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Hi Angelina,

I've seen the use of Alias in similar situations, my guess is, even though Miguel Ruiz is listed as an hijo de padres no conocidos, that he most likely knew who his father was and that he descended from the Carrillo family, which would explain his children adopting that name.

Chris

From: "angelina@markleweb.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias

Juan Carrillo,

I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…

The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the above record. It also states that the parentage was unknown.

Hopefully someone in the group will have a better understanding of the term “alias” in Spanish records.

-Angelina Markle-

I have found that sometimes the "alias" refers to the surname of a step-father or step-mother or adoptive parents

> From: angelina@markleweb.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:14:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> Juan Carrillo,
>
> I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…
>
> The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the above record. It also states that the parentage was unknown.
>
> Hopefully someone in the group will have a better understanding of the term “alias” in Spanish records.
>
> -Angelina Markle-

My husband said that "Dolores" means "sorrows", as in Maria de los Dolores (Mary of Sorrows), the Virgin Mary mourning for her Son. I also have found that an "alias" refers sometimes to the surname of a step-parent or adoptive parent.

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:19:02 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> It just means he also used the name Carrillo too. I've seen it on other
> records before. It doesn't mean anything. He's probably using his mother's
> last name. his mother Maria de los Dolores is listed as Española but de los
> Dolores isn't a last name, so her name is probably Carrillo.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Juan Carrillo
> wrote:
>
> > I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
> > this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
> > Español to Maria Catharina Bueno. For over two hundred years Carrillo has
> > been the family name, now this appears. Does the word alias mean the same
> > then as today. Does it have other meanings. Pedro and Catharina went on to
> > have two sons carrying the name Carrillo Bueno. Should I now view the Ruiz
> > lineage from this point on into the past as my lineage? Am I reading and
> > translating this correctly? Can anyone help address my confusion? Thanks
> > Juan Manuel Carrillo
> >
> > Here is the link to the document:
> >
> > http://interactive.ancestry.com/61089/MM9.3.1_2FTH-1-18578-30740-31/135…
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> Danny C. Alonso

Magdalena Gil de Lara, mencionada en la magna obra Retoños de España Tomo VII pag. 260 aparece como hija de Elvira Gil de Lara y Juan Sánchez de Figueroa Peninsular originario de Toledo.

Nacida hacia 1569; casada en Lagos el 2 de junio de 1586 con Diego Frausto d'Aponte, viudo de Anna de Torres(quien fue hija de Andrés de Lucio, minero de Guanajuato, y quien falleció en Silao en mayo de 1586.)Perteneciente Frausto, "a la mas noble y principal familia de Campomayor en Portugal"; hijo de Alvaro Frausto, que murió en guerra con los indios y de Catalina Diáz. (Retoños de España Tomo VII pag. 260).

Saludos

Adrián Márquez

From Familysearch

Maria De La Luz Bailey
mentioned in the record of Pedro Raigoza and Maria De La Luz Bailey
Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Dec 1924
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Father's Name Pedro L Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Maria De La Luz Bailey
Spouse's Age 26
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Spouse's Father's Name Evaristo Bailey
Spouse's Mother's Name Paz Navarro
Page 61

Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 07 May 1927
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Father's Name Pedro Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Carlota Gomez
Spouse's Age 31
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1896
Spouse's Father's Name Anastacio Gomez
Spouse's Mother's Name Refugio Gavaleta
Page 168

From Familysearch

Maria De La Luz Bailey
mentioned in the record of Pedro Raigoza and Maria De La Luz Bailey
Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Dec 1924
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Father's Name Pedro L Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Maria De La Luz Bailey
Spouse's Age 26
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Spouse's Father's Name Evaristo Bailey
Spouse's Mother's Name Paz Navarro
Page 61

Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 07 May 1927
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Father's Name Pedro Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Carlota Gomez
Spouse's Age 31
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1896
Spouse's Father's Name Anastacio Gomez
Spouse's Mother's Name Refugio Gavaleta
Page 168

Poor lady.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 19, 2016, at 21:50, rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> The mom's name is Reducinda. The dot for the i is a little early. Rosalinda
>

The parents seem to be Calisto? Garcia and Reducinda (Rudecinda?) Espinosa.

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Austin,

I see. Well I think I'm going to have to join the search then! Ill post if I find anything.

Alex

Austin

Do you know of any documents tying Gertrudis or Diego to their parents? I'm trying to confirm who they are right now.

Thank you
Alex

Para agregar un poco de información.

María Ponce de León y Medina casó alrededor de 15 de enero 1685 con Pedro de Jáuregui y Chávez hijo de Juan-Francisco de Jáuregui & Josepha de Chávez y Siordia
IM https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23674-31?cc=1804458&wc…

Diego Ponce y Medina casó el 1 de febrero 1712 con Josefa de Jáuregui y Paez hija de Leonardo de Jáuregui y Chávez y de Gerónima de Paez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51418-13?cc=1410092&wc…

María Gertrudis Ponce de León casó el 8 de septiembre 1715 con Eligio de Jáuregui y Chávez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-52192-16?cc=1804458&wc…

Esta Gertrudis no debería ser la que bautizaron 16 Jan 1683 porque bautizaron su ultima hija, Nicolasa de la Cruz, el 19 de mayo 1746 dando la fecha de nacimiento de alrededor de 1700 o después.

Ese Eligio casó el 14 de febrero 1695 con Anna de Sepúlveda y Carbajal. Tuvieron a otro hijo llamada Eligio que casó con María de la Concepción Ponce el 3 de mayo 1732 en Aguascalientes. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11756-163094-74?cc=1502404…

Armando

Hi Danny
I just saw your subject. As for yourself how did you discover what type of Amerindian you carry in your lineage. I was very surprised when I received my DNA and the Spanish percentage came back low. Especially with the surname that I carry so I assumed it would be higher. I am trying to educate myself on how to understand my DNA readings especially on Gedmatch. I always knew my paternal grandmother was Amerindian just never imaged how much she was and I am not sure about my maternal side since they never spoke of it. Just proves that just because you carry a Spanish last name doesn't guarantee your bloodline is 100%. I am trying to obtain as much information I can from my living elders so hopefully in time I can have more of clear picture of my DNA. I am very happy to be discovering more of where I came from and truly proud of my ethnicity.

Thanks

Rosario Tiscareno

I agree. Thanks Mary Lou, each of your updates to the dropbox have been extremely helpful to my research.

Chris

Great job primo Estevan, you set a great example in your attention to
details such as citing your sources, checking, double checking and triple
checking and sharing your findings with those who want and need to know.

My hat off to you and your extreme patience and diligence!!

Felicidades por tu gran esfuerzo y tus grandes logros.

Alicia

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:52 PM, wrote:

> Hello everyone, it's me again. Sorry to be posting so much lately, but it's
> summer and this year I have been researching and documenting the various
> sources in one of my Gutiérrez Rubio and González de Hermosillo lines. My
> summer project began by searching through the early burials of San Juan de
> los Lagos, which sifted over to Jalostotitlán. I was, and still kind of am,
> "old school, I had researched these years ago on Microfilms way back when
> you
> had to actually go to a Family History Center and order them from Salt Lake
> City and were available for only a couple of weeks, unless you renewed them
> long-term. I would record dates, names, places, and sources, but for the
> volume of Microfilms and towns and years, but I couldn't get all the copies
> of everything I wanted. But since the Microfilms were made available online
> some years back, I have been busy researching in a myriad of towns
> gathering
> sources, when I have time on vacation. Since these are some of the most
> prominent patriarchal lines in Los Altos, I figured lots of you would
> appreciate this info. ____________________________________________________
> I'm pretty sure that all of you serious Alteño genealogists have this
> source
> in your notes already, but I thought it would be nice to share anyway. On 6
> May 1682, our direct ancestor, and his brother the priest, signed in their
> own hand at the bottom of the left-hand side page..."Francisco Gutiérrez
> Rubio y Hermosillo". And directly to the left is the signature of his
> brother, el Bachiller Lázaro Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (he appears in the
> 1649 and 1650 Padrones). Two brothers' signatures side by side. Very cool.
> Below is a transcription of his statement and the source. [Image 80 of 614]
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-28727-41?cc=1874591&wc…
> Declaración y firma de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo - 6 Nov 1682,
> La Hacienda de Mezcala, Zapotlanejo "En la dha Hazienda de Mexcala Jur.ón
> de
> tZapotlán en los dhos seis días del mes de Noviembre de mill y seiscientos
> y ochenta y dos años; para la informazión que offrece el dho Benito Muños
> de la barva press.tó ante mí, por ttestigo a Francisco Gutiérrez de
> Hermosillo Vez.o desta dha Jur.ón al qual rezeví Juram.to que lo que
> supiere y le fuere preguntado diga; so cargo del qual prometió decir V.d
> fuele preguntado si conoçe al dho Benito Muños de la Barva y a Estephanía
> de Quesada; si save que sean libres y solteros para poder contraher el
> matrimonio que pretenden; si save que ayan echo Votos de castidad o
> rreligión; o sean cassados; o ayan dado palabra de cassam.to; o sean
> parientes affines o consanguíneos lo diga; si save qual sea la causa por
> que
> pretenden dispensaçión de amonestaciones; y si la dha estephanía de
> quesada es Vez.a de más a.s de S.n Juan a ttodo lo qual responde y diçe que
> conoçe a los sus dhos por que los vido naçer y criar y que save no ser
> parientes por ninguna vía ni manera; ni save aigan hecho voto de rreligión
> o de castidad, ni ser parientes por ningún camino y que la causa de pedir y
> supp.car as su illustrísima dispense en las Vanas es por rezelo de que no
> quieren sus hermanos por detrimento de sus personas; so cargo del Juram.to
> que hiço a Dios N. S.r y a la señal de la S.ta cruz diçe ser esta la Ver.d
> de lo que dho ttiene en que se affirmó y rratificó y ser el dho Benito
> Muños de la barva su primo hermano deste tt.o no por esso dexó de deçir la
> V.d en ttodo lo que dho ttiene declaró ser de edad de sesenta y ocho años
> pocos más, y lo firmó conmigo dho Juez = . . . B.r Lázaro Gutiérrez de
> hermozillo (rúbrica) . . . Fran.co gutiérres rubio de hermosillo (rúbrica)
> . . . Ante mí Fran.co Agúndiz (rúbrica) N.o N.do" A base de la edad de
> poco más de 68 años de edad que declara en la fecha de 6 de noviembre de
> 1682 (1682-68=1614), se puede calcular que nació en 1614 o antes. Es
> razonable entonces deducir que nació razonablemente entre 1610 y 1614.
> Francisco menciona que es primo hermano del pretenso Benito Muñoz de la
> Barba. El padre de Francisco y la madre de Benito eran hermanos.
> Simplifiqué
> aquí su parentesco: Tronco . . . . . . . . [Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio I &
> Ana González Florida I] . . . . . . . [Miguel Gutiérrez Rubio] . . . . . .
> . . .1 . . . . [Catalina González de la Reguera] . . . . . . . [+Leonor de
> Hermosillo] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [+Francisco Muñoz de la Barba] .
> .
> Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo . . 2 . . . . . . . Benito Muñoz de
> la Barba Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979,
> Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1689-1698, 1796 [Image 80
> of 614]
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-28727-41?cc=1874591&wc…
> ________________________________________________ Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio
> y
> Hermosillo (aka Francisco Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, Francisco Gutiérrez
> Rubio, or just Francisco Gutiérrez), born ca. 1610-1614, married to Juana
> de
> Lomelín are also my ancestors. I descend from their daughter Leonor de
> Hermosillo, married ca. 1676, to Juan de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza. And
> for
> those of you who like signatures, I also have in my notes the signature of
> Juan de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza, son-in-law of Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio
> y Hermosillo. Juan de la Mora’s signature is on the left page, and as added
> bonus, on the right page is the signature of Lucas Romero de Chávez,
> husband
> of Petronila González de Hermosillo (daughter of Juan González de
> Hermosillo III, and niece of Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo). Lucas
> Romero is precisely the one person in world history after whom Mezcala de
> los
> Romero was named. It was Lucas…he was “THE” Romero!!! Firmas de Juan de
> la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza & Lucas Romero de Chávez - 12 Diciembre 1708,
> Tepatitlán
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-2683-12?cc=1874591&wc=…
> (I try to maintain very detailed notes now.) Well primos, I hope this is
> helpful to you all. SFHL
>

Steven

I have only just started digesting all of this information. I have a few questions.

In the image you posted above pertaining to Benito Munoz de la Barba and Estefania Quesada, Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, 60 years old (1622), and Pedro Gutierrez, 59 years old (1623), both state that Catalina Gonzalez is their aunt. Im guessing Juan and Pedro are the children of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Ana Gonzalez Florida. Would that make Catalina Gonzalez the sister of Ana Gonzalez Florida and Miguel Gutierrez (m Leonor Hermosillo).

I also see that you say Pedro Gutierrez is the son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and his sister in law. I am very interested in any information you have regarding Pedro as I am a direct descendant of everyone in this post ha!

Sarod,

how do you look up that ID? where do you put that number, I've never known
how to look up ID on family search.

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:00 PM, wrote:

> Welcome. I have been mapping out the Tiscarenos, Rodriguez, Contreras for
> the
> last year. If you go to www.Familysearch.org and look up the following ID
> L6V7-36Z ​ for encarnacion you will find Encarnacion Tiscareno to Captain
> Juan Tiscareno de Molina in the 1600. After that the records on
> Familysearch
> become murky because many people add their knowledge of the these famous
> people and many do not agree on who belongs to whom. There are a few snags
> that need to be cleared because in the 1730 there are several Antonio's,
> records that don't match with a deceased parent and possibly two same name
> women married to different name husbands during the same period who the
> husbands are married to two sisters and one who had 3 wives etc. There
> needs
> more research and there are records for Encarnacion to be merged.
>

Rosario,

Im not familiar with the actual people you mentioned but I have several
ancestors with the same last names so your ancestors and my ancestors are
proably connected at some point. I checked to see if your ancestors are on
the Wikitree, but they're not. although I can add them if you want and see
where they connect to mine. i was wondering if you know how to use
familysearch.org to look up your ancestors? cause I checked and your
ancestors are there, I think you shoud be able to go back several
generations. If you look up your great grandparents Encarnacion Tiscareño
and Maria Natividad Tirado on https://familysearch.org/search/ you'll see
that Encarnacion Tiscareno and Maria Natividad Tirado were married on
October 30, 1869.

To find the marriage record may take a little time the firs time you look,
but it gets easier. it probably helps if you can read cursive which I
couldn't at first, but now I can. my mom said they used to teach it in
school but we never really learned it, so it use to take me hours to find
one record but now I can usually find a record in a few minutes.

I have all the locations bookmarked, but if your there for the first time
lookin for the marriage of Encarnacion Tiscareño and Maria Natividad
Tirado, once your on https://familysearch.org/search/ you look under
Research By Location and click on the part of the map where Mexico is. then
click on Aguascalientes. When your there click on Show all 7 Collections
near the bottom. Then click on Mexico, Aguascalientes, Catholic Church
Records, 1620-1962, then towards the bottom click on Browse through 618,532
images, then under City or Town, click on Aguascalientes. Then under
Parish, click on Señor del Encino, although normally, you most likely will
usually click on Asunción de María, that's the more common one. then once
you're on Señor del Encino, you just look in Matrimonios for where your
1869 marriage will be and it most likely will be in Matrimonios 1854-1871,
which it is.

and then here is your record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DM7-QM8

It will tell you that Encarnacion Tiscareño is the son of Juan Tiscareño
and Luciana Esparza and Maria Natividad Tirado is the daughter of Marcelino
Tirado and Juana Macias. So now that you know Encarnacions parents are Juan
Tiscareño an Luciana Esparza, you now look for there marriage and its may
13 1846 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes which is in the other parish of Asunción
de María. then you look for where the 1846 marriage is in the Matrimonios
and it'll be in Matrimonios 1846-1853 and the you just look for your date
and here's the record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6F69-823

And there youll see that Juan Tiscareño is the son of Pedro Tiscareño and
Gertrudis Maldonado and Luciana Esparza is the daughter of Toribio
Esparza and Feliciana Rangel. And then you look for those records.

if you look up your other great grandparents Ynes Rodriguez and Maria
Cleofas Duron youll see that they were married feb 15 1882. and that record
will show you that Ynes Rodriguez is the son of Maximo Rodriguez and
Basilia Duron and that Maria Cleofas Duron is the daughter of Manuel Duron
and Nicolasa Reyes. and here is the record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRZS-KCY

It's pretty easy . you just keep doing that until you run out of records or
ancestors. I don't really read Spanish but im getting better, so if you
need any help I can still proably help you find the record, so let me know
if you need any help.

Danny C. Alonso

Rosario,

I added your ancestors you mentioned onto the Wikitree. You linked in with
several of my relatives on the Tiscareño side. Here is the link:

http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Tiscareño-Family-Tree-65

Just click on a name. I didn't get a chance to add all the siblings. The
sources are on the bottom, just click on the image number to see the actual
records.

Danny C. Alonso