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I too have seen similar errors so it certainly sounds plausible that you have found the baptism record for Teodoro de Alva. It may help to expand your search to include records for Teodoro's siblings, cousins and other relatives which may provide additional substantiating facts. As to "how likely" that these are your ancestors, you may want to consider taking a genealogical autosomal DNA test which will better quantify if you are on the right track. If your Teodoro is the son of Anastasio de Alva and Mariana Gonzalez then your test results should show several matches with me. Based on what I've found, Anastasio de Alva's paternal grandparents Jose Rafael de Alva and Maria Gertrudis de Cuellar are my 5th great grand parents. On Anastasio's maternal side, his mother's (Feliciana Jaime) maternal grand parents Manuel Victoriano Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Juana Maria de los Dolores Lozano are my 5th great grand parents, and both sets of Feliciana's paternal great grand parents, Florentino Jaime & Elena de Alva Bocanegra and Joaquin de Miramontes & Maria Josefa de Trillo, are also my direct ancestors.

Buena suerte!
Austin Perez

There is a marriage record of Maria Antonia Macias Valades and Jose Antonio Zermeño in Lagos de Moreno 13 June 1768 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-2478-50?cc=1874591&wc=…

Juan Valades and María Rebollo also had Andrea Valades

Andrea Valades married Felipe de Trillo and some of her children used the surname Macias Valades.

The death of her daughter Maria de Trillo has her mother as Andrea Macias Valades.

The records of información matrimonial for her children after 1700 also have her has Andrea Macias Valades.

A dispensa for her daughter Felipa de Trillo states that Andrea Valades was the granddaughter of an india. That means that the mother of Juan Valades was an indian because her maternal grandmother was María López de Fuenllana the daughter of Mateo González de Ruvalcaba y López de Fuenllana and Gerónima Velásquez de Morales. It also says that Felipe de Trillo passed as Spanish even though he was the son of an español and an india.

The dispensa is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-16873-14

There are two different dispensas that prove that Maria Rebollo was the daughter of Domingo Rebollo and María López de Fuenllana.

The first was posted by Salvador Cabral Valdes

"Dos impedimentos de tercer grado de consanguinidad: Joseph Manuel Macías Valadés (38) viudo de Agueda Beltrán de la Cueva, sepultada en Zacatecas, h.l. Juan Valadés y Maria Romo. Eugenia de Villalobos (21), originaria de Teocaltiche, h.l. Nicolás de Villalobos (+) e Ysabel Romo.

(Mateo González de Ruvalcaba md 1. Gerónima Morales)
|
(María López, married twice:)
(1) Ags. 9 Oct 1625, Domingo Rebollo) (2) Diego Carrillo de Sandi)
María Rebollo---------------(1/2 sibs)---------- Teresa Carrillo
(md 1. Juan Valadés) (md Nicolás de Villalobos, Teoc. 27 Apr 1664)
Juan Valadés-------------------- 2---------------- Nicolás de Villalobos
(md Maria Romo, Ags 4 Feb 1690) (md Isabel Romo de Vivar)
el pretenso----------------------- 3---------------- la pretensa

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16465 página 2
Dispensa de tercero grado de consanguinidad por dos lineas 12 Mar 1734

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-37591-7?cc=1874591&wc=…

The second is the following -

"Mateo de Villalobos ...juzga son parientes los pretensos dentro de cuarto grado cuya relación no es sabida ni notoria a cause de que Da Magdalena de Villalobos madre del pretenso fue expuesta en la casa del que declara [Mateo de Villalobos] y así se ha reputado por de padres no conocidos pero que el lacrio en su misma casa temiendola y reputandola por hija de Dn Miguel de Villalobos su hermano y en este caso tienen el parentesco referido a causa de descender los pretensos de dos hermanos que lo fueron Da María Rebollo y Da Antonia Carrillo. De la primera fue hija Da Andrea Macias Valadez y de esta Dn Onofre de Trillo y de este Da Teresa de Trillo pretensa. De la segunda Da Antonia Carrillo fue hijo Dn Miguel de Villalobos que es el que juzga padre de Da Magdalena de Villalobos y esta tuvo por hijo a Franscico Javier Bustos y Santos que es el pretenso"

[Tronco María López de Fuenllana]
Maria Rebollo............1o...Antonia Carrillo
Andrea Macias Valadez....2o...Miguel de Villalobos
Onofre de Trillo.........3o...Magdalena de Villalobos
Teresa de Trillo.........4o...Francisco Javier de Bustos

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18428-19973-5?cc=1874591&wc=…

Armando

Joseph

There appear to be problems with the website. Whenever I go to a page there is a list of error messages near the top of the window. This is just an example:

warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/lafamilia/nuestrosranchos.org/sites/all/modules/mailhandler/mailhandler.module on line 141.
warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/lafamilia/nuestrosranchos.org/sites/all/modules/mailhandler/mailhandler.module on line 855.

The list of errors varies with each page.

The search function does not work, as well.

I've accessed the webesite on two different platforms (PC with Windows Vista and iPad) with the same results.

I am getting the mailing list e-mails with no problem.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

did this guy live near jerez?

Did you happen to notice who was the wife of Sebastián Velásquez?

Stuart Armstrong

Rectificacion : OJO

Is ESPURIO not ESPURCO

Definición de hijo espurio
Definición de hijo espurio - 07/04/2011

adj. Bastardo.

Hijo ilegítimo. Hijo nacido fuera del matrimonio.

También se aplicaba al hijo que ha nacido de una mujer que no es la esposa de su padre.

* Tiene un uso muy despectivo.

http://www.definiciones-de.com/Definicion/de/hijo_espurio.php

:) Julieta Martha

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Nino espurco

Can someone help me with this term: "niño espurco"

I've seen niño natural, legítimo, adulterino & incestuoso, but never espurco.
Any ideas?

Andelmo Perez

It means illegitimate son.

On 11/8/2014 11:47 PM, apozolco@msn.com wrote:
> Can someone help me with this term: "niño espurco"
>
> I've seen niño natural, legítimo, adulterino & incestuoso, but never
> espurco.
> Any ideas?
>
> Andelmo Perez

Can you share where you found the will of Rodrigo Del Rio Y Loza.. I have no wife or family for him but also has Mateo Del Rio Y Loza as the child of Gaspar Del Rio Y Loza and Maria. I do have whatever information I have on them on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to find what I have that you might be interested in.I try to put my sources but darn if I don't have one for Mateo!
Linda Castanon-Long

Verónica,
El Valle de Huejúcar comprendía el territorio entre los cuatro puntos del valle que son: Tabasco (Mecatabasco o Villa del Refugio), Huanusco, Jalpa, Calvillo (San José) y el Ojocaliente. Esta área es una de mis especialidades y sé que es una área medio intenso para estudiar la genealogía. Las familias se transladaban frecuentemente entre Calvillo, Tabasco, etc o por lo menos bautizaban sus hijos en parroquias diferentes. La parroquia de Mecatabasco fue fundada en 1747. Antes de ese año, la parroquia de Mecatabasco pertenecía a la jurisdición de Juchipila como consta en unos registros del Ramo Civil de la Real Audencia de Guadalajara.
Tendrás que revisar todos los registros de Calvillo y Tabasco, para buscar pistas a cuanto esta línea genealógica. No te quiero desanimar, mas muchas veces la líneas terminan, a menos que fueron españoles. Si es el caso tendrás una mejor oportunidad para continuar trazando tus líneas. El valle de Huejúcar es el nombre del valle y no el pueblo de San José de Calvillo.
Se necesitas ayuda en algo, por favor comunicate conmigo. Mi acervo incluye muchas de las familias españolas de esta región.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Hi all--

Looking at the comments to the postings on the Nieto family, I wonder if my ancestor, Jose Manuel Francisco Nieto, who married Maria Rafaela Herrera in Pinos in 1754, descends from the same Nieto family. His parents are Joseph Nieto Corona and Maria de Mendosa y Balberde. In his marriage record, Jose Manuel Francisco is noted having been born in Pinzandaro, Michocan (I can't seem to locate records for this hacienda).

Does anyone recognize my ancestors?

Rosalinda

Bill,
Maria Castañeda, married to Pedro Nieto (Neto), is the daughter of Nicolas Castañeda and Antonia Vargas Moriano. Pedro is the son of Pedro Nieto y Josefa Corona. Their marriage information is dated June 1 1671 in Pinos, Zacatecas (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…) and married June 24 1671 also in Pinos. The witnesses state that they are not related. If they were via Jacinta Sotomayor (Nieto), such relationship should have at the 5th degree or higher.

Sincerely

Jaime

Bill-

The Inf. Matrimonial for Pedro Nieto (el mozo) and Maria Castaneda is at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…

This record states in part:

Pedro Nieto hijo legitimo de Pedro Nieto, ya difunto, y de doña Josefa Corona, españoles...María de Castañeda española criolla del Real y Minas de la Pendencia hija legitima de Nicolás de Castañeda y de Ana de Vargas, españoles

Regards
Austin Perez

If you have a digital camera, take it with you and you can take photos of
each page that's of interest to you. The great thing about photographs is
that if you have photo editing software on your computer, you can come home
and edit them for clarity and enlarge or decrease, crop and save only the
sections that are of interest to you. It's a great way of saving a record.
What I have done is take post it's with me and write the film #, and the
pertinent information about the film and put the post it next to the record
and when you photograph the record, you also photograph the post it with
the traceability information on it and you have a method for identifying
the record.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:26 PM, wrote:

> Today, I was looking at the microfilm of “Escrituras 1691 – 1638”
> Microfilm No. 0169054 at the LDS Family History Center.
>
> I only got through 1/4 of the film or 292 pages. The pages are not
> numbered so I manually kept track on what page I am on so I can quickly get
> to there if I want to make copies of certain pages.
>
> I got to year 1692 and saw Zacatecas, mention almost all the time. But I
> was reading a lot on the “conflict” de Juan Ambrosio Martin vs B D(Don?)
> Nicolas Medrano. A denuncio. It seems like there was some kind of
> conflict over the minas of “Concepcion” and “Vetagrande.” The pages
> always started out with “En La Ciudad Zacatecas ante La Justicia” for
> instance. Other names I read were “Doctor Don Ignacio De Acevedo y
> Guzman” “Juan Antonio Perez De Banos (Barrios?). A line noted, “Los
> ricos metals que lluebaban los duenos de la mina Concepcion.” “La Mina
> Del Fern? Al Feres” “En La Ciudad Zacatecas 8 de Junio 1692 ante N?
> Vicario Juez, parecio Joseph De Arsinico Mulatto Libre vez De La Veta
> Grande.” “Le costaron 29 del corriente sobre pleito de la minas del
> eterno Veta Grande.”
>
> In another line it said, “Parecio El Capp Don Josoe Gato.” It seems
> like a trail at the Juez of the City of Zacatecas was going on over the
> owners of the mines of Concepcion and Vetagrande. And they had testimonies
> (testimonies) by several people. Another line said, “Ante del referida
> a robar las metals de la mina de Concepcion entre los cuales se llebaron un
> testigo una barra de seis pcony que se abia quedado dentro la mina.”
> Another name mentioned is “Mateo De Bonilla.” Then it mentioned
> “Inquisition” and “Execucion.”
>
> On page 292 I came across “La Hacienda De Palomas” de la jurisdiction de
> “Juichipila” in the year 1695. I was stunned because it gave a very
> detailed description of the properties (Palomas, Sienega, Ojo Del
> Carretero y La Parada), the house with such detail such as the doors,
> paintings, cadenas, llaves, plata de china, etc. for the next two
> pages! Then following that is the Escrituras with the “Sello of Terced”
> The herraderos are “Medina Herrera” I could have made copies but the
> only copier/scanner was occupied by someone until closing time. I am
> looking for “Rancho Palmitos” of Minillas, Mezquitic, that my GGGGGGG
> Grandfather Antonio Madera owned in 1698. That is my main interest and I
> feel like I am getting close. But the whole microfilm is so interesting to
> read that if I get stuck reading all of it I would take a long time to get
> to 1698 where supposedly there are Escrituras of what my GGGGGGG
> Grandfather owned.
> Now I have to wait until Wednesday night when when the LDS Family History
> Center is open or next Saturday during the day

Thank You for posting and sharing, I know it took time and patience.

Ruben