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Cortes and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

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Peggy
The only Mojarra we have is Juana Maria Mojarra b.
Coculiten, Zac  m. 9 Mar 1751doc to Jsph Geronimo Sandoval in
Tlaltenango.  They had a daughter Antonia Secilia SANDOVAL Moxarra, yes
spelled with an 'x'.  Antonia was b. 8 Dec 1755 in Tlaltenango. 
Joseph was married again 27 Dec 1770 doc in Totatiche, Jalisco, so Juana Maria
probably died before 1770.  It looks like we are about 50 years further
back than your line. 
Hopefully we will eventually connect
 
Kitty


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy
Delgado
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:52 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Cortes and Sandoval,
Tlaltenango, Zac

Rich
and Kitty, do you have any more "Mojarra" lines in Tlaltenango?  I have
one:
Silverio Mojarro married to Juliana Estrada.  The date, I don't
know, but they had a child, a girl, named Maria de las Nieves Mojarro, born on
08/13/1813.
My
"Mojarra" connection kinds of faded with Silverio
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Mojarro/Estrada Families

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Angie,
once again you have come through for me!  I had Maria de las Nieves info
already, but never could find the siblings!  Thanks thanks
thanks~~~
 
 Thanks 
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Peggy,

I took at look at
familysearch.org site and found some information
for you.

Here is
the Christening extract for Maria de las Nieves Mojarro:

Maria de Las
Nieves
  Sex:
F

Event(s):
Christening: 16 Aug 1813  Place: Tlaltenango de
Sanchez Roman,
Zacatecas, Mexico

Parents:
  Father:
Silverio MOJARRO
  Mother: Juliana
ESTRADA

Grandparents:
  Father's Father: Juan MOJARRO
 
Father's Mother: Maria Dolores GONZALES
  Mother's Father: Jose
ESTRADA
  Mother's Mother: Juana Maria

Source
Information:
  Batch Number: C607124
  Source Dates: 1809 -
1818
  Film or Fiche Number: 443811
 

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"tarayata"

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Hi, Marge,
 
Yes, at first I thought "tarayata" was an Indian tribe because it does sound like "taraumara".
 
Emilie
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Margarita Vallazza
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] "tarayata"
 
Don't forget the "tara" in Taraumara (sp?) Indians in Chihuahua. 
Memarge:)



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Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave

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Irma, yes, well said.  Oh, I forgot to say that my Spanish friend did allude to the fact that when the Moors and Jews were kicked out of Spain, Spain went to pot.  When I asked her how so, she said the Jews and Arabs were advanced civilizations who founded the universities in Spain, etc.  And a funny thing happened to her (well, she and I thought it funny at the time):  we went into a gift shop up here in Bremerton WA once to window shop their Peruvian things, and it was run by an obvious descendant of the Incas.  When he heard my friend's fancy Castilian accent, he really lit into her!  He started off with "Oh, so you are Espanola.  Do you know what your people did to mine?"  He proceeded to tell her off royally, listing all the injuries the conquistadores had heaped on his people.  She just said simply, "Well, I personally did not do those things", but he kept on and not only suggested that an apology from her people was in order, but that they should make restitution.  I guess he
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Mojarro/Estrada Families

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Peggy,

I took at look at familysearch.org site and found some information 
for you.

Here is the Christening extract for Maria de las Nieves Mojarro: 

Maria de Las Nieves 
  Sex: F

Event(s):
 Christening: 16 Aug 1813  Place: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

Parents:
  Father: Silverio MOJARRO
  Mother: Juliana ESTRADA

Grandparents:
  Father's Father: Juan MOJARRO
  Father's Mother: Maria Dolores GONZALES
  Mother's Father: Jose ESTRADA
  Mother's Mother: Juana Maria

Source Information:
  Batch Number: C607124
  Source Dates: 1809 - 1818
  Film or Fiche Number: 443811
  Collection Details: Catolica

Here are some more Mojarro Estrada children, ie siblings to Maria 
Nieves:

+Jose Paulin MOJARRO NUNES
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 22 Jun 1817 Tlaltenango de Sanchez 
Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
 
+MARIA CLEMENCIA MOJARRO ESTRADA
Gender: Female Christening: 23 NOV 1819 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

+JUAN JOSE MOJARRO ESTRADA
Gender
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Miscegenagtion and Racism: The Afro-Mexican in Colonial Mexico; copyright by Ellen Simms ellensimms@...

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Subject: Miscegenagtion and Racism: The Afro-Mexican in Colonial
Mexico; copyright by Ellen Simms ellensimms@...
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:40:40 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
To: makas@...









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Subject: Re: Reponse
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:26:31 +0000
From: Ellen Simms
To: makas@...




Dear Joseph:

Saludos. Although you will have many people of color (Arabs, Blacks
(yes, believe it or not), Hispanics, Asians, Indians, and
Aborigines) admit their mixed racial background (identifying with 
anyone or cominbation of Indian, Semite, Oriental, and White groups),
not too many embrace, let alone acknowledge their Black heritage. Good
for you and your group.

I would be honored if you post the
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Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave

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 Hi, Irma,
 
Yes, my "friend" is the product of a Catholic girl's school in Pamplona.  So that tells you something.  Her brothers, who unlike girls in Spain at the time, received higher educations and are engineers, etc. and are more worldly, have gone to school and worked in Mexico.  She has never been there, yet when my husband would break out into a popular Mexican song, she started to sing along with him.  When  I asked her how she knew the song, she said that Mexican songs and movies have always been very popular in Spain.  Her husband, who is a Mestizo, and whose father, like mine, was also born in Jerez, Zac. is as prejudiced as she.  More so, I think, since she married him even though he was from a different race and country.  He probably wanted to married up; she really married down.  (She gave up a prominent social position in Spain to marry an American serviceman--maybe she felt adventurous).  He even told me he never wanted to marry a dark-skinned person.  Their kids look
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Cortes and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

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Rich
and Kitty, do you have any more "Mojarra" lines in Tlaltenango?  I have
one:
Silverio Mojarro married to Juliana Estrada.  The date, I don't
know, but they had a child, a girl, named Maria de las Nieves Mojarro, born on
08/13/1813.
My
"Mojarra" connection kinds of faded with Silverio/Juliana and I haven't found
any more information on them, however I haven't searched in ernest,
either.
 
Thanks!
Peggy
Delgado
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Subject: [ranchos] Cortes and Sandoval,
Tlaltenango, Zac

Jose Munoz, 
check out the files section for Rich and Kitty Cortez
under SANDOVAL, Francisco.    We also have Cortes and Sandoval in
the Tlaltenango area.   Do we have a connection with your
wife?
 

2. Pedro SANDOVAL  (Francisco de).

Pedro
married2  (1) Juana
CORTES  daughter of Juan
CORTES and Maria

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"tarayata"

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Joseph,
 
NO, my mother was not from South America.  She was a "manita" from New Mexico, part of the 500-year-old gene pool from Juarez-New Mexico.  (That is why I joined your Ciudad-Juarez group). They are a breed all their own, since they were isolated in the northern reaches of the Spanish Mexican empire. They spoke Spanish with their own 16th century dialect, etc, until my mother's generation, and besides having Piro-Manso-Tewa blood, they were thought to be Sephardic Jews in hiding.
 
All I can think of is that being of Basque descendancy from Zacatecas, my father's people may have used an old Basque word that was taken to South America by other Basque immigrants to other parts of the New World.  I will post messages to both the Peruvian website and the  Spanish Basque website and ask about the word "tarayata".  One strange thing---I have recently begun to get unsolicitated e-mails from the Basque Separatists in Spain.  I think they have trolled the internet and contacted everyone
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Why we search for our roots! Porque buscamos nuestros ancestros

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Good information.

If you have ever read a list of the first settlers
that the Spanish sent, you'll see a cross section of
many Europeans, north Africans, and some Asians
(mostly Filipinos), that evenly mixed together and
with the local inhabitants (Indians).

We are a composite of many peoples.

Alberto.

--- Victor Villarreal  wrote:

> I join you, Alicia, in welcoming Joseph's "tocayo"
> José.
> 
> I don't know if you've heard this one, which I
> learned thru a 
> friend.  Paraphrasing Forrest Gump's memorable
> quote: "life is like a 
> box of chocolates...", our new quote is "Mexican
> genealogy is like a 
> big bowl of tamales, you never know what you're
> gonna get".  You may 
> pull out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
> coconut, sugar and 
> raisins.....
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo
>  wrote:
> > So well put Jose Munoz and welcome to this group.
> >  
> > I believe that anyone who is searching for their
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