Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave
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I had never heard it said gato por oso meaning a cat disguised as a bear. Rather I have always heard it and used as gato por liebre, meaning a cat in the guise of a hare. Different animal, same meaning.
Alicia
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So, Joseph, I couldn't make out a thing on your DNA results. I guess I am a surumata. So, are you in the haplogroup for African-Black or for Moroccan-Berber? What other haplogroups are you in? All those numbers scared me. How could I ever explain such a thing to my cousin? Maybe the researchers are handing us a gato por oso?
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Yndio Genizaro
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Based on the little I have read, "genizaro" (accent on i) is derived from the word Janizary. That particular word has many different spellings. It originally meant an infantryman in the Turkish army in the Middle Ages. The Spanish royal academy's dictionary says that the word is used to denote any type of racially mixed person. I have come across the word in the LDS records for la Villa de Guadalupe in El Paso del Norte. The Spanish used it to denote a person who had been "rescued" from the Mohammedan faith and been made a christian. In Nuevo Mexico the Spanish used the term when referring to abducted indigenous children who had been baptized. The barbarians from Europe would invade communities which they believed were inhabited by "apaches". The good christian citizens would kidnap children (murdering their families if they objected) and take them home to be baptized. The children of course would be given a "better life" as servants or slaves of their captors. I have two
Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave
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There's a folder for it in Ranchos 2. I found a book that gave a little background and some pictures. Here's the link, and definitely blow up the link of the page of classifications so it's readable:
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I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this stuff called menopause - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote was a term used to describe the mixed blood of Indians and African.
There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it here?) that described the various labels placed on the mixture of "races" during the early part of the conquest, when race delineation was seen as important by the Spanish. I'll keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime, perhaps someone else on the board has easy access to it for reference?
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this stuff called menopause - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote was a term used to describe the mixed blood of Indians and African. There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it here?) that described the various labels placed on the mixture of "races" during the early part of the conquest, when race delineation was seen as important by the Spanish. I'll keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime, perhaps someone else on the board has easy access to it for reference? Esperanza
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So, Joseph, I couldn't make out a thing on your DNA results. I guess I am a surumata. So, are you in the haplogroup for African-Black or for Moroccan-Berber? What other haplogroups are you in? All those numbers scared me. How could I ever explain such a thing to my cousin? Maybe the researchers are handing us a gato por oso? Emilie Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com |
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In matters of race in the church records from Mexico I don't think the people being recorded had any idea what was being put in the record for nationality. I have in one family, Mejia from the District of Jerez, 5 children with 4 different nationalities listed. Mother is listed as Espanol, father is listed as Indio. Their children are listed as 1. Espanol, 2. Mulato, 3, Indio, 4 Mestiso and 5. Espanol... I have to assume some children were darker than others so the scribe made the decision what nationality they were making the records unreliable as to nationality. Also it would be to the advantage of the family to have a child listed as Espanol so I wonder if bribes were ever paid to insure the record would read Espanol.. just a thought.
Linda
Emilie Garcia
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Joseph,I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the
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Joseph,
I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were descended from. I heard of stories of Moors who came to the New World with the Conquistadores. I didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured servants who could be freed. I have seen the descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could identify. They were all (until 1821) identified as Espanol. After 1821, there are no descriptions as to race. In my family it is known that my mother's side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's time. He was born around 1854, and my father told me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not
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Hello Steve, I don't think I would be able to explain it better than one of those ready made tutorials available online. Take a look at a couple of links: http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp (follow the series) http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html As you know, the Y chromosome has segments of genetic material that pass practically unchanged from father to son, except in those rare cases where a mutation occurs. The numbers you ask about represent a count of the so called Short Tandem Repeats or STRs at specific locations in the DNA molecule. When a mutation happens the count of STRs can increase or decrease usually by one count. These mutations tend to accumulate over generations at varying rates which can help to calculate or approximate the "genetic distance" between two related persons who share a common ancestor. I don't know if I'm being clear enough so I'll stop here! Anyway, read some of those documents online and then come back to share your thoughts
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Joseph,
You said not to ask, but now I will have to chase after this entry from the Ministry of Education of Peru?
Thanks so much for finding the word, anyway. The research should keep me out of trouble for a while, since I have always wondered where Daddy got that word.
Emilie
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