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"tarayata"

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I just looked up "aymara" region, it appears to be a language spoken by
indigenous people in South America...hmmmm....I wonder, if there were any
"transplants" from South America to Mexico?


Aymara is the language of the href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aymara">Aymara people of the
title=Andes href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes">Andes
. It is one of
only a handful of
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_languages">Native American
languages
with over a million speakers, and it is one of the
title="Official language"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language">official languages
of
Bolivia and
title=Peru href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru">Peru
. It is also spoken
in Chile and
title=Argentina href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina">Argentina
.


Many linguists believe that Aymara is related to its more widely-spoken
neighbour, href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quechua">Quechua. This claim, however, is
disputed — although there are indeed similarities, critics say that these may
simply be the result of prolonged interaction between the two languages or an
title="Areal feature (linguistics)"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areal_feature_%28linguistics%29">areal
feature
, not a shared origin.


The Aymara language is an
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflected_language">inflected language
,
and has a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_Object_Verb">subject-object-verb

word order

Moorish or Slave DNA

Hello,

I run the New Mexico DNA Project, the issue about
African and Moorish women is this:

Haplogroup L and all sub-haplogroups:  African Black

Haplogroup Ub6: Moorish/Berber (North African) this is
genetic code that is equivalent to E3b on the Y-DNA.

If your haplogroup L your ancient fore-mother was
Black African, if your haplogroup Ub6 your ancient
fore-mother was Moorish/Berber.

Saludos,
Angel 
New Mexico DNA Project
Project Administrator



		
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Moorish or Slave





Emilie Garcia wrote:


  So Joseph, you are not really descended from an African slave

I really couldn't say one way or the other. the MtDNA results are my
maternal  (mom's mom's mom's mom's) side and I have no documented
records past my grandmother. . .in fact I didn't know her name until
recently: Antonia Lopez from somewhere in Jalisco.



But on my paternal side going out to some GGGG grandparents some are
identified in baptism records as mestizo, coyote, mulatto, and negro.

, but maybe from someone with Moorish or Arab blood.  The Moors
were the powers in Spain only until shortly before the ancestors of the
current Spaniards had kicked them and the Jews and Arabs out.  A
Spanish friend from the Basque country told me she was proud not to be
"hija de moro ni de indio".  (She can't help it- the Basques are very
proud). 
 
I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque, because he
told me so.

http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&yr=0&ln=Olague


joseph's Y DNA: What do the results mean?





Steve G. Apodaca wrote:

After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting 
my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and 
possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. 
Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples 
from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it)

I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website 
more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do 
all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference 
between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean?

its embarrasing but I don't really understand it all



joseph



ps: have a look at me. . .down to my core.



click on the link that says Understanding your 37 marker results:


"tarayata"

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helado” : Tarayata, palabra de origen aymara . Casi no puedo
conciliar el sueño, los recuerdos invaden mi mente. inundándome de
ternura infinita, ...

www.minedu.gob.pe/dinesst/
xtras/revista_kuskapurisun08.pdf -
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. . . don't ask me,



joseph





Emilie Garcia wrote:

Well, I guess I will never find out where my father got the word
"tarayata".  He was always laughing when he said it, sort of like
calling us "rascals" when we were rough-housing with him.  He was not
prone to name calling, and being from Mexico, he spoke proper Castilian
as his people had.  My mother, who spoke a strange old 17th century
Spanish dialect from New Mexico (according to my Spanish friend), one
that I no longer hear, was not laughing when she called me "tonta,
suata, surumata, tisica, fea, chirisca, prieta, trige~na" all in one
breath.  I must have been a handful, and I think I am the only
throw-back in the family to our

Name Calling

Well, I guess I will never find out where my father got the word "tarayata".  He was always laughing when he said it, sort of like calling us "rascals" when we were rough-housing with him.  He was not prone to name calling, and being from Mexico, he spoke proper Castilian as his people had.  My mother, who spoke a strange old 17th century Spanish dialect from New Mexico (according to my Spanish friend), one that I no longer hear, was not laughing when she called me "tonta, suata, surumata, tisica, fea, chirisca, prieta, trige~na" all in one breath.  I must have been a handful, and I think I am the only throw-back in the family to our dark-skinned, kinky-haired North African-Moorish ancestors.  I'm surprised I didn't grow up with an inferiority complex due to being made fun of by the "gueros" in the family.  I just used to think they were the stupid ones, the politically incorrect ones that when losing an argument, would voice their prejudices against something I had nothing to do with

DNA project

After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting 
my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and 
possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. 
Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples 
from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it)

I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website 
more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do 
all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference 
between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean?

Steve.







English/Spanish Translation Help Needed



Here is the form letter I send out to those that want to be members of
the group. with more and more people who don't speak English expressing
interest in the group I'd like someone to translate this form letter.



Actually before doing that I think it would be good for someone who has
a good command of English to first go through it and correct my poor
English. Even a wholesale revamping of the letter would be okay as long
as strength of the 2 absolute requirements stayed in the text.



Does anyone have suggestions? I never said language was my strength. .
.chistoso soy yo.



joseph



==================================



Hello,



I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/.
We are a
small but dedicated group of serious researchers. Here is the
description of the group from our home page:



"This group is for those
actively searching for their Mexican Genealogy Roots. El objetivo de
este grupo cibernético es para poner en contacto

Olague DNA

Thanks Joseph,
 
That is a wonderful idea you suggested about doing a poster board with pictures, etc. I do have a beautifully framed hand-painted coat of arms for the OLAGUE surname that I brought back with me from Spain years ago that I intend to present to him if and when he cooperates.  I would never expect anyone to pay for taking a Y DNA test at my request.  I would also offer an extra monetary bribe if that is what it takes. 
 
My Basque friend here had told me about a village outside of Pamplona where she came from in Navarra, Spain, called Olague, so we went there.  It was so nice, and the people were so nice.  They had bright blue eyes just like my father described  The tiny village was lovely, with cobble-stoned streets and an ancient bell-tower under which the cows passed on their way home (all by themselves) from the pastures when it was milking time.  They had quaint barns, and hay-stacks, but they also had nice homes with brand-new cars and TV's.  When we passed by the

Name Calling

"Vaquetón"  comes from the word "vaqueta"
which means rawhide.  Un vaqueton is a "thick-skinned" individual who
doesn't care, takes advantage of other people goodness, lazy, and on, and
on...
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:50
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Name Calling

I've heard "taruga" and "tarada" growing up too. 
"Tonta" is another
synonym.  I have to admit I call my own kids some
of those names from
time to time. Just trying to keep the tradition
going...  :)

I wonder if it's because our culture hasn't gotten on
the politically
correct bandwagon? I thought about that when President Fox
made that
statement about our gente taking jobs "that even Blacks won't
take".
The Mexican response to the American one was that it wasn't meant
to
offend. Understanding our cultura the way I understand it I knew that

to be true. However, Fox was criticized