Jose,

It's been a long time since I tried to make use of my specialty- Spanish.  I'd like to try to present my understanding of the use of language by Spanish speakers.  As I recall, the language was first formed by the semitic linguists in the eighth century.  Before 711 A.D. there was a tremendous diversity in terms of languages spoken in the Iberian peninsula.  If you were to read the poems which are considered the earliest forms of Spanish you would barely recognize the language.  After 1492 the newly-formed "Spanish" people retained a very negative, resentful and vengeful attitude toward anything or anyone of semitic origins.  The government (monarchy) began a process of "ethnic cleansing" which extended into "purifying" the language.  Up until the early years of the 16th century no one even attempted to make rules for spelling.  The decision to make rules came from a small number of self-appointed experts not from the people who used the language.

The early visitors to the

I have attached a marriage document where Miguel Gonzales marries Maria
de Jesus de la Torre Sanchez and when she dies he marries (his first
cousin) Maria de Jesus de la Torre Correa. If the priest had not
mentioned the "cadaver ...", how would one ever discover that he didn't
marry the same person twice. No maternal names are mentioned.

George
Atascadero

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Another common coincidence is when a man or woman lost a spouse they
would re-marry and the second spouse would have the same given name as
the first spouse.

When my parents divorced my dad married an Esperanza and my mom's name
is Esperanza, when my Padrino in Ensenada lost his first wife Berta,
he married again to another Berta and I have found several cases in my
research of widows or widowers who re-married and married someone with
the same given name as their first spouse.

Could this be coincidence?

Alicia Carrillo

San Jose, Ca

*/Alberto Duarte /* wrote:

    Maybe.  But

I think you and I are related way back, but if not, we have relatives who are related to yours and mine. Have you found any connections to the Denas, Saldivars, Olagues, de la Torres, Morrillos, Chaves, Ortiz, Banuelos, Onates, etc., One of my emails to you had a family connection of sorts to you and you said you'd look it up. Holidays are no excuse to this prairie chick.:) Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very close? 



Just kidding.



Alberto Duarte Prieto

Santa Maria, California



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma.

> Eleuteria Tov/bar

> from Jerez.  Her brothers and sisters were born in

> both Tepetongo and

> Tla--don't remember how to spell this town.  Her

> parents were Mauricio

> Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo.  My great-grandfather

> had about 4 kids

> with her before she died and he married my

> great-grandmother, who was

> the

Joseph, that's why we are genealogists.  We want to
know.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> yeah I know, but still the diiiiistant possibility
> exists. small as it 
> maybe. And do I really believe that I'm a Levite,
> pues no, what do you 
> think I'm a tarugo? but still the tarugo in me
> wonders about stuff like 
> this and I just know that there are a lot of various
> ethnic groups from 
> a lot of different countries that all worked
> together to make "me." And 
> though I "might" not be a Levite "I am this or that
> or the other". . 
> .and all of them in their time very very very
> interesting and I'm sure a 
> suffering people if our understanding is correct of
> what times past were 
> like.
> 
> so let me just keep on wondering, sometimes I like
> to let my Tarugo get 
> the best of me. . .
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: hey sometimes you got to toss out a pendejada.
> 
> pps: Victor when are you coming to NC? let me know
> and

Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very close?  

Just kidding.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma.
> Eleuteria Tov/bar 
> from Jerez.  Her brothers and sisters were born in
> both Tepetongo and 
> Tla--don't remember how to spell this town.  Her
> parents were Mauricio 
> Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo.  My great-grandfather
> had about 4 kids 
> with her before she died and he married my
> great-grandmother, who was 
> the age of his eldest daughter or a little older.
> 
> And yes, Davila is the same as de Avila.  I read
> something about it 
> this past week but don't ask me where, 'cos I dunno.
>  The surname 
> Correa is Portuguese, I believe.  Marge:)
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long
> wrote:
> 
> > I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco back
> in the late 1600's
> >  the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many records..
> that's a Portuguese
>

Well, those Olagues are sure to be related to us! Cool! Merry Christmas. Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

Hi, Marge,

 

No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez.  My nephew is a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

Glo,

Did your Sandovals come from Zacatecas? My great-grandfather's first wife's maternal grandfather was a Sandoval from either Jerez, Tepetongo, or Tlaltenongo (sp?). Just wondering. Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:04 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

Peggy,



I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is Tiffany

Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and my

Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!



Then my sons are Daniel Sam  and  Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one care

about their names! smile







               ~~glo~~















From: "Peggy Delgado"


Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

To:

Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family

Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0800



Here is a list of names in MY family tree:



Narciso

Zerefina (or Zeferina)

Leonisio

Tranquilino

Plutarco

Abundio

Blas

Deciderio

Germana

Romualda

Abato

Tirso

Dionicio

Cas

There seems to be a lot Jerezanos in Las Vegas.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Hi, Marge,
> 
> No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the
> jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez.  My nephew is
> a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio
> Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there
> also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues
> and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Margarita
> Vallazzamailto:TeaCozyGran@...> 
>   To:
>
ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> 
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:26 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Saltrillo
> 
> 
> 
>   Dear Emilie,
>   Maybe this question was already answered but I was
> looking at a map in 
>   some book and found that there's a Saltrillo
> Jalisco just barely south 
>   of the State of Zacatecas.  Could your ancestor
> have been from

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> 
> Joseph,
> 
> Given the multi-cultural basis (Spanish, African, and
Native-American Indian) of the 
> Mexican people and the super multi-cultural basis (Cro-Magnon,
Phoenician, Greek, 
> Celtic, Basque, Roman, Visigoth, Jewish, North African Berber, Arab,
etc.) of the Iberian 
> peninsula people, you can probably call yourself anything you wish
and probably be 
> correct.
> 
> Furthermore, you can see that the "sangre limpia" of the "Spaniards"
was cr-p.
> 
> Scientifically and with respect to your Y-DNA, however, I agree with
Victor. Your Y-DNA is 
> Celtic, for lack of a better definition. Stay tuned. The Y-DNA
definitions and associations 
> will undoubtedly change, just like the borders of every country that
has ever existed.
> 
> Shalom (aka, "peace", goodbye), 
> 
> 
> Ed
>

A very insightful observation, Ed.

Season's Greetings!

Victor

Peggy,

I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is Tiffany
Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and my
Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!

Then my sons are Daniel Sam and Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one care
about their names! smile

              ~~glo~~







From: "Peggy Delgado" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: 
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0800

Here is a list of names in MY family tree:

Narciso
Zerefina (or Zeferina)
Leonisio
Tranquilino
Plutarco
Abundio
Blas
Deciderio
Germana
Romualda
Abato
Tirso
Dionicio
Casimiro
Sabina
Sinecio

I think they're all awesome, strong names, although I don't understand some
of them.  To me, they're all unique and very very cool.  I wish my mom had
named me a typical Mexican name.....I've never liked my name and got teased
a lot.  Peggy, my name, sounds