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militar insignia regarding my photos

John,
 
The link sent by Jose Munoz was of great interest to me because my
husband's maternal grandfather was a Chihuahua (Ciudad de Chihuahua) policeman,
a "federal", born in 1853, died in 1951, chased "el Indio Victorio" all over the
place, never caught him.  I have one picture of him in his uniform, which
is very, very different from the ones worn by Leticia's ancestors (it looks more
like the uniform worn by the soldiers of the Confederate States of America in
the 1860's, light colored with a cap).  Unfortunately, in the picture, he
is seated holding one of his infant daughters and his left breast is obscured by
the child, so I can't see a badge.  The photo is very faint in some places,
but I can make out the insignia on the cap clearly:  it is two light
colored bars (vertical----gold or silver?) with a dark bar in the middle. 
The insignia on the shoulder is too faint to make out.  My husband is
taking his nightly nap right now  (I've been up all night putting up

1550: Suave!!!

John,
 
1467!!!!  Sixteen generations!!!  My God, you lead a charmed
life.  Only five months into your research, and you have found so
much.  How I (and the rest) envy you.  With your membership in this
group, maybe some of your luck will rub off on us.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:19
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550:
Suave!!!

Hi Alberto:
 
Thank you for the  "heads up " on a
 very interesting article.  It has quite a few names that I am
presently researching.  It is going to take a few days to sort everything
out to make "heads or tails" .  Just a quick preliminary  perusing
reveals a  lot of information that I can use.
 Today has been one of those days that
makes you feel almost numb  from joy and good fortune.  Earlier
in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva.  He sent me some information
that will take me

1550: Suave!!!

John,
 
So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 and you say the records were
"destroyed"?  My father was born in Jerez also in 1903, and when we went
there to try to get a birth record the priest at the church told him that the
records for 1903 had been "burned"  (I presumed that happened around
1910-1916 when my father and his father left Mexico forever because the fighting
was so horrendous there during the Revolution.  What were you told about
how the records were destroyed?  Please let me know if you find anything on
those born in Jerez in 1903.  I recently posted a link to my
Olague-Tinajero [Felix] tree that I updated on World Connect.  Did you see
it? 
 
My maternal grandmother was Gorgonia Garcia and her parents were Ignacio
Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez. I have not found a thing on them yet
in the IGI, and I am assuming they were from Jerez, since my father Guadalupe
Olague was born there, but his father Francisco Olague was born, as were all his

militar insignia regarding my photos

Thank you for the information. I clearly see hte eagle now.

Jose Munoz

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, leticia leon  wrote:
>
> it looks fine, but the eagle is bending the head; in the photo the 
head is up, could be a police; the photo most probably was taken in 
Jesus Maria or Arandas, Jal. between 1920 and 1930. I think he is my 
great-grandfather half brother. All of these photos were given to my 
father when my gg father past the way by, the last and third wife. 
thank you, Leticia Leon
> 
> jose munoz  escribió:  Leticia Leon and John 
Gonzales
> 
> Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
> site:
> http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm  
> Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
> Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
> opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? 
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- leticia leon  wrote:
> 
> > sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> > the meaning of the

Rank Of Leticia's Ancestors

John,
 
The men in question were not Navy.  They were in an
ejercito---Army.  My husband said he saw what they called "tracks" on the
shoulder of the man seated--that is a Captain's rank insignia.  The other
man had nothing on his shoulder, but he had an insignia on his collar and an
eagle on his chest.  He believes he was a major.  At the time, 1920's,
didn't the Mexican forces kind of follow the American uniforms?  About the
sword, my husband didn't know; he said that went out long time ago in the US,
unless the cavalry used them.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: jose
munoz
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:26
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Rank Of Leticia's
Ancestors

John
As a former Marine I don't believe you are
correct:
Two bars in the U.S. Navy was a Lieutenent. A Captain
insignia
in the Navy an Eagle. The Navy LT. did wear
two bars {bands} but on his
sleeve. The Captain had
fo

militar insignia regarding my photos

it looks fine, but the eagle is bending the head; in the photo the head is up, could be a police; the photo most probably was taken in Jesus Maria or Arandas, Jal. between 1920 and 1930. I think he is my great-grandfather half brother. All of these photos were given to my father when my gg father past the way by, the last and third wife. thank you, Leticia Leon

jose munoz escribió:
Leticia Leon and John Gonzales

Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
site:
http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm 
Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken?

Jose Munoz

--- leticia leon
wrote:

> sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> the meaning of the ..." thanks.  Leticia Leon
> Morales
>
> John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> escribió:       
>  The last line of your message is confusing...
>   
>   I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
> nothing to

militar insignia regarding my photos

Leticia Leon and John Gonzales

Curiosity got the best of me. Visit the following
site:
http://www.collectors-badges.com/international.htm  
Scroll a smidge past center and you will find a
Chihuahua Mexico policeman badge. What is your
opinions? Where was the ancestor photo taken? 

Jose Munoz

--- leticia leon  wrote:

> sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for
> the meaning of the ..." thanks.  Leticia Leon
> Morales
> 
> John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> escribió:        
>  The last line of your message is confusing... 
>    
>   I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had
> nothing to do with rank.  In the  U.S. Armed Forces,
> the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates 
> "enlisted" or "officer"  the enlisted has a circle
> around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger
> eagle without the circle.
>    
>   I am no expert, but the CP could designate the
> unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on
> digging, Iam sure somebody will come up

Muros and Sanchez Castellanos

Thanks Alberto; No apology is necessary. I appreciate
the hard work, information, and time you openly share.
 

Jose Munoz

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the
> name
> below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not
> Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this
> evening
> in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione
> Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C.  I was
> told
> last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez,
> Zacatecas.
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- jose munoz  wrote:
> 
> > Alberto
> > Thanks for the information. So many common
> > locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask
> the
> > Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
> > Castallanos Sanchez? 
> > 
> > Although I see the money signs with the Munoz
> Family
> > in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
> > improve the color of green on the tree. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply
> > 
> > Jose Munoz 
> > 
> > --

Muros and Sanchez Castellanos

Jose:
Please accept my apology, I made a mistake in the name
below, it should be Antonio Sanchez Castellanos, not
Francisco Castellanos Sanchez. I look it this evening
in a book that call "Jerez-Historia tradicione
Inspiracion Poetica', by Samuel Correa C.  I was told
last year that Mr. Correa passed away in Jerez,
Zacatecas.

Alberto

--- jose munoz  wrote:

> Alberto
> Thanks for the information. So many common
> locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask the
> Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
> Castallanos Sanchez? 
> 
> Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family
> in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
> improve the color of green on the tree. 
> 
> Thanks for the reply
> 
> Jose Munoz 
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> 
> > Jose:
> > I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> > (Lo
> > de Luna, which included a number of other ranches
> in
> > the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> >

militar insignia regarding my photos

sorry, the last line should be "I have to look for the meaning of the ..." thanks.  Leticia Leon Morales

John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> escribió:
The last line of your message is confusing...
 
I believe the eagle was just an emblem and had nothing to do with rank.  In the  U.S. Armed Forces, the eagle emblem on the headgear only designates  "enlisted" or "officer"  the enlisted has a circle around the eagle, the officer's emblem has a bigger eagle without the circle.
 
I am no expert,
but the CP could designate the unit to which he belonged, not the rank...Keep on digging, Iam sure somebody will come up with an answer.
Good luck.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:54 PM
Subject: [ranchos] militar insignia regarding my photos

ok,
in the original picture (I should do this in the first place)the
militar sitting has three bars in the hat and so on the shoulders; the
other, with