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Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.

The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
gathering.

We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Arturo Ramosmailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.comma

Trevino match, DNA and the Today show

Victor,
 
I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"?  However, that word is not
in my Spanish dictionary.  I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza". 
What say you, Jose Roman?  What do they call it in Mexico?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:00
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trevino match, DNA
and the Today show

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward
Serros" ed@s...>
wrote:
>
> For starters I have 4 grandparents (Serros, Felguerez,
Salas,
Suarez) and the following is
> the DNA data that I have
gathered. They all have a "story", which in
some cases made me
>
check a great grandparent line. The results sometimes help when we
get to
the genealogy
> road blocks that we all arrive at.
>
>
Felguerez great grandfather (Y-DNA haplogroup K), Pinedo (mtDNA
haplogroup
A), Cerros
> (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1c*) Salas (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b),

Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

Arturo,
 
I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A
ancestor---we are a match

Margarita:

Is your father still living?  If he
did the test, you would be able
to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and
paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If
your cousin Humberto did it, he would
not have your father's yDNA but
would have his mtDNA, whereas if your
cousin Bobby did it, he would
have your father's yDNA but not your
father's mtDNA.  However, his
father (your uncle) would have the same
yDNA and mtDNA as your
father.  I guess you could have to have both
of them do the test...
Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the
yDNA.

If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for
$99
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the

Archived Message

Hello, Elvira?
 
(I can't tell who is writing what in the messages below).  However,
one comment peaked my interest:  "maternal lines in (or
back to) Zacatecas, especially  Tepetongo to test for mtDNA.  I don't
think anyone has started a Zacatecas  mtDNA project
yet...::Grin::"  
I must confess that all this
talk about DNA and Haplogroups and "numbers" is way over my head.  However,
I am very interested in your particular results, since you state that you are
looking for more people with maternal lineage in the area of Tepetongo,
Zacatecas.  My mother was from the Juarez-New Mexico area, descended from
settlers who had been there since the 1500's, so I guess my DNA would only
follow her maternal lines.  However, my father's people for two hundred
years that I have studied so far (back to the early 1700s) in the Tepetongo area
(Salitrillo, to be exact) never lived anywhere else until my father and his
father immigrated to the States in 1916. 
 
 Unfortunately, my father

Romero DNA

First I'd like to thank everyone who has sent me information and
suggestions for my research into my Romero/de la Torre surname.
Though I've been to SLC several times, research is slow. I am late
in answering you because of our preparations for our winter trip to
Arizona. All the last minute obligations, home repairs, and doctor
visits are taking longer than anticipated. However, the latest DNA
postings have stopped me in my tracks.


My mother is English/German/Scottish/Irish/etc. but my mtDNA seems to
track pretty close with my Dad, who was born in Jalisco.


16428[A]
16256[T]
16270[T]
16399[G]
249[G]
263[G]	
73[G]
16362[C]

My brother has agreed to have his DNA tested for my research. I have
made neither heads nor tails of my mtDNA information before now. I
guess I will need a class to learn more.


Your kindness in answering my questions and our similar mtDNA results
have made me feel like a real member of this group. I plan on more
active participation

Trevino match, DNA and the Today show

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> 
> For starters I have 4 grandparents (Serros, Felguerez, Salas,
Suarez) and the following is 
> the DNA data that I have gathered. They all have a "story", which in
some cases made me 
> check a great grandparent line. The results sometimes help when we
get to the genealogy 
> road blocks that we all arrive at.
> 
> Felguerez great grandfather (Y-DNA haplogroup K), Pinedo (mtDNA
haplogroup A), Cerros 
> (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1c*) Salas (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b), Suarez
(Y-DNA haplogroup 
> Q), Sosa (mtDNA haplogroup C).
> 
> Ed
> 

Ed,

The Americans talk about the "melting pot";  the Canadians speak about
a "mosaic".  The Italians tutti frutti.

What could we call the Mexican mix?  Capirotada?  Sopa de Letras?

Victor






Trevino match, DNA and the Today show

Josie,

I would be happy to share with you my DNA and discuss your results, here or by private 
email. We have a small Hispanic discussion group that deals with DNA results, as well as 
history. If I can not figure out something, they probably can or at least they can say what is 
known. Gary Felix, Mexico DNA project, is the moderator of this informal group. We all 
have varied DNA backgrounds but our families were all from Mexico. For starters you 
should review the information Gary has on his home page, showing results of the 
Mexicans/Mexican-Americans who have submitted DNA samples, http://
members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm.

BTW, Spencer Wells was on the Today show this am and did a great job describing the 
story that was told by the mtDNA  of the news people Katie, Matt, and Al. Spencer Wells is 
in charge of the largest DNA project ever attempted. He has written a number of important 
books on DNA, making it simpler to understand our complex relationships.

For

[ranchos 2]

Hello everyone in our group,
 I am always so very interested in everything
I read from our group.
I am new at this whole thing but am s l o w
l y
learning. Much thanks to Joseph,Arturo and Deena for all your intro
help. My DNA results( via National Geographic special/family tree) on the
maternal side are;
HER Haplography BE
HER differences from CRS
16172C
16183C
16189C
16217C
16391A
16519C
 I have not as of yet been contacted from
anyone with a similar match, but I am hopeful there is someone out there. Also
if ANYONE can help me make heads or tails of what of  these numbers mean, I
sure would like your help.I know my ancestors were from Zacatecas, Mexico. When
I first started with Rancho's, I had the name of my ggg grandmother Ancelma
Rodriguez (dop 1860?) but have since (thank you Deena) found the names
only
 of a couple more generations.They are,Agustina Ramirez and her
mother Maria de Jesus Hernandez.
Thank you all for your input!
Hope
 
 
 

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Hello, Everyone,
 
After much searching totry to make some sense out
of  my mtDNA reslutts (after not finding much) I finally decided to put it
on the DNA list up for comments.  The comments verify what I had suspected:
there are not many of us out there. 
This is
consistent with my family's history.  I have added some comments to the
responses.
Some relevant comments I have received
with some  references that might be of interest. I hope the links
are useful.
 
Elvira

these are my numbers for my mtDNA,
with  differences from CRS at
 
16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16335G
16526A
 
HVR2 differences  from  CRS
at
 
64T
73G
146C
153G
235G
263G
309.1C
315.1C 
 
 
 
Looking in the mtDNA concordance
 
 
 I find  no HVR1 sequences just like
yours, although there are many close in  the Native American peoples of
both North and South America. 
 
There occurrences of any
mutations on 16526 of

Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

Hi to my newest
Primo!    
 
 Ed........thanks
for the warm welcome!  The information I received with the test
results states that "No high resolution (HVR1+HVR2) matches were
found." 
I sent in my brother's DNA sample for the "Y-DNA25" and
the "mtDNA" tests and was informed that on the Low Resolution (HVR1) there
were 10 matches.   All this is new to me and I am trying to learn as
much as I can about DNA......believe me, I need all the help I can
get!   :-)  If you want to review the details let me know and I
will be glad to share with you.  
 
Your prima in San
Antonio......Josie  
 
 
 
 
 
 ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward
Serros
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:35 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A
ancestor---we are a match

Josie,

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us
are related since we are studying our
ancestors that came from the same
area. Today I checked my mtDNA results