My father and ALL his brothers are dead. My dad's sisters are all alive. Marge:)

On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:

Margarita:



Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be able

to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If

your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but

would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would

have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, his

father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your

father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the test...

Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.



If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99

and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the yDNA

through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-

based project only)...



Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!











--- In ranchos

Hi Ranchos members,

all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting
the following offer from Sorensen:

Dear Friend of the Foundation:

The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along
with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer. 
Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to
project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative
Genetics.

Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either:
- A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95
USD OR
- A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD

New

Hi Ranchos members,

all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting 
the following offer from Sorensen:

Dear Friend of the Foundation:

The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along 
with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer.  
Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to 
project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative 
Genetics.

Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either:
- A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95 
USD OR
- A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD

New participants may take advantage of this offer by requesting a kit 
from http://smgf.org/request_a_free_kit.html.  New participants must 
submit a four-generation pedigree chart along with a mouthwash sample 
to qualify for the coupon.

Past participants may take advantage of this offer by filling out and 
submitting the online form found at 
http://www

Ed:

Have you seen the census transcription we have done for Mezquitic?  
There are lots of "Yndio" Pinedos in Mezquitic and nearby Nostic in 
that census.  You can access the file in the Ranchos2 files section 
in a folder called ZZ_Colotlan Census project.  Mezquitic is in the 
pp. 115-124 file.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in 
reference to your mtDNA and 
> our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater 
Bolaños mining area also. My 
> grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate 
child of a hacendado 
> (Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were 
originally in Mesquitic, 
> Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far 
away; it was there in 
> Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money 
after coming from 
> Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found

Margarita:

Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be able 
to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If 
your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but 
would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would 
have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, his 
father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the test... 
Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.

If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99 
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the yDNA 
through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-
based project only)...

Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!





--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
>
> Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me 
mum  
> wasn't

Arturo,

Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in reference to your mtDNA and 
our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater Bolaños mining area also. My 
grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate child of a hacendado 
(Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were originally in Mesquitic, 
Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far away; it was there in 
Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money after coming from 
Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found Pinedos in all these 
mining towns. Lots of Villarreals also.

You are correct, however, that there was much importing of labor from different areas to 
work the mines.

Ed


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
>
> Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
> 
> I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
> 
> 16111T
> 16223T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16362C
> 16390A
> 
>

Margarita, 

See http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html#mtDNA for details on prices. You 
used to get it cheaper if you joined Gary Felix's Mexico DNA project, http://
members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm, but I think they are about the same now. ~
$129 for low resolution mtDNA, $189 for high resolution.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  wrote:
>
> BTW, how much does this cost?  I'll pay for my primo, whichever one  
> decides to do it.  Marge V.:)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> > Josie,
> >
> >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since  
> > we are studying our
> >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA  
> > results which I
> >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low  
> > resolution level to my
> >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did  
> > not realize who you
> >  were.
> >
> >  Did you do the

According to a series on the Discovery Channel on
early man that I saw a couple of months ago, we all
came from the same grandparents over 200,000
generations ago.

But seriously, I believe many of us are related since
most of us came from a mixture of common ancestors
that settled in the central plains of Mexico.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> BTW, how much does this cost?  I'll pay for my
> primo, whichever one  
> decides to do it.  Marge V.:)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> > Josie,
> >
> >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us
> are related since  
> > we are studying our
> >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I
> checked my mtDNA  
> > results which I
> >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact
> match at a low  
> > resolution level to my
> >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via
> Cecilia Isordia).  I did  
> > not realize who you
> >  were.
>

BTW, how much does this cost? I'll pay for my primo, whichever one decides to do it. Marge V.:)



On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:

Josie,



I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our

ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I

haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my

paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did not realize who you

were.



Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have

extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer

(high resolution) level.



Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you have in the Ranchos

database. My grandmother's data is below.



Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.



Abrazos,



Ed



HVR1 Haplogroup A

HVR1 differences

from CRS

16223T