Nuestros Ranchos Site

Laura,

17 de junio de 1810 - Xéres
Al margen: Santa Fé - José Margarito - Español, No. H., Folio 103
“En la Sta. Parroquial Yglesia de Xeres en dies y siete de junio de mil ocho cientos dies años: yo el Presbo. Don Cosme Damián Hinojos, bautiçé solemnente a José Margarito, espl de ocho días nacidos en Santa Fé a las quatro de la mañana, hijo lexítimo de Manuel Segovia y de Christina Rodrigues. Sus abuelos paternos: Rafael Segovia y Gertrudis Ramires. Los maternos: Santana Rodrigues y Barbara Sanches. Fueron padrinos: Carmen Rodrigues y Atilana Ruiz.” [Firma] Martín de Gongora [Firma] Cosme Damián Hinojos.

Santa Fé was a rancho in colonial Xérez and subsequently renamed to Ignacio Allende de Santa Fé. A major cristero battle took place here during the Cristero war.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Laura,
Looks like Santana Rodriguez to me. Says he was born in Santa Fe, not sure if that's the rancho.
Alice
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On Wed, 7/30/14, mayangrl@sonic.net wrote:

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2014, 5:48 AM

Hi,

I'm trying to decipher the child's maternal grandfather's
name.  Something Rodriguez.  Also the rancho.

It's the one on the bottom right. Jose Margarito.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15049-20544-78?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks. 
Laura Gonzalez

I'm wondering if anyone in the group has any information on my 9th Great Grandparents don Esteban de Aguiar y Quiroga and his wife Doña Maria de la Vega y Rivas aka Maria Guadalupe de Rivas. I'm trying to locate their parents. They would be from Ayo El Chico, Atotonilco de Alto or San Juan de los Lagos. They would've been born around 1690-1700. The mother of one of them is a Doña Ana Sanchez de Medina according to the baptism of this child that says the madrina is the abuela of the infant: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19623-30913-24?cc=1874591&wc…

But, I'm not sure which parent she's the mother of. If anyone has any information on this family that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Christopher de Cuellar

Hi Laura,

It looks like it says he was born in Santa Fe and the grandfather's name is Santana Rodriguez.

Christopher de Cuellar

________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:48 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help reading baptismal cert

Hi,

I'm trying to decipher the child's maternal grandfather's name.  Something Rodriguez.  Also the rancho.

It's the one on the bottom right. Jose Margarito.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15049-20544-78?cc=1804458&wc…

Thanks. 
Laura Gonzalez

Laura--

The paternal grandparents are Rafael Segovia & Gertrudis Ramires, and the maternal grandparents are Santana Rodriguez & Barbara Sanches.

Rosalinda

Ronnie,

Ygnacio Munoz and Ygnacia Hurtado were married in San Juan de Los Lagos
even though some people have it as San Miguel el Alto, which was at one
time a part of San Juan de Los Lagos.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18563-49215-15

The reason you are confused about Gertrudis Ramirez de Hermosillo and Paula
Gertrudis Garcia de Hermosillo is because her ancestors would
interchangeably use the compound surnames Ramírez de Hermosillo and García
de Hermosillo. They are descendants of Diego Alonso Ramírez del Pedrozo y
Hermosillo the son of Juan González de Hermosillo and María Muñoz.
According to licencia de pase a Indias for Juan González de Hermosillo his
father was Gonzalo García de Hermosillo. We aren't sure which ancestor had
the Ramírez surname but Diego Alonso Ramírez del Pedrozo y Hermosillo was
the first documented person to use the Ramírez surname.

The parents of Ignacia Hurtado were Julio Cayetano Hurtado and Maria de los
Dolores Maltide Macias-Valdez

http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=maria+ignacia+teodosia;n=hurta…
.

The page numbers were changed for some of the dispensas. The dispensa for
Quirino or Quilino Ramirez and Maria Ynes Pedroza.is now found on page 515.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-43508-11

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

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> Hola Members y Primos , I am a bit lost. I Have a
> Jose Munoz married to Margarita Ramirez feb.03 1823,San Juan de los lagos
> Matrimonios de San Juan de los Lagos -Year 1797-1823,Image # 604.
> Jose Munoz-Parents -Ygnacio Munoz and Ygnacia Hurtado.
> I cannot find Ygnacio Munoz and Ygnacia Hurtados acta de Matrimonio de
> San Miguel el Alto of Jan. 09,1786 . I am trying to find out there
> parents. I have a (Ygnacio Munoz) An Antonio Munoz de Nava and Gertrudis
> Ramirez de Hermosillo or(same person) Paula Gertrudis Garcia de Hermosillo.
> (Ygnacia Hurtado ) I have Cayetano Hurtado and Maria Munoz.
> Now I also have for Ygnacia Hurtado Parents-Julio Cayetano Hurtado and
> Maria de los Dolores Maltide Macias-Valdez. Don't know which any of this
> info is correct Margarita Ramirez (the wife of Jose Munoz ) Parents
> -Quirono or Quilino Ramirez and Maria Ynes Pedroza.-These two individuals
> came out in Guadalajara Dispensas-Film # 168095 Image # 1682,but film is
> not there to investigate.I hope I have made myself understand able cause I
> barely understand .Ronnie
>

Joseph, I have lots of relatives living in Guadalajara and I can have
contact with them to help. Please let this person know that I may be able
to help.

Thank you,
Esther Jordan

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

> Here is a message I received from a person looking for their living
> relatives. If anyone would like to help this person please email me and
> I’ll
> put you both in contact with each other: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
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> My father passed away and my mother took his ashes to his hometown in
> Guadalajara Mexico. She was going to take me there but she passed away
> suddenly and now I don't know how to get there to visit his side of the
> family. I need help to find them.
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> Aquí hay un mensaje que he recibido de una persona buscando a sus parientes
> vivos. Si alguien quiere ayudar a esta persona por favor envíeme un correo
> electrónico y voy a poner a ambos en contacto: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
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> Falleció mi padre y mi madre llevó sus cenizas a su ciudad natal en
> Guadalajara México. Ella iba a llevarme allá pero falleció repentinamente y
> ahora no sé cómo llegar a visitar el lado de la familia de mi padre.
> Necesito ayuda en ayarlos.
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> joseph
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Hola Edgar,

¿En donde se encuentra la dispensa que mencionaste? Según una entrada de
Geni.com, Martín Ruiz de Esparza cc Francisca Sotelo de Jaen tuvo un medio
hermano llamado Nicolás López de Elizalde, hijo de Juan de Luevana cc María
López de Elizalde, que casó con Juana Ortega y Bonilla en Lagos de Moreno
alrededor de 1642 donde tuvieron hijos entre 1643 y 1664. Por lo que
escribió Bill Figueroa en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15402 y lo
que se encuentra en Retoños de España en La Nueva Galicia, María López de
Elizalde se casó dos veces, la primera vez con Juan de Luévana y la segunda
con Martín Ruiz de Esparza.

Saludos.
Armando

2014-07-22 11:29 GMT-05:00 :

> BUANAS DIAS A TODOS
>
> tengos muchas dudas
> salvador esparza se caso con franca xaviera de luna en 1734
> el hijo de diego de esparza y maria de la torre
> y este diego hijo de ignacio ruiz de esparza y de( ines garcia (pendiente )
> y este ignacio ruiz de esparza hijo de martin ruiz de esparza y de
> (francisca sotelo jaen) (pendiente)
> y este martin es hijo de martin ruiz de esparza hermano de lorenza ruiz de
> esparza casada con luis de tiscareño.
>
> el punto es que nose si estas son las parejas correctas:
>
> salvador de esparza y franca xaviera de luna matrimonio 1734
>
> diego ruiz de esparza y maria de la torre
>
> ignacio ruiz de esparza y ines garcia matrimonio 1685
>
> martin ruiz de esparza y francisca sotelo jaen matrimonio 1658
> aguascalientes
>
> martin ruiz de esparza y maria lopez de elizalde
>
> es correcto esta informacion?
>
>
> otro punto en esta dispensa se mencionan que martin ruiz de esparza (el
> hijo)tenia un hermano llamado nicolas lopez de elizalde y este a margarita
> lopez de elizalde casada con juan delgado y a su vez a gabriela delgado
> la pregunta nicolas lopez de elizalde es hijo de martin ruiz de esparza y
> de maria lopez de elizalde? o es hijo de juan de luebana?

Se escucha interesante este libro. Busque en amazon y ahi esta disponible la version digital.

http://www.amazon.com/%C3%BAltima-princesa-Inter%C3%A9s-General-Spanish…

I was under the impression that all the files in the Catálogo de Indias were already indexed and available on the PARES website (pares.mcu.es), please correct me if I'm wrong.

RJ Quiralte

i just browsed volume 5 and found a melchor carrillo davila, son of pedro carrillo davila and maria velmar

Armando, Alicia, thank you for answering my question. That's what I'm
trying to do is break through a brick wall on a direct paternal ancestor. I
think Y-DNA67 sounds like the one I need. Thanks everyone. And, thanks for
taking the time to help me.

Paige

Armando,

Very interesting. I will read the links later when I have time. When you say "The Mesolithic are more
Northern European like and the Neolithic are more Mediterranean like" does that mean in appearance, or does appearance not enter into it at all? I ask because my husband looks like my nephrologist, who is from Iran, but the doctor is dark-skinned and my husband is light-skinned. They have the same features: tall, roman noses, bald, very hairy; in appearance they could almost be brothers.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:30:19 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Time period of FTDNA Family Finder
>
> The time period of the FamilyTreeDNA myOrigins results can go back as far
> 10,000 years per a post at
> http://dna-explained.com/2014/05/11/family-tree-dna-releases-myorigins/
>
> National Geographic states that it can go back further. They use similar
> equipment and the markers are compared with living people so it isn't a
> case over one piece of equipment or technology over another. It has to do
> with interpretation of the data
>
> Iberians have 37% Northern European and 48% Mediterranean and 13% Southwest
> Asian per National Geographic and they have the following to say about
> Iberians: "This reference population is based on samples collected from
> people native to Spain and Portugal. The 48% Mediterranean and 13%
> Southwest Asian percentages reflect the strong influence of
> agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived
> here more than 8,000 years ago. The 37% Northern European component likely
> comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earliest settlers,
> who arrived more than 35,000 years ago during the Upper Paleolithic period.
> Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while
> the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe."
> https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/
>
> Here is an assessment of DNA obtained from ancient remains of people that
> had lived in the Mesolithic and the Neolithic. The Mesolithic are more
> Northern European like and the Neolithic are more Mediterranean like. This
> agrees with a portion of what FTDNA and National Geographic says about the
> change between the Mesolithic and the Neolithic.
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/10/assessment-of-ancient-european-dna…
>
> This PCA plot that includes the ancient remains along with modern people is
> really interesting also.
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fc2W-6tR-HA/Urigqts3hwI/AAAAAAAAJbg/hqZiV1TOG…
>
> It's from
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/europeans-neolithic-farmers-mesoli…
>
> The time period for autosomal matches is about 5 generations but there have
> been cases where people have found matches that were related from previous
> generations.
>
> Armando
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM, EarthLink wrote:
>
> > Hi Armando,
> > I did my autosomal DNA and mtdna with Family tree. What time period does
> > it reflect? Is it recent or over 1000 years old? Thanks. Maven200
> >

You are taking your autosomal DNA results literally which is what a lot of
people that are new to DNA do with their results. If you were to see the
results of both parents or aunts and uncles and also of siblings and
cousins you would very likely see different results. That is what happens
with most people. The different results are a sign that the results have to
be looked at in a general sense and compared with lots of people to better
understand them. One of the very few ethnicities found in Mexicans that can
be detected in autosomal DNA by the three DNA testing companies and the
freely available calculators is the Native American DNA. Other than that
you would see that Europeans with no Iberian ancestry show Iberian in their
genealogy. That means that autosomal SNP markers that Iberians have are
attributed to Iberians and not Europeans in general as they should be. All
Europeans have some shared ancestry which is why you show northern European
and eastern European in your results. It is not because you have ancestry
within the past 500 to 1,000 years from those areas.

The reason is because all of the Old World populations intermixed and there
have been waves of migrations from East to West. First there was the
Paleolithic Age, then the Mesolithic age, and then the Neolithic in which
there was an agricultural revolution. Then there was the Bronze Age and
then the Iron Age. Each of those periods caused movements of people from
the Middle East and Near East to the West and they mixed with the people
that were already in the regions that they moved into causing their
descendants to carry their SNP markers. If you look at the Dodecad globe13
spreadsheet or the Eurogenes K13 spreadsheet you would see how similar many
European countries really are. National Geographic shows the same thing at
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/ Those
amounts are an average though and it is only with the program ADMIXTURE
that you can see the range of mixture in a population.

When Europeans and Mexicans are plotted in a PCA map as seen on page 37 of
the supplementary data of the recent DNA study of Mexico at
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/06/11/344.6189.1280.DC1/Mo…
you can see that Mexicans are closest to Iberians than any other European
group. This shows that a majority of our non-Amerindian ancestry really is
from Iberia. Daniel was correct in stating that the people of we are mainly
castellanos. The DNA results agree with the proven documentation. The Y-DNA
and mtDNA of the people of the region is also mostly of European origin.

Regards,
Armando

2014-07-14 22:43 GMT-05:00 Art De Leon :

> we all seem to assume that we are descendant of Spain, but just like my
> DNA, it reveal that my blood line has a minor percentage of an Iberian
> marker and more with northern and eastern Europe and Eastern European
> Jewish, along with my native American marker. A number of my antepasados
> are listed as españoles or español natural, I wonder who amongst them was
> of jewish descent.
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>

Is there anyone that could answer this question? I have a paternal ancestor
from Aguascalientes that I believe changed his name when coming to Texas,
at least that's what my aunt believes. The name she thinks it originally
was is not that common but it is a name I've seen a lot in Aguascalientes.
And, my question is could a DNA test prove what that original name was?

Paige Herrera

Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez

Me atrevo a hacer un breve comentario , no sin antes disculparme por mi poca elocuencia , pienso que no todas la Familias de JUDÍOS SEFARDÍES fueron expulsados con lujo de violencia , claro me refiero a casos aislados y regularmente Familiares muy allegados a los Reyes Católicos. como en el caso de los Velasco ya sea de la linea de Gomez Cervantes de Velasco y en la que me llega por los Fernandez de Velasco o Henriquez de Velasco primos muy allegados a los cuales les dieron muy buenas encomiendas en la Nueva España o los Mendoza o Figueroa de Mendoza por igual. creo que en el caso de Jalisco o los Alteños fue mas que expulsión una manera de protegerlos de la Santa Inquisición y de su máximo inquisidor Tomás de Torquemada muchas gracias Atte Ignacio Anaya Gomez

Bertha Alicia,

Yo no dudo que tenemos ancestros sefardíes pero deberíamos usar documentos fidedignos para hacer declaraciones como que Ruiz de Esparza, Macias, González, y Barba son apellidos sefardíes. Yo todavía no he leído que hayan encontrado documentos que lo comprueba.

El ADN de los Macias y los Barba es R1b-P312 que es un marcador europeo. Los mas probable es que son DF27+. DF27 es el marcador que desciende de R1b-P312 que es el mas común de España aunque existe también en otros países de Europa occidental.

Los González de Rubalcava son R1b-M269 y como R1b-P312 y R1b-U106 son descendientes de R1b-M269 y R1b-P312 y R1b-U106 son los marcadores mas comunes en España que descienden de R1b-M269 hay muy poca duda que los González de Rubalcava no son de unos de esos dos marcadores europeos.

Los González de Hermosillo son L142.1 que es un marcador que desciende de E-V13. Encontraron restos humanos en una cueva de España que son de 7,000 antes del presente y uno de las personas resultó positivo a E-V13. Son 4,800 años antes que hubo sefardíes en España. Se puede ver la distribución de L142.1 en http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/map-snp/247/

Como podemos ver en mi mensaje anterior la lista de apellidos sefardíes es falsa. Aparte de eso el apellido Esparza en un apellido vasco. Rodríguez significa hijo de Rodrigo que es un nombre visigodo. González significa hijo de Gonzalo y es un nombre que proviene de alemán.

Armando

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Bertha Alicia, hay alguna publicacion de lo que acabas de publicar tu, o es esta es la publicacion de España? Tienes el enlace?

Gracias por aportar este informe,
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

yo tengo Castaneda y Arteaga pero no de Atolinga. Castaneda de Moyahua y Mezquital del Oro y Arteaga de Villanueva.
Sandra Blankinship

Yo tengo los apellidos Castaneda, Perez, Avila, Saldana entre otros mas en mi arbol familiar. Todos estos ancestros Vivian en el Valle de Tlaltenango. En particular en los Ranchos que hoy dia pertenecen al municipio de Atolinga (Rancho Grande, Ojo de Agua, El Durazno, Cerrito Pelon)
Que es lo que buscas en particular?
Sylvia Castaneda

I have an Antonia Gomez married to Diego Estrada on 20 Oct 1692 in Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México, Antonia's parent were Diego Gomez and Mensia Velasco de Espexo. Is this the same Diego and Mensia?

Joe Rubio

Jaime,

You are correct. Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Dominguez married in Sierra de Pinos 3 May 1632 and had ten children before 1650. At least seven of them were baptized at the old "Parroquia de la Asuncion de Aguascalientes", including their daughter Ana Dominguez, who went by her mother's name. This Ana married twice. First, she married Juan Hernandez (I haven't found their marriage record either) who died Feb 1688 in Aguascalientes. After her husband died, she married Francisco Fernandez de Palos Dec 1688 at Las Peñuelas. They had no children, as Ana was already 49 years old. The parents of the first Ana Dominguez (who married Pedro Alonso de los Inojos) were Miguel Diaz and Maria Medel. You're probably wondering: Where does the name Ana Dominguez come from...? Well, it's not that complicated. Maria Medel was the daughter of Pedro Medel and Ana Dominguez. The name of this first Ana Dominguez was used for several generations by her descendants, which is typical of that period.

Hope this helps.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Juana Dominguez (Married to Juan Macias Valadez, 12 Jun 1683 in Aguascalientes) was daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez. Juana had at least 6 siblings. In the baptismal records of one of these, Ana is listed as Ana Domingues de los Inojos (Hinojos). I've not been able to locate Juan & Ana's marriage record, to find the names of Juana's grandparents, so I've hit a road block. However, I found a potential couple: Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Domingues (died 14 August 1675). Could these be Ana's parents and thus Juana's grandparents? Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime