Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hi Jessica,

Will you please post the web address for the record? It makes it much easier for us to look at it.

Rosalinda

Hola Edgar, yo lo tengo,pero no entero, no se de donde lo saque,
probablemente de este foro, tiene comentarios en ingles de la persona que lo
puso :

Testamento de Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza
Sello Tercero, Un Real, Años de Mil Seiscientos y Noventa, y Noventa y Uno.
En Nombre de Dios Todo Poderoso y de su Vendita Madre la Siempre Virgen
Maria concebida en Gracia y Gloria desde el primer instante de su ser. Amen.
Notorio y manifiesto sea a los que este pressente testamento vieren, como
yo, Bernardo Ruys de Esparssa, hijo legitimo de Lope Ruys de Esparssa y de
Francisca Gabai su Lexitima Muxer, vezinos que fueron de esta Villa de Aguas
calientes de donde soy natural y actualmente vezino estando en mi entera
salud cabal, juissio, memoria y entendimiento....etc. etc.
On a different paragraph, he continues
Y ten declaro que fui casado y velado segun horden de Ntra. Sta. Madre
Yglesia Chatolica Romana, con Chatalina Lossano, Hija Lexitima de Juan
Lozano y de Ysabel de Friaz su Lexitima Muxer, vecinos que fueron del pueblo
de Theocaltiche, y que con la susodicha dote...etc. etc.
What I cannot understand is why the alias "Salado" that was given to
Bernardo and to several generations of his descendants. They were all Ruiz
de Esparza as shown in most documents, but every now and then the alias
"Salado" pops up in some document.

Espero que encuentres el original. Busca en el sitio de testamentos de
aguascalientes

Julietamartha

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] BERNARDO RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y CATALINA LOZANO

BUENOS DIAS A TODOS

ALGUIEN TIENE EL ARCHIVO DEL TESTAMENTO DE BERNARDO RUIZ DE ESPARZA ESPOSO
DE CATALINA LOSANO?

ALGUIEN ME LO PODRIA PASAR O DECIR COMO BUSCARLO?

SE LOS AGRADECERIA MUCHO

EXCELENTE DIA

There are many people from the region that would like to know which Indian
tribes their ancestors came from but there really is no way to know for
sure. We know that the original Indians in the area were zacatecos,
cazcanes, tecuexes and guachichiles see
http://www.inafed.gob.mx/work/enciclopedia/EMM14jalisco/municipios/1403…

Encarnación cuenta con un gran legado rico en historia y evolución que ha
dejado su huella. Ya en los comienzos del actual milenio se encontraba el
territorio intensamente transitado por diversos pueblos chichimecas como
los tecuexes, guachichiles, zacatecos y caxcanes quienes de una vida social
de cazadores pasaron al nomadismo y luego a la forma aldeana. Dejaron
vestigios de su civilización en la zona arqueológica ubicada en la meseta
del Tule al suroeste del municipio.

There were tribes of Tlaxcaltecas and Otomíes that assisted the Spaniards
in the Chichimeca war and mixed and settled with the local Indians so you
could have a mix.

Here is another page that is about the Indians of Jalisco -
http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/jalisco_indig.html

You might have some Aztec ancestry but if so it is probably a minority of
your Indian ancestry.

It's unfortunate that so many people from the region, even my own close
relatives, think that we have Aztec ancestry when we likely have very
little.

My grandmother had a lot of Indian ancestors from Encarnación de Díaz.

Regards,
Armando

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:17 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> IN DOING RESEARCH IN THE JALISCO CHURCH RECORDS I FOUND A GREAT AUNT PETRA
> TORRES THAT MARRIED VALERIO MACIAS ON 2 JULY 1814 AND IT LIST BOTH AS BEING
> INDIOS. BUT HOW CAN I FIND THE TYPE OF INDIOS THEY WERE. I FOUND THIS IN
> THE JALISCO CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS FROM ENCARNACION DE DIAZ MATRIMONIOS
> 1778 - 1830 FILM PAGE WAS 503.I HAD HEARD THAT MY RELATIVES WERE AZTEC BUT
> I HAVE NOT VERIFIED THIS YET.. THIS MY FIRST TIME POSTING ANYTHING SO I
> DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PROPER FORMAT, ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. MY
> ID IS HERJOE59

That's interesting to know about the Sanchez and the Banuelos. I'm stuck right now, because I haven't found my ggg grandfather's baptismal record, nor his parents' marriage information (not sure where they wed). My ggg grandfather was Jose de la Luz Sanchez Banuelos. His parents were Andres Sanchez and Maria Feliciana (Petronila) Banuelos. I'm not sure if Jose de la Luz was the first born (married 7 May 1818 in Guachinango, Jalisco at age: 36, putting him around 1782, but not sure if he was born in Ameca, Jalisco) or if his sister Maria de San Juan Sanchez Banuelos (born in Villa de Xerez around 1783 according to her marriage certificate of 28 Mar 1808 in Ameca, Jalisco. All of their other sibling were born in Ameca, Jalisco, and I've found all of their baptismal records.

marriage for Jose de la Luz Sanches
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-36893-99?cc=1874591&wc…

marriage for Maria de San Juan Sanchez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18433-71330-5?cc=1874591&wc=…

Maria de San Juan married Jose de la Luz's wife's father.

I'm just wondering if you came across any of these names.

Sandra Marquez

Sanchez-Castellanos

Katy if you can contact me by Facebook we can share information. I am the cousin of Rigoberto from Monte Escobedo

thank you for sharing this information since I have Matias and Estefana in my files too
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Friday, June 13, 2014 4:51 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Quisera dar gracias a mi Primo Juan Sanchez por sus investigaciones de
nuestra Familia de Sanchez. Por mucho tiempo he pensado que mi Estefana
Sanchez (marida de Matias Banuelos) fue hermana de Antonia Sanchez (marida
de Antonio Banuelos). Pense que dos hermanos se casaron con dos hermanas.
Pero quien es Marizal Banuelos y quien es Rosalia Sanchez:

Tres hermanos Matias, Antonio y Marizal Banuelos casaron tres hermanas
Estefana, Antonia, y Rosalia Sanchez en Monte Escobedo – mire los
Información matrimonial de Monte Escobedo:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15214-15559-51?cc=1804458

&wc=MC76-Z2Q:147338301,147338302,149982301

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15214-16029-34?cc=1804458

&wc=MC76-Z2Q:147338301,147338302,149982301

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15214-15514-26?cc=1804458

&wc=MC76-Z2Q:147338301,147338302,149982301

Los Banuelos hijos de Xacinto Banuelos y Bartola de la Torre

Los Sanchez hijas de Trinidad Sanchez-Castellanos y Gertrudis Jaimes

Gracias Primo,

Joseph

Pd: Juan Sanchez me contacto por que mi nombre era una conexión de
FamilyTreeDNA family finder.

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Sanchez-Castellanos

I want to invite everybody to use de DNA to share information, I think this tool is very useful with people like us that have documented the family tree of our families. The amount of Spaniard were so limited that I am sure that at least an important % of us share a comoun DNA. In a few words we are cousins.

Joseph and I have been tested by familytree DNA and many of us too. We just have to use the tools we have.

i could give you more info on the parents since i'm a decendant of antonia sanchez and antonio banuelos

This is an interesting study. The supplements document can be downloaded
without registering. It's at
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/06/11/344.6189.1280.DC1/Mo…

Figure S10 shows that the Purépecha and Nahua Jalisco are similar to each
other even though they speak languages from different language families,
Tarascan vs UtoAztecan (see table S1). The Huichol are very different from
Purépecha and Nahua Jalisco even though the Huichol occupy parts of
northwestern Jalisco and Nayarit and the Huichol speak a dialect of
UtoAztecan as do the Nahua Jalisco. Table S1 shows the linguistic families
of each group as well as the region each one inhabits. This goes to show
that DNA and language can be independent of each other because you can have
two different language groups with similar autosomal DNA and you can have
two different autosomal DNA groups that speak the same language.

Two of the authors are from Instituto de Investigación en Genética
Molecular, Universidad de Guadalajara, Ocotlán, Mexico.

Armando

Mia,

There were in fact members of the García de León who mixed with other caste and did produce mulatos. They continued using their last names, I have also found a couple ilegitimate lines in Aguascalientes, Celaya and Teocaltiche.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Hi Mia,

Technically, it would not be possible to be an Indio if the father was an español, and fairly unlikely to be a mulato, unless the mother was actually black, but, in reality the colonial caste system was mostly based on appearance and features and not on a thorough investigation into their racial or ethnic background. I'm guessing that your question is related to Toribio García de León. You are correct that he is español, but, if you look at George Fulton's Aguascalientes Matrimonial Information here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014 

you'll see that Toribio Garcia de Leon married a Mulata named Juana Hernandes, so, although their children should be more accurately classified as Moriscos, any number of other caste labels are possible based on their appearance.  

Here is the actual IM for Toribio García de León and Juana Hernandes : https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11671-65970-66?cc=1502404&…
 
Toribio García de León was baptized on 1 May 1669 in Aguascalientes: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-90519-12?cc=1502404&…

As it says on his baptism and Información Matrimonial, he is the son of Juan García de León and Juana de Ulloa. The last will and testament of Bartolomé García de León confirms that he and his first wife Antonia de Cáceres are the parents of Juan García de León.

Bartolomé García de León married Antonia de Cáceres in Aguascalientes on 24 Feb 1636:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51976-86?cc=1502404&…
 
Antonia de Caceres died around 21 Jun 1646 from childbirth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-145304-59?cc=1502404…
 
Bartolomé García de León died 27 Mar 1679 in Aguascalientes: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-147019-59?cc=1502404…
 
That's all the information I know.

Good luck in your search,

Christopher de Cuellar

Hello Mia :

Indian with a spanish father doesn't exist, he could be mestizo from Spanish
and Indian or mulato from Spanish and Black . So a member of the Spanish
family Garcia de Leon that marry with an Indian or a black woman .

But sometimes Black slaves and Indians servants , like they did'nt have last
names use to take those of the master, so I think you should continue to
look until you find where is the conection with that family in Celaya.

Good luck

Julieta

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Toribio Garcia

>
>
>
Hello members,

I saw in the older posts on Nuestros Ranchos a few posts about the Garcia de
Leon family from Celaya Guanajuato and wanted to ask a question. One of my
direct ancestors has parents named Toribio Garcia and Juana Hernandes but my
ancestor is sometime listed as mulato and sometime Indian and I saw that the
Garcia de Leon family are Spanish. Is it possible that my ancestor is mulato
or Indian with a Spanish father?

Mia

Hello Katy, It says they are "Having technical difficulties." https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1874591

Last week they had a big crash and even Family Tree Maker wasn't working. I thought it was my computer; I even took it in for service but they couldn't fix it. I saved my tree on another computer and erased the program from my computer then reloaded. Still didn't work. Finally I called their line and there was a recording. Thought me to check before assuming the problem is on my end. Maybe they will upload more files while they are fixing the problem. Deedra Corona

. I read your post with excitement because Roque Gomez and Thomasina Ramirez are very prominent in my tree. This couple did have a son named Nicolas, but he was born in Tecolotlan, 8 April, 1742. I believe the problem is that there are several persons with the name Nicolas Gomez. I hope you agree that we should help each other keep these confusing families straight.
Lic. Nicolas Thadeo Gomez y Aguilar was married 3 times:
To Estefania Fernandez de Monrroy, as you mentioned, on 21 August, 1757:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-26959-56?cc=1874591&wc…

This document does mentioned the deceased wife; Manuela Flores, whom he married in Guadalajara on 23 April, 1749.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-16944-31?cc=1874591&wc…

This document also mentions a deceased wife: Juana Maria Villasenor whom he married in Cocula 31 January, 1738

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18433-24922-24?cc=1874591&wc…

The dispensa for his niece, Rita Gomez Garcia and Pedro Araiza Medina in 1760 in Zapotlan was helpful to me in determining that the parents of Nicolas Thadeo were Joseph Gomez Garcia and Maria Candelaria Aguilar y Solario and mentions that her father was his brother and he raised Rita in his home.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-5451-14?cc=1874591&wc=…
Deedra Corona

Muy en Especial a el joven mendezdetorres aquí tienen los datos del matrimonio de Maria Ysabel Gomez De Aguilar y Covarrubias y Francisco De San Roman Maria Ysabel fue media Hermana de mi 5o Abuelo Nicolas Crisanto Gomez de Aguilar y Quijas y en efecto todos los Gomez de Aguilar son del mismo tronco Familiar de los Gomez Garcia el patrirca de los Gomez de Aguilar fue José Gomez Garcia de Velasco y Zuñiga y su Esposa Maria Candelaria de Aguilar y Solorzano

Francisco De San Roman Nombre del cónyuge: Maria Ysabel Gomez De Aguilar, Fecha del evento: 27 Mar 1787
Lugar del evento: Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Nombre del padre: Antonio San Roman Y Fernandez
Nombre de la madre: Rita Barva Y Sermeno
Nombre del padre del cónyuge: Francisco Gomez De Aguilar
Nombre de la madre del cónyuge: Juana Maria Cobarrubias me imagino que Antonio San Roman Y Fernandez es de la Familia Fernandez Monroy Gracias jhasta pronto Atte Ignacio Anaya Gomez

ana de la trinidad garcia's parents are juan garcia and isabel gutierrez

just a small correction. her name was Ana de la Trinidad Garcia and only one record among many lists her as Benedicta. Her husbands name is actually Jose Antonio del Carmel/Carmen Caldera. They are my ancestors too. I find most of their family in El Durazno, Jerez Zac but find them with the Caldera family in La Boca de San Pedro, as padrinos and witness's but have not been able to prove they are related.
I also have this marriage record for Jose (Dionicio) Ceballos and Agustina Medrano
.
marriage 7 Feb 1781 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Seballos Espanol
parents: Agustin Seballos and Rita Bermudes
with Agustina Medrano Espanola
natural child of Monica Medrano
godparents: Jose Caldera and Paula Gertrudis
source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
page 260 Family search online program

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:57 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Here is a bit more information from Aaron the PBS Researcher:

Hi Joseph,

José de la Lus Ramírez's wife's name was Apolinaria Ceballos. Her father was
Dionicio Ceballos and his wife was Agustina Medrano.
Jose's father's name is Pedro José Ramirez and his wife's name is Gertrudis
Felix, but we have no locations on them.

In terms of Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera, his wife's name was Feliciana
Ceballos. Joseph's fathers name was Josef Antonio Caldera, and
his wife was
named Anna Benedicta García but once again we have no locations.

Our genealogists have done a lot of work on this and have had trouble, as
most of the church archives are unindexed. Are any of your members located
in Zacatecas?

We need the information basically as soon as possible, we're shooting in two
weeks and would love to have the information within a week!
Thanks for your help, I realize this is quite short notice, so I appreciate
anything you can do!
Best,
Aaron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> Behalf Of Alicia Carrillo
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:27 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Researcher Needs Help
>
> FYI,
>
> Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
> is currently doing research for PBS, Finding your roots, the Henry
> Louis Gates production. That would make 2 people from Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> Alicia
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Joseph Puentes
wrote:
>
> > If anyone in the group would like to work on this project it would be
> > great if you would bring some attention to the
> > http://nuestrosranchos.org/group if the findings get presented on
> PBS.
> >
> > Here is some information I received directly from Aaron with some
> info
> > posted on the Zacatecas rootsweb group included at the bottom:
> >
> > As stated before, I am a researcher for a PBS show called Finding
> Your
> > Roots, that explores race, culture, and identity through the
> > genealogies and family histories of notable celebrities.
> >  I am trying to trace the line of Jose de La Lus Ramirez, born March
> > 1781 in Jerez, Zacatecas, and the line of Joseph Antonio Luciano
> > Caldera, born December 14, 1755 in El Durazno, Zacatecas, and died
> Jun
> > 19, 1799 in El Durazno, Zacatecas.
> > We're trying to see if we can take these two people's families back
> to
> > Spain, which would probably be about two or three generations. We've
> > already checked the obvious places for records but have turned
> nothing
> > up, so if there is anyone with any leads or who would be interested
> in
> > helping out, we would be enormously
appreciative.
> > I did some searching on your site and found Miguel Caldera, who has
> > obvious ties to Spain (through his father) and while it is entirely
> > unknown whether Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera is related to him, it
> could be a lead?
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > Joseph Puentes
> > Clean@h2opodcast.com
> > http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 
  1. PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas Genealogist
> >      (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:40:22 -0000
> > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com"
> > Subject: [MEX-ZACATECAS] PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas
> >       
Genealogist
> > To:
> >
> > Author: akalischerco
> > Surnames: de la Lus Ramirez, Caldera
> > Classification: lookup
> >
> > Message Board URL:
> >
> >
> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.zacatecas/2051/mb
> > .ashx
> >
> > Message Board Post:
> >
> > I'm working on a PBS show and am trying to take the lines of Jose de
> > La Lus Ramirez
of Jerez, Zacatecas, and Joseph Antonio Luciano
> Caldera
> > of El Durazno, Zacatecas, back to Spain (probably about two
> > generations). Is there anyone who could attempt to do this? The
> answer
> > may lie in civil or church records, but I have been unable to find
> any
> > that help.
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
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FYI,

Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society is
currently doing research for PBS, Finding your roots, the Henry Louis Gates
production. That would make 2 people from Nuestros Ranchos.

Alicia

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

> If anyone in the group would like to work on this project it would be great
> if you would bring some attention to the http://nuestrosranchos.org group
> if
> the findings get presented on PBS.
>
> Here is some information I received directly from Aaron with some info
> posted on the Zacatecas rootsweb group included at the bottom:
>
> As stated before, I am a researcher for a PBS show called Finding Your
> Roots, that explores race, culture, and identity through the genealogies
> and
> family histories of notable celebrities.
> I am trying to trace the line of Jose de La Lus Ramirez, born March 1781
> in
> Jerez, Zacatecas, and the line of Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera, born
> December 14, 1755 in El Durazno, Zacatecas, and died Jun 19, 1799 in El
> Durazno, Zacatecas.
> We're trying to see if we can take these two people's families back to
> Spain, which would probably be about two or three generations. We've
> already
> checked the obvious places for records but have turned nothing up, so if
> there is anyone with any leads or who would be interested in helping out,
> we
> would be enormously appreciative.
> I did some searching on your site and found Miguel Caldera, who has obvious
> ties to Spain (through his father) and while it is entirely unknown whether
> Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera is related to him, it could be a lead?
>
> Joseph
>
> =========================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> Clean@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas Genealogist
> (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:40:22 -0000
> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com"
> Subject: [MEX-ZACATECAS] PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas
> Genealogist
> To:
>
> Author: akalischerco
> Surnames: de la Lus Ramirez, Caldera
> Classification: lookup
>
> Message Board URL:
>
> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.zacatecas/2051/mb…
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> I'm working on a PBS show and am trying to take the lines of Jose de La Lus
> Ramirez of Jerez, Zacatecas, and Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera of El
> Durazno, Zacatecas, back to Spain (probably about two generations). Is
> there
> anyone who could attempt to do this? The answer may lie in civil or church
> records, but I have been unable to find any that help.
> Aaron
>
>
>

Joseph este es el link de mi Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/digifoto.jardinesdelvalle?ref=tn_tnmn

2014-06-25 16:28 GMT-05:00 Joseph Puentes :

> The NGGS will be having another great conference. Please click on this link
> http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/NGGSFlyer.jpeg for all the details. Save
> the
> date and come prepared to learn.
>
>
>
> For more information contact Alicia Carrillo or Martin Perez (email
> addresses in the linked material)
>

Laurie Machen
Thank you

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

I'V DONE RESEARCH PER NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE AND REGINA ALBARADO.
4 CHILDREN
NICOLAS PARENTS JUAN LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LEONOR BECERRA.
I'M A NEW MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT IF I CAN HELP LET ME KNOW.
MARY E

Mary Gervassi

Have you tried searching in the LDS? I did a search and came up with 4 children and one married. This is in the year of the 1600"s in Aguascalientes. Is this where your family is from?

Mary

Hola...leyendo en notas del 2007, encuentro sobre el apellido ELIZALDE.

mI BISABUELA es MACEDONIA ELIZALDE SALAS, (nacida en Aguascalientes en 1849), hija de JOSE GREGORIO ELIZALDE BAÑUELOS, ( nacido en Guadalcazar S. L.P. en 14 mayo 1825, Y de ANACLETA SALAS ) hijo de JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE GARCIA ( nacido en 1798 en Sta. Elena, Rìo Verde S.L.P.) hijo de JOSE MANUEL ELIZALDE Y MA. GUADALUPE GARCIA.

Estos datos los obtuve de FAMILY SEARCH, records.

Daniel,

According to my records, the first López de Elizalde (also spelled Lizalde, Lisalde, etc.) in the area was Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza, born in Tolosa, Navarra (Spain). He married Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza 21 Jan 1585 in San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Some of their children were born and lived in Aguascalientes. Here is a quick genealogy report on the first generation.

1. Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza was born in Tolosa, Navarra, Spain. He married Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza 21 Jan 1585 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza and Anna Sánchez de Mendoza. Leonor was born in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Children of Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza were:

2 i. Juan López de Elizalde. He married María Burgueño; died 12 Dec 1638 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. Mexico.

3 ii. María López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1597; died 04 Mar 1678 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico. She married (1) Juan de Luévana Abt. 1617 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; born Abt. 1592 in Reynos de Castilla, Spain; died Abt. 1624. She married (2) Martín Ruiz de Esparza Abt. 1625 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; born Abt. 1600 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico.

4 iii. Isabel López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1599. She married Francisco Díaz 27 May 1618 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; born in Islas Canarias, España.

5 iv. Juana López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1608; died 22 May 1682 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico. She married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza Abt. 1629 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; born Abt. 1604 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; died 27 Jul 1679 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico.

6 v. Nicolás López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1612 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico. He married Regina de Alvarado.

7 vi. Beatriz López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1615. She married Luis de Alvarado Abt. 1637 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico; born Abt. 1611.

8 vii. Leonor López de Elizalde, born Abt. 1617 in Aguascalientes, Ags. Mexico. She married Juan Fernández Vaulus de Siordia.

I'll be able to help you with other descendants after you trance your ancestors to the early XVIII century. I don't have anything recent.

Rgds,

Bill

Édgar,

Soy nono-bisnieto de Gerónima de Escoto y Tovar y su marido Joaquin Muñoz de la Barba. También tengo las mismas dudas, no encuentro fuentes confiables para las genealogías. Según el investigador muy reconocido, Jaime Holcome e Isunza la vinculó como hija de Antonio de Escoto y Tovar e Inés Ortiz de Rodas. Hasta hoy no he encontrado algún documento que lo consta y lo peor es que no encuentro un documento que lo niega.

Puedes compartir los hijos que encontrastes para dicha pareja? Tenté buscar en FamilySearch sin éxito.

Espero que todos los investigadores, si se quieren considerar serios y dedicados, que aprendan como documentar, analyzar, compruebar sus genealogías con documentos fidedignos. Realmente, me ha causado una angustia, corregir tantos datos erróneos en “sitios genealógicos.” En la genealogía y su estudio, la organización es primordial y produce tranquilidad. En esa forma nuestros datos y archivo goza de validez.

Gracias antemano,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

You mentioned Maria Dimas de la Paz, you are right her parents were Maximo de la Paz and Maria Agatona Ledesma,I have them in my tree. I also have Maximo de la Paz parents,Pedro Ramon de la Paz(1762 to 3/5/1825 Huejuquilla)and Maria Gertrudis Luna. Pedro Ramon had 2 other wives which were Maria Josefa Aguilar and Maria Ygnes Miramontes. Pedro Ramon de la Paz parents were Eugenio Fernando de la Paz(8/5/1737 Aguascalientes)and Maria Luisa de la Torre. He was also married to Maria Ciriaca Flores.Eugenio Fernando de la Paz parents were Antonio de la Paz and Anna de Luera.
I'm sorry I dont have the links to all this info, but I did the research myself and saved the images for reference.If you would like copies of the images let me know and I will try to figure out how to send the image to just you through the website, if not I can just email you the images.
Ruben

I've been reading your past post on your research and I too have ancestors that originated in Mezquitic around the same time and ended up in Huejuquilla and Valparaiso in the Rancho de los Maderas and Rancho Jimulco. Except, my ancestors were Navarrete and de la Paz. Both families did marry into the Maderas. I was only able to go back to early 1700's with Agustin Navarrete and wife Leonora Rivera.Their son's Domingo Navarrete (1724 Mezquitic) and Juan Navarrete (1735 Mezquitic). I am trying to see if Maria Magdalena Navarrete(your ancestor) was related to them in any way.
Also, these are some of my other ancestor last names from Huejuquilla and Valparaiso from about the same time, de la Paz y Esparza, Perez y Carrillo, Diaz y Banuelos, Catano y Flores,Pacheco y Miramontes, and Gallegos. I am glad you found the image you were looking for, since a lot of Huejuquilla is not indexed. I remember the frustration researching Huejuquilla baptisms because the images were very blurry but rewarding.
Good Luck.
Ruben

welcome to the wonderful world of family trees going back to the same person. If I remember right my cousin Daniel said he has one line that goes back 17 times to the same person in Lagos.. You must also remember that the founding families sometimes made pacts to only marry Espanol and when you start with 10 or 15 families it doesn't take long to be related to everyone!
Another suggestion, never judge lineage by skin, eye or hair color. My Mother was blond, blue eyed and extremely fair skinned but had Indian and black ancestors. If we are lucky we find we are all that Mexico had to offer and one couple could produce babies in all skin tones, hair color and eye color.
Linda in Olympia

On Monday, June 9, 2014 1:14 AM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Oh my God!  I found the matrimonio of my GGGG Grandparents Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar which is in the year 1760 and I am shocked from where it says about their origins!

http://oi62.tinypic.com/ot233n.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27558-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Says,  "Joseph Francisco Madera mestizo originario de Mesquitic y vecino de este pueblo hijo legitima de Blas Madera y Maria Theresa Abila"

And about Maria Leocadia Huizar:  "con Maria Leocadia Espanola de Pedro Huizar y Maria Magdalena Navarette Espanoles de originales del Valle Balparaiso (Valparaiso)"

What????  I am stunned! I cleary have Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar son, Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera Espanol being born in "Rancho De Los Maderas in 1762! Which I have posted earlier:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/9kmdn8.jpg

Also have proof in a defunto record when Maria Leocadia De Huizar Espanola passed away in 1813 at 30 that she is from Rancho De Ximulco:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/sglc77.jpg

So that makes Francisco Madera the brother of Lazaro Madera (which I posted ealier) since their parents are "Blas Madera and Maria Theresa Abila.

Francisco Madera would also be the uncle of "Marcelo Madera" who was the owner of "Rancho De Los Maderas" in a census of 1828 (I only copied first page) where it shows "Don Marcelo Madera and Juana Ramirez" first on the list:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2820pz5.jpg

This also makes Marcelo Madera first cousin of my paternal GGG Grandfather Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera.  Funny is they are both my GGG Grandfathers since both of them have direct lineage to my Grandfather Antonio Madera Madera.  Where Juan Benancio Madera goes through my grandfather's paternal side and Marcelo Madera goes through my grandfathers maternal side:

Antonio Madera Madera:

Paternal Side:
Calixto Madera De La Paz (Ximulco, Cerro Blanco
Patricio Madera (1792 Ximulco)/Maria Dimas De La Paz, Espanola
Juan Venancio Madera Espanol 1762 Rancho Maderas/Maria Josefa? Geronima Fernandez?
Joseph Francisco Madera(Rancho Madera) /Maria Leocadia De Huizar (Ximulco)
Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Abila

Maternal Side:

Maria Clemencia Madera (Rancho De Los Maderas)wife of Calixto Madera De La Paz
Benito Madera (Rancho De LosMadera)1833/Maria Estanislada Ramirez
Marcelo Madera (Rancho De Los Madera) /Juana Ramirez
Lazaro Madera (Rancho De Los Madera)/Juana Micaela Perales
Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Abila

Oh my God did we Maderas originate from Mesquitic and moved over to Huejuquilla? So when did "Rancho De Los Madera's was founded? Because then I assume it could have been founded by either Blas Madera or the son Francisco Madera.  But it making me think it could Blas Madera that founded Rancho De Los Madera's after coming over from Mesquitic. 

At the same time the parents of my GGGG Grandmother Maria Loecadia Huizar, Espanola (Ximulco) who are Pedro Huizar and Maria Magdalena Navarette, Espanoles from Valparaiso came over to Huejuquilla and established themselves at Rancho Ximulco where Maria Leocadia De Huizar, Espanola was born.

Wow!  But anyway to describe how my Grandfather Antonio Madera Madera looks like, he has a light complexion with blue eyes.  Also a very old man in Huejuquilla by the last name Rimoldi told me he met my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera when he was already old in the early 1900's.  And he describe him as looking very European with blue eyes.  Most of Dad's brother and sisters have blue eyes but my Dad and another sister have brown eyes.

Existen una población menoría de ingleses y estadounidenses en Jalisco a partir de 1875. Se revisan los registros de Guadalajara encontrarán muchísimas familias como los Blume, O'Connor, Weber, Hagenback, Conrad, Green quienes se vincularon con la familia imperial Iturbide, Patrick y los Knight quienes se vincularon con los Marqueses de Pánuco.

Incluso, en la Sagrada Mitra se conservan numerosas dispensas matrimoniales para estos "ultramarinos," alemanes, brasileños, franceses, ingleses, italianos, etc.

Debemos acabar con los mitos y las leyendas y establecer la verdad con documentos comprobantes.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Muy interesante, nunca he escuchado o leído sobre asentamientos de grupos Ingleses en México, por otro lado si hay muchas personas de origen Ingles que habitaron el país, principalmente vía E.U.A. rara vez directamente de Inglaterra. Existen por otro lado los Menonitas, que ya hace bastante tiempo que viven en México, algunos de ascendencia Europea mas directa y reciente.

Como consejo y comentario, recomiendo no encerrarse en un punto el cual con el tiempo pudo haberse malinterpretado, Sería mas prudente buscar simplemente entre personas del mismo apellido Flores de la época en vez de buscar directamente asentamientos Ingleses, de ninguna manera digo que no lo hubo, si no que creo yo, basado en mi propia experiencia, que es mas fácil encontrar indicios cuando se empieza sin conjeturas previas. Una pista es la historia misma de la "colita", que si bien han existido varios casos, no creo que hay literatura a la fecha (favor de corregirme si me equivoco) que mencione todo un grupo con esta característica. Esto es mas probable que proceda de la imaginación muy menuda de a principios del siglo veinte, justo después de la revolución, donde se inculca "el movimiento nacionalista", el cual hace de la gente "guera" algo raro.

Sería bastante interesante sin embargo si ésta historia sucedió. Saludos cordiales.

RJ Quiralte