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Como bajar el archivo paf de family searsh

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Me pueden mandar la liga o la forma de bajar el ARCHIVO paf DE LOS MORMONES, GRACIAS

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Published by arturoramos – Tue, 2013-10-01 16:35 | Permalink

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Salvador:

El programa de PAF ha sido descontinuado por la iglesia mormona desde julio de este año.

Parece haber un par de sitios reputables donde se puede descargar aun si quieres intentar, aunque habra riesgos con descargar programas de sitios no conocidos.

http://download.cnet.com/Personal-Ancestral-File/3000-20414_4-14899.html

La iglesia mormona recomienda descargara y usar uno de varios programas que se ofrecen gratuitamente tal como Roots Magic.

http://www.rootsmagic.com/FamilySearch/

Welcome to the group Mia

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I also am new but from what I've been reading in recent weeks, this is group is pure excellence and some of the most knowledgeable people I've been fortunate enough to meet up with.

Navarro, FamilyFinder results

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Hola Armando y NuestrosRancheros,

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Tue, 2013-10-01 14:55 | Permalink

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Hola Armando,

Thanks for the feedback. Indeed the calculations I made are almost identical since the Mediterranean : North European proportions in my samples are very similar to the ones form the modern Spanish_D tables. I find this very interesting, almost as if the second set of results was confirming the first one. I agree that in the example I gave the Southwest Asian, West Asian and South Asian percentiles need to be added to my Spanish total (either all or just part of them).

I wish I could compare my future Geno2.0 results to the FamilyFinder ones, but it won't be so easy since I bought Geno2.0 for myself (given my curiosity on my own ethnic percentiles and my idea of a large database of local populations from the Genographic project) and the FamilyFinder tests for samples from my parents (in order to take advantage of the distant family matching of FamilytreeDNA). Unfortunately I can not afford buying every test for everyone I would like to test in my family.

Thanks again for your time and have a nice week.
Sincerely,
Victoriano Navarro

Published by Armando – Sun, 2013-09-29 07:33 | Permalink

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Hola Victoriano,

Your Mediterranean and North_European are almost exactly 70% of the Spanish_D. (The D stands for Dodecad). So I took 70% of everything else that Spanish_D has and put it in your Spanish percentage and subtracted that amount from the different Asian and African percentages. Then I placed the remaining amounts into your Amerindian and African percentages. You come out 71.24% Spanish, 27.81 Amerindian, and 0.64 African. You have a lot more Spanish than most Mexicans but about the same as most Alteños that show all or most of their ancestors to be españoles.

The following doesn't align perfectly so you have to count the headers and the columns to be sure you are on the correct group when looking at the percentages.

Victoriano Spanish_D Spanish Amerindian African
Siberian 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.00
Amerindian 20.22 0.00 0.00 20.22 0.00
West_African 1.33 0.90 0.63 0.00 0.43
Palaeo_African 0.21 0.10 0.07 0.00 0.11
Southwest_Asian 8.10 5.60 3.92 4.18 0.00
East_Asian 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Mediterranean 35.42 50.40 35.42 0.00 0.00
Australasian 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Arctic 1.13 0.00 0.00 1.13 0.00
West_Asian 6.01 5.10 4.21 1.80 0.00
North_European 25.70 36.80 25.70 0.00 0.00
South_Asian 1.51 0.40 1.06 0.45 0.00
East_African 0.34 0.60 0.24 0.00 0.10

Total 71.24 27.81 0.64

Saludos,
Armando

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Hi Armando,

Thanks for the analysis. I also used the Spanish_D data for the calculations and came up with the following results:

When doing the math based on North European percentile: 69.77% Spanish, 21.37% Amerindian, 7.87% Asian and 0.73% African.

When doing the math based on Mediterranean percentile: 70.21% Spanish, 21.37% Amerindian, 7.82% Asian and 0.76% African.

I see you add all the Asian populations when calculating Amerindian %, but I’m not sure if that’s quite right. I agree if you add the East Asian, Siberian and Arctic (at least the Asian and American parts), but not so much when adding the Southwest Asian, East Asian and South Asian percentiles. I don’t know how are the Dodecad people mapping those regions, but at least according to Wikipedia Southwest Asia and Western Asia are the same as the Middle East (Arabic peninsula, Israel and Palestine, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc.) while South Asia includes mainly India and Pakistan (other neighbouring countries may or not be including depending on the source). That makes me wonder if those percentiles could also be attributed to Spanish origin, from a little more Moorish or Jewish roots. Do you know where I can find the maps used by Dodecad for their mapping?

In case someone is wondering, these are the spreadsheets we are using for the calculations:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedGR2ZWRoQ0VaWT…

These are showing data from different populations, and we are using the ones from modern Spanish people (Spanish_D). However, these numbers are averages and may have variations, some bigger than others (especially if we are considering individuals). Among the populations listed there we can find many different ones from Spain: Andalucía, Aragón, Canarias, Cantabria, Castilla-La Mancha, Castilla-León, Cataluña, Extremadura, Galicia, Murcia, País Vasco, Spaniards, Spanish and Valencia. They list other ones which may be closely related to Spain: Sephardic Jews, Portuguese and Morocco Jews. Most of these Spanish populations show similar (but not identical) percentiles, although the data from País Vasco has higher Mediterranean and North European percentiles than the others.

I think we have to consider that most of us do not descend from modern Spaniards. We descend from different kinds of Spaniards (and some Portuguese), who came to New Spain and México from different regions of Spain, at different times between the 1520’s and the 1940’s. In those 400+ years there were many changes in the Spanish genetic pool due to immigration, emigration, deaths and local population shifts, all resulting from wars, diseases, colonization of the territories overseas, politics, economics, the expulsion of unconverted Jews and Moors in 1492, etc. (of course, similar changes occurred elsewhere in the Planet). My point is that the percentiles shown for Spaniards in the spreadsheet may be a good point to start to calculate our own, but we should allow for some flexibility in the results.

I can’t wait to get my own Geno2.0 results and see how does the geographic data I get from that test compares to the Dodecad calculations.

By the way, in the particular case of the data I show, the higher Spanish percentile is in part explained since a grandfather immigrated directly from Spain in the late 1890’s, so for the three remaining grandparents the Spanish (Western Asian)-Native Mexican proportion may be closer to 2.75:1 according to my calculations, 1.7:1 according to yours.

Saludos cordiales desde Torreón,
Victoriano Navarro

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Hola Victoriano,

Your two calculations aren’t very different from each other. They are almost identical.
I hope the following gives some insight on why I was wrong on the Asian components.
If you look at the spreadsheet all of the Iberian groups, except Basques, have Southwest Asian. That includes the Portuguese. Canarias and Murcia have a tiny amount of East Asian, all other Iberians have none. All Iberians including Basques have West Asian. All Iberians except for those from Andalucía (from the 1,000 Genomes project) have South Asian. Therefore, at least a portion of Southwest Asian, West Asian and South Asian need to be added to your Spanish total if not all of it. You don’t have East Asian and neither do most Iberians. The rest was hard for me to tell. We know that our Amerindian ancestors came from Siberia and they must have had some Asian components and probably some of the other components such as Arctic and Siberian, but once I look at the Maya population from Li et al. (HGDP) I see that they don’t have any of the Asian components. I had overlooked that. Hopefully a new study comes out that includes more Amerindian groups of Mexico and a higher number of subjects. Until then it looks as though all of the Asian components need to be included with the Spanish/Iberian ancestry or attributed to other ancestors.
Of course, the above means I incorrectly added the Asian to the Amerindian. I hadn’t looked closely enough at the spreadsheet and had assumed that a lot of Asian components would have went with the Siberians into North Central and South America. These components are from the past 50,000 years in which multiple waves of people migrated to different parts of Asia, Middle East, and Europe and the Asians went to the Americas 20,000 years ago which I why I had assumed some of those components went with the Siberians to the Americas.
Now let’s look at what Spencer Wells of Geno 2.0 has to say about the Amerindian, Mongolian, and the Iberian populations at https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-clos…
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AMERINDIAN (MEXICO)
This reference population is based on samples collected from regions in central Mexico. These are the descendants of the original settlers of the Americas over 15,000 years ago, accounting for the 83% Native American percentage. The 5% Northern European, 4% Mediterranean, 3% Southwest Asian come from recent migrations to the Americas by Europeans over the past 500 years. The 4% Northeast Asian component is reflective of the origins of the Native Americans in northeastern Asia over 20,000 years ago
MONGOLIAN
This reference population is based on samples collected from the native populations of Mongolia. In addition to the 67% Northeast Asian component typical of Siberian and Mongolian populations, there is also a western Eurasian contribution of 12% Southwest Asian, and 6% Northern European, which shows the connection to steppe nomads of western Eurasian origin, as well as migrations from the Middle East with the spread of agriculture over the past 10,000 years, along with some recent migration from Russian populations. The 9% Southeast Asian component is likely a result of admixture with groups further to the south, such as the Chinese. The 4% Native American component reflects the fact that the ancestors of today’s Native Americans probably originated in this region.
IBERIAN (SPAIN & PORTUGAL)
This reference population is based on samples collected from people native to Spain and Portugal. The 48% Mediterranean and 13% Southwest Asian percentages reflect the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived here more than 8,000 years ago. The 37% Northern European component likely comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earliest settlers, who arrived more than 35,000 years ago during the Upper Paleolithic period. Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe.
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So as you can see he also shows the Amerindian have the Northeast Asian component. Mongolians have Southwest Asian, apart from other Asian components, Native American, and even the Northern European component. The Iberians to have a significant amount of Asian ancestry. You also have to take into consideration that Spencer divides Asians into 3 and not 4 ancestral components like Dienekes Pontikos did with Dodecad Globe13.
I agree that our Spanish ancestors aren’t all going to have been like the population group that I used as the comparison group. However since it should be an average of what they are today then I think is the best option especially considering that our ancestors were from all over Spain including many that were from the Basque Country. Yes, Spanish and Portuguese have some ancestors that were Jews and Moors. Some have more than others. They would have admixed over the centuries. All of those ethnic groups were admixed already with many of the same components as the Spanish_D and none consisted of a single component. Our Iberian ancestors would have been a mix of the Portuguese and Spanish that had already had the admixture of the Jews and Moors as well as any other ethnic group. Yes, the Spanish and Portuguese might have changed some over the past 500 years but it shouldn’t have been large since the autosomal components based on SNPs are from 50,000 years ago to 8,000 years ago for all of the groups. It isn’t as if the markers that are from that far back would have changed so drastically over just 500 years. Scientists are even using the autosomal markers of ancient remains to provide clues of where which groups originally had which autosomal markers. They point to Otzi the Iceman for clues to our past - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi#Genetic_analysis and autosomal results from such specimens are used in the DNA databases of the commercial companies. I’ll use the Y-DNA haplogroups as an analogy for the markers not changing. The R1b marker still exists from more than 10,000 years ago in Mexicans that descend from Spaniards that populated Mexico 400 or more years ago. Some of those families might have created new subclades but the ancestral marker is not lost. They are still R1b regardless. This is also the most common among Iberians and it is also the most common among Mexicans that have a European paternal line. The same goes with the few Mexicans that have a female European line. They have the most common Spanish mtDNA. Therefore, our Spanish ancestors shouldn’t be that different from the modern Spaniard. Only time will tell for sure. We might not be around when they figure that out. Even so from now, as far as the components, I will focus on commenting that the North European and Mediterranean is high in Iberians and they also have Asian components, the Amerindian is self-named, the African is partially from our Iberian ancestors and directly from Africa for some portion for some people.
Of course there should be flexibility. I am not saying the components should be assigned to the ethnic or geographic groups exactly as I analyzed. I’ve acknowledged my error on the assignment of the Asian components. The assignment of the ancestral components to ethnic groups was my attempt to correct assignment of ethnic labels from FTDNA Population Finder, 23andme, or even Geno 2.0. Dienekes made multiple calculators until he came up with Globe13 which showed to be the best fit. FTDNA admits that Population Finder is in Beta but they assign too much of our components to Middle Eastern population groups. It’s one thing to say they have the Middle Eastern component but yet another to say a person belonged to a specific ethnic group from that region when there is no history of it in the person’s ancestry. They provide labels as to which population group the person likely has ancestry from without taking into consideration the person’s real ancestry or that it looks like they belong to those population groups only because the other ethnic groups also have some of the same ancestral components from 8,000 to 50,000 years ago that have been passed down to both the person’s autosomal DNA and to the ethnic group. Geno 2.0 will probably end up saying you match some other population best and Mexican second if at all. They said one subject is Bulgarian even though they show that she has 35% Native American and Bulgarians have none and all of her other components are within 2% of their Mexican population group. Regardless, Geno 2.0 and Globe13 with the FTDNA raw data file are still the best because they provide their reference population groups and which components those reference population groups contain. FTDNA Population Finder does not do that and 23andme does only provides how many subjects match a certain component. 23andme won’t provide all of the components an ethnic group contains. Geno 2.0 also provides the age and origin of each ancestral component which none of the other do.
My main objective was getting knowledge about what Geno 2.0 and Globe13 have to offer to our group and the failings of FTDNA Population Finder. Everyone can use Globe13, read the source population group data, and decide for themselves what they think they consist of. Hopefully once more data is available from more studies the picture will become clearer.
By the way, the DIY Dodecad 2.1 Wrapper has been updated to use also analyze Geno 2.0 and Ancestry.com files. It can be downloaded at http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/
I was able to use a Geno 2.0 file and here are the results –
Geno Component Globe13 Component Geno Reults Globe13 Results
Northern_European North_European 18 16.36
Mediterranean Mediterranean 28 24.74
Native_American Amerindian 35 35.21
n/a Arctic 0 3.42
Northeast_Asian East_Asian 2 0.42
n/a Siberian 0 0.52
n/a Arctic 0 0
Southern_African Palaeo_African 0 0
Oceanian Australasian 0 0.37
Sub-Saharan_African West_African 6 5.98
n/a East_African 0 0
Southwest_Asian Southwest_Asian 10 4.04
n/a West_Asian 0 7.59
n/a South_Asian 0 0.26
Southeast_Asian South_Asian 0 0
East_Asian 0 0
Total Total 99 98.91

Basically the Globe13 North European, Mediterranean, and Amerindian will be very close your Geno 2.0 results. Your Globe13 West Asian and Southwest Asian will mostly be part of your Geno 2.0 Southwest Asian result.

Saludos,
Armando

Familia Machain en Santa Maria de los Lagos

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Hola miembros de "Nuestros Ranchos"
He estado estudiando la familia Machain de Santa Maria de los Lagos y no
encuentro los padres de Nicolas Machain casado con Josefa González
alrededor de 1745

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Published by Bill Figueroa – Sat, 2013-02-16 12:00 | Permalink

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Hola Mario,

En el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos de Guadalajara, Jal. México se encuentra el "nombramiento de Don Phelipe de Otadui y Avendaño, Alcalde Mayor de Santa María de los Lagos y Pueblos Llanos, fechado 3 de diciembre de 1686, durante el tiempo que sierviere dicho oficio" el cual fue firmado por Don Antonio Ortiz de Otalora. En otro documento en el mismo archivo se menciona que el Capt. Don Phelipe de Otadui y Avendaño era Alcalde Mayor de la Villa de Lagos en 1690.

En el Portal de Archivos Españoles (PARES) se encuentra un archivo con fecha 1687-06-12 que dice lo siguiente:

"Expediente de información y licencia de pasajero a indias de Felipe Otaduy y Avendaño, alcalde mayor de Santa María de los Lagos y Pueblos Llanos en
la provincia de Nueva Galicia, a Nueva España, con las siguientes personas:

- Catalina Baño y de la Cueva, mujer
- Luisa de Otaduy, hija
- Manuel Tacón, criado, natural de Madrid
- Ignacio Machain, criado, natural de Urmausteri (Guipúzcoa) Fecha final."

El General Felipe de Otadui y Avendaño falleció en Aguascalientes el 26 Jun 1722, donde otorgó poder a su esposa Da. Catharina Manuela del Baño y de la Cueva y Contreras.

Con esos datos podemos suponer que Ignacio Machain vivió en Nueva Galicia durante la época que Don Felipe de Otadui y Avendaño era Alcalde Mayor de Santa María de los Lagos. Existe una partida de bautizo fechada 17 de julio de 1696 que dice que Ignacio Machain y su esposa Maria De Cuesta Ybarra bautizaron a un hijo a quien dieron el nombre de Ignacio Joseph, y un año mas tarde, el 10 de noviembre de 1697, a un segundo a quien llamaron Nicolás Antonio Machain. Ambos fueron bautizados en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara.

Este segundo hijo Nicolás Antonio Machain podría ser el que contrajo matrimonio con Josepha González, con mayor razón si este fuera un segundo matrimonio. Sin embargo, estoy de acuerdo contigo que es mas probable que Nicolas haya sido nieto y no hijo de Ignacio Machain. Nicolás y Josepha tuvieron varios hijos, entre ellos:

- Ignacio Antonio, bautizado el 22 Apr 1745 en Santa María de los Lagos.
- María Justina, bautizada el 1 Oct 1756 en Santa María de los Lagos.
- Juana María, bautizada el 21 Mar 1759 en Santa María de los Lagos.
- Theresa, casada con Joseph Pantaleón Murguia el 10 Feb 1784 en Santa María de los Lagos.
- María de la Luz, casada con Joseph de Leos el 20 Aug 1785 en Santa María de los Lagos.
- Manuel Guadalupe, casada con María Ana Romero el 12 May 1781 en Santa María de los Lagos.

Lo anterior solo es para darte una idea desde mi punto de vista. Creo que existen muchos documentos que pueden ayudarte a encontrar los datos que buscas. Buena suerte.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Machain en Santa Maria de los Lagos

Hola miembros de "Nuestros Ranchos"
He estado estudiando la familia Machain de Santa Maria de los Lagos y no
encuentro los padres de Nicolas Machain casado con Josefa González
alrededor de 1745. Sospecho
que este Nicolas Machain era nieto del primer Ignacio Machain que vino
de España en 1688 acompañando a Felipe de Otaduy; este Felipe fue Alcalde de
Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Gracias por la orientacion que me puedan dar.

Mario Gonzalez.

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Gracias Bill, es muy valiosa tu informacion, me servira para seguir
investigando.

En la lista que envias de hijos de Nicolas Machain y Josepha González
falta mi ancestro Nicolas Vicente Machain casado en primeras
nupcias con Theresa Romo de Vivar el 30 de abril de 1775 y en segundas
nupcias con Mariana Leos (mi ancestra) el 17 de enero de 1800.

Hay otra familia Machain que si vivio en Santa Maria de los Lagos, los
padres eran Juan Ysidro Machain y Teresa de Anda, pero tampoco
esta vinculado ningun Nicolas con esta familia y tampoco a Ignacio Machain.

Como mencionas, quizas lo mas probable es que Nicolas, esposo de
Josepha, sea descendiente de Nicolas Antonio Machain.

Hasta luego, reitero mi agradecimiento.

Mario Gonzalez.

El 16/02/2013 12:57, Bill Figueroa escribió:
> Hola Mario,
>
> En el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos de Guadalajara, Jal. México se encuentra el "nombramiento de Don Phelipe de Otadui y Avendaño, Alcalde Mayor de Santa María de los Lagos y Pueblos Llanos, fechado 3 de diciembre de 1686, durante el tiempo que sierviere dicho oficio" el cual fue firmado por Don Antonio Ortiz de Otalora. En otro documento en el mismo archivo se menciona que el Capt. Don Phelipe de Otadui y Avendaño era Alcalde Mayor de la Villa de Lagos en 1690.
>
> En el Portal de Archivos Españoles (PARES) se encuentra un archivo con fecha 1687-06-12 que dice lo siguiente:
>
> "Expediente de información y licencia de pasajero a indias de Felipe Otaduy y Avendaño, alcalde mayor de Santa María de los Lagos y Pueblos Llanos en
> la provincia de Nueva Galicia, a Nueva España, con las siguientes personas:
>
> - Catalina Baño y de la Cueva, mujer
> - Luisa de Otaduy, hija
> - Manuel Tacón, criado, natural de Madrid
> - Ignacio Machain, criado, natural de Urmausteri (Guipúzcoa) Fecha final."
>
> El General Felipe de Otadui y Avendaño falleció en Aguascalientes el 26 Jun 1722, donde otorgó poder a su esposa Da. Catharina Manuela del Baño y de la Cueva y Contreras.
>
> Con esos datos podemos suponer que Ignacio Machain vivió en Nueva Galicia durante la época que Don Felipe de Otadui y Avendaño era Alcalde Mayor de Santa María de los Lagos. Existe una partida de bautizo fechada 17 de julio de 1696 que dice que Ignacio Machain y su esposa Maria De Cuesta Ybarra bautizaron a un hijo a quien dieron el nombre de Ignacio Joseph, y un año mas tarde, el 10 de noviembre de 1697, a un segundo a quien llamaron Nicolás Antonio Machain. Ambos fueron bautizados en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara.
>
> Este segundo hijo Nicolás Antonio Machain podría ser el que contrajo matrimonio con Josepha González, con mayor razón si este fuera un segundo matrimonio. Sin embargo, estoy de acuerdo contigo que es mas probable que Nicolas haya sido nieto y no hijo de Ignacio Machain. Nicolás y Josepha tuvieron varios hijos, entre ellos:
>
> - Ignacio Antonio, bautizado el 22 Apr 1745 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> - María Justina, bautizada el 1 Oct 1756 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> - Juana María, bautizada el 21 Mar 1759 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> - Theresa, casada con Joseph Pantaleón Murguia el 10 Feb 1784 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> - María de la Luz, casada con Joseph de Leos el 20 Aug 1785 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> - Manuel Guadalupe, casada con María Ana Romero el 12 May 1781 en Santa María de los Lagos.
>
> Lo anterior solo es para darte una idea desde mi punto de vista. Creo que existen muchos documentos que pueden ayudarte a encontrar los datos que buscas. Buena suerte.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mario
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:20 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Machain en Santa Maria de los Lagos
>
>
> Hola miembros de "Nuestros Ranchos"
> He estado estudiando la familia Machain de Santa Maria de los Lagos y no
> encuentro los padres de Nicolas Machain casado con Josefa González
> alrededor de 1745. Sospecho
> que este Nicolas Machain era nieto del primer Ignacio Machain que vino
> de España en 1688 acompañando a Felipe de Otaduy; este Felipe fue Alcalde de
> Santa Maria de los Lagos.
>
> Gracias por la orientacion que me puedan dar.
>
> Mario Gonzalez.
>
>
>
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Hace unos meses inicie la búsqueda de los padres de mi ancestro Nicolás Machain, casado con Josefa González (ignoro la fecha de casamiento) quiero compartir con los miembros del foro lo que he encontrado:

Ignacio Machain, originario de Guipúzcoa España llego a Nueva Galicia en 1687 acompañando a Felipe de Otaduy alcalde designado de Santa María de los Lagos.
Ignacio Machain se casa el 11 se septiembre de 1695 con María de Cuesta y Gallo teniendo entre otros hijos a Ignacio José Machain Cuesta y a Nicolás Antonio Machain Ibarra, este ultimo fue capellán de coro de la catedral de Guadalajara, el primer hijo Ignacio José se caso el 2 de febrero de 1717 con Teresa Sermeño hija de del regidor de Santa María de los Lagos Martin Vázquez Zermeño y de María Rodríguez Portugal.

En la información de matrimonial de Ignacio Machain Cuesta y Teresa Sermeño (o Vázquez Zermeño) Teresa manifiesta ser originaria de la hacienda de San Salvador.

Los hijos de mi ancestro Nicolás Machain casado con Josefa González tuvieron a dos hijos que en sus fes de bautismo dicen ser originarios de San Salvador.

hice una búsqueda exhaustiva de todos las personas de apellido Machain nacidas en Santa María de los Lagos alrededor de 1720 y 1750 y solo encontré dos núcleos, los nacidos en San Juanico (de apellido Machain De Anda) y los nacidos en San Salvador (de apellido Machain González).

Mi hipótesis es que Nicolás Machain era hijo de Ignacio José Machain Cuesta y Teresa Sermeño.

Otro echo, además de los sitios de nacimiento, es que una hija de Nicolás y Josefa
llamada María Justina Machain González en su fe de bautismo los padrinos fueron José Marcos Zermeño y María Guerra, es decir José Vázquez Zermeño y su esposa María Encarnación Guerra de la Torre, José era hermano de Teresa Sermeño.

Podemos decir entonces que mi hipótesis es muy fuerte y casi un echo.

Espero que esta información le sirva a otros miembros del Nuestros Ranchos y que mi hipótesis sea reforzada o desechada.

Agradezco a Bill Figueroa su ayuda prestada al inicio de mi búsqueda.

ATTE
Mario González Gómez Portugal
México, D.F.

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Hace unos meses inicie la búsqueda de los padres de mi ancestro Nicolás
Machain, casado con Josefa González (ignoro la fecha de casamiento) quiero
compartir con los miembros del foro lo que he encontrado:

Ignacio Machain, originario de Guipúzcoa España llego a Nueva Galicia en
1687 acompañando a Felipe de Otaduy alcalde designado de Santa María de los
Lagos.
Ignacio Machain se casa el 11 se septiembre de 1695 con María de Cuesta y
Gallo teniendo entre otros hijos a Ignacio José Machain Cuesta y a Nicolás
Antonio Machain Ibarra, este ultimo fue capellán de coro de la catedral de
Guadalajara, el primer hijo Ignacio José se caso el 2 de febrero de 1717
con Teresa Sermeño hija de del regidor de Santa María de los Lagos Martin
Vázquez Zermeño y de María Rodríguez Portugal.

En la información de matrimonial de Ignacio Machain Cuesta y Teresa Sermeño
(o Vázquez Zermeño) Teresa manifiesta ser originaria de la hacienda de San
Salvador.

Los hijos de mi ancestro Nicolás Machain casado con Josefa González
tuvieron a dos hijos que en sus fes de bautismo dicen ser originarios de
San Salvador.

hice una búsqueda exhaustiva de todos las personas de apellido Machain
nacidas en Santa María de los Lagos alrededor de 1720 y 1750 y solo
encontré dos núcleos, los nacidos en San Juanico (de apellido Machain De
Anda) y los nacidos en San Salvador (de apellido Machain González).

Mi hipótesis es que Nicolás Machain era hijo de Ignacio José Machain Cuesta
y Teresa Sermeño.

Otro echo, además de los sitios de nacimiento, es que una hija de Nicolás y
Josefa
llamada María Justina Machain González en su fe de bautismo los padrinos
fueron José Marcos Zermeño y María Guerra, es decir José Vázquez Zermeño y
su esposa María Encarnación Guerra de la Torre, José era hermano de Teresa
Sermeño.

Podemos decir entonces que mi hipótesis es muy fuerte y casi un echo.

Espero que esta información le sirva a otros miembros del Nuestros Ranchos
y que mi hipótesis sea reforzada o desechada.

Agradezco a Bill Figueroa su ayuda prestada al inicio de mi búsqueda.

ATTE
Mario González Gómez Portugal
México, D.F.

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Mario,
Puedes enviarme la acta de casamiento de Ignacio Macháin y María de Cuesta Ibarra y Gallo? No tenía ese dato. Has podido identificar los padres de María? También tengo Juan Isidro Macháin y Cuesta quien casó Teresa María de Anda Altamirano el 19 de febrero de 1720 en Santa María de los Lagos. Tuvieron dos hijas Catarina de Sena Macháin bautizada el 17 de mayo de 1722 y Francisca Xaviera Macháin el 19 de julio de 1725 ambas en Santa María de los Lagos. Catarina Macháin casó el 23 de octubro de 1744 en la misma parroquia con Bernardo Mariano de Villegas y Macías Valadés hijo legítimo de Juan de Villegas e Isabel Macías Valadés.
P.S. Podías enviarme su línea de Gómez Portugal, soy descendiente de la misma família varias veces.
Attentamente,Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSão Paulo, SP, Brasil

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Hola Daniel, te mando la fe de matrimonio de Ignacio Machain y María de la
Cuesta y Gayo, indica los padres de Ignacio y de María.
Sospecho que María también era originaria de Guipúzcoa ya que los Machain
en España mantenían relaciones con familias del apellido de la Cuesta. No
sabia que el segundo apellido de Juan Isidro era Cuesta, si es así entonces
es Hermano de mi Abuelo Ignacio.

Isidro Machain tubo tres hijas no dos, te falto incluir a María Dolores
Machain de Anda bautizada el 11 de mayo de 1727 en Lagos.
Dolores se caso con José Manuel Espitia el 27 de nov de 1752 en Lagos.

Mi apellido realmente es solo Gómez y llego hasta el matrimonio de Juan
Gómez casado con María de Jesús Ornelas alrededor de 1850, originarios
de Lagos de Moreno, pero por otras ramas si entronco con los Gómez
de Portugal por medio de Manuel, Ana y Juan, hijos de Diego Gómez de
Portugal y María García de Arrona, estoy pensando en cambiar mi apellido en
honor a mis abuelos.

No he encontrado nada acerca del matrimonio de Juan Gómez y María de Jesús
Ornelas, que me aconsejas?

Saludos.

El 30 de septiembre de 2013 13:11, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> escribió:

>
> Mario,
> Puedes enviarme la acta de casamiento de Ignacio Macháin y María de Cuesta
> Ibarra y Gallo? No tenía ese dato. Has podido identificar los padres de
> María? También tengo Juan Isidro Macháin y Cuesta quien casó Teresa María
> de Anda Altamirano el 19 de febrero de 1720 en Santa María de los Lagos.
> Tuvieron dos hijas Catarina de Sena Macháin bautizada el 17 de mayo de 1722
> y Francisca Xaviera Macháin el 19 de julio de 1725 ambas en Santa María de
> los Lagos. Catarina Macháin casó el 23 de octubro de 1744 en la misma
> parroquia con Bernardo Mariano de Villegas y Macías Valadés hijo legítimo
> de Juan de Villegas e Isabel Macías Valadés.
> P.S. Podías enviarme su línea de Gómez Portugal, soy descendiente de la
> misma família varias veces.
> Attentamente,Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSão Paulo, SP, Brasil

Espinosa and araujo 1758 SLP armadillo de los infante

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Hi

Can anyone tell me the names of the groom's parents in this matrimonio? Its the last entry on the left hand page. It looks like his last name is different from his parents...

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Historical information for southeast Laguna Chapala region, Jalisco

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Does anyone know what books cover the colonial history of the municipalities of Jalisco that are near the southeast shoreline of Laguna Chapala?

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Published by longsjourney – Mon, 2013-09-23 17:00 | Permalink

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I have no answer for you but if you find where Cotija is listed in the records for Michoacán I would be interested.. so many people in Tamazula, Jalisco seem to have roots in Cotija.
Linda in B.C.

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Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical information for southeast Laguna Chapala region, Jalisco

Does anyone know what books cover the colonial history of the municipalities of Jalisco that are near the southeast shoreline of Laguna Chapala? The municipalities that are of greatest interest to me are Mazamitla, Quitupan, and Valle de Juarez, Jalisco. Those municipalities are close to Sahuayo, and Cotija, Michoacan. My historical research of the area has come up dry. Not much more could be said for my genealogical research of the area, either. I also want to know what clans settled in those three Jalisco municipalities and how Valle de Juarez came to be. I have already read the Wikipedia article, but the level of detail was cursory at best. The links on the article were outdated.

If anyone knows of any resource that describes this area in detail, I would much appreciate it. Thanks!

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Check out Peter Gerhard's "The Northern Frontier of New Spain" - which
is essentially about Nueva Galicia and Nueva Vizcaya and very detailed
about each area.

JOHN SCHMAL
johnnypj@aol.com

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Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical information for southeast
Laguna Chapala region, Jalisco

I have no answer for you but if you find where Cotija is listed in the
records for Michoacán I would be interested.. so many people in
Tamazula, Jalisco seem to have roots in Cotija.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: "jrodori@hotmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical information for southeast
Laguna Chapala region, Jalisco

Does anyone know what books cover the colonial history of the
municipalities of Jalisco that are near the southeast shoreline of
Laguna Chapala? The municipalities that are of greatest interest to me
are Mazamitla, Quitupan, and Valle de Juarez, Jalisco. Those
municipalities are close to Sahuayo, and Cotija, Michoacan. My
historical research of the area has come up dry. Not much more could be
said for my genealogical research of the area, either. I also want to
know what clans settled in those three Jalisco municipalities and how
Valle de Juarez came to be. I have already read the Wikipedia article,
but the level of detail was cursory at best. The links on the article
were outdated.

If anyone knows of any resource that describes this area in detail, I
would much appreciate it. Thanks!

The word "Vale" in Jalisco

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I am interested in finding more information on the word "Vale" and its origin. I can remember hearing the word "vale" around the house. The word "vale" is used when referring to someone.

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Published by Ale Velasco Jimenez – Sun, 2013-09-29 21:02 | Permalink

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Alejandra Varela.... I agree with the other comments i think is use to refer just a friend.. in Poncitlan Jalisco was the first place i heard it... they say it a LOT there..

Published by ROHdez – Tue, 2013-05-07 16:12 | Permalink

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Gilberto,

Mr. Navarro is correct, it means..."Valedor"(Friend), I migth be wrong, but as far as I know, the word "Vale" is very much used in Michoacan, I never heard anyone from Jalisco, Sinaloa or Nayarit used it, but then there could be execptions. I grew up in the Cienega Michoacana region, near La Barca Jalisco (which belongs to the Cienega Jaliciense region, south of Los Altos region) and I remember some people refer to others as "Vale"; also "Primo" & "Compa" are very common in that region.

Saludos,
Roberto Hdez

Published by Armando – Mon, 2013-05-06 22:05 | Permalink

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I have never heard friends or family from Jalisco say Quiubole Vale, Ándale Vale, Mira Vale, or Ese Vale.

It does seem to be a very rare slang word. It doesn't even show up in dictionaries of Mexicanismos, Modismos Mexicanos, or Terminos Mexicanos.

Armando

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Mon, 2013-05-06 20:35 | Permalink

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If it is used when referring to someone, I guess it might be an abbreviation of "valedor" (according to the RAE dictionary, someone who protects someone else), which was a synonym of "friend", "dude", etc. in Mexico City I would say probably around the 1950's. I think it appears in the films by Pedro Infante, Tin-Tan, etc.(soy tu valedor).

It is indeed also a synonym of OK. Spaniards say just "vale" and Mexicans "sale y vale".

It also may mean someone doesn't care or give a damn, as in "me vale", "le vale", being an abbreviation of the phrase with the word "madres" at the end, which in this case is used as a synonym of "something insignificant".

Victoriano Navarro

LDS Family search and Family Tree

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David here. I have a question about The LDS Family Tree online. Has anyone used this. Please post your experience with it please post your opinion.

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Published by Ale Velasco Jimenez – Sun, 2013-09-29 20:56 | Permalink

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Alejandra Varela...I use my FS is the only place i use now to keep track of my information and i love the new updates they have done... where you can link the document so there's no more confusing of dates and all that... and their website is where i have been able to find a lot of ancestor and link them together. I would recommend it :).

i hope this helps.

Published by alora69 – Wed, 2013-05-29 08:16 | Permalink

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I have a tree on family search, since I am a member of the church that is the only way to add my family name to have their work done. But I have a main tree on genealogy.com and also have two trees, my mom's side and my dad's side, on tribalpages.com I use the family search tree only for the church. It's not that bad of a tree and when you sign up for it it will ask if you are a member of the church or not.

Published by magicalme – Sun, 2013-05-19 23:08 | Permalink

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Hello David,

Although I use FS all the time and it helps me considerably in my research, I
have not used the family tree. I have actually just started mine and edited my profile and my husband, and that is all for now. I do plan on creating my tree there on FS eventually. My family tree is on Ancestry.com.

Sorry I could not be more helpful,

Kristine

late 1700s and early 1800s

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Anybody know where I can find information about Juchipila, Zacatecas, in the late 1700s and early 1800s?
Thanks,

Raul Luna

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Published by blankcast75 – Fri, 2013-09-27 18:42 | Permalink

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That is so crazy, Raul. I have just spent the last 2 hours looking and hoping for just that information on family search. I finally gave up and came to nuestros ranchos, and yours is the first post I see :) May I ask what family names you are looking for during that time in Juchipila?
Sandra Blankinship

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HI, Sandra..my oldest grandfather, Pablo Luna and his wife, Rosalia Estrada, were born about 1780, married about 1800, and first child was born abt 1804. Their children were Pantaleon, my ggg grandfather, his brother Felipe, and sister Eustaquia Estrada Luna. Most of this Luna family came for Amoxochitl, Juchipila, Zacatecas. What names are you looking for? Saludos, Raul

From: "blankinship2@suddenlink.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] late 1700s and early 1800s

That is so crazy, Raul. I have just spent the last 2 hours looking and hoping for just that information on family search. I finally gave up and came to nuestros ranchos, and yours is the first post I see :) May I ask what family names you are looking for during that time in Juchipila?  Sandra Blankinship

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Hi Raul - I am reasearching the names - Castañeda and Flores. Primarily Castañeda, and really looking at Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. To be honest, I'm not even sure I should be looking in Juchipila. My great grandfather, Hilario Castañeda, was born in Moyahua in 1867 to a Manuel Castañeda and Secundina Yñiguez. The paternal grandparents were listed as Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any records for a Manuel Castañeda in Moyahua (no birth, marriage, or death records). There are only birth and marriage records for his children which show Rafael and Simona as the paternal grandparents. I started looking in Mezquital del Oro because that is where Hilario eventually ended up but was not able to find anything there. Then one day, I found several indexed marriage records in Juchipila listing a Domingo Castañeda, son of Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. I thought maybe the reason I was not finding anything for Manuel or Rafael in Moyahua was because MAYBE they came from Juchipila, and this Domingo is Manuel's brother, but the records for the years I need to research this further are missing. That is why I would also be happy to find the records from the late 1700s to early 1800s.
Saludos, Sandra

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Hi,Sandra...I have some Castanedas in my family tree..they are on my gggrandfather's brother, Felipe Estrada Luna branch. I have a Luis, abt 1815 married to a Benitez Ochoa; son, Jose Ma. Ochoa Castaneda married to a Francisca Rubalcava Torres; then a Castulo Torres Castaneda married to a Ma. Reyes Cobarubbias Luna;with Maria Teresa and Amada Castaneda as daughters. Juchipila, Moyahua, M de Oro, Apostol, and some of the other small areas around could possibly have your ancestors. I have been surprised where I have found some of my relatives..I will keep an eye out for those names you mentioned, since I search just about every day.. Saludos, Raul

From: "blankinship2@suddenlink.net"
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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] late 1700s and early

Hi Raul - I am reasearching the names - Castañeda and Flores. Primarily Castañeda, and really looking at Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. To be honest, I'm not even sure I should be looking in Juchipila. My great grandfather, Hilario Castañeda, was born in Moyahua in 1867 to a Manuel Castañeda and Secundina Yñiguez. The paternal grandparents were listed as Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any records for a Manuel Castañeda in Moyahua (no birth, marriage, or death records). There are only birth and marriage records for his children which show Rafael and Simona as the paternal grandparents. I started looking in Mezquital del Oro because that is where Hilario eventually ended up but was not able to find anything there. Then one day, I found several indexed marriage records in Juchipila listing a Domingo Castañeda, son of Rafael Castañeda and Simona Flores. I thought maybe the reason I was not
finding anything for Manuel
or Rafael in Moyahua was because MAYBE they came from Juchipila, and this Domingo is Manuel's brother, but the records for the years I need to research this further are missing. That is why I would also be happy to find the records from  the late 1700s to early 1800s.
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ESTE ES EL LINK, ESPERO Y TE SIRVA EN TÚ BUSQUEDA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-25859-37?cc=1410092&wc…

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: RaulV1@Prodigy.net
> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:33:23 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] late 1700s and early 1800s
>
> Anybody know where I can find information about Juchipila, Zacatecas, in the late 1700s and early 1800s?
> Thanks,
>
> Raul Luna

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Irene..where did you find this particular page..I can't seem to locate it anyplace. Thanks, I have been busy looking..but, no luck so far..Raul

From: ROCIO IRENE PADILLA C
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:37 PM
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ESTE ES EL LINK, ESPERO Y TE SIRVA EN TÚ BUSQUEDA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-25859-37?cc=1410092&wc…

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: RaulV1@Prodigy.net
> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:33:23 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] late 1700s and early 1800s
>
> Anybody know where I can find information about Juchipila, Zacatecas, in the late 1700s and early 1800s?
> Thanks,
>
> Raul Luna

Cabesa de Baca surname in Jalisco

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My ancestors descend back in to the Cabesa de Baca surname in the southern cities Of Ocotlan, Jamay, and La Barca, Jalisco. Are there any members with ancestry in this part of the state? My direct anc

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Published by Nepomuceno – Thu, 2008-08-07 11:57 | Permalink

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Hola, Daniel:

Esta es mi primer participacion en Nuestros Ranchos pues no he encontrado participantes investigando el apellido Bojorquez que por ahora es de mi interes.

Vivo en Richmond, CA, donde no hay un Centro de la Iglesia cercano a mi domicilio como para asistir y recibir el apoyo y orientacion para investigar sobre estos mis ancestros Bojorquez. Bueno, hay uno en Concord, creo, pero no tengo tiempo para asistir debido a mi trabajo diario, de lunes a sabado; el domingo?, bueno, el domingo siempre esta saturado de los pendientes familiares, compras, etc., ... cosas que no pudieron hacerse durante la semana.

Sin embargo, sigo diariamente los mensajes del grupo de Nuestros Ranchos, todos los cuales son sumamente interesantes sin importar el topico que aborden. Hay miembros sumamente preparados y experimentados de los que mucho hay que aprender: es avasallador, para los que como yo no tenemos experiencia en la investigacion genealogica, el despliegue de conocimientos que algunos exhiben, y verdaderamente cautivadora y dignas de imitar, la humildad y solidaridad con que transmiten sus conocimientos!

Daniel, me llamo la atencion que estes investigando sobre el apellido Cabeza de Vaca.

Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca vino de Espana en la malograda expedicion de Panfilo de Narvaez a la Florida en 1528. De 300 personas que se adentraron en tierra firme en aquel entonces, solo aparecieron 4 en 1536 en la Provincia de Sinaloa entonces gobernada por Beltran Nuno de Guzman. Entre los cuatro naufragos que aparecieron en el actual Sinaloa se hallaba Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca quien posteriormente relataria su experiencia en un libro ahora titulado "Naufragios".

Alvar, permanecio unos pocos meses en la Nueva Espana y partio a Espana para no volver a pisar las tierras hoy mexicanas. Posteriormente le fue autorizado por el Rey ir a conquistar las tierras del Paraguay, experiencia que tampoco le fue placentera a Alvar pues afecto intereses entonces creados y volvio preso a su Patria para morir despues en la pobreza (su experiencia en sudamerica la dejo escrita en un trabajo hoy brevemente titulado "Comentarios" (ambos, Naufragios y Comentarios, los publica Editorial Porrua en un solo volumen de la Coleccion "Sepan Cuantos...". Igual los podras encontrar en una de tantas Bibliotecas Digitales en el Internet)

Toda esta introduccion para preguntarte: has encontrado un parentezco de tus ancestros Cabeza de Vaca con este personaje que menciono? Si es asi, pudieras describirla?

Saludos y exito en tus investigaciones.

Luis Bojorquez

PD: desconozco si este mensaje sera exhibido a la totalidad de miembros; si es asi, un saludo y exito para todos!

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Tarde mas de 44 semanas para animarme a participar y seguida de mi primer participacion del dia de hoy sobre el apellido Cabeza de Vaca, estoy aqui de nuevo.

Aparte del interes en la genealogia de los Bojorquez (y tambien Cecena, olvide decir), me inicio en las lecturas de las primeras entradas de los conquistadores espanoles al occidente y noroeste mexicanos (obviado comentario en mi anterior mensaje).

Dicho lo cual, me gustaria preguntar especialmente a aquellos que investigan el apellido Guzman y han profundizado en ello, e igual a los conocedores e investigadores de la genealogia de los primeros espanoles en Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes:

Cual era el parentezco entre Nuno Beltran de Guzman (Gobernador y Capitan General, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia), Diego de Guzman (Capitan en la entrada de las huestes de Nuno Beltran de Guzman que llegaron a descubrir el Rio Yaqui en Sonora) y Pedro de Guzman (que enviado tambien por el mencionado Nuno Beltran de Guzman, descubrio las Islas Marias frente a las costas de Nayarit aunque sin poder desembarcar por falta de jarcias y ancla adecuadas)?

He leido que, al menos, Diego de Guzman era sobrino de Nuno Beltran de Guzman pero no se explica por que.

Un saludo cordial a todos Ustedes.

Luis Bojorquez
ocoroni64@hotmail.com

PD: si gustan, aquellos que puedan orientarme o dar respuesta a mis preguntas, pueden dirigirse directamente a mi correo pues me temo que pudiera estar distrayendo la atencion genealogica del grupo.

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Sí sé que los Guzmán son de sangre real de los reyes de Castilla. -Daniel

Yo descendo de Rey Alfonso V ó sea VI quien pienso fue el oó su padre que se caso con una princesa de León, unos de sus nietos tomaron el título de Señorío de Guzmán. Los hijos tomaron
el apellido de Guzmán a notar su lugar de nobleza. Práctica común por los españoles.
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Daniel:

Gracias por levantar y dar respuestas a mis mensajes (Apellidos "De Guzman", y Cabeza de Vaca).

En una carta dirigida al Rey, probablemente en 1532, Nuno Beltran de Guzman le informa que a nombrado a Diego de Guzman regidor de la Villa de San Miguel (en ese tiempo sobre el rio San Lorenzo y despues trasladada a Culiacan, ambos en Sinaloa) del que dice "..., ques natural de Toledo, hijo de Hernan Perez de Guzman, ...". ["La Rebelion de Nueva Galicia" de Jose Lopez Portillo y Weber, pag. 10]

Mas adelante, en pag. 11, dice: "Son mas rregidores, Nuno de Guzman, ques mi debdo, ...". Es decir que Nuno Beltran de Guzman, el Capitan General y Gobernador de la Nueva Galicia, tenia ademas a un homonimo nombrado como regidor y del cual decia que era su deudo (pariente, segun el diccionario de la RAE).

Esto nos trae un "de Guzman" mas en esos primerisimos an~os de la Nueva Galicia; ya no son tres, ahora serian cuatro: Nuno Beltran de Guzman, Diego de Guzman, Pedro de Guzman y Nuno de Guzman (pariente de Nuno Beltran de Guzman).

Ojala que alguno de los que han y esten investigado este apellido (Guzman), bien arraigado en el area de lo que fue la Nueva Galicia, nos puedan decir el tipo parentesco que hubo entre estos cuatro personajes.

Luis Aug 2008 23:00:53 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellido "de Guzman"!> > > Sí sé que los Guzmán son de sangre real de los reyes de Castilla. -Daniel> > Yo descendo de Rey Alfonso V ó sea VI quien pienso fue el oó su padre que se caso con una princesa de León, unos de sus nietos tomaron el título de Señorío de Guzmán. Los hijos tomaron> el apellido de Guzmán a notar su lugar de nobleza. Práctica común por los españoles.> _________________________________________________________________> Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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En realidad mi María Cabeza y Muñoz, si pensaba que es nieta del Cabeza de Vaca, pero estoy en búsqueda a encuentrarlo. Cabeza no es común. Todos los Cabezas en Nueva España fueron parientes distintos que yo sepa. -Daniel
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Alejandra Varela.... Mi tatarabuela tercera vez, es de nombre Marta Cabeza de Vaca.. y ella se caso con Benigno de la Rosa tuvieron sus hijos en Jamay, hasta la fecha cuanto con informacion de 3 de sus hijos entre ellos mi ancestro Longinos de la Rosa Cabeza de Vaca. Sus Padres de Marta Cabeza de Vaca fieron Paulin Cabeza de Vaca y Maria Cruz.Hasta la fecha no tengo prueba de donde vinieron ellos, pero seria increible si llego a encontrar que son originiarios de Espana.

New GEDCOM of the Bejar and Alviso Families

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Recently I submitted my GEDCOM to this site and here is some of the information it contains:

Areas and Ranches covered:

San Miguel El Alto : Ranchos: Moya (Molla), Callejones, Cerro de la Cruz, Abiones, Morquecho, La Mesa,

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Sun, 2013-09-29 13:23 | Permalink

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Hi Maureen

The surname Morquecho turns up in this informacion matrimonial from zacatecas, sagrario 1781, image 405

The groom is Jose Francisco Lira, son of Augustino Lira and Rafaela Morquecho.
The bride is Maria Bruna Brabo, dau of Rafael Brabo and Maria Manuela Rodriguez.
Both are Indian.

Here's the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-55156-84?cc=1804458&wc…

I'd never seen the name Morquecho before, so i checked to see if anyone had any relation to it in NR, and your post turned up. You may not be looking for morquechos, but any else who does a search of the morquecho name will see this post.

Other than that, i can see we share the name Araujo, mine from armadillo de los infantes...

Regards,
Denise

Introduction for Roberto Rosales

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Hello,
my name is Roberto Rosales Villalpando, and I recently started doing genealogy
research. Growing up I was always curious about my family history.

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Published by JLJauregui – Sun, 2013-09-29 09:43 | Permalink

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What names are you searching for or connected to for Jauregui from Teocaltiche or surrounding area? I am researching the Jauregui-Delgadillo line.Hopefully we are
looking for the same ancestors. My youngest son also did Y-DNA thru FTDA for Jauregui
Thanks

Published by JLJauregui – Tue, 2013-09-03 11:56 | Permalink

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Hi Robert,
Welcome to the group.
I am also doing research on the Jauregui-Delgadillo family from Jalisco Teocaltiche
and the Romo-Martinez family from Jalisoco Jalostotitlan.

My in-laws currently live in Teocaltiche and Jalostotitlan.

Judy Rodriguez-Jauregui
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Published by vr – Mon, 2013-09-02 15:40 | Permalink

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Hello Roberto,

Glad to meet you via Nuestros Ranchos, we may have many relatives in common. My family and Ancestors are from the regions you are researching.

Hope we may be able to help each other. Daniel Mendez has researched these regions and may be of great help too.

Saludos.

Victor Renteria Silva

Note: I apologize for replying back with a different subject, which it created a new thread...I don't know how to go about and deleting that post.

Published by oldcar53 – Mon, 2013-09-02 08:30 | Permalink

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Welcome primo Roberto,

For someone so young, you have made much progress and you will be a great asset to this group and I know that this group of people will be valuable to you in your research, especially when it comes to those brick walls.

I hope to see you at our conference coming up on September 14th in Sacramento.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Roberto Rosales
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 2:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction for Roberto Rosales

Hello,
my name is Roberto Rosales Villalpando, and I recently started doing genealogy
research. Growing up I was always curious about my family history. Sadly, I
wandered around with many questions, but no answers. Now, that I am going for a
biology major I have found a passion in genealogy, I do not know why, but
knowing who my ancestors were gives me a sense of belonging. Now I know more
about my family than my only great-grandmother still living.
My recent family ancestry was from the Huanusco,Zacatecas-Calvillo,Aguascalientes
region, and from Tlachichila,Nochistlan, Zacatecas.  To be more exact my father’s family is from
La Palma, Huanusco, Zacatecas and my mother is from a single family ranch on
the division of Zacatecas and Aguascalientes called La Calera (near Arroyo
Soto). I can trace my paternal grandparents and maternal grandfather's lineage
to el Arroyo de Soto, Calvillo, Aguascalientes multiple times on my family tree,
since I have the Serna surname all over my family tree. My parents are even
third cousins through the Serna's. Thanks to my maternal grandmother who came
from Tlachichila, Zacatecas I have different surnames I can add to my family
tree.
I also recently had my DNA tested through 23andme.
I have an extensive family tree, with a few brick walls along
the way, which I hope to overcome with the help of Nuestros Ranchos, and I look
forward on working with all of you.
Thank You

Family surnames: Rosales, Villalpando, Serna (de la Serna),Saldivar, Lopez, Olmos,Ruiz,Perez,Duran, Ruiz de Esparza,Jauregui,Ordorica, Hernandez,Lizalde,Gabay,Delgado,Martin de Carpo,Babadilla,Romo de Vibar,Estrada and many others.
Locations:
Zacatecas: Huanusco,Nochistlan,Teul de Gonzalez Ortega,Tabasco
Aguascalientes: Calvillo,Aguascalientes,Rincon de Romos
Jalisco: Teocaltiche,Villa Hidalgo,Colotlan

Brito genealogy

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Is anyone in this group, except me, researching the Brito line?

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Published by MiguelAntonioBrito – Sun, 2013-09-29 07:30 | Permalink

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Marie Brito

Thanks! I tried it and it does work! But there are no new researchers for my husband's surname, only me and Stan and Gregg...

Published by makas_nc – Sun, 2013-09-29 06:30 | Permalink

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Here is a good way to find an answer to this and other related questions
about locations both or researcher geographical locations and interest

1) log into the system
2) up in the right corner there is a search window
3) type a surname, persons name, username, location or whatever you're
looking for into the window and click
4) when the results come up you'll have four tabs to view results in:
Content, Notary Records, User Profiles and Users

Check all four and specifically to Earthchild Maries question when you find
a person doing similar research on a specific surname there you can contact
them via the website once you click that person's username (highlighted).

Let me know if this needs more explanation,

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Earthchild Marie
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:55 PM
> To: Research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brito genealogy
>
> Is anyone in this group, except me, researching the Brito line?

Rielves, España

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Para quienes tengan ascendencia de los apellidos Rincón y/o Romo, pueden visitar el siguiente sitio de internet, en el cual se mencionan algunos datos historicos relativos a Diego Romo de Vivar y a F

RE Huizar info.

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Related to message 1 Sep 20 2013 from Tom Huizar
Dr. Moises,I can't thank you enough. This information is more than I thought I would ever discover. It is so fascinating.

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Published by arturoramos – Fri, 2013-09-27 04:26 | Permalink

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Tom, Ana, Moises:

I was recently researching the Totatiche Huizares as a favor for a friend of my father who is a Huizar.

I have gotten back as far as the early 1700s in Valparaiso with a certain Jose Huizar married to a Nicolasa Ysabel Sanchez. You can see my research here. I am sure Patricio Huizar is somehow linked to this tree:

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/descendtext.php?personID=I2764&tree=Ramo…

Introduction: Cheri Peón del Valle

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Hello, I'm so glad to find this group. My interest is in finding information about the farm of my grandfather X 10, Fernando Javier Ribera y Moncada and his family in Tala, Jalisco in the late 1700s.

New Extractions at GuadalajaraDispensas.com

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Hello friends,
I've posted four new film extractions this week and that should give you enough material to keep you busy over the long weekend. :)

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Published by longsjourney – Fri, 2011-11-25 11:30 | Permalink

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I just can't read this extraction and would appreciate any help in transcribing it
 
.marriage dispensation from la Sagrada Mitra 8 Sept 1771 in Jerez
Joseph Ballejo Espanol from Mexico City now in Jerez
parents: Don Geronimo Ballejo and Dona Lucia Villanueba
widower of Melchora Riveros? in Zacatecas City
with: Maria Sid Caldera Espanola from Jerez
parents: Pedro Sid Caldera and Juana Rosales
witness Juan Carrillo Espanol from Jerez signed document
witness Nicolas Arias Espanol signed the document
witness Diego de Avila Espanol
witness Miguel Garcia Billarino Espanol signed document
witness Catalina Abila Espanola signed document
dispensation 2nd degree in 3rd degree ?
source: Sagrada Mitra dispensation 168605 page 179 

________________________________
From: "claudiacasillas@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Extractions at GuadalajaraDispensas.com

Hello friends,
I've posted four new film extractions this week and that should give you enough material to keep you busy over the long weekend. :)

I'd like to thank Enrique Agraz and Jaime Alvarado for their contributions. Direct links to blog pages are below.

Happy hunting!

1796 FHL Source Film 168091
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/11/1796-fhl-source-film-168091…

1796 FHL Source Film 168092
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/11/1796-fhl-source-film-168092…

1796 FHL Source Film 168093
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/11/1796-fhl-source-film-168093…

1700-1705 FHL Source Film 168605
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/11/1700-1705-fhl-source-film-1…

Acevedo's

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Hello to all the researchers out there.

I am still trying to find information on my Acevedo Line. The farthest back I have gone is to 1773 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

Jose Toribio born about 1773 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, married Trinidad Quesada. He also remarried after being widowed; to Maria Rita Almaraz on December 1830.

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Published by hfaizcorbe – Thu, 2007-12-13 09:00 | Permalink

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Hi Aida,

I have found the following three records, one about Juan José de Acevedo and
two that incluye him as a witness:

" ACEVEDO Juan José DE, español, soltero, de 23 años de edad, natural y
vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Juan de Acevedo, difunto y de
Josefa Tello de Orozco. Pretende contraer matrimonio eclesiástico en Jerez
con Juana María Villegas, española, doncella, de 16 años de edad, originaria
y vecina de la villa de Jerez, hija legítima de José Villegas y de María
Gertrudis Moreno. No firmó. Testigos: 1.- Juan Antonio Díaz, español, de 26
años de edad, nativo y vecino de la villa de Jerez. Firmó. 2.- León de Nava,
mulato libre, de 50 años de edad, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez.
No firmó. 3.- Ignacio Negrete, mulato libertino, de 48 años de edad, natural
y vecino de la villa de Jerez. No firmó. Información matrimonial. Jerez,
Zac. 13 de abril de 1754. Fojas: 78-79 vuelta."

" CORTES VALENTIN FAUSTINO, coyote, soltero, de 16 años de edad, originario
y vecino de La Labor, hijo legítimo de Valentín Cortés y de María Teresa
Gómez. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio eclesiástico en jerez el 19 de
junio de 1756 con Juana Ascencia Flores, mestiza, doncella, de 18 años de
edad, originaria y vecina de la hacienda de Juana Catique, hija legítima de
Félix Flores y de Juana Francisca Soriana. No firmó. Testigos: 1.- José de
Córdova, español, de 41 años de edad, originario de la villa de Jerez. No
firmó. 2.- Pascual Juárez, indio, de 33 años de edad, originario del Barrio
de San Miguel. No firmó. 3.- Juan José de Acevedo, mestizo, de 28 años de
edad, originario de la villa de Jerez. No firmó. Información matrimonial.
Jerez, Zac. Fojas: 82-83 vuelta."

" QUINTERO José Antonio, español, soltero, de 22 años de edad, originario y
vecino del puesto de Casablanca, hijo legítimo de Vicente Ferrer Quintero y
de María Antonia Gutiérrez. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio con
Salvadora de los Dolores González, española, doncella, de 20 años de edad,
natural y vecina del puesto de El Niño Jesús hija legítima de Juan González
difunto y de Gertrudis Gómez. No firmó. Testigos: 1.- Juan José de Acevedo,
español, de 31 años de edad, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez. No
firmó. 2.- José Tomás Quintero, español, de 25 años de edad, originario y
vecino del puesto de Casablanca. Dijo ser hermano del pretenso. No firmó.
3.- Manuel de la Ascensión González, español, de 35 años de edad, originario
y vecino del puesto de El Niño Jesús. Dijo ser su hermana la pretensa. No
firmó. Información matrimonial. Jerez, Zac. 21 de agosto de 1760. Fojas:
83-84 vuelta. En la solicitud de matrimonio se lee el año como 1761, y en
todo el cuerpo de dicha información se lee: 1760."

The three of them are in the marriage information files of the parish of
Jerez.

Regards,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Aida
Garralda
Enviado el: Miércoles, 12 de Diciembre de 2007 06:59 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acevedo's

Hello to all the researchers out there.

I am still trying to find information on my Acevedo Line. The farthest back
I have gone is to 1773 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

Jose Toribio born about 1773 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, married Trinidad
Quesada. He also remarried after being widowed; to Maria Rita Almaraz on
December 1830.

His brother
Jose Maria Acevedo was born about 1785.
was married on 10-12-1811 in Zacatecas,
Zacatecas to Maria Josefa Aguiar.

Another brother Bernardo Acevedo was born about 1787. He married Marianna
Lujan (or Lopez) on 11-l6-1811.

All three brothers marriage record lists their father as Juan Jose Acevedo.

I cannot find any record of Juan Jose Acevedo.

Is there any one out there that might be able to help me.?

Thank you,
Aida Garralda
garralda@cox.net

I a

Published by arturoramos – Thu, 2007-12-13 09:15 | Permalink

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Aida:

I have the following record from the earliest Tlaltenango Marriages film. She seems a bit old to be the mother of your Juan Jose Acevedo but I am sure there is some relationship... perhaps an aunt with the same name as the mother?

1666-02-20
Antonio de San Martín Estrada, español viudo de Ana de Saucedo, vecinos de este pueblo, con Doña Josepha Tello de Orozco, hija legítima de Don Martín Tello de Orozco y de Doña Lorenza de Haro, vecinos de este valle. A causa de ser los susdichos parientes en tercer grado, los remití a Guadalajara a los señores del cabildo dispensario y se remitió licensia para casarlos. Testigos Luis de Luna, Antonio Gracián y Bartholomé de Luna, siendo muchos que se hallarón presentes.

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Hi Aida and Arturo,

If the Juan José de Acevedo married to Juana Maria Villegas is your
ancestor, then, your ancestry on that line is a follows:

Juan Jose de Acevedo, the son of Juan de Acevedo y Alarcón y Josefa Tello de
Orozco;

Juan de Acevedo y Alarcón, born in Cholula and christened on 16th April
1673, the son of Luis de Acevedo and Maria de Castañeda;

Josefa Tello de Orozco, the daughter of Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco and
Maria de Bañuelos or Pasillas;

Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco, born in Tlaltenango and christened on 24th
October, 1643, the son of Martin Tello de Orozco and Doña Lorenza Ortiz de
San Pedro y Haro;

Maria de Bañuelos or Pasillas, the daughter of Nicolas Rodriguez Pasillas
and Maria de Bañuelos.

There is more on Martin and Lorenza

Regards,
Hector

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de arturoramos
Enviado el: Jueves, 13 de Diciembre de 2007 10:16 a.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Josepha Tello de Orozco

Aida:

I have the following record from the earliest Tlaltenango Marriages film.
She seems a bit old to be the mother of your Juan Jose Acevedo but I am sure
there is some relationship... perhaps an aunt with the same name as the
mother?

1666-02-20
Antonio de San Martín Estrada, español viudo de Ana de Saucedo, vecinos de
este pueblo, con Doña Josepha Tello de Orozco, hija legítima de Don Martín
Tello de Orozco y de Doña Lorenza de Haro, vecinos de este valle. A causa
de ser los susdichos parientes en tercer grado, los remití a Guadalajara a
los señores del cabildo dispensario y se remitió licensia para casarlos.
Testigos Luis de Luna, Antonio Gracián y Bartholomé de Luna, siendo muchos
que se hallarón presentes.

Comment

Aida:

You can find information on Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco's ancestors in the Tlaltenango families database I have been compiling that is in the GEDCOM database section of the site.

Hector:

Can you tell us where you got the information on his marriage to Maria de Banuelos?

Comment

Hi Arturo,

Here is some information on Juan Bautista and Maria:

GARCÍA DE LA CADENA FELIPE, hijo legítimo de Andrés García de la Cadena y de
doña María del Río y Loza. Casado y velado por el Bachiller don José Osorio
Melgarejo en Jerez el 12 de septiembre de 1719 con Bernardina Tello de
Orozco, hija legítima de Juan Bautista de Orozco y de María Bañuelos.
Padrinos: Juan de Acevedo y Josefa de Orozco. Testigos: Nicolás Márquez y
Antonio de Castañeda. Foja: 110.

JOSE ISIDORO, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo natural de
María de la Rosa. Casado y velado en Jerez el 8 de octubre de 1731 con
Ignacia Susana Tello de Orozco, española, originaria y vecina de la villa de
Jerez, hija legítima de Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco y de María Pasillas.
Padrinos: Juan de Acuña y doña Isabel Sánchez Castellanos. Testigos:
Bernardo Carrillo y Juan de la Vega. Foja: 3.

TELLO DE OROZCO José Prudencio, español, originario de la villa de Jerez,
hijo legítimo de Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco y de María Bañuelos. Casado y
velado por el Bachiller Salvador de la Vega en Jerez el 2 de enero de 1733
con Gregoria Antonia de Acuña, española, originaria de la jurisdicción de
Jerez, hija legítima de José de Acuña y de Micaela de ÁVILA. Padrinos: Juan
Ramírez de Arroyo y Teresa Tello de Orozco. Testigos: Juan Medrano y Pedro
Medrano. Foja: 17.

CARLOS DE GODOY José Mateo, español, vecino del partido de Jerez, hijo
legítimo de José Carlos de Godoy y de Juana Cid de Caldera. Casado y velado
en Jerez el 14 de mayo de 1727 con Paula Gertrudis Tello de Orozco,
española, vecina de la villa de Jerez, hija legítima de Juan Bautista Tello
de Orozco y de doña María Pasillas. Padrinos: Jerónimo Tello de Orozco y
doña Nicolasa García. Testigos: el Bachiller don Juan José Álvarez de
Quiñones, el Capitán don Antonio Veitia y don Juan José de Llanos y Valdés.
Fojas: 167-167 vuelta.

Regards,
Hector

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de arturoramos
Enviado el: Viernes, 14 de Diciembre de 2007 02:29 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco

Aida:

You can find information on Juan Bautista Tello de Orozco's ancestors in the
Tlaltenango families database I have been compiling that is in the GEDCOM
database section of the site.

Hector:

Can you tell us where you got the information on his marriage to Maria de
Banuelos?

Zacatecas baptisms

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Hi

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Tue, 2013-09-24 12:59 | Permalink

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Hi

In the book Silver Mining in Colonial Mexico: Zacatecas 1546-1700 (Peter John Bakewell, 1971, p. 64) i just read the following:
"Parrish registers for the period under examination seem to have disappeared altogether, apart from one mutilated register of births, confirmations and marriages..." If that period extended into the1700's it would explain why I cannot find them...

Regards
Denise

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