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Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?

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So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague mentions in the posts that came up.

Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information on the family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot behind these.

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Published by longsjourney – Wed, 2008-10-15 11:45 | Permalink

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I don't recognize your online name, who are you? If you submitted a genealogy file I'd like to  read it since I track Tovar/Tobar from Jerez.
 
I do have one entry from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico, not sure if it's the area or time frame you are looking for:

Marriage: 13 Jan 1823 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
Jose Rebeles, age 23 vecino
Parents: Don Andres Rebeles and Dona Francisca Correa
With: Dona Maria Josefa Llanos y Valdes, age 17 vecina
Parents: Don Agustin Llanos y Valdes and Dona Ynocencia Tobar
Witness: Don Francisco Llanos
source: 0440061 Jerez church marriages
 
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, AlmightyMexijew wrote:

From: AlmightyMexijew
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:12 AM

So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see
what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague
mentions in the posts that came up.

Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y
Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information on the
family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was
mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot
behind these.

Thanks Primos..

Comment

I am Cole. My family history comes up if you search
"Rivas/Salas/Flores/Llanos Y Valdez"...I included the whole family up til my
grandmother's generation(as she is the oldest living link). Our family
supposedly had a rancho by Val Paraiso, but, nothing really has come up for
that...I do know that my Llanos y Valdez were very wealthy though...

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I don't recognize your online name, who are you? If you submitted a
> genealogy file I'd like to read it since I track Tovar/Tobar from Jerez.
>
> I do have one entry from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico, not sure if it's the area
> or time frame you are looking for:
>
> Marriage: 13 Jan 1823 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
> Jose Rebeles, age 23 vecino
> Parents: Don Andres Rebeles and Dona Francisca Correa
> With: Dona Maria Josefa Llanos y Valdes, age 17 vecina
> Parents: Don Agustin Llanos y Valdes and Dona Ynocencia Tobar
> Witness: Don Francisco Llanos
> source: 0440061 Jerez church marriages
>
> Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
>
> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, AlmightyMexijew wrote:
>
> From: AlmightyMexijew
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:12 AM
>
> So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and
> see
> what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very
> vague
> mentions in the posts that came up.
>
> Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y
> Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information
> on the
> family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was
> mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot
> behind these.
>
> Thanks Primos..

Comment

Cole:

The Llanos y Valdes in the Jerez area are descendant from a certain Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes who was a captain in the Spanish army, son of Spanish immigrants born in Michoacan around 1652. Note that the name is composed, i.e. it is not that one parent was named Llanos and the other Valdes. The two have been used in a composed manner since the immigration of the first Llanos y Valdes to Michoacan in the early 1600s.

Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes married the daughter of a matrimony of two of the most prominent and wealthy Jerez Spanish families, the Carlos de Godoy and Carrillo D'Avila.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1531

His descendants largely go by simply the name Valdes these days as after the independence "composed" Spanish surnames like Llanos y Valdes were out of fashion. They are very wealthy landowners throughout the Jerez region. Much of the land in the town where my father was born, Villa Guerrero, is owned by Llanos y Valdes.

You will have to trace your ancestor back to one of the documented branches. Have you searched through Jerez records to try to find a connection. If your ancestor is indeed a descendant of this family, the connection will be found there since that is the nucleus and one of the older towns in the region... certainly where older records from Valparaiso are likely to be.

Comment

How do I find these records or research this potential connection? I'm a
university student, and living in California(San Diego), so my access to
records in Mexico is not exactly very good. If my finances were better, I'd
probably cheat a little bit and do a mtDNA test to determine potential
matches who might have a better idea of family history(and also get some
perspective on long term migratory patterns), but I'm not able to afford the
$125 pricetag that the weakest of the tests runs at :(

That said, I've noticed your family comes up in connection to this larger
family as well. Do you have a comprehensive history of the Llanos y Valdes
family of the area?? It'd make for an interesting contrast between where we
were and the hardship that we went through after Aurelio Rivas passed away
and couldn't fund Jesus Rivas' education as an engineer anymore, which
ultimately led to the family crossing to the States.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:04 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> Cole:
>
> The Llanos y Valdes in the Jerez area are descendant from a certain Juan
> Jose Llanos y Valdes who was a captain in the Spanish army, son of Spanish
> immigrants born in Michoacan around 1652. Note that the name is composed,
> i.e. it is not that one parent was named Llanos and the other Valdes. The
> two have been used in a composed manner since the immigration of the first
> Llanos y Valdes to Michoacan in the early 1600s.
>
> Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes married the daughter of a matrimony of two of the
> most prominent and wealthy Jerez Spanish families, the Carlos de Godoy and
> Carrillo D'Avila.
>
> http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1531
>
> His descendants largely go by simply the name Valdes these days as after
> the independence "composed" Spanish surnames like Llanos y Valdes were out
> of fashion. They are very wealthy landowners throughout the Jerez region.
> Much of the land in the town where my father was born, Villa Guerrero, is
> owned by Llanos y Valdes.
>
> You will have to trace your ancestor back to one of the documented
> branches. Have you searched through Jerez records to try to find a
> connection. If your ancestor is indeed a descendant of this family, the
> connection will be found there since that is the nucleus and one of the
> older towns in the region... certainly where older records from Valparaiso
> are likely to be.

Comment

Cole:

I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS family history center in San Diego.

http://www.familysearch.org

You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:

Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864 (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...

Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.

1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655

2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY

3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693

4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737

5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866

6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
(Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812

7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835

8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873

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I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got confused who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins with Cornelia Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano Ureña abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).

What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible connection.

Best regards to all of you

Alessandro

Published by Steve G. Apodaca – Thu, 2008-10-23 10:30 | Permalink

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Alessandro, did you read my message, I did not see your Apodaca ancestors on the family tree you submitted to the website. I was wondering if you could share that family line with me, I am just curious. By the way, did you grow up in Atotonilco el Bajo?
 
Steve

--- On Wed, 10/22/08, viteliky wrote:

From: viteliky
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 5:41 PM

I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got confused
who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins with Cornelia
Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, zacoalco de Torres,
Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano Ureña abt 1770 and Ma.
Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA
(both abt 1750).

What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible connection.

Best regards to all of you

Alessandro

Published by vrahorn – Mon, 2008-10-27 18:45 | Permalink

Comment

Alessandro,
My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married my
grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?

Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

----- Original Message -----
From: "viteliky"
To:
Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY

>
> I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got
> confused who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins
> with Cornelia Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña,
> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano
> Ureña abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna
> UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
>
> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
> Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible
> connection.
>
> Best regards to all of you
>
> Alessandro

Comment

Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas.  What is your grandmothers name and approximate dates of birth?
 
Linda in Everett
 

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:

From: Veronica Rahorn
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM

Alessandro,
My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married my
grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?

Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

Comment

Erlina,
Thank you!

This is what I have for her.
Carmen CEBALLOS
b: 15 Jul 1897 in El Cargadero, Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico
d: 3 Apr 1997 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona, United States of America

I was able to find her baptismal certificate; although, the priest had the
parents and grandparents names totally screwed up. My nana's parents were
Crescencio CEBALLOS and Rosita ORTIZ.

She was married to Pedro URENA, but I don't know where or when.

Thanks again,
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
To:
Sent: 28 October, 2008 13:43
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY

>
> Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas. What is your grandmothers name and
> approximate dates of birth?
>
> Linda in Everett
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:
>
> From: Veronica Rahorn
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM
>
> Alessandro,
> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married
> my
> grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both
> from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
>
> Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>
>
>
>

Comment

Cole,

I too am descended from this couple, as are Sally and Hector, two other members of Ranchos. I got help from them and also from a man in Mexico named Salvador Cabral. I will send you that family tree to your e-mail address as an attachment later. I haven't figured out how to upload it to WorldConnect or to the files here yet. I can't concentrate lately. My husband had surgery for his prostate cancer, and I am busy being his nurse and doing some chores he used to do.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] For Cole: Llanos y Valdes

Cole:

I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS family history center in San Diego.

http://www.familysearch.org

You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:

Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864 (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...

Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.

1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655

2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY

3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693

4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737

5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866

6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
(Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812

7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835

8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873

Comment

I received Emilie's tree(thanks Emilie!) and went through it. I don't have
any names or dates that match though :( It would seem that my farthest link
that I have a name for would be in her 8th or 9th generation listed. The
problem is, I don't know anything about those individuals except names and
dates and where they're from, so, I can't discern if they're truly related
and are unlisted siblings. Theres the additional issue of name-matching; by
that generation, hers are no longer "Llanos Y Valdes" by name...whereas mine
retained it up until the marriage with the Rivas family.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Cole,
>
> I too am descended from this couple, as are Sally and Hector, two other
> members of Ranchos. I got help from them and also from a man in Mexico
> named Salvador Cabral. I will send you that family tree to your e-mail
> address as an attachment later. I haven't figured out how to upload it to
> WorldConnect or to the files here yet. I can't concentrate lately. My
> husband had surgery for his prostate cancer, and I am busy being his nurse
> and doing some chores he used to do.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: arturoramos
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:49 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] For Cole: Llanos y Valdes
>
>
>
> Cole:
>
> I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal
> great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through
> Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS
> family history center in San Diego.
>
> http://www.familysearch.org
>
> You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in
> Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking
> in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:
>
> Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864
> (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not
> searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your
> grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism
> certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...
>
> Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my
> previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family
> horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.
>
> 1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
> Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655
>
> 2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
> Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY
>
> 3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
> Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693
>
> 4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
> Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737
>
> 5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
> Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866
>
> 6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
> (Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812
>
> 7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
> Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835
>
> 8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873

UREÑA FAMILY

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I just wanted to mention that my great-grandmother was an Ureña. Her family lived in Totatiche, Jalisco, and her branch of the Ureñas started originally in Jerez, so I'm sure there is a connection. I have many Ureñas from that general are in my database. Email me and I'll see if there is a connection.

Latin translation needed

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A friend of mine at the local FHC asked for my help in translating a document. It is from a country that uses the cyrillic [sp?] alphabet, but the printed part is also in Latin, as well as what the priest hand-wrote on the form.

Another question

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what does vindo mean?

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Comment

you know what I think you are right! Thank you so much. That makes sense
 
Robert

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From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:49 PM

I think you mean viudo, which means widow.
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ahhh!! Thank you!

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com wrote:

From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:47 PM

Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.

------Original Message------
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Sent: Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question

what does vindo mean?

Question about Church Records

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When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal?

Comments

Published by Jaime Alvarado – Sun, 2008-10-26 12:30 | Permalink

Comment

Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal grandparents, respectively.

Sincerely

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "resco16"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records

When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like:  testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal? Is that right?

Comment

Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search.  My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:

From: alvaradj@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:20 PM

Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
grandparents, respectively.

Sincerely

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "resco16"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records

When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
It shows witnesses but usually says something like:  testigos de edad or
mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
maternal? Is that right?

Comment

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Ryskamp. Excellent information that explains all the various words and
much other information.

joseph

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Robert Escobedo wrote:
> Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search. My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?
>
> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
>
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:20 PM
>
> Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
> edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
> grandparents, respectively.
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Jaime
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "resco16"
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
>
>
> When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
> It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or
> mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
> names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
> maternal? Is that right?

Apodaca´s charts

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Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news

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Alessandro,

The site doesn't allow attachments. You have to upload your files to the files in Ranchos. I think there are instructions in the site. I don't know how to do it either.

Emilie
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Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news. Wright back soon PS: Attached you´ll find the Apodaca files I have. Best regardsLIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

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Franco de Paredes -Att:Jose MariaVallejo

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Hola Jose , gracias ,lo que me confundio fue de tu primera e-mail hablado de los Peres y sus esposas. Cuendo mencionaste Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y su esposa me perdi. Ya tenia la informacion de Los hijos de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,no mas la falta de comprender el espanol bien. Bueno una pregunta, dices que Ignacio de La Cueva y Rebollar y su esposa Tomasina Franco de Paredes comensaron la Rama de Franco de La Cueva, que son los hijos porque tengo unos ante pasados que se llamaban Juan Franco de La Cueva(nacio 1648 en Tepatitlan) casado con Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo(nacio 1652) en 1673 en Jalostotitlan. Hay chansa que Juan es hijo de Ignacio de la Cueva ?

Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes

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I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto.

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Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.

María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).

Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos.

Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.

El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660.

Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao.
En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:

1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619.
2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).

3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.

4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato.

5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.

6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios.

Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones.

Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.

Atte.
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Hola Jose Maria,mi llamo Ronnie Reynoso,soy California pero mis antepasados eran de Los Altos ,Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. Lo que tengo yo , que leonor Hermosillo ,hija de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosilo y Maria Munoz estaba casada con Miguel Gutierrez Rubio 1609 en Jalos. Hay chansa que Leonor Hermosillo se volvio a casar ?
Ronniec Reynoso-> From: josema.vallejo@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:55:43 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.> > María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).> > Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos. > > Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.> > El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660. > > Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao. > En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:> > 1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619. > 2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).> > 3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.> > 4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato. > > 5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.> > 6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios. > > Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones. > > Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.> > Atte.> José María Vallejo Mercado.> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:55:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. 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Hola Ronnie, me da gusto escribirte y a la vez saludarte, y aprovecho para aclararte la duda que tienes, es muy comun que en una familia haya homonimos esto es que se llamen igual, pero en este cado no es homonimo ya que el apellido materno es Talavera y te lo voy a explicar.:

Juan González Hermosillo casó con María Muñoz, primeros pobledores de Jalost y la Meseta.

Juan y María Muñoz tubieron 8 hijos y fueron:

1-. Gonzalo de Hermosillo, que murio antes de 1628.
2-. Juan González Hermosillo II, (homonimo del padre) casó Ana González Florida II, (homonima de la madre) hija de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana González Florida, por consiguientes hermana Ana la hija de Miguel Gutiérrez Rubio.
3-. Teresa González de Hermosillo, casó Con Silvestre Camacho Riquelme.
4-. Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo cas´ó con Paula de Torres.
5-. Beatriz de Hermosillo casó con JUan de Aceves.
6-. Leonor de Hermosillo casó Miguel Gutiérrez Rubio, Miguel hermana de Ana González Florida II, hijos los dos de FRancisco Gutiérrez Rubio I y Ana González Florida I.
7-. FRancisco Muñoz Cabeza o Muñoz de Hermosillo, casó con FRancisca de Torres, hermana de Paula de Torres, hija a su vez de Nicolas Ramirez y de Polonia de Torres.
8-. Cristobal Muñoz de Hermosillo casó con Leonor de Talavera, ESTOS FUERON LOS PADRES DE LEONOR DE HERMOSILLO Y TALAVERA, esposa de Pedro FRanco de Paredes que fué bautizado el 18 de junio de 1624, que tambien tubieron la Hacienda de la Labor de MIrandillas, en el actual municipio de San Miguel el Alto.

Por conclución tenemos que Leonor de Hermosillo era la hermana de Cristobal Muñoz de Hermosillo, padre de Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera.

Ya que Leonor de Hermosillo fue bautizada en Jalos aproximadamente en 1588, y Pedro Franco de Paredes fue bautizado en Silao el 18 de Junio de 1624, esposo de Leonor Hermosillo y Talavera, una diferencia de más de 36 años.

Sin más de moemnto y esperando haya aclarado tu duda estoy a tus ordenes sobre el particular.

Recibe saludos.

ATTE.
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> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:02:32 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Hola Jose Maria,mi llamo Ronnie Reynoso,soy California pero mis antepasados eran de Los Altos ,Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. Lo que tengo yo , que leonor Hermosillo ,hija de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosilo y Maria Munoz estaba casada con Miguel Gutierrez Rubio 1609 en Jalos. Hay chansa que Leonor Hermosillo se volvio a casar ? > Ronniec Reynoso-> From: josema.vallejo@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:55:43 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.> > María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).> > Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos. > > Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.> > El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660. > > Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao. > En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:> > 1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619. > 2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).> > 3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.> > 4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato. > > 5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.> > 6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios. > > Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones. > > Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.> > Atte.> José María Vallejo Mercado.> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:55:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto. in the 1600's had three sons two were given Pérez y Franco and the other Pérez de Paredes. Any Help? -Daniel MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; _________________________________________________________________> P.D. Checa las nuevas fotos de mi Space> http://home.services.spaces.live.com/&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; _________________________________________________________________> You live life beyond your PC. 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Hello Juanita! I wish you not unsubscribe but still enjoy reading and participate the joys mostly, but if there is something as important that you have to do so well I also wish you the best for any journey you wish to walk.
 
Regards, Leticia Leon

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I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to
move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great
stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new
"primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date
than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that
go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do
that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South
Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.
 
So I thank the people that answered some questions for me, and good luck on
your searching!
 
Respectfully,
 
Juanita
 
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Hi Juanita ,

I'm also doing my searches in the north of Mexico , especially in Monterrey and some parts of Coahuila .

My Alvarados' , de la Garzas', Rodrigues de Montemayor , Saldivar and the list goes on and on came from Zacatecas and ended up here .

Don't give up the ship just yet , why don't you just put it on hold for a spell and continue your search in the north . Let me know and I will help you in these parts of the woods .

Juanita , genealogist are a small group of great people . Keep all the bridges you've come to know and expand your knowledge of them to others .

Welester G. Alvarado
( from the other down under , Monterrey , Mexico )

>> > I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new "primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.> > So I thank the people that answered some questions for me, and good luck on your searching!> > Respectfully,> > Juanita> > Where do I unsuscribe? Thanks!>
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Research Digest, Vol 33, Issue 14- Jalpa, Zacatecas

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Daniel Mendez del Camino

Daniel,

I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M: Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?

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Elvira,

>From an information point of view, have you check out the town's website, Jalpa, Zac.com?

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> Daniel Mendez del Camino
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> Daniel,
>
> I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I
> have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have
> nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M:
> Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La
> Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?
>
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Daniel you should try getting in contact with the mian church Sr. de Jalpa,
they have records from 1909 and forth.
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Alessandro/Amerila , I didn't forget about you. Actually the records I have
from Jalpa are from 1884 to 1903. There are definitely Vitelas and Macias in
Jalpa. Wish I could be of more help.

Amelia if you say your grandmotehr died in 1960, then that is fairly recent

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Published by mendezdetorres – Tue, 2008-10-14 21:30 | Permalink

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I can be of help but only in guidance, Jalpa is an interesting place of history and border confusion,
Jalpa belongs to the Parish of Tabasco, zac a little more north of Huanusco. Also Jalpa use to be
part of Huanusco before being broken into two. I use to have tabasco films and found A LOT of people
from Jalpa in the south. Just because a place is limited films doesnt mean people didnt travel far to get
baptised. Always check the surrounding parishes for clues. Just my thoughts. -Daniel MDC
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Published by viteliky (not verified) – Wed, 2008-10-15 11:30 | Permalink

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Thank you Daniel, I will consider this point you mentioned.

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Published by viteliky (not verified) – Tue, 2008-10-14 07:45 | Permalink

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Thanks Mercedes:

I'd like to ask you if by chance in your reccords you have or have seen Juana Petra VITELA VILLARREAL born abt 1892 in Jalpa, her parents were: Francisco VITELA and Juana VILLARREAL SALAS. Also if you have marriage reccords there could be Francisco and Juana's marriage abt 1890. Francisco's parents were Gorgonio or Aurelio VITELA, and Fermina or Emigdia LOPEZ.

Unfortunately I don't have any sibling for Francisco Vitela, but according to the civil registrations of his sons he says he is from Jalpa and that he was born in 1866-68.

About Juana Villarreal I do have siblings who were born in Rancho de Ayo, Jalpa, Zac. or just Jalpa, and they were the following: Carmen, Trinidad, Natividad, Maria and my Juana that was born in 1877 in Jalpa. Her pareents were Juan Villarreal and Dionisia Salas also from there. I don't know if Juana was the oldest or youngest, but her parents could be married abt. 1870-75

Hope all this information be helpful to find their roots, and that you or anyone can help me too.

Thank you Mercedes in advance.
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Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:35:42 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro/Amerila , I didn't forget about you. Actually the records I have > from Jalpa are from 1884 to 1903. There are definitely Vitelas and Macias in > Jalpa. Wish I could be of more help.> > Amelia if you say your grandmotehr died in 1960, then that is fairly recent > and you probably can get that from civil records in Jalpa. If you have any > friends or relatives in Jalpa, I suggest you ask them for that great favor.> > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Published by Mercedes Chavez – Tue, 2008-10-14 20:45 | Permalink

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Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records. Here is the
issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the index then it will
be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always accurate, e.i. my
grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go through each record to find
him. I will definitely look at the index and if I find it I will let you know.

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Thank you Mercedes, I will appreciate it very much, hope you finf her.

Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:39:28 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records. Here is the > issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the index then it will > be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always accurate, e.i. my > grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go through each record to find > him. I will definitely look at the index and if I find it I will let you know.> > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Published by Steve G. Apodaca – Wed, 2008-10-15 12:30 | Permalink

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Hey, Alessandro, I opened your file, but I was unable to find your Apodaca ancestors. En que pagina se encuentran?
 
Saludos
 
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Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 2:27 PM

Thank you Mercedes, I will appreciate it very much, hope you finf her.

Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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EL LINK> > Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records.
Here is the > issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the
index then it will > be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always
accurate, e.i. my > grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go
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Alessandro, I looked in the civil birth records index from 1891 - 1893. I
did not see a Juana Vitela listed. This is not to say it is not there, as I
mentioned the index is mostly but not always correct, or perhaps you have the
wrong year.
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Thank you Mercedes, I'll keep searching. I'm afraid the year is correct.
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Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:38:29 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro, I looked in the civil birth records index from 1891 - 1893. I > did not see a Juana Vitela listed. This is not to say it is not there, as I > mentioned the index is mostly but not always correct, or perhaps you have the > wrong year.> **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola primos investigadores .

He recibido este correo , que me parece interesante, lo comparto pues creo que puede ser de ayuda en sus investigaciones o como conocimiento general.
He aprendido muchas cosas interesantes en cada una de sus participaciones, las que leo con mucho interes todos los dìas.

Juan González de Hermosillo

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Has anyone heard of this book "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos", it contains all the ancestors of the González de Hermosillo at least in the male line back to the 1200's. I think we should track this book down.

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here are some libraries that own a book that looks like the below with a
slightly different name. Further down are other similarly named books:

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US,CA CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO LIBR SUTRO
US,CA GETTY RES INST JPG
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, MERCED MERUC
US,CA UNIV OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CSL
US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
US,FL FLORIDA STATE UNIV FDA
US,FL UNIV OF MIAMI FQG
US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS
US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
US,NV UNIV OF NEVADA, RENO NNY
US,VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA VA@
Germany STAATS & UNIVERSITATSBIBLIOTHEK HAMBURG H6U
Mexico UNIVERSIDAD AUTONOMA DE YUCATAN MXYUC
Netherlands UNIV OF GRONINGEN GRU
United Kingdom CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD
United Kingdom NATIONAL ART LIBR VICTORIA & ALBERT MUS AVA
United Kingdom NATIONAL LIBR OF SCOTLAND NLE

Title: El libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos :
primera reproducción facsímil, en color, del más antiguo armorial
ecuestre que se conoce, manuscrito y miniado durante los siglos XIV al
XVII /
Author(s): Menéndez Pidal de Navascués, Faustino.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Bilbao : La Gran Enciclopedia Vasca,
Year: 1977
Description: 243 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: ISBN: 8424803116; 9788424803117 LCCN: 78-397907
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Heraldry -- Spain.
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): Summaries in English, French, and German./ Includes
bibliographical references and indexes.
Class Descriptors: LC: CR4529.S7; Dewey: 929.6
Responsibility: edición preparada por Faustino Menéndez Pidal de
Navascués ; prólogo de Dalmiro de la Valgoma y Díaz-Varela.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19790302
Update: 20070317
Accession No: OCLC: 4805843
Database: WorldCat

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Location Library Code
US,CA GETTY RES INST JPG
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CT YALE UNIV LIBR YUS
US,FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG
US,MD JOHNS HOPKINS UNIV JHE
US,MN SAINT JOHNS UNIV MNJ
US,NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
US,RI BROWN UNIV RBN
CA,ON UNIV OF TORONTO ROBARTS LIBRARY UTO
Spain IBERBOOK INT, S L I5B
Spain PUVILL LIBROS S A PL#

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Title: El libro de la cofradía de Santiago :
caballería medieval burgalesa /
Author(s): Menéndez Pidal de Navascués, Faustino.
Publication: [Cádiz] : Universidad de Cádiz ; [Burgos] : Universidad
de Burgos,
Year: 1996
Description: 222 p. : ill. (chiefly col.) ; 32 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: ISBN: 8477863172; 9788477863175
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Heraldry -- Spain.
Orders of knighthood and chivalry -- Spain.
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): Includes bibliographical references and indexes.
Class Descriptors: LC: CR4529.S7
Other Titles: Caballería medieval burgalesa
Responsibility: F. Menéndez Pidal de Navascués ; prólogo de Eloy
Benito Ruano ; introducción de Eduardo Pardo de Guevara.
Vendor Info: Puvill Libros Iberbook International S.L. (PUVL IBER)
$42.93 P5200
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19960522
Update: 20070319
Accession No: OCLC: 34890564
Database: WorldCat

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Libraries with Item: "Libro de la Cofradía de C..."( Record for Item |
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Location Library Code
US,MA HARVARD UNIV HMM
US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS

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Title: Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la
Fuente,fundada por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliografica /
Author(s): Uhagón y Guardamino, Francisco Rafael de, marqués de
Laurencín, 1858-1927.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y
museos,
Year: 1904
Description: 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Language: Spanish
Series: Variation: Harvard Western European local history
preservation microfilm project ;; 01287.
SUBJECT(S)
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): "De la 'Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y museos.'"/
Reproduction: Microfilm./ Cambridge, Mass. :/ Harvard University Library
Photographic Services,/ 1996./ 1 microfilm reel : negative ; 35 mm.
Responsibility: por el Marqués de Laurencín.
Material Type: Microfilm (mfl); Master microform (mmc)
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19880629
Update: 20080503
Accession No: OCLC: 34666019
Database: WorldCat

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Location Library Code
Germany STAATSBIBLIOTHEK ZU BERLIN S5B

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Title: Libro de la Real Cofradía de los Caballeros del Santísimo y
de Santiago :
[cuatro folios en facsímil ... que coincide con el año de fundación de
la Cofradía].
Publication: Burgos : Siloé,
Year: 2002
Language: Spanish
Series: Arte y bibliofilia;
SUBJECT(S)
Identifier: Burgos / Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos ; SWD-ID: 45230365
Note(s): Aus: Libro de la Real Cofradía de los Caballeros del
Santísimo y de Santiago.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20060131
Update: 20080922
Accession No: OCLC: 255499449
Database: WorldCat

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Location Library Code
Spain PUVILL LIBROS S A PL#

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Title: Libro de la Real Cofradía de los Caballeros del Santísimo y
Santiago.
Author(s): Real Cofradía de los Caballeros del Santísimo y de
Santiag ; (Author)
Publication: Burgos : Gil de Siloé,
Year: 2002
Description: 2 v. : il. ; 39 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: ISBN: 8492381264; 9788492381265
SUBJECT(S)
Identifier: Heráldica; Obras anteriores a 1400.; Real Cofrad.
Caballeros del Sant. y de Santiago. El Libro...; Manuscritos; Facsímiles.
Note(s): Contiene: [1] Reprod. facs. del ms. de 1338 conservado en
la Catedral de Burgos ; [2] Estudios y transcripción de la edición
facsimilar.
Vendor Info: Puvill Libros (PUVL) $8374.53
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20051108
Update: 20070302
Accession No: OCLC: 63698822
Database: WorldCat

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Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la Fuente, fundada
por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliográfica /

Francisco Rafael de Uhagón y Guardamino, marqués de Laurencín
1904
Spanish Book Book 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y museos,
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Title: Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la Fuente,
fundada por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliográfica /
Author(s): Uhagón y Guardamino, Francisco Rafael de, marqués de
Laurencín, 1858-1927.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y
museos,
Year: 1904
Description: 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Language: Spanish
Series: Variation: Harvard Western European local history
preservation microfilm project ;; 01287.
SUBJECT(S)
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): "De la 'Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y museos'."
Responsibility: por el Marqués de Laurencín.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19960814
Update: 20080502
Accession No: OCLC: 82527326
Database: WorldCat

mendezdelcamino wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard of this book "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de
> Santiago de Burgos", it contains all the ancestors of the González de
> Hermosillo at least in the male line back to the 1200's. I think we
> should track this book down. I think there is only one in the actual
> Caterdral de Burgos, worth traveling to Spain even just to look at it.
> The family is on section 18. Any comments or help!-Daniel MDC

Tomas Villalobos

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Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my family.

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Published by Marionicia – Sun, 2008-09-28 17:00 | Permalink

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It could be helpful to search in the census Mexico 1930, maybe this living relative appears in it or any other relative that give you a guide. Are you familiar with the census?
 
 Leticia Leon

--- El dom 28-sep-08, tiffany escribió:

De:: tiffany
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomas Villalobos
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 28 septiembre, 2008, 12:36 pm

Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother
Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with
my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking
for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my
family. On of my Aunt's says there could be a relative Pedro living in
Jalos, but I don't know. Juan C. could we be related. Thanks to all for
maybe the next clue in my search. Cecilia

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Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?

YoliMat

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Hi Yoli,

Thanks for checking against your Villalobos line, but it doesn't sound like
they connect (at least not in the time frame you mention). My Villalobos
were born in the 1780's and baptized in San Juan de Los Lagos. I found
Joseff Jualian Villalobos' (Jose Maria's brother) baptismal record on the
IGI, batch #C603386 dated 30 Jan 1780.

Maria

> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Yoli Matranga
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <638294.27242.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from
> Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at
> Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her
> birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
>
> YoliMat
>
>
> ****************************************
>

Published by yolimat – Thu, 2008-10-16 08:15 | Permalink

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Hi Maria,

I was hoping there was a linkage. Thanks.

Yoli

----- Original Message ----
From: mcortez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:55:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos

Hi Yoli,

Thanks for checking against your Villalobos line, but it doesn't sound like
they connect (at least not in the time frame you mention). My Villalobos
were born in the 1780's and baptized in San Juan de Los Lagos. I found
Joseff Jualian Villalobos' (Jose Maria's brother) baptismal record on the
IGI, batch #C603386 dated 30 Jan 1780.

Maria

> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Yoli Matranga
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <638294.27242.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from
> Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at
> Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her
> birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
>
> YoliMat
>
>
> ****************************************
>

Busco parientes RODRIGUEZ de San Miguel el Alto y Santa Maria del Valle

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Hola primos altenos, quisiera saber si entre alguno de ustedes existe algun ancestro RODRIGUEZ de SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO, en especial de los ranchos de EL ASTILLERO, EL BUCHE, LAS PRESITAS o LOS CHARCOS. Al parecer, todos estas localidades se encuentran cerca de lo que hoy se llama SANTA MARIA DEL VALLE, municipio San Miguel el Alto y tambien de Arandas.

Maria vs. Jose & baptism practices....

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Hello Rudy,
Per my father, names such as Guadalupe, Jesus, Refugio, Trinidad
etc., often had the first name Maria or Jose inserted before to specify
the sex of the person. For example, Jose Guadalupe vs. Maria Guadalupe;

Villalobos from San Juan de los Lagos

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Hello,

Those of you who are researching Villalobos, please let me know if you have
any information on this family:

Jose Segundo Villalobos m. Maria Ynes Medina about 1775 in San Juan de los
Lagos, Jalisco.

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Published by yolimat – Wed, 2008-10-15 07:59 | Permalink

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Maria,

I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at Laredo, Texas, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?

Published by makas_nc – Fri, 2008-10-03 17:00 | Permalink

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My nino was my Uncle Jose Refugio Puentes who married my nina Francis.
I'm not related to her side of the family but doing some research on her
branch. I ordered the photocopies from SLC and they arrived today. Below
is the information on the records. Can the members of the group that
have roots in the San Juan de Los Lagos area check your databases and
see if any of the below names tie into your genealogy:

Teodoro Marquez was born in Rancho del Ocote (sp), San Juan de Los Lagos
in about in about 1844 his parents were Celso Marquez and Jesus de Anda.
Teodoro Married Antonia Munoz in 1871. She was born Rancho del Ocote,
San Juan de Los Lagos in about 1855 her parents were Filomeno Munoz and
Sebastiana Marquez.

the padrinos for their marriage were Carlos Marquez and Martiana Marquez.

in 1872 they had a child named Saturina whose padrinos were Carlos
Marquez and Martiana Marquez.

in 1874 they had a child named Estanislao who was the grandfather of my
nina and whose padrinos were Martin Torres and Cleta Marquez??? (last
name hard to read)

Estanislao according to "oral history" married a Teodora but his birth
record in the margin says,

"Estanislao caso en esta paroquia en segundas nupias con Maria Marques 4
Sept 1945" (he would have been 71 years old).

thanks,

joseph

ps: according to familysearch.org we find:

TEODORO MARQUEZ ANDA Pedigree
15 NOV 1846 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: CELSO MARQUEZ Family
Mother: MA. JESUS DE ANDA
C603399 1846 - 1850 0220659

So unless someone already knows this information I guess this will be
the next round of photocopies I need to order.

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos

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Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

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Published by JUAN CRISTOBAL… – Sat, 2008-10-11 10:30 | Permalink

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Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

Comment

Thanks, Primo!

When it rains it pours!

It appears that I've discovered generations # 19 and #20 via Francisco de Escobedo's wife Maria de Covarrubias. They appear to be mostly in Seville and Granada Spain.

I suppose it's easier when it's the ancestors of Monte Escobedo -- famous people have their pedigrees well documented!

My head is spinning from all the available data!

P. S. I have some Villalobos in my family line as well.Jose Carlos de Leon

EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me

> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:25:54 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros> ranchos" cousins.

Comment

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:

> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>

Comment

Anita, I have info posted on Rootsweb.com on Miguel Caldera but mostly from his sister Marias' line, those are the Caldera's from the district of Jerez Zacatecas mostly. They took the Caldera name instead of their fathers.  There is also info from Susan Leniski in our Nuestrosranchos section you would be interested in, if you have a problem accessing it I'd be glad to send you a copy. I have 3 Caldera lines I have been trying to merge together with no luck so far.
 
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Anita Morales wrote:

From: Anita Morales
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:21 AM

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita

Comment

I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon

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Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15 de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2 granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria, nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas, es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61 marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además, pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200 pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes, recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí. Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro, S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109; Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136; 427: f. 48).

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:> > > From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > > Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> > others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > > -----Mensaje original-----> > De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help> > at NuestrosRanchos

Comment

Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:

From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM

I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and
1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message
Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo
Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon

EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las
minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan
Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre
1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue
condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas
a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro
común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15
de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia
pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2
granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por
Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de
noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de
vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,
nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro
común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la
Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,
es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso
de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos
ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61
marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,
pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto
de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la
compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos
bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto
con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200
pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la
hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito
como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el
3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la
prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí
desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y
corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando
hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,
recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí.
Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva
fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,
S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al
capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre
del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;
Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;
427: f. 48).

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I
couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>
> Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:> > > From:
jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:
[Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at
NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,
12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>
> your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >
Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San
Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>
> by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New
Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro
Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the
first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:
Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,
Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan
Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >
others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in
the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am
from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about
this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >
-----Mensaje original-----> > De:
general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph
de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26
p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros
Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>
> at NuestrosRanchos

Comment

No, nothing cameJose Carlos de Leon

EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:27:00 -0700> From: resco16@sbcglobal.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:> > From: Joseph de Leon > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM> > I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and> 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help. > Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message> Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo> Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las> minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan> Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre> 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue> condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas> a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro> común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15> de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia> pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2> granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por> Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de> noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de> vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,> nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro> común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la> Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,> es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso> de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos> ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61> marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,> pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto> de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la> compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos> bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto> con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200> pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la> hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito> como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el> 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la> prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí> desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y> corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando> hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,> recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí.> Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva> fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,> S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al> capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre> del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;> Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;> 427: f. 48).> > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I> couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?> Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> wrote:> > > From:> jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:> [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at> NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,> 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San> Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New> Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro> Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the> first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:> Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,> Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan> Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >> others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in> the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am> from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about> this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----> > De:> general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph> de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26> p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros> Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>> > at NuestrosRanchos> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Hello Anita
All the information that I have is from the books of the Historia de San
Luis Potosi from Primo Feliciano Velazquez
They said that Capitan Miguel Caldera was natural son of Pedro Caldera from
Villa de Jerez and a Chichimeca india.
He was born in 1548, they think some place in Zacatecas. He died in
September of 1597 in San Juan Del Rio Queretaro.
He had a natural daughter Isabel Caldera who married with Juan De La Torre,
and they have two children, Marcos y Melchor De la Torre.
Miguel Caldera have two half brothers Cristobal Caldera (Lived in Fresnillo)
and Don Francisco Caldera, and one sister, Mari Cid, married with Hernan
Gonzalez, they had a son, Pedro Cid.
I hope this information Help you.
Regards
Cristóbal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Anita
Morales
Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2008 12:22 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:

> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>

Published by JUAN CRISTOBAL… – Sat, 2008-10-11 10:30 | Permalink

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Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

Published by longsjourney – Sat, 2008-10-11 08:00 | Permalink

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Well Done!  Always happy to see research that's been shared become a a part of reclaiming our heritage and history.  You give me hope in taking my families back further.
 
thanks for sharing your info so openly and freely
Linda in Everett

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:

From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:26 PM

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

Published by Marionicia – Sat, 2008-10-11 00:15 | Permalink

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Well, maybe you will walk the way to El Dorado!
 
When I was starting my genealogy trip read about a girl who was searching her roots because she was requested to prove her belonging to the certain family by the surname Luft I think it was, she couldn´t make it in the requested time but contracted the genealogy seed.
 
Maybe you will get a good "tajada" (piece of cake).
 
Leticia Leon te saluda.

--- El vie 10-oct-08, Joseph de Leon escribió:

De:: Joseph de Leon
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 10 octubre, 2008, 11:26 pm

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

download the Nuestros Ranchos user guide

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Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
 
Yvonne

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Published by makas_nc – Tue, 2008-10-14 16:45 | Permalink

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Go to files and under reference materials you'll find the link:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

y b wrote:
> Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
>
> Yvonne
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:36:52 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Uploading a Genealogy Tree

Alvarado/San Luis Potosi and Gonzalez/Zacatecas

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Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,

Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona, Mireles, Martinez, Morales, Ybarra. Others shown: Gonzalez, Lopez, Perez, Molinas, Luera, Medina, Garcia, Munis

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Published by longsjourney – Tue, 2008-10-14 12:30 | Permalink

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Anita you did a wonderful job of documenting your lines, well done!  I have in my records Andres Correa and two of his wives.
 
I have a question about Catalina de la Torre abt 1609 married to Antonio Cueva Carbajal, my cousin is de la Cueva and I have Carabajal in an earlier record from Jerez, could you share with me the record you found in the Sagrada Mitra?  My personal e-mail is longsjourney@hotmail.com.  I do have all my records posted on Rootsweb.com with the source information included.
 
thank you, Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, anna1m wrote:

From: anna1m
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarado/San Luis Potosi and Gonzalez/Zacatecas
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:50 AM

Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,

Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis
Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona,
Mireles, Martinez, Morales, Ybarra. Others shown: Gonzalez, Lopez, Perez,
Molinas, Luera, Medina, Garcia, Munis
Places: Matehuala, San Luis Potosi, Encarnacion, Rancho de la Viuda, Catorce,
Bocas de Caballero, San Geronimo Moctezuma, Hacienda de Piotillo, La Mesita or
La Morita, Villaldame and Bustamantes NL and San Antonio Texas.

Names listed under "Ancestors of Maria Gonzalez" from Zacatecas are:
Gonzalez, Breña, Bañuelos, Rodriguez, Carlos, Hernandez, Salinas, Correa,
Sepulveda, Sanchez, del Muro, Gallegos, de la Torre, Valdez, Carrillo, Gamboa,
Felis Arellano, Aro, Quero. Robles, de los Santos. Others shown: Valdez,
Talabera, Delgado, Silva, de los Reyes, Davila, Tenorio, Ortiz de San Pedro.
Places: Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Jerez, Tepetondo, Juanchorrey, Real de Panuco,
Monte Escondedo and San Antonio Texas.

I appreciate the members review and comments. Hopefully, we can make
connections. Thanks - Anita

PEDIGREE UPLOADED/ SUBI MI GENEALOGIA

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I UPLOADED MY PEDIGREE SO EVERYONE CAN REVIEW IT AND POSSIBLY FIND A MATCH. ALL THE FAMILY LINEAS ARE LISTED.

SUBI MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO ESPERANDO PUEDAN REVISARLO Y ENCONTRAR UNA POSIBLE CONEXION, ESTAN INCLUIDAS LAS DISTINTAS FAMILIAS O APELLIDOS QUE BUSCO.

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FILOMENO & PERFECTO ARTEAGA were from Rancho del Terrero, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman......

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Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.

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Published by mistyriver123 – Mon, 2008-10-13 21:45 | Permalink

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I have a Ulloa line that starts 1679 in Tlaltenango however, I do not have any of the names you mention. Perhaps Maria Josefa Ulloa connects back a few generations.
Lots of Luck in your research.
Helyn
San Jose, CA

teresitar wrote:

Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.

I have been able to trace the family pedigree from him but I do not have anything else other than a marriage date. I would like to be able find their birthdates and birthplaces, perhaps even their parents!

Mormon church records also indicate that they had a son, his name was Perfecto Arteaga, born on 23 Apr 1844 also in Tlaltenango. Perfecto married Refugio Casanova. Refugio's parents, Lino Casanova and Maria Prudencia Albares were married on 14 Feb 1838 in Tlaltenango.

Perfecto & Refugio had 5 children, at least two of them were born and christened in Rancho del Terrero, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, these were; Filomeno II and Lino both born on 3 Jun 1873, twin boys. Also one of their other children was my great grandfather, Jacinto Casanova Arteaga I, born on 10 Sept 1869. Jacinto married Sara Bracamontes Berumen. I have been told that her father, Jose Rafael Berumen was at one time Mayor of Aguascalientes.

Perhaps you may have seen these names somewhere or in another website? Please let me know. I would like very much to find any information related primarily to Filomena and Maria Josefa Arteaga.

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