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Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.

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My husband is a descendant of the de Albas, Martins, Perez, Magdaleno, and Garcia from Jalisco. Maybe you and he are related in some way? They were in Encarnacion de Diaz in the 1800s. Some of his ancestors also came from San Juan and Lagos.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
Someone Know something about?

Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father, she was born in San juan de los Lagos
Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).

Best regards
J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.

Thomas Alba Edison

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Emilie,

Almost all the family of my father come from Encarnación de Diaz, San Juan, Lagos and Aguascalientes.
If you give the name of the grant grand parents and grand parents of your husband, maybe we can know if we are relatives.
I have information from the San Juan de los Lagos "de Alba" since 1600s for the Perez since 1700s.
The name of the grand father of my father is Pastor Perez Lozano, the husband of Maria de los Angeles de Alba Jimenez that mention in my first mail.
The parents of Pastor were: Jose Guadalupe Perez(b.1825) and Ma de la Cruz Lozano Perez(b.9may 1828 in Encarnacion).

Thanks for your comments and the information from Thomas Alva Edison.

Juan Cristobal
San Luis Potosí, Mx

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie Garcia
Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 04:35 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Juan Cristobal,

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Best regards
J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.

Thomas Alba Edison

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Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Best regards
J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.

Thomas Alba Edison

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HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" : --------------

No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a
> lot to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
>
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos
> Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
> Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.
>

Thomas Alba Edison

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Luis Miguel,

Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez.

According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's first name was Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people. I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?

Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain, where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, and in my research I have never run into any evidence that the inventor was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico.

So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know where that story came from, but that is another myth.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Thomas Alba Edison

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HI EMILIE
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER THIS IS WHAT ALL WE NEED AND ARE LOOKING FOR. THE ANSWER BASE ON REAL FACTS, I WISH I CAN GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO AL THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG TO DREAM, BECAUSE THIS DREAM OR MYTHS IS WHAT KEEP US MOTIVATED IN THIS QUEST, I GROW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN JALISCO AND IT WAS VERY DELIGHTFULL TO LISEN THIS TYPE OF HISTORIES FROM THE ELDER.
BEEN MEXICAN DOES NOT MEANS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ANY OTHER NAMES OR SURNAMES, IT IS JUST THAT AS I SAID IS FUN TO LISEN AND DREAM ABOUT IT,
SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" : --------------

> Luis Miguel,
> Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there
> claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez.
> According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's first name was
> Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people.
> I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's
> first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as
> a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba
> de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and
> then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an
> Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?
>
> Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because
> he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But
> there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain,
> where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes
> on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz,
> Jalisco, and in my research I have never run into any evidence that the inventor
> was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico.
>
> So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know
> where that story came from, but that is another myth.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
> HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME
> UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE
> THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY
> FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF
> YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE
> DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
> SALUDOS
> LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
> -------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia"
> >: --------------
>
> No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case
> of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that
> had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> > Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> >
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> > In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a
> > lot to increase my trees.
> > Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his
> mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> > relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> > Someone Know something about?
> >
> > Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my
> father,
> > she was born in San juan de los Lagos
> > Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her
> Felicitas
> > del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
> > Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> > Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > J. Cristobal Villalobos LomelÃn.
> >
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Thomas Alba Edison- for Emilie

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Hi there Emilie ,

Just to keep things in perspectice I would like to clear things up at least for my part .

I did not say that I believe that Thomas was from Coahuila , I stated that people from there mentioned it to me . So, let's not blow this out of porportion and read correctly what is written .

Until someone can prove otherwise he's from the good ol US of A !

Take care,
Welester

> Luis Miguel,> > Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez. > > According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's
first name was Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people. I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?> > Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain, where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, and in my research I have n
ever run into any evidence that the inventor was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico. > > So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know where that story came from, but that is another myth. > > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA
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HI, CRISTOVAL, THIS SOUNDS CRASY BUT I WENT TO A CATHOLIC COLEGE IN MEXICO THERE WAS THIS NUNE TEACHING FROM SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS SE TOLD ME SOME LIKE THAT AND EVERY TIME I TOLK ABOUT IT NO BODY BELIVE ME.
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH PRIMO
-------------- Original message from JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN : --------------

>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot
> to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834). Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.
>

Thomas Alba Edison

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I found the family of Thomas Alva Edison listed in the Census of 1850 for Milan, Erie County, Ohio.

Samuel Edison age 45, born in Nova Scotia
Nancy Edison age 40, born in New York
William P. age 19, born in Canada
Harriet V. age 16, born in Canada
Alana [?] (male) age 3, born in Ohio
Stephen Elliott age 55, born in Conn [Connecticut?]

That little 3 year old boy must really be "Alva", not Alana, and he was born in 1847, the year Thomas was born. This family is also listed in later American censuses, so it doesn't look like any of them ever went to Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Thomas Alba Edison

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Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > < _________________________________________________________________> Realiza búsquedas en Internet y llévate hasta ¡Un Auto! > http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta acta
> de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas Alva
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Lety (y demás), a mi me platicaron algunas personas que ya fallecieron también la misma historia que la que te contaron, pero además, según eso que para que no fueran a saber que Tomas Alva (Alvarez) Edison no era estadounidense por tantas cosas que inventó, le expidieron un acta donde decía que fue nacido en Estados Unidos. Sería bueno saber si la persona que dice Emily se trata del mismo Alva Edison o quizás sea otra persona apegada a la familia Edison. Una muestra de su ADN también sería ideal para verificar sus orígenes.

No tienes la foto que mencionas para ver el parecido que había con tus antepasados?

Saludos,

Ricardo

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
Enviado el: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:15 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Thomas Alba Edison

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Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los estados unidos.

Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847, y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM
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No tienes la foto que mencionas para ver el parecido que había con tus antepasados?

Saludos,

Ricardo

Thomas Alba Edison

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Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que eran hijos no legitimos de sabe Dios quien, N'est pas? que mas da, se trata de ser buenas personas..
Solo quise compartir lo que me dijo mi abuelita que le dijo su abuelita porque me parecio curioso que en los ultimos 100 anos hemos vivido en el D.F. y que esa historia no es la que esta de moda en Jalisco o se saco de un chat (que por supuesto no habia) sino que ue de generacion a generacion y de verdad la senora vivia acongojada por el hermano.. luego hasta di con el acta que me confundio y que bueno que mi abuela no vivio para saber esos tecnicismos, pero hoy gracias a ustedes encontre a 3 parientes de los que cuentan esa misma historia en otro lugar y estan relacionados directamente con mi familia!!! y eso si es muy bueno..de todos modos si alguien tiene mas sobre los de Alva Alba, sobre todo si alguna estaba casada con Simon De la Mora se los agradeceria muchisimo..thank you Lety Reynoso> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:59:28 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los estados unidos. > > Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847, y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Rodriguez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> >
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Estimada Leticia Reynoso muchas gracias por tus cometarios.
Si me pudieses dar mas datos de tus ancestros de Alba, donde nacieron, yo
tengo información de los de Alba de San Juan de los Lagos.
Posiblemente pudiésemos encontrar información.
Saludos
J. Cristóbal Villalobos

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Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 09:05 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi
tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y
soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de
una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la
genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales
que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que eran hijos no legitimos de
sabe Dios quien, N'est pas? que mas da, se trata de ser buenas personas..
Solo quise compartir lo que me dijo mi abuelita que le dijo su abuelita
porque me parecio curioso que en los ultimos 100 anos hemos vivido en el
D.F. y que esa historia no es la que esta de moda en Jalisco o se saco de un
chat (que por supuesto no habia) sino que ue de generacion a generacion y de
verdad la senora vivia acongojada por el hermano.. luego hasta di con el
acta que me confundio y que bueno que mi abuela no vivio para saber esos
tecnicismos, pero hoy gracias a ustedes encontre a 3 parientes de los que
cuentan esa misma historia en otro lugar y estan relacionados directamente
con mi familia!!! y eso si es muy bueno..de todos modos si alguien tiene mas
sobre los de Alva Alba, sobre todo si alguna estaba casada con Simon De la
Mora se los agradeceria muchisimo..thank you Lety Reynoso> From:
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25
Sep 2008 17:59:28 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison>
> Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en
laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se
podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido
era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su
padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los
estados unidos. > > Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada
or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en
aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847,
y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico
quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?> >
Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick
Rodriguez > To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent:
Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas
Alba Edison> >
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I concur.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:02 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

It seems to me that we have discussed Tom a good bit. He is resting
peacefully (I hope) so maybe we can let him rest for awhile, what do you
think? But if someone finds a good baptism record or tantalizing piece
of factual information showing evidence to old Tom's Mexican roots well
please bring it on. Why don't we give him a bit of a rest for now or
possibly take it to private email. As always I'm not telling folks what
to do just thinking that this might be best for all.

Hemos hablado de Tomas un poco ya. El esta descansando (Ojala que si)
que piensan de que lo dejamos descansar por un rato? Pero si alguien
tiene un acto de baptismo o un acto deliciosio de informacion factual
ensenyando preva de Tomas' conexcion a Mejico bueno mandalo al grupo
para que todos pueden verlo. Porque no horita dejamos a Tomas un
descanso o si quieren lleva la conversacion a correo electronicos
privados. No estoy diciendo que tienen que hacer esto nomas que pienso
que es bueno para todos.

joseph

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Hola J.Cristobal:
Desgraciadamente todo lo que se de ellos es lo que mi abuela me decia cuando me contaba cuentos, que Simon de la Mora (creo que Tostado) era dueño de la tienda del Pueblo estaba casado con alguien quien no recuerdo en este momento se apellidaba de Alba (creo que Alvarez del Castillo)y que tuvo 13 hijos, Cleto,Josefina, Victoriano,Eberarda , Carlos y otros mas que en cuanto los encuentre pues es una rama que tengo muy abandonada pero te la voy a buscar.. Eberarda de la Mora era mi bisabuela pero a mi me encanta buscar... si quieres te ayudo a buscar nexos de esa familia que seguramente es la mia..los de la Mora creo an de Tepatitlan donde el unico Simon con registros estaba casado con Juana de Alba pero si creo que los De Alba eran de San Juan de los lagos. Si estas atorado en algun punto me ofrezco a ayudar en lo que pueda...saludo L. Reynoso
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Hola compañeros, no se si tengan el dato, pero Simón de la Mora y Juana de Alba casaron en Tepatitlán el día 31 de agosto de 1864. Simón es hijo de José María Rudecindo de la Mora Gallegos y Dorotea Martín del Campo Ochoa; y Juana de Alba es hija de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez.

Si alguno de ustedes tiene el dato de los padres de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez se los agradecería muchísimo si me proporcionan el dato.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Thomas Alba Edison

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Hay, Luis,

No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.

Emilie
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

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HOLA OTRA VEZ EMILIE

YO NO DIJO QUE ASI SEA NOMAS COMPARTO LO QUE OI DE NINO EN LA ESCUELA NO TIENE NADA DE MALO SUPONER. YO SE QUE LO MAS PROBLABLE ES QUE NO SEA CIERTO PERO UNO NUNCA SABE LA VIDA NOS DA SORPRESAS SIEMPRE HAY UNA POSIBILIDAD, NO CREES. AL FINAL DE CUENTAS ES UNA FANTASIA COMO CASI TODO EN LA VIDA.

SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ

-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" : --------------

> Hay, Luis,
> No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio
> y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.
>
> Emilie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
> HOLA LETY ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN
> JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
> NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE
> TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS
> ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN
> ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
> SALUDOS
> LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
> -------------- Original message from leticia reynoso
> >: --------------
>
>
> > Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From:
> siriuslr@hotmail.com> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25
> Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > >
> <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta
> acta
> > de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas
> Alva
> > Edison jurarias que tienen algo que ver...en fin..tal vez nunca lo sabremos
> Lety
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Hello Cristobal,

I live 30 min away from San Juan de los Lagos, in Valle de Guadalupe, and I have also heard that same story from the older people here that Thomas Alba Edison was born somewhere in Los Altos and that he went to live to the US when he was young. It would be nice to lookup his birth certificate to see who his parents were.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
Enviado el: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:19 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Best regards
J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.

Thomas Alba Edison & the monjita

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Hi everybody ,

I heard from people that live in Parras , Coahuila that Thomas Alva Edison is from there , go figure .

In my recent request for help I posted a plead for help but, I mispelled the last name of the monjita , it is URZUA from Cienega de Mata , Ojuelos , Jalisco . Her Great Grandfather was Vida Urzua and his wife was Agapita Lopez .

Can anyone help her out with more info on the family line ?

Thanx ,

Welester

> Hello Cristobal,> > I live 30 min away from San Juan de los Lagos, in Valle de Guadalupe, and I have also heard that same story from the older people here that Thomas Alba Edison was born somewhere in Los Altos and that he went to live to the US when he was young. It would be nice to lookup his birth certificate to see who his parents were.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo Rodriguez> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco>
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ESPERANZA

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Yes, I am the same person.

I am sorry, I don't remember the man's name....although I do have a picture
of him. He was one of the councilmen of the town.

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ESPERANZA

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Could you scan the picture and mail it to me ?

Welester

> From: Latina1955@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:01:04 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ESPERANZA> > Yes, I am the same person.> > I am sorry, I don't remember the man's name....although I do have a picture > of him. He was one of the councilmen of the town.> > Esperanza> > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I sent you two pictures---one with the man with the story....and one of the
self-proclaimed historian of Santiago.

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Not a problem , to tell you the truth that has been a rumor in Santiago for a very long time but no one has ever been able to prove it .
I am in contact with several people there that are historians and genealogist and not one of them can even state what the gentleman has stated to you .

Oh well , my family there are Tamez, Saldivar , Almaguer and of course Alvarado they all are very fair of skin and blue eyes and then we start to shade down sort of . ;-)

Welester

P.S. because of you I went to see the exhibit THANX !

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Amelia

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Lester, thanks for responding to my inquiry. Yes, lets stay in touch and
see if we can discover our Alvarado blood line. I'm in the process of
trying to create a family tree so that it will be easier for my fellow

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Amelia

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PARIENTES SANTILLAN DE NOCHISTLAN Y MEXTICACAN VAMOS A COMUNICARNOS Y CONOCER NUESTROS ANTEPASADOS, TENGO INFORMACION Y BUSCOA MAS, QUIEN APORTA MAS

ANTONIO SANTILLAN
PADRE FROYLAN SANTILLAN
ABUELO PRISCILIANO SANTILLAN
BISABUELO BENITO SANTILLAN
TATARABUELO LEANDRO SANTILLAN
CHOSNO SI ASI DE DICE MARCELINO SANTILLAN

VAMOS SANTILLAN DONDE ESTAN????

> From: shizuechan@earthlink.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:51:34 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Amelia> > Lester, thanks for responding to my inquiry. Yes, lets stay in touch and> see if we can discover our Alvarado blood line. I'm in the process of> trying to create a family tree so that it will be easier for my fellow> researchers to see who I'm searching for. I'm going next week to go to> my LDS family history center in Hayward, CA to get some help and guidance. > This is so amazing and gratifying at so many levels, that it's almost scary> to discover who came before us. My father has dementia and can't help me> and I can't find records at his house. I'm still trying to contact> friends and other distant relatives with whom I have had little or no> contact. My father was not close with his family. And yes, hopefully> it turns out that we are primos! Please Lester, if you come across any> other Alvarados from our reach areas, ask t
hem to contact me or contact me> OK? Thanks again for your encouragment and good luck to you too!> > Amelia > > > > [Original Message]> > From: Lester Alvarado > > To: > > Date: 9/27/2008 6:59:17 AM> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Amelia> >> >> > Hi Amelia ,> > > > Sorry to say that I too am stuck with my Alvarados' . I've been trying> unsuccessfully to trace my Great great Grandfather Candelario Alvarados> tracks .> > > > I have him being married twice in Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leion for the> first time that I know of in the year 1833 to a Maria Concepcion Garcia and> ten years later to my Great great Grandmother Quirina Saldivar Gomez in the> year 1844 .> > > > I know that just about all the people from Santiago came from Saltillo ,> Coahuila and before that they came from either Zacatecas or Jalisco . My> problem is that I cannot find the conneciton from Zacatecas , Jalisco to> Coahuila to Santiago .> > > > At present
I don't have Candelarios parents or his second last name . I> thought I found him in Saltillo but it turns out that is not correct .> > > > However ! Amelia lets' keep in touch and see where we can end up , OK .> > > > Your possibly primo ,> > Welester G. Alvarado > > Hola Welester!> My name is Amelia Macias. I just> joint the NR a few days ago and have very little data to go on in the> search for my father's side of the family. My half mom's side is done> thanks to my sister (LDS). I'm looking for the Macias and Alavarado> families of Jalpa and Aguascalientes. Here is my connection to the> Alvarado-Tostado surnames.> > My father, Jose Jesus Tostado Macias' parents> were Jose Macias and Calletana Alvarado Tostado. I'm having trouble> obtaining info from my father, medical reasons. My grandfather Jose was> born 1867 in Jalpa and died in 1951 in Jalpa. My grandmother Calletana died> in 1960 in Jalpa. My father's other siblings were as follows: > > Antonio> Macias, married (Soc
orro) born 1917 died 21 Nov 2005 in Aguascalientes> which still lives there.> Angel Macias, no info> Socorro Macias, died in> Jalpa as at nine months> Socorro Macias, died in Jallpa at age 32> Jose> Jesus Macias, b. 1923 in Jalpa> Jovita Macias, b. abt 1930 > > died in Jalpa as a baby> Jovita Macias born 10 April 1931> > Do you have> any relatives from Jalpa? Do any of these names sound familiar to you?> >> Thanks! Amelia Macias> > >> > _________________________________________________________________> > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part> of your life.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, sen
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Hello Daniel! I had been wondering about Quezada surname in your rootsweb database, what was your source? ´Cause it brings out my curiosity that in this, my era, I always knew my last name is Leon, then about three years ago I found out about the Cos or Coss from my research in films, and then and last I met the Quezada added to Coss Y Leon in your data. So, what is the source?

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Quezada in the early films from Silao I have seen Quezada and Coss y Leon, Coss, Cos, Leon, use interchangably not sure where we get Quezada but must be in Aragon prob a grandfather. Mariano Gonz. Leal is said to publicate research about this family in one of coming volumes, so we will have to wait what he says. Im sure hes also seen Quezada. I will try to get the exact film numbers so you can see Quezada for yourself. -Daniel

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Daniel's email address has been bouncing. If someone in the group is in
communication with him please ask him if he has a new address and if
he'd like to continue his membership in the group?

thanks,

joseph

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Marionicia wrote:
>
> Hello Daniel! I had been wondering about Quezada surname in your
> rootsweb database, what was your source? ´Cause it brings out my
> curiosity that in this, my era, I always knew my last name is Leon,
> then about three years ago I found out about the Cos or Coss from my
> research in films, and then and last I met the Quezada added to Coss Y
> Leon in your data. So, what is the source?
>
> (yeah, remember "what is the matrix?" from the movie) Greetings from
> Leticia Leon
>
>
>

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Hi, All,
I've been having problems with my e-mail so I'm hoping this time I reach someone.

A few days ago I sent the attached information to Gloria Fuentes and (I thought) to Nuestros Ranchos; but I have not seen it posted with the rest of the correspondence, and I don't think Gloria got it either; so I'm re-sending it. Hopefully this time I have the right address(es) and it gets posted in the general correspondence.

Macias in Jalpa

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Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if you
live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.

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I'm almost 100% certain that the LDS won't allow transferring of films
like this but what is the worst that can happen so go ahead and ask. It
could be that they might make an exception, who knows.

Arturo gave some great paths to follow in finding the names of your
grandparents. I'd agree that finding the full names of your grandparents
is your immediate goal because I'm almost positive that your grandfather
was not only a Jose Macias but probably a Jose _____ Macias and your
grandmother a Maria _____ Tostado. If you get their full names then you
might be able to find some of your fathers older siblings baptism
records on that one film that ends in 1919. Yes you have some home work
to do right in the Jalpa records before you expand to other areas, but
yes the other areas will be sources to pursue in time.

joseph

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MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:
> Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
> done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if you
> live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.
> For some reason, from 1891 and forward, for the most part, it lists grandparents
> names but from 1860 to 1890 it does not. Or, let me know what year you are
> looking for and I'll try to find it and forward you a copy.
>
> Mercedes.
>
>
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Meche,

When you say you are almost done with the Jalpa civil records from 1887-1895, does this mean you have copied all the files onto a compact disc?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: MecheChavez@aol.com

> Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
> done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if you
> live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.
> For some reason, from 1891 and forward, for the most part, it lists grandparents
> names but from 1860 to 1890 it does not. Or, let me know what year you are
> looking for and I'll try to find it and forward you a copy.
>
> Mercedes.
>
>
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Meche & Amelia,

I'm also interested in researching the Jalpa records. The last names that I'm working with are Silva, Duran, Chavez & Sanchez. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

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From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias in Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:36 AM

Meche,

When you say you are almost done with the Jalpa civil records from 1887-1895,
does this mean you have copied all the files onto a compact disc?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: MecheChavez@aol.com

> For some reason, from 1891 and forward, for the most part, it lists
grandparents
> names but from 1860 to 1890 it does not. Or, let me know what year you are

> looking for and I'll try to find it and forward you a copy.
>
> Mercedes.
>
>
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Thanks for the tips Arturo. I really appreciate it as I am new to doing
research in Mexico. What is FHL? I have not seen that reference.

Amelia

> [Original Message]
> From: arturoramos
> To:
> Date: 9/22/2008 4:51:19 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias in Jalpa
>
>
> Amelia:
>
> Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find lots of people here
willing to help you with your search.
>
> Genealogy is all about establishing a paper trail that you can follow.
You are in for a bit of a rocky ride because it appears that the baptism
documents from Jalpa for the relevant period (1860-1880) are not filmed by
FHL. I don't know if they were destroyed or simply not filmed. In any
case, you will have to look somewhere else.
>
> The first place to start is to find out your grandmother's last name.
The birth certificate or baptism record of your father/mother should list
this and if it is a Mexican birth certificate or baptism record, it should
also list the grandparents' names in which case you would have your
great-grandparents' names.
>
> The other place to look is border crossing records and social security
death records. If your mother/father immigrated from Mexico, there should
be a border crossing record with his/her parents' names and date and place
of birth.
>
> http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1082
>
> Likewise if your grandfather or father/mother received social security
and has passed away, the Social Security Administration will supply you
with their social security registration which should likewise list their
parents' names and date and place of birth.
>
> http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=3693
>
> The FHL does have civil registry films for marriages between 1900 and
1910 for Jalpa so that may also be a good bet. The marriage registry
should list Jose Macias' and ??? Tostado's parents' names.
>
> Matrimonios 1900-1905 VAULT INTL Film 773885
> Matrimonios 1906-1909 VAULT INTL Film 773886
> Matrimonios 1910-1912,1918-1920 VAULT INTL Film 773887
>
> Good luck.
>

Macias in Jalpa

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Hi Ruben, no I am not that sophisticated. I looked through the micro fiche
film manually. From 1891, for the most part, the paternal and maternal
grandparents are recorded but prior to that you only have parents, and witnesses. I
should have started with the church records first but I didn't. As I said, I am
almost done with those years and will be returning them soon, however, if you
have a specific person and know what year they were born, I will more than
happy to see if I can find it.

Jalpa

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Hello J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

Well, as my surname indicates, I am a Chavez and also a Sanchez and a Duran.
What part of Jalpa are your relatives from? My relatives, as far as I know,
are from El Ojo de Agua, Jabonera and La Pitahaya and maybe from a rancho
called El Aguacate.

Jalpa

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Hi, Meche!!!
My grandfather was born in la Macauta which belongs to "Corral de Piedra", he owned el rancho el Sauz, his name is Pedro Chavez Sanchez.Hopefully we can connect!!!

Lupe

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:

From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:48 PM

Hello J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

Jalpa

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Lupe,

I think you belong to the Vicente Chavez clan. Vicente Chavez and Daniel
Chavez (my great grandfather), I believe where first cousins, have not confirmed
this yet but almost certain. Anyway, if you indeed are from the descendants
of Vicente Chavez, then I will tell you that I did not find any records of him
until late 1895's. I found records of my great grandfather Daniel Chavez in
Jalpa since 1880.

There is a connection of between these Chavez and a rancho called El
Aguacate, which is somewhere in a remote area in of Jalpa because a man by the name
of Serafin Chavez in Jalpa told me this last year and I also confirmed in the
records I have reviewed.

Let me know if I am correct and I will share more information.

Later,

Mercedes

Jalpa

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Meche,

Yes you are correct, the only info that i have is the date of birth, and marriage date of vicente chavez, the place and parents name don't appear on the sources I've researched.

lupe

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:

From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:59 AM

Lupe,

I think you belong to the Vicente Chavez clan. Vicente Chavez and Daniel
Chavez (my great grandfather), I believe where first cousins, have not
confirmed
this yet but almost certain. Anyway, if you indeed are from the descendants
of Vicente Chavez, then I will tell you that I did not find any records of him
until late 1895's. I found records of my great grandfather Daniel Chavez in

Jalpa since 1880.

There is a connection of between these Chavez and a rancho called El
Aguacate, which is somewhere in a remote area in of Jalpa because a man by the
name
of Serafin Chavez in Jalpa told me this last year and I also confirmed in the
records I have reviewed.

Let me know if I am correct and I will share more information.

Later,

Mercedes

Jalpa

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Lupe,

Actually I have that information, but currently I am remodeling my house and
don't have that information handy. In my research I ran across a birth record
of one of his children in late 1897 -1903 and made a copy of it. It has his
parents and his wife's parents names that is how I realized he was not brother
to Daniel Chavez but most likely his first cousin. I made a copy of it
because further in my research if they are indeed first cousins then I have too
leads to go by. Also, I believe Vicente Chavez Sanchez was also related to my
great-grandmother Emiteria Sanchez Flores. I go to the family research center on
Thursdays. Next week, I will look it up again and send you the info.

If you are serious about doing geneology then we can work together on this
and eliminate double and perhaps triple work becuase our lineage crosses with-in
the fourth or fifth generation. It won't be an easy task because many
records are missing from Jalpa.

Last year when I went to Jalpa, I met Pedro Chavez' second wife Dona Lupe who
now lives at El Ojo de Agua.

Later,

Mercedes

Jalpa

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Mercedes,

Antes que nada aprovecho para saludarte.Indudablemente creo que si tambien por los Sanchez tambien tengamos parentezco.Por lo que se, es que mi bisabuelo Vicente Chavez Sanchez quedo viudo y creo que se caso con la mama de su nuera o sea la mama de mi abuela Ma. de Jesus Sanchez Duran, que tambien habia quedado viuda.Entonces mis abuelos tienen medios hermanos en comun pero ellos no se llaman nada. yo se es algo confuso, aun a mi, me confunden algunos parentezcos.Entonces por lo tanto hay 3: Vicente Chavez Sanchez.
uno es mi bisabuelo, otro mi tio hermano de mi mama y el otro mi tio medio hermano de mis abuelos. Espero y no te haya confundido!

Lupe

--- On Fri, 9/26/08, MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:

From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 1:18 AM

Lupe,

leads to go by. Also, I believe Vicente Chavez Sanchez was also related to my
great-grandmother Emiteria Sanchez Flores. I go to the family research center
on
Thursdays. Next week, I will look it up again and send you the info.

If you are serious about doing geneology then we can work together on this
and eliminate double and perhaps triple work becuase our lineage crosses
with-in
the fourth or fifth generation. It won't be an easy task because many
records are missing from Jalpa.

Last year when I went to Jalpa, I met Pedro Chavez' second wife Dona Lupe
who
now lives at El Ojo de Agua.

Later,

Mercedes

Jalpa

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Hola Lupe,

Espera....barajeamela mas despacio por que todavia me esta dando vueltas la
cabeza.....no te creas es broma =) Estoy segura que en Jalpa la mayoria somos
parientes por un lado u otro, unos lejanos y otros cercanos pero todos
parientes. Creo que por eso existe la imigracion para que los genes tengan
variedad. Y si tienes muchas razon, el parenteso muchas veces es bastante confuso por
eso ahora anoto todo.

Base a mi repasos hay muchos Chavez en Jalpa. El Vicente Chavez que era
primo hermano de mi bisabuelo Daniel Chavez, segun yo se, era muy muy pobre y tuvo
la suerte de encontrarse dinero. La familia de Vicente Chavez fue muy
numerosa y uno de su hijos Antonio Chavez fue padrino de mi tio. Mi interes en
saber informacion sobre Vicente Chavez Sanchez es porque el era la unica persona
que yo sabia por lo Chavez era pariente de mi bisabuelo Daniel Chavez pero base
a mi investigacion hoy se que tuvo un hermano llamado Adrian Chavez.

Te voy a ser sincera, mi investigacion la estoy haciendo a paso de tortuga.
Ya tengo como un ano (sorry I can't get the squigley line over the n) y a
penas estoy terminado 4 films de registros civiles de Jalpa de 1880 hasta 1903.
Te dire es bastante interesante pues te das cuenta de unos chismesitos....jee
jee.

Segun me dijeron todavia vive el hijo menor de Vicente Chavez que se llama
Jesus Chavez que ya esta bastante avanzando de edad. Si lo conoces y tienes una
buena relacion con su familia seria bueno que hablaras con el para que te de
mas informacion, porque se que existen parientes nuestros en El Aguacate..

Lupe donde resides?

Hasta pronto!

Mercedes

to Welester

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What I said was, "I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco".

I didn't say you said Thomas was from Coahuila, just that the story also came from there. The Edison descendant said he wouldn't care if Thomas was born in Mexico if he was, but he knows he wasn't. Why should it be proved otherwise?

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Emilie,

Maybe you can't see where you are implying that I believe that Thomas comes from Coahila but , when a person says " I THINK " that implies that they may believe it or may believe it to be TRUE .

I, in no way THINK or BELIEVE this to be true or possible .

As for the proof , don't you think as a genealogist you've learned that word of mouth cannot be enough we all look for documents and or in this case as someone mentioned a DNA test .

Hopes this clears up some of the issues here Emilie . Let's end this one here , OK .

Take care,
Welester

>> What I said was, "I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco". > > I didn't say you said Thomas was from Coahuila, just that the story also came from there. The Edison descendant said he wouldn't care if Thomas was born in Mexico if he was, but he knows he wasn't. Why should it be proved otherwise? > > Emilie >
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Just had to put my 2 cents worth in.. This dialogue shows how many of us who are working on documenting the truth that may change the family stories is sometimes uncomfortable or unwelcome by older family members. Oral traditions usually have at least a grain of truth and when we discover records disproving the stories/history that the elders have shared it is not always received with open arms. Most people don't like to be told things that change their truth as they have known it.

In my Castanon family we have had a family reunion once a year for the last 30 years. I usually share what I've found that year proving or disproving our history from the district of Jerez Zacatecas.. I have learned to temper what I share since it is not always welcome.

My research proved we were not French or German as I was told by my grandfather. My researched showed my gr-grandparents were cousins, that certainly was not welcomed since my Fathers generation knew them and just knew that "good" Catholics did not marry their cousins. My researched proved Mulato and Indio ancestors and the elders knew that couldn't be true since a black person never lived in the district of Jerez Zacatecas!

In my case I am the last generation that understands or speaks any Spanish at all so I felt I was the one most able to do the research that future generations might not be able to do as easily. I also know that research usually means the most to those of us who've done the work, put in the time and money and shared openly and freely what the documentation has proved to us.. and then again... documentation is not always correct since we've seen many errors in records and have to almost see a name at least twice to feel we have proved the truth.. just my 2 cents worth.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Lester Alvarado wrote:

From: Lester Alvarado
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Emilie
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:55 AM

As for the proof , don't you think as a genealogist you've learned that
word of mouth cannot be enough we all look for documents and or in this case as
someone mentioned a DNA test .

Welester

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I apologize if I misinterpreted what you had said.

What I was trying to point out to people in Mexico who think that Alva Edison was a surname, is that in America men used old-fashioned given names out of the Bible, and that in Mexico he would have been known as Thomas Alva Edison Elliott.

I found Thomas listed originally in a census as Alvah, and it comes from the Bible, Chronicles 1: "The chiefs of Edom were: chiefs Timna, Alvah, Jetheth, 52 Oholibamah, Elah, Pinon, 53 Kenaz, Teman, Mibzar, 54 Magdiel, and Iram; these are the chiefs of Edom".

Emilie

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Hi Emilie ,

Lets' start all over . Hi , My name is Welester G. Alvarado it's indeed a pleasure to know you and there is absolutely no need for you to apoligize .

I am an American from Los Angeles , California now living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here almost 7 yrs. ago to find my roots . I was only going to stay here for one year and ended up going on 7 .

In the process I started two companies and still haven't finished my genealogy . I found some of my ancestors from Zacatecas ( Saldivar , Trevino maybe Alvarado ) . Esther Herold helped me connect the dots from there to Monterrey .

Take care ,
Welester> > > I apologize if I misinterpreted what you had said. > > What I was trying to point out to people in Mexico who think that Alva Edison was a surname, is that in America men used old-fashioned given names out of the Bible, and that in Mexico he would have been known as Thomas Alva Edison Elliott. > > I found Thomas listed originally in a census as Alvah, and it comes from the Bible, Chronicles 1: "The chiefs of Edom were: chiefs Timna, Alvah, Jetheth, 52 Oholibamah, Elah, Pinon, 53 Kenaz, Teman, Mibzar, 54 Magdiel, and Iram; these are the chiefs of Edom".> > Emilie> > >
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BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.

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Hola mi nombre es JOsé María Vallejo, me gusta la genealogia y conozco algunas familias de Jalos, ya que soy originario de este Municipio, y me gustaria ayudarte en el tema.
Conozco un Miguel Gutiérrez de la Torre, el es hijo de Pascual de la Torre, elte ultimo es hijo de FRancisco de la Torre, a la vez hijo de BuenaVentura de la Torre, informame si setrata de tus familiares o quienes son:

Sin más de Momento, te envió un saludo.

ATTE.
José María Vallejo. > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:59:20 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > > BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Jose Maria, Tengo 10 hijos de Buenaventura y Maria Feliciana Alvarez, no tengo a Francisco que año nacio? No soy ese pero parece que tendriamos que ser parientes si hablamos del mismo Buenaventura de la Torre.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez de la Torre
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM
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Sin más de Momento, te envió un saludo.

AGRADECER

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HOLA PROMO JOSE MARIA GRACIAS PERO YA ENCONTRE A MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ Y COMO DICE EL EN SU CONTESTACION DEVEMOS SER PARIENTES LE REITERO MI AGRADECIMIENTO SI NECESITA ALGUN DATO Y SE LO PUEDO PROVEER CON TODO GUSTO SALUDOS

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DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO

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Hola Miguel, agradezco tu atención, sobre los que me dices de los 10 hijos de Buenaventura de la Torre y María Feliciana Alvarez, no tenia conociento de los 10 hijos, seria mucho pedirte que me enviaran los nombre y de quién eres descendiente, ya que aunque yo no tengo el de la Torre hasta mis tatarabuelos, si tengo primos que se apellidan Mercado de la Torre, bisnietos de Abraham de la Torre que caso con Ruperta Mercado Reynoso.

Sería muy interesante e importante para mi el que me dieras esta información y así tener más información de esta familia y tambien facilitarte información que tengo.

Espero tu respuesta.

Hasta pronto, recibe saludos.> From: miggychino@msn.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:34:49 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > Jose Maria, Tengo 10 hijos de Buenaventura y Maria Feliciana Alvarez, no tengo a Francisco que año nacio? No soy ese pero parece que tendriamos que ser parientes si hablamos del mismo Buenaventura de la Torre.> > Miguel Angel Gutierrez de la Torre> ----- Original Message ----- > From: jose maria vallejo mercado > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > > > > Hola mi nombre es JOsé María Vallejo, me gusta la genealogia y conozco algunas familias de Jalos, ya que soy originario de este Municipio, y me gustaria ayudarte en el tema. > Conozco un Miguel Gutiérrez de la Torre, el es hijo de Pascual de la Torre, elte ultimo es hijo de FRancisco de la Torre, a la vez hijo de BuenaVentura de la Torre, informame si setrata de tus familiares o quienes son: > > Sin más de Momento, te envió un saludo.> > ATTE. > José María Vallejo. > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:59:20 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > > BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Realiza búsquedas en Internet y llévate hasta ¡Un Auto! > http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Luis, escribeme a (Miggychino@msn.com)
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BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.

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FUN FACT

Ygnacia de Leon (b. Abt. 1702 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico)

Ygnacia de Leon is my 5th Great Grandaunt twice (both of her brothers, Francisco Xavier and Bartholome, are my 5th Great Grandfathers) and she is also my 6th Grandmother (equal to her father, Manuel de Leon, who is also my 6th Grandfather twice via Francisco Xavier and Bartholome, and who is also my 7th Great Grandfather via Ygnacia) !!

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a lil correction

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Oops!

I meant to say that Ygnacia was my 6th Great Grandmother and that her father Manuel was my 6th Great Grandfather and 7th Great Grandfather respectively

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Juan Cristobal,

I sent that link to my husband's Encarnacio de Diaz familie to your prodigy e-mail address, since I saw that it can't be opened from the Nuestros Ranchos site.

Emilie

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Dear Emilie,

Thanks a lot for all the information, I am going to analyze it, and try to
found some relationship, if I found it I let you Know.
Maybe for the Villalobos side or the Alba side.

Juan Cristóbal

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
Garcia
Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 09:03 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Juan Cristobal

Juan Cristobal,

I sent that link to my husband's Encarnacio de Diaz familie to your prodigy
e-mail address, since I saw that it can't be opened from the Nuestros
Ranchos site.

Emilie

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Juan Cristobal,

I meant to say that my husband's great-grandmother was Marciana Cervantes. I left out a generation there. My husband's grandfather, father of Enrique, was Primitivo Garcia, and his grandmother was Maria Hinojosa.

T. Alva Edison on 1860 census

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I found Thomas Alva Edison on the 1860 census for Port Huron, St. Clair County, Michigan:

Samuel Edison age 55 farmer born in N.Scotia
Nancy age 51 born in N. Y.

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Hola PP Chuy,

De pura casualidad el nombre de tu tatarabuelo no sería JUSTO DÍAZ? Casado
con FELICITAS MARTIN el 20 de Mayo de 1875 en San Miguel?
Si es así quizás te pueda conseguir el acta de matrimonio en mi siguiente
ida a San Miguel.

Saludos,

Ricardo

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de ppchuy
Enviado el: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:41 PM
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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIAZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO

HOLA A TODOS, UNA RAMA DE MI FAMILIA ES POR PARTE DE MI MAMA , SU BISABUELA
ERA FRANCISCA DIAZ MARTIN NACIDA COMO EN 1885 EN SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO HIJA DE
FAUSTO DIAZ Y FELICITAS MARTIN POR SI ALGUIEN SABE ALGO DE LOS ANCESTROS DE
MI BISABUELA SE LOS AGREDECERE MUCHO CUALQUIER COMENTARIO, UN SALUDO

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si

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Asi es Ricardo, esos mismos son mis parientes

Prieto, Delgadillo, Medrano

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Raymond,

Nochistlan Zacatecas y sus alrededores, abundan con los tres apellidos, Prieto, Delgadillo y Medrano, quizas si no has investigado en esta ciudad y las ciudades circum-vecinas como Mexticacan y Teocaltiche, te seria productivo investigarlas.

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Prieto, Delgadillo, Medrano

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Aqui esta el matrimonio de Juana Prieto con Emeterio Delgadillo, se casaron en Nochistlan el 29 de Enero de 1885.

JUANA PRIETO Pedigree
Female Family

________________________________
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

________________________________
Marriages:
Spouse: EMETERIO DELGADILLO Family
Marriage: 29 JAN 1885 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

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Messages:
Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records
are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

________________________________
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:

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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:31:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prieto, Delgadillo, Medrano

saludos desde houston. estoy interesado de buscar datos de familiares en aguascalientes con apellido de medrano o delgadillo o prieto. He oido que antes de 1830 fueron de zacatecas y despues colocaron en aguascalientes. Los unicos nombres que tengo son Emeterio Delgadillo, Juana Prieto, Maria Delgadillo Prieto, Ignacio Medrano. Muchas gracias adelantadas en cualquier ayuda que pueden presentar.

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Emilia Aburto.second last name was ?
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 10:55 PM

hola . contestando tu pregunta yo soy de agascalintes y conosco muy bien el
estado.lo que es sobre la genealogia de el apellido rincon gallardo .y si tu
apellido es ese y si estas buscando otro apellido se tiene que tener
ralacion con la genealogia de rincon gallado ya que es el unico en
aguascalintes de
don de empesaron las raizes del apellido.

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I am conducting research on the Cano's from Arandas, Ayo el Chico and Rancho Corrales and Rancho Cabrito in los Altos de Jalisco. If anyone is doing research on Cano's in this area please contact me so that we can share information. I am doing research on Rafael Cano born on Rancho Corrales about 1782 and his father Vicente Cano a resident of Rancho Corrales born about 1758. I would appreciate your assistance. Also does anyone know who the main branch or first Cano to arrive in this area of Jalisco might have been. Thank you. Luis Cano (lcanogalavizedu@yahoo.com)

Surname: Macias

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My name is Amelia Macias. I'm trying to get information on relatives on my father's side of the family. At this time, I have very little information to go on, but hope that as I research chruch records, and known relatives that I may be able to supply information in more detail.

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Macias in Jalpa

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Amelia:

Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find lots of people here willing to help you with your search.

Genealogy is all about establishing a paper trail that you can follow. You are in for a bit of a rocky ride because it appears that the baptism documents from Jalpa for the relevant period (1860-1880) are not filmed by FHL. I don't know if they were destroyed or simply not filmed. In any case, you will have to look somewhere else.

The first place to start is to find out your grandmother's last name. The birth certificate or baptism record of your father/mother should list this and if it is a Mexican birth certificate or baptism record, it should also list the grandparents' names in which case you would have your great-grandparents' names.

The other place to look is border crossing records and social security death records. If your mother/father immigrated from Mexico, there should be a border crossing record with his/her parents' names and date and place of birth.

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1082

Likewise if your grandfather or father/mother received social security and has passed away, the Social Security Administration will supply you with their social security registration which should likewise list their parents' names and date and place of birth.

http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=3693

The FHL does have civil registry films for marriages between 1900 and 1910 for Jalpa so that may also be a good bet. The marriage registry should list Jose Macias' and ??? Tostado's parents' names.

Matrimonios 1900-1905 VAULT INTL Film 773885
Matrimonios 1906-1909 VAULT INTL Film 773886
Matrimonios 1910-1912,1918-1920 VAULT INTL Film 773887

Good luck.

Surname: Macias

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Amelia, I inquired regading marriage certicates at the main church in Jalpa,
last year. Unfortuntely, before 1910 they do not have the records but the
lady told me that surrounding towns might have them, so it will be a struggle.
You might, check out films from LDS regarding surrounding towns, for example
Juchipila was at a time the main town where the records where kept.

Surname: Macias

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Amelia,
I have found many records of families from Jalpa in Nochistlan, Zac, you might also try Calvillo Aguascalientes or Tabasco Zacatecas.

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Surname: Macias

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That is correct. The lady from the church did mention Tabasco, so that is
probably a good place to start.

Ontiveros de Pozo Hondo Zacatecas

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Acabo de enterarme que el apellido Ontiveros de mi familia vienen de Pozo Hondo, Villa de Cos en Zacatecas
Lo unico que tengo de ese lado de mi familia es lo siguiente :
Julian Ontiveros ( casado con Monica Arrambide Galvan) hijo de Andres Ontiveros y Cipriana Hernanadez, se que no es gran cosa, pero si alguien tiene estos nombres en su arbol me gustaria ver la informacion.

San Juan De Los Lagos: Look Up Request

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Can somone look these up for me next time you're at your FHC?:

ESTANISLAO MARQUEZ MUNOZ
Christening: 10 MAY 1874 San Juan De Los Lagos
Parents: Father: TEODORO MARQUEZ
Mother: ANTONIA MUNOZ

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San Juan De Los Lagos: Look Up Request

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Primo Joseph, Good to hear from you, and hopefully, all is well after the recent storms. I have been following the recommendation as posted, do believe by David Delgado, of ordering copies from Salt Lake.
On the Family Search site there is a form, "Request for Photocopies", For two dollars, with a maximum of 8 copies per order you will receive a 11X14 copy of the actual document, which certainly beats the poor quality available at the local FHC.

I have been receiving my request in about two weeks time, and since most of my request have been one item per film, beats ordering an entire film for a single record. Also, many of the films I had ordered were months on back order. This is a wonderful service.
Saludos,
Helyn

makas_nc wrote:

Can somone look these up for me next time you're at your FHC?:

ESTANISLAO MARQUEZ MUNOZ
Christening: 10 MAY 1874 San Juan De Los Lagos
Parents: Father: TEODORO MARQUEZ
Mother: ANTONIA MUNOZ
C603411 1873 - 1875 0220669

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SATURNINA MARQUEZ MUNOZ
Christening: 01 DEC 1872 San Juan De Los Lagos
Parents: Father: TEODORO MARQUEZ
Mother: ANTONIA MUNOZ
K603409 1871 - 1873 0220668

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TEODORO MARQUEZ
Spouse: ANTONIA MUNOZ Family
Marriage: 29 NOV 1871 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
M603415 1864 - 1878 0220712

joseph

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San Juan De Los Lagos: Look Up Request

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Thanks Helyn,

I just downloaded the form and will have this request in the mail
tomorrow. Thanks for reminding me of this service it is the first time
I'm using it.

thanks,

your primo, joseph

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Santos Luna wrote:
> Primo Joseph, Good to hear from you, and hopefully, all is well after the recent storms. I have been following the recommendation as posted, do believe by David Delgado, of ordering copies from Salt Lake.
> On the Family Search site there is a form, "Request for Photocopies", For two dollars, with a maximum of 8 copies per order you will receive a 11X14 copy of the actual document, which certainly beats the poor quality available at the local FHC.
>
> I have been receiving my request in about two weeks time, and since most of my request have been one item per film, beats ordering an entire film for a single record. Also, many of the films I had ordered were months on back order. This is a wonderful service.
> Saludos,
> Helyn
>
>
> makas_nc wrote:
>
> Can somone look these up for me next time you're at your FHC?:
>
> ESTANISLAO MARQUEZ MUNOZ
> Christening: 10 MAY 1874 San Juan De Los Lagos
> Parents: Father: TEODORO MARQUEZ
> Mother: ANTONIA MUNOZ
> C603411 1873 - 1875 0220669
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> SATURNINA MARQUEZ MUNOZ
> Christening: 01 DEC 1872 San Juan De Los Lagos
> Parents: Father: TEODORO MARQUEZ
> Mother: ANTONIA MUNOZ
> K603409 1871 - 1873 0220668
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> TEODORO MARQUEZ
> Spouse: ANTONIA MUNOZ Family
> Marriage: 29 NOV 1871 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
> M603415 1864 - 1878 0220712
>
>
>

Thanx

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Howdy Bill ,

Thanx for the heads up with ol Alvaro . Im seeing Pepe this week . If you ever get to come here I'll make sure to take you to the ancient indian paintings . The Arqui. aka Pepe took me to see them .

LOOK UP REQUEST-SAGRADA MITRA BOOK

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Hola Members Y Primos, I have searching for Vicente Hermosillo . I looked in San Juan de Los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno matrimonios around 1740 to 1760 ( can't remember)any way no dice. I figured around 1755 because of son Juan de La Trinidad Hermosillo birth. Vicente Hermosillo married Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla daughter of Miguel Geronimo Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila born on 05 may 1726 ,San Juan de Los Lagos. Could some one look up in La Sagrada Mitra to see if Vicente Hermosillo and Maria Inez De La Trinidad Martin De Padilla Marriage

LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO

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HOLA A ATODOS PUES ME GUSTARIA COMPARTIR PARTE DE MI INVESTIGACION DE MI FAMILIA EN SAN MIGUEL, DE PARTE DE MI PAPA, MI BISABUELO SE LLAMABA PABLO JIMENEZ OROZCO, HIJO DE JUAN JIMENEZ Y FERMINA OROZCO NACIDO EN LA CIENEGA MUNICIPIO DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JAL, PABLO NACIO EN 1877, SUS ABUELOS MATERNOS ERAN PATRICIO OROZCO Y MICAELA JIMENEZ SON LOS UNICOS DATOS QUE TENGO DE ELLOS, POR PAERTE DE MI ABUELA MATERNA MI BISABUELO SE LLAMABA JOSE DE JESUS JIMENEZ HERMOSILLO, HIJO DE TEODORO JIMENEZ LOPEZ Y CAMILA HERMOSILLO JIMENEZ, ABUELOS PATERNOS CASIMIRO JIMENEZ Y DESIDERIA LOPEZ, ABUELOS MATERNOS FRANSISCO HERMOSILLO Y NICOLASA JIMENEZ, NACIO EN LA CIENEGA MUNICIPIO DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO COMO EN 1893, SI ALGUIEN SABE ALGO DE ESTAS FAMILIAS ME INTERESARIA PODER COMUNICARMOS PARA ACRESENTAR MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO, MIL GRACIAS

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LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL

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HOLA, PRIMO NO ESTOY MUY SEGURO QUIEN ERES PERO TENGO IDEA. SOY NIETO DE MARTIN JIMENEZ TENGO MUCHA INFORMACION QUE PUDIERA SERTE UTIL SOBRE LOS JIMENEZ Y LOS HERMOSILLO, ASI COMO DE OTROS APEIDOS, NO DUDES EN CONTESTARME, ATENTAMENTE LUIS.

LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL

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Hola Luis, contestame para comparar informacion de nuestros parientes

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LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL

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HOLA LUIS GONZALEZ JIMENEZ ESTOY EN LINEA ME GUSTARIA COMUNICARME CONTIGO PUEDES PASARME TU CORREO, O MSN PARA PODER INTERCAMBIAR INFORMACION, TE ENVIE 2 CORREOS, ESPERO CONTESTES RAPIDO UN SALUDO

LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL

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HOLA LUIS GONZALEZ JIMENEZ ESTOY EN LINEA ME GUSTARIA COMUNICARME CONTIGO PUEDES PASARME TU CORREO, O MSN PARA PODER INTERCAMBIAR INFORMACION, TE ENVIE 2 CORREOS, ESPERO CONTESTES RAPIDO UN SALUDO

LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN

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HOLA PRIMO YA TE MANDE UNA INVITACION POR EL WINDOW LIVE ASI PODEMOS
PLATICAR DIRECTAMENTE ACEPTALA, SALUDOS

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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:27 PM
To:
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>
> HOLA LUIS GONZALEZ JIMENEZ ESTOY EN LINEA ME GUSTARIA COMUNICARME
> CONTIGO PUEDES PASARME TU CORREO, O MSN PARA PODER INTERCAMBIAR
> INFORMACION, TE ENVIE 2 CORREOS, ESPERO CONTESTES RAPIDO UN SALUDO

LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO

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PPCHUY- Francisco Jimenez tengo nacido Mayo 31, 1831 San Miguel necesito la acta actual. encontere 2 hermanos Jose de Santa RitaMayo 27, 1820 y J Jose Merced Agosto 7, 1833 hijos de Maximo Hermosill y Paula Gomez film#2794245. Su esposa Nicolasa Jimenez nacio Diciembre 12, 1834 en San Miguel hija de Benigno Jimenez y Mariana (Ana)Gonzalez. de quien deciendes . Que tan cercano eres de mi tio martin Jimenez.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez de la Torre
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LOS JIMENEZ DE SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO JALISCO

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PPchuy, Pablo Jimenez es papa de mi tio Martin Jimenez casado con mi tia Chona de la Torre.

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Martha DuronJimenez Books

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John Gonzalez,

A while ago you mentioned a book by Martha Duron Jimenez.

I am wondering if you know of a book of hers that lists her Duron ancestors.

One of my husband's lines are the Durons of Aguascalientes.

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Martha DuronJimenez Books

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Hi Emilie:

I am sorry but I don't have any knowledge of Profesora Martha Duron Jimenez
having written any books about her own family.
She has author and co-author a number of books and studies, but I don't
recall seeing anything about the "Duron" She has done a lot of research on
Santo Toribio Romo Gonzalez family in addition to historical research in
Saltillo and Los Altos de Jalisco.
It is very possible that she has also researched her own family, but I can't
be sure.
Maria Cortez, from San Jose, has a close, friendly relation with Martha
Duron. You might want to contact Maria to find out more about Profesora
Duron.

I am sorry I couldn't be of any help this time.

John Gonzalez.

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From: "Emilie Garcia"
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 16:51
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martha DuronJimenez Books

> John Gonzalez,
>
> A while ago you mentioned a book by Martha Duron Jimenez.
>
> I am wondering if you know of a book of hers that lists her Duron
> ancestors.
>
> One of my husband's lines are the Durons of Aguascalientes.
>
> In his lines are also those surnames you mentioned were in her book
> "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y Los Altos de Jalisco", the Gonzalez,
> Martin, Munos, Perez, etc., but right now I would like to know more about
> the Durons of Aguascalientes.

Martha DuronJimenez Books

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Hi John,

Como haz estado? Cuales son los antepasados de Santo Toribio Romo? Podemos considerarlo "primo"? :-)

Saludos,
Sandra Gómez Mendoza
San Antonio, TX

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Hi Emilie:

I am sorry I couldn't be of any help this time.

John Gonzalez.

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Message for Michel, Roberto (Ejutla, Jalisco)

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I have some data to share to connect your Michel side to the big tree

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The original GARCIA last name is "GARCIA DE ALBA"

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I have two connections to my research based on your files.
You can contact me so we can add to your data.

The original GARCIA last name is "GARCIA DE ALBA"

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Hi.
I don't know if you sent this e-mail to me specifically or to the group in general, but since I am a Garcia, here's what I know about my Garcia side:
---Zaturnino GARCIA is my father's name and he was born in Monte Redondo, baptized in Cruillas, Tamaulipas. I have not been able to get any information on either of his parents or grandparents except for what appears on his birth certificate:
-his parents were Ascencion GARCIA and Felisitas HERNANDES,
-paternal grandparents were Francisco GARCIA and Maria Andrea ALCALA,
-maternal grandparents were Nestor HERNANDES and Teofila AGUILAR.
- - -And that's all I know. I have no indication that any of Dad's family comes from Jalisco (which is where my mother's Sandoval family comes from), but ironically, I have found the last name ALCALA in Jalisco records but not a trace in Tamaulipas. I have not brought it up in the NR site because I have no indication Dad's ALCALA family comes from Jalisco, but who knows? If any of these names sound familiar, please let me know, any leads will be much appreciated.

Mil Gracias
Irene GarciaSandoval

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From: papa salvador
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The original GARCIA last name is "GARCIA DE ALBA"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:53 AM

I have two connections to my research based on your files.
You can contact me so we can add to your data.

Fw: Brothers, friend take shot at making premium tequila

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Comrades,
here's an article on two brothers from Jalisco,
thought it might be interesting and a possible family connection

Yolanda Guerra

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Tequila

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Tequila is one of my interests as well. Thanks for the article. There is also a tequila, Tequila Partida, which was started by Sofia Partida from LA and an investor from San Francisco. Sofia has family ties to Amatitan, Jalisco. If you are intersted go to: www.partidatequila.com. She has a similar story to the two brothers you mention in your email.

Enjoy,
Juan C. Aguayo

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