Nuestros Ranchos Site

Figen and I have been married since 1995. . .not a real long time but
sort of. Anyway it's amazing how she and I think alike at times and at
the same time.

I had been thinking something this morning and she just piped in with
the same thought and I wanted to share it with you as it is about a
Nuestros Ranchos Member: John Robles and his group: El Son del Pueblo
(http://www.elsondelpueblo.com/).

Figen and I are having company later today and also next weekend. So
that means doing a clean up which usually means me doing the Kitchen and
my messed up desk and She does the lion's share of other areas though we
often split the bathrooms. . . .hmmm, I have gotten off the subject.

so anyway as we clean usually she says "why is there no music?" so today
I beat her to the punch and said "why is there no music?" and she said
she was thinking the same thing.

Now I don't like over doing my listening of any one thing to much so
after listening to 75% of the tracks of John Robles CD
(http://cdbaby.com/cd/esdp) when I first got it awhile back I thought it
would be in order to give the CD another listen while we cleaned. Well I
was soooooo enjoying it and then in one of the tracks either John or
Jorge Mijangos sang out something like "el pueblo mas bonito, Santa
Paula" and it brought back memories of my Dad who was born in Santa
Paula and Mom who worked there and they were married there and started
their family their. But as the CD played on I just kept marveling that
it just kept on "staying good" track after track. So then I'm thinking
that and suddenly Figen chimed in "I really like that music." Wow. She
is from Turkey and has no reason to like something Mexican other than it
being good and this Music is good especially if you like the Veracruz
folk harp (arpa jarocha). . .hard not to dance around listening to it.

John and I have been talking about him doing an Audio presentation for
the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project on the History of the
music style he plays from Veracruz.

Just wanted to give others my feed back that this music is definitely
worth adding to your collection (and no I'm not on the payroll or a
stock holder, neither did I get a discount or a percentage).

have a listen,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I am now quite at home by-the-sea in San Francisco.

I updated my email address but still have not received any emailings from our group:(

I was SHOCKED to find out that there is no Family History Center in San Francisco! Only one on Pacific that is open by appointment only.

Even worse, there is no Home Depot, and no 99 centavos Only stores.

How am I supposed to get my new apartment building on its feet without Home Depot?

I made a major genealogical break through. A stranger from Corpus Christi emailed me. He told me his own (Jurado) grandmother left him a box full of letters and old documents, and recipes from someone named Maria del Rayo Caballero.

From the content of the documents and civil filings he concluded Maria del Rayo Caballero was a wealthy woman, and his grandmother might have worked for her.

Then he found my maternal website. The first time he knew who Maria del Rayo Caballero was.

My ggggrandmother who was born around 1782. Not only did he have her correspondence, but her picture! I never dreamed there could be a photo of any of my relatives that far back, seven generations. She was born before photography, but in her old age lived into that era.

He went on to tell me the recipes were written in her own hand, dozens of them, dated in the 1830s, in beautiful, perfectly legible script, with a notation that these recipes were cooked in her kitchen.

Of course he never gave me so much as a recipe for frijoles!
He says he's going to publish a book based on my family recipes, which is just fine. I had hoped to share them with you here. But if I have to buy a copy I will be glad to!

He also told me that he has a novena card of hers dated 1802 with the prayers she recited as a child.

But his nudge encouraged me to further research Maria del Rayo Caballero.
I was able to push my ancestry through her all the way back to Cristobal Caballero and Ana de Pena who were born in Cordoba, Spain around the 1630s.

I almost feel like I knew Maria del Rayo Caballero. I feel a deep affection for her.

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I've been on the road since the end of Sept but have made it a point to read the postings even though I haven't responded. I'm happy to see so many new Spanish speaking members even though I don't read it very well my knowledge is expanding because of them by way of bablefish.. Welcome.

I also want to welcome Daniel Mendez who's gr-grandfather Francisco Mendez was brother to my gr-mother Maria Mendez from Tamazula Jalisco. Because he saw my postings on Ancestry.com he was able to contact me about some serious errors I had made on the Mendez family tree in the 1900's. I took names on old photo's as fact and put them in my records in error. I thank Daniel for taking the time to contact me with the corrections on his family tree. It turned out an unknown photo was Daniels father and older brother taken at my uncles home 20 or so years ago, long before I started working the genealogy of the Mendez family in Tamazula Jalisco.

I'm very happy to be back online in Everett Wa. again
Linda Castanon-Long

Mi nombre es Celestino Alonso Villalobos Esquivel, nací en Nvo Laredo Tamaulipas, a los 23 años aproximadamente emigre a los Estados Unidos donde me case, tengo casi 50 años, lo que significa que tengo viviendo en los Estados Unidos poco menos de 27 años resido en Dallas Texas, donde trabajo en una compañia donde fabrican productos de drenaje de todos tipos, ya en esta compañia tengo 20 años trabajando, tengo cinco hijos el menor se llama como yo, dentro de mi familia soy la persona que más interes tiene en la Historia Familiar, como hace diez años aproximadamente comence a trabajar en la genealogia por el lado materno de mi padre que es Gonzalez-Gonzalez, gracias a unas genealiogias con cuatro lineas genealogicas de mi abuela Manuela Gonzalez Gonzalez, que comprueban que mi padre es o era heredero de unas tierras que venian por linea directa de Francisco Baez de Benavidez y de su esposa Clara Flores,donde he recolectado los nombres en grupos familiares de la mayoria de
las lineas que estan dentro de mi grupo familiar, por esas cuatro lineas y claro esas lineas me conectan con la crema y nata de la sociedad del Nvo Reino de Leon de los años 1600. Me costaron muchos años de trabajo lograr conectar el apellido Gonzalez de mi abuela, hasta llegar al origen del apellido. Pero por mis limitaciones en el manejo de programas en la computadora me he visto sujeto a comenzar de nuevo, haciendo mi avance muy despacio, pero seguro. Tambien mietras avanzaba por la linea materna de mi padre, por el lado paterno, estaba parado completamente, aunque ya habia iniciado algunas investigaciones por parte del apellido Villalobos, era un avance mucho muy despacio, hasta hace unos dos años que empece a empujar un poco mas fuerte en la investigacion, no me ha ido muy mal por el lado paterno de mi padre, ya que no me quedo parado esperando que las cosas me caigan del cielo, pero reconosco que pelear "uno contra el mundo" es una locura, es por eso necesito unirme
a un grupo serio y sin egoismos, pero un grupo celoso por las cosas que traen satisfaccion al alma, Y me trae mucha satisfaccion saber que mis abuelos vinieron de Leon Guanajuato, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Jalostotitlan y Zacatecas, especialmente de Pinos. Atentamente Celestino Villalobos.

I recently switched to a flavor of Linux (PCLinuxOS) as my main PC operating system. Does anyone know of or can recommend a genealogy software program that runs on Linux? TIA

To whom it may concern,

Hello, my name is Juanita G. Delgado. I live on the Texas-Mexico border.
I have been researching my late husband's family name for several years now. Of course, I started with the information beginning with the people I knew had come from
Nuevo Leon, and then traced them to San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. I am fortunate because I was able to get much information at the public library where I am a volunteer.

I would like to "complete" my work on the family name, so I am desperately seeking information on the name in Pinos. The only date I have is a 1701 between Bartolome
Delgado and Francisca Melcalin y Chavaria. I am assuming they married in Zac.
Their son, Juan Manuel Delgado did marry in Pinos, in 1728, in Pinos.

Thank you for allowing me in this group. I am confident that I will be able to obtain
more information on this family.

Thank you,

Juanita G. Delgado

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Trabajadores Indios del Valle deTlaltenango
(Zacatecas) en las Salinas Viejas de Santa
Maria en el siglo XVI de Jose Enciso Contreras.

http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn18/EHN01805.pdf

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Joseph,

You forgot part of the history where on the order of Onate, Vicente Zaldivar bushwhacked my ancestor
Alonso ALbernoz de Sosa. De Sosa had asked Onate for permission to return to Mexico.
The people became very afraid of Onate's dictatorship and his ruthless ness. While most of the soldiers
in the company were on a foraging expedition, th ose disgruntled with Onate left New Mexico. In this group was the widow of Alonso Albernoz de Sosa, Beatriz Rodriguez Navarro, her children, and
her new husband Captain Bernabe de la Casas. THe group reported to Zacatecas where they told the authorities of Onate's atrocities. The people who fled were pardoned. Beatriz and her family moved to
Saltillo, Coahuila with her father, Juan Navarro Rodriguez. The granddaughter of Beatriz and ALonso
married Vicente Zaldivar, a descendant of Vicente de Zald

> Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza Married on Dec. 24 , 1778 or 1779 ( Monterrey )
> Juana Maria Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala
>
I think they were married before 1773. Child born 1773 in Santiago, NL named
JOSEPH GREGORIO DE LA TRINIDAD SALDIVAR RODRIGUES

Christening: 20 OCT 1773 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

film:
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C601351 1745 - 1796 0605463 Film NONE

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Welester : --------------

>
> Howdy everyone ,
>
> I've found some more family . Im trying to connect the dots from Monterrey ,
> Nuevo Leon and Zacatecas .
> Joseph thanx for the info
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez ( my gggrandmother ) born in Villa de Santiago N.L.
> Juan Jose Saldivar ( Quirinas father ) not sure yet where he was born . Married
> Sept. 28, 1817
> Maria Ygnacia Gomez ( Quirianas mother ) " " "
>
> Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza Married on Dec. 24 , 1778 or 1779 ( Monterrey )
> Juana Maria Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala
>
> Agustin Saldivar Garza ( Jose Gregorios father don't have any info on marraige
> ) Monterrey
> Maria J Rodriguez de Montemayor Guardo ( Jose Gregorios mother )
>
>
>

Gentlemen,

To be honest, I am having a bit of trouble with the instructions. According to instructions I am suppose to send you the information I am currently researching.

I want to be sure this is the right place, as I had already sent in a sample of about 4 or 5 generations of the family I am working on.

Please clue me in on this. And where do I register my password?

Thank your very mucy.

Juanita Galvan Delgado

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On this Day of the Dead, I sent to the editor of the Rootsweb Newsletter the following:

I was very interested in the story in the last newsletter about the couple whose baby had lost a shoe at a cemetery, and when they went looking for the shoe, it was found on the grave they had been looking for and had passed by.

I had a similar experience a few years ago when my husband and I went went from our home in Washington State to meet his 94 year old aunt in El Paso TX. He had not seen this aunt or visited that town in 50 years, and was surprised that I had found her by calling all the people with her husband's name living in that town. I had hoped to find a son of hers with the same name. It turned out my husband's cousin had died years before, but his Aunt Lola was still alive (and still is at 97). We took her to the historic Concordia cemetery in El Paso TX where I knew my husband's grandfather Primitivo, Aunt Lola's brother-in-law, was buried. She knew that he had been buried in the same plot with his mother Marciana, my husband's great-grandmother and Lola's mother-in-law that she never knew since Lola had been only a small child when Marciana died.

We walked to a large old tree, where Aunt Lola remembered "Marcianita's" grave was, but she hadn't been there in years, and was having trouble finding it. It was difficult for her to walk around the gravelly, scrubby, sandy earth that most cemeteries in the Southwest have, and she was using a cane. Everyone with us had split up and were walking some distance from the tree, somewhat giving up on the notion we would find the grave, but Aunt Lola stood steadfast near the tree, saying "I know it is somewhere around here". When I turned to look at her, she was resting one elbow on the back of a tall headstone. As I approached her from the front of the headstone, my eyes were drawn to the name on a small plaque on the worn slab under that tall headstone: "Primitivo-----", and above his name, barely visible on the older slab due to the wear it had taken from sandstorms since 1912 was the name incised on the slab---- "Marciana----".

I felt chills, thinking, Marciana and her son had wanted to be found, and caused Aunt Lola to stop and rest her elbow on that stone so that we could find them.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Hello,

Does anyone know where Rancho de Los Chaves was located in Zacatecas in 1836?

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

I finally got all my ancestor's photos uploaded into my Guadalajara, Jalisco
Martin del Campo collection. These last two photos are of my grandmother's
aunt Lola, who raised her, with Rita Robles Rivera (Lola's and Alberto's
mother) and of Aunt Lola when she was much older in Los Angeles. Rita had
married Ismael Martin del Campo, but I don't have a picture of him.

Corrine Ardoin

My husband met a man recently who is from Zacatecas. My husband told him of
our plans to someday go to Jalisco to visit the areas I have been
researching. He said to be sure to visit Zacatecas during Cinco de Mayo,
because the celebrations are really great. Now, we are really excited about
going there someday! Even though I don't think I have any ancestors there,
we plan to visit Zacatecas just for the occasion!

Corrine Ardoin

I have records/data from the Archivo General de la Nacion (Valparaiso, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, etc) which I find very helpful. My records were extracted from the Archives themselves and sent to me by a friend. Unfortunately I have had little luck in trying to find out how to locate and use the Archivo General de la Nacion; their website is not user friendly and so far useless for me. I emailed the Family History Center that I use and asked how to use the Archive General de la Nacion, and I obtained the following response, which I will use in my investigations of the Archivo General:

"I did find quite a few listings in the library cataloge. Go to www.familysearch.org . Then click on the Library tab, then the cataloge tab. Then do a keyword search for "archivo general de la nacion". Some of the entries are on microfilm. Some are not but if the ones that are not are of interest to you, you can order a copy of an index for that item for the name of interest. I can show you the form later."

Ed

Howdy everyone ,

I've found some more family . Im trying to connect the dots from Monterrey , Nuevo Leon and Zacatecas .
Joseph thanx for the info

Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez ( my gggrandmother ) born in Villa de Santiago N.L.
Juan Jose Saldivar ( Quirinas father ) not sure yet where he was born . Married Sept. 28, 1817
Maria Ygnacia Gomez ( Quirianas mother ) " " "

Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza Married on Dec. 24 , 1778 or 1779 ( Monterrey )
Juana Maria Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala

Agustin Saldivar Garza ( Jose Gregorios father don't have any info on marraige ) Monterrey
Maria J Rodriguez de Montemayor Guardo ( Jose Gregorios mother )

Help needed again.

Hello! I need the name of parents, padrinos and testigos if any for Matheo Thadeo De Leon and Maria Bibanco, marriage date 23 may 1726 in Ayotlan, Jal.

Who is the borrower of such film? is it gone or still in loan? could the borrower extract that data for me? Thank you.

Greetings and Salutations to all ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I hail from Los Angeles , California now living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here almost six yrs. ago to spend one year looking for family and to continue my family search .

My family names on my fathers' side consist of : Alvarado , Almaguer , Trevino , Garza , Saldivar , Tamez and a few others . At the moment Im looking for a connection between my gggrandmothers side .

Her name was Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez , born in Villa de Santiago , N.L. Her parents were Juan Jose Saldivar from Saltillo , Coahuila .

From there I don't have anymore info . I found in some of John Inclans family names a Vicente Zaldivar from Zacatecas and further reading I found several Saldivars in Monterrey . So, Im trying to find the connecting point between the families in Zacatecas to the families in Monterrey or Villa de Santiago .

I did find some Saldivars in the book " INDEX TO THE MARRIAGE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE DIOCES OF GUADALAJARA . Agustin Saldivar , Joseph Antonio Saldivar , Joseph Gregorio Saldivar and a few others . All of which ended up in Monterrey .

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Welester

Hello, I am Maureen Bejar and I have two new files located in members files.

The first is the Alviso line from Nuestra Senora de La Asuncion, San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe. This includes surnames of Alviso, Gonzales, Dias, Sanchez, Paulin, Araujo, Garcia, Alvares, Ortiz, Vasques, Gallardo and Becerra.

The second is the Jauregui line from Valle de Guadalupe with surnames of Jauregui, Gutierres and Gonzales.

I find myself rushing toward errors. Many apologies for overlooking this
interview of Mimi Lozano which has been available since August. The
interview is on Infoblog by Eileen O'Shea. Please have a listen:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/interviews_archives.html#Lozano

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

The Library of Congress has a lot of documents, books and manuscripts on their website. One manuscript of particular interest to this group is the title in my subject line, written by Mexican lawyer, Matias de la Mota Padilla in 1742. It is hand-written, but very legible. It contains a lot of names of people and places dating from the Conquest to 1742 in Nueva Galicia. The link to the Library of Congress is already in the links section. You can find the book by clicking on "Collections" and then browsing through the list of Selections from the National Library of Spain.

Maria Cortez

John Phillip Santos' "*Places Left Unfinished at the Time of Creation
" is up on
the webpage. Have a listen to the podcast. Also if you want to subscribe
to this particular podcast rather than download the individual files
just paste this into your aggragator software:
http://audio.tpr.org/leftunfinished.xml *

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/oral_history.html

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)