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Linda,

I received the registration instructions from Ed Elizondo who is charge of the Cuba Genweb. Some years ago, there was a posting on the net through Genweb (I thought it was Cuba) that had the instructions. Ed has posted the new instructions at his site and here it is:

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Rose Gonzales-Hardy

My ancestor's testamento states he was "originario de Zacatecas" and that is
why I am assuming he was from the city of Zacatecas. It is very possible he
was from the area around Zacatecas (city) and that is why I am having such a
difficult time locating info on him. His name was Juan Antonio Liendo and
he married Catalina de la Rosa probably in the late 1600s. Their son (also
named Juan Antonio Liendo) left his will dated 1771 in Saltillo where he
states he was from Zacatecas. I have researched Liendos from the early
1700s to the present and (from what I have researched and documented) they
all descend from this couple. There are a few Liendos that were in Autlan de
Navarro, Jalisco, a few in Durango and a few from Distrito Federal (Mexico
City) but the majority will be found in Saltillo and Tamaulipas. There are
also a lot of Liendos in Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile and
Spain. It is possible that my ancestor "got off the boat in Mexico" or
traveled from one of these other countries to get to Zacatecas and then went
to Saltillo and on to Tamaulipas and into Texas.

I have a friend in Aguascalientes who told me she has seen the surname in
Morelia and Michoacan so I will see what I can find there. Since the name
is a rare one I keep any and all info I find on ANY document pertaining to a
Liendo.

Any assistance is appreciated!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
eaherold@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:23 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Where in Zacatecas did you find you Liendos? What given names?
--
Esther A. Herold

I worked at translating the story of "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" and this is what I came up with:

"A boy was abandoned on the steps of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" with very fine gowns in a small basket, and the boy had on a medal and very fine gowns and a note pinned, on which it said: this boy has already been baptized and his name is Martin, I ask that you never remove the medal for the rest of his life.

The owners of the Hacienda were people already great in age and never had family (and possibly they thought that was the right place for the boy to grow up and if they wanted to be able to find him when he was grown).

The boy grew and the families and the environment around him knew that the boy was not a descendant of the owners of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa," so they began to say to the boy or to identify him when they spoke of him: "There goes Martin," and when they were asked which Martin, they simply identified him as "Martin, del campo" (of the Yegua Rusa), since the Hacienda was situated in an area that was big and surrounded by the beautiful countryside.

This boy supposed that he was some accident of the royal family since he was white, fair-haired and blue-eyed and the gown was of very fine material and French lace, but accidents in families of high standing weren't considered good in those times, so the children were disowned and kept secret or given away but always had a pin to be able to give some day with the sons.

This is the story of Martin del campo."

Corrine Ardoin

Thank you so much for the story! How do you find GeneaNet? Is that it? I've never heard of that.

Corrine Ardoin

Have you checked for Alvizu or other spelling variants Albizu. This surname is of Vasque origin.

What information did you find when you looked at the film for Soledad?
Didn't it list the grandparents? How about for Guadalupe?:

MA. SOLEDAD DELMAS SANDOVAL
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
27 MAR 1869 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: VICTOR DELMAS Family
Mother: CONCEPN. SANDOVAL

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the
birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C600788 1870 - 1871 0245040

Suzy Burt wrote:
> I'd like to hear from anyone who might have info on this family. I believe that Victor must have been the son of Charles Francis Delmas - am I right? Below is all I know.
>
> Victor Delmas married Concepcion Sandoval about 22 June 1868 in El Sagrario or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Two daughters are known: Ma. Soledad, christened (same place as above) 27 March 1869; and Ma. Guadalupe, christened 12 June 1871. Soledad married David Diaz de Leon 16 February 1885 (same place as above).
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Suzy B. Burt
> ~~~~~~~~~~~

Suzy:

The only way to find out is to order the film (0245111) and see who the parents are. It is too bad that they did not extract the parents into the IGI for that film.

There are Delmas much closer to Zacatecas than Tamaulipas in Durango that may be the ancestors of this Victor:

JOSE FELIPE BENICIO DELMAS VILLANUEVA
Christening: 28 AUG 1842 Santiago Papasquiaro, Santiago Papasquiaro, Durango, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN ANTO. DELMAS Family
Mother: PULINA VILLANUEVA
Batch No. C605212 Film 0654999

Delmas is a Catalan name... I have a good friend whose family has a pipe factory in Granollers in Calaunya.

Arturo,

When you say being updated does that mean that you or some other administrator was doing the updating or that we personally were updating our own folders? The reason I ask is that I have not updated my folder since the beginning of the year and mine file was one that had temporarily disappeared a couple of weeks ago.

Here's wishing you a wonderful trip to our beautiful Mexico........warts and all Mexico and it's people are still beautiful.

Atentamente,
Alicia de San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos arturo.ramos2@gmail.com

A number of members have written about their member genealogies folders going missing after updating them. I apologize for the glitch. It appears that due to a change we made to the site when file folders were being updated, they were being taken out of the "Member Genealogy" category and therefore no longer appearing in the file folder listing. However, the folders are still all there and we have restored those of which we have been made aware we have to their correct place. We have also fixed the glitch so this should no longer happen in the future.

If you updated your file folder in the last couple of months, please check the Member Genealogies section to make sure that it still appears there. If it does not, please send us a message at moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org

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Algunos miembros nos han escrito para decirnos que sus carpetas de genealogia se habian desaparecido despues de actualizarlas. Mil disculpas por este molestar. Parece que despues de hacer unos cambios al sitio hace un par de meses, cuando un miembro actualizaba su carpeta, el sistema sacaba la carpeta de la categoria de "Genalogias de Miembros" y asi no aparecia mas en el listado de carpetas. Sin embargo, esas carpetas seguian existiendo y las hemos restaurado a su sitio correcto cuando nos han alertado a esta occurencia. Tambien hemos arreglado el problema tecnico para que ya no ocurra esto en el futuro.

Si actualizaste tu carpeta en los ultimos dos meses, por favor revisa el listado de Genalogia de Miembros para asegurar que aparece aun ahi tu carpeta. Si no esta, por favor avisanos a traves de un mensaje a moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org

Bill,

I have added to my genealogy file research complied on my Salado/Esparza line, with research documentation dating back to 1585.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have researched baptisms for San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. I have found Julian's siblings. I have his parent's marriage and the age of his mother when she married. I calculated her childbearing years. She had a child every one or two years. There is only a 1 year gap 1856 to 1858 and also 1865. I subtracted wrong, so the above date of 1856 to 1858 is not the correct gap. It is 1865 as he was 40 years old listed on a baptism in 1905 where he was a sponsor. All his siblings were born in San Miguel. I have just looked again at the 1865 batch for San Miguel. Sadly I have found that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter for 1865 are not on the microfilm. Also from my records that I had printed when I went through the microfilm by hand do not have any 1865 records from June to December. I have contacted the LDS to find out if they know why those records were missing. I need another document to conclude Julian's age, but I feel 1865 is probably the one.

Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have checked all the baptisms is San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. Sadly none of the children's baptism listed the age of Julian or Catarina. I know his approximate death, but did not find his death in Valle de Guadalupe. I have found Catarina's age in two different baptisms when she was a sponsor, so I think her age may be correct. I know Julian's mothers age at marriage and calculated her childbearing years. She had a baby every one or two years. There are only two gaps where Julian could have been born, so I am thinking the 1865 year is correct. Sadly the microfilm is mising the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of 1865, so this is why I may not be able to find Julian.

There is no doubt you need to use precautions in Mexico.. just as you would any where else including stateside. When we took the bus from Guadajara to Jerez Zacatecas I asked why the roads had been clear-cut back so far and the bus driver said it's because bandits rob the bus's sometimes and this way they have a running chance!

When we got to Tamazula Jalisco and tried to visit a Mendez relative who didn't know me he was extremely fearful of us. When we returned we found he had been kidnapped for ransom, he's family owns casas de cambio so that made him a target.

In Jerez everyone was drinking bottled water much to my surprise, they said the iron content is so high it stains their teeth! Mostly they drank Coka-Cola in glass bottles. They would not allow me to walk anywhere alone but said it was because it would reflect badly on my family! I did find that all the families I visited drank alcohol much more and earlier in the day than we would stateside so beware of long lunches that extend into dinner. Tequila and Sprit seem to be a normal afternoon beverage in Jalisco, Colima and Zacatecas!

When we went to a Cabana in Tapalpa, a couple of hours from Guadalajara we were told not to worry,. that they pay someone to protect the property and people when they visit there, it seems that cutting down and stealing trees is a big problem there and our hostess got guards after finding 20 pines missing just after she bought the property to build her home on.

Advice that was given to me was not to wear jewelry, not to go where there were no women and children and not to go drinking at night. I found in Mexico many places do not take credit cards so you really do need to have cash on hand or access to casa de cambio. I payed attention to all advice and had a wonderful time with many very gracious people. Come to think of it, it's the same advice friends gave me the first time we spent a vacation in the L.A. area...

Linda in Everett

Deena,
I enjoyed reading of your experience in Tijuana...........the stories on the news always sound worse than they really are. The same could be said about the US from the Mexican's point of view. When we go to Mexico you hear stories from the people who have never lived or been to the US about the lack of respect for authority in the United States, about the breakdown of the family because most women work and therefore the children are left to fend for themselves without a figurehead of respect and authority in the home during the day. One also hears about the breakdown in the morality of the family and the promiscuity of the youth, the rampant drug use of the young people etc. etc. I could go on and on. This they hear from the news as portrayed in the US media.........they get the same news there that we get here via CNN and other major newsbroadcasters via cable and from hearsay from people traveling back and forth. Is there some truth here? I would say yes. Is this the
whole truth? No, we can pick anything apart and find good and evil, right and wrong everywhere.

The truth is that crime is everywhere and we need to be careful everywhere. Of course be especially careful when you travel to some unknown region whether it be in the US, Mexico or elsewhere, respect the rules and laws of the country, city or county you are visiting. Respect the customs and traditions of it's people.

When my in-laws were alive we would go to Ensenada at least 3 times a year so that our children could have as much possible contact with their grandparents and the extended family.............It was a time of complete freedom for our children as they could go anywhere without any fear. They could run and play freely at their grandparents and cousins' places, ride horses, feed the chickens make mud pies, pick corn, tomatoes, squash and so much more. They learned of the language, foods, music and family traditions of their parents and grandparents and nothing you can read in a book could ever take the place of the real life experience.

Anyone who is thinking of going....... I say go for it, the warmth of the people especially in the small towns is like nothing else you will ever experience. Yes even the border crossing was an experience.........going both ways.

Thanks for posting this topic.....it brought back many fond memories.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

My children and I lived in Tijuana for two years so my six children
(ages 1 to 12 when we arrived) could learn Spanish and be immersed in the
culture of their father's side of the family. (My husband came to visit us
two weekends every month; at the time he was a homicide investigator with
our local sheriff's department, and there's no such thing as a two-year
sabbatical -- even if we could have afforded it.)

I read the bulletin posted earlier about the dangers of traveling in
certain parts of Mexico, and Tijuana was listed as a place with a high rate
of crime. We lived near the bullring in Fraccionamiento Escondida; it was
the most wonderful experience of our lives, and the only crime we
experienced was that a sweatshirt hanging on the line to dry disappeared.
Meanwhile, the bicycles we had left in America for safekeeping were stolen.

I always bought bottled water to drink-- still do, as a matter of
fact, but we brushed our teeth from the tap. None of us was ever sick
during our stay -- except for the two littlest ones, who got chicken pox
near the end of our stay.

My mother-in-law worried the entire time that something horrible
would happen, however. Luckily, we ignored her warnings. I say ignore your
relatives, and take a chance. It will be an adventure you'll never forget.

~Deena Ortiz~

Hello! Thank you for you offer, I need nothing. But jus in case, about a year ago I needed certain birth certificate, been in Guadalajara I placed my order but was told it wasn´t still digitalized so that I had to go in the municipio it belonged. So I couldn´t get it, I had a ticket for a plane to take me back later the same day. Took a taxi cab and told such story to the driver. He said he knew a lot of cases of that nature and advised me about "El Chato" who is a man that works in the Registro Civil, the offices located in La Normal zone in Guadalajara, Jal., he is in charge of maintenance, wears a blue, long shirt, and for a nice and reasonable tip can get a copy of any record. Hope he is there nowadays.

arturoramos escribió:
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week.

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Sr. Arturo:

Mi nombre es Fernando Pérez y estoy investigando sobre los apellidos de mi familia, es probable que yo también haga el viaje a Jalisco, pero a un pueblo que se llama Cuquio, nunca he estado en la presidencia municipal de el pueblito de mis abuelos, y no se como se manejen las cosas para consultar o pedir copias de los documentos como actas de nacimiento o de matrimonio, ¿Me podría dar algunos consejos para que en caso de que esté por aquel lugar pueda accesar a los mencionados documentos?.

De antemano le agradezco su ayuda.

Leticia:

Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya ordené unos films, pero me dí cuenta que que solamente tienen información de una de las iglesias del pueblo y falta información de la otra, por lo que la persona que está ahí asesorando me aconsejó que buscara en la Diócesis a la que pertenecia en este tiempo las iglesias de Cuquío, así que ahora estoy investigando a ver como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los años de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas

I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.

However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.