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Has anyone have or gone further in this line. I am really confused but so grateful in finding this record that seems like a Dispensa. I tried but it is above my head right now.

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Cayetano Medellin

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Hola prima,

It looks like a dispensa for copulacion ilicita 4/3, since his wives were related. Too bad it doesn't explain the relationship.

Cayetano Medellin might be the same Cayetano Medellin baptized 25 Mar 1684, Santa Maria del Rio, SLP, son of Juan Joseph de Torres Medelin and Maria de Vanegas; Juan Joseph de Torres Medellin was son of Capp Diego Medellin and Sebastiana de Torres, and Maria de Vanegas was daughter of Nicolas de Trujillo and his first wife, Lucia de Vanegas.

Teresa Gonzalez de Solis Cortes might be daughter of Pedro Gonzalez de Solis "El Mozo" cc Maria Cortes Michel, who married 13 Jun 1650, in San Francisco de Charcas SLP; he was son of Pedro Gonzalez de Solis "El Viejo" cc Maria de Coronado, and she was daughter of Capp Joan Cortes Mudarra cc Micaela Michel Ordonez. I have them with several children, though no Teresa, but it's still possible.

I have nothing on the Aleman nor Cabeza. There was a family named Cabeza de Moro in early SLP.

I hope that helps!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Ruis de Esparza

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I have seen the ancestry of Lope Ruis de Esparza going back a number of generations, in some cases to a Martin Ruiz, Señor de Esparza. What are the documents that support this ancestry?

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Lope Ruiz de esparsa

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Mr. Ricci and George,

this book by Jamie Olveda called En busca de la fortuna: los vascos en la región de Guadalajara on googlebooks calls Lope Ruiz de Esparsa, Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Espinoza. Does anyone know who the Espinoza is or where it comes from? here is the google mention:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#tbm=bks&q=Lope+Ruiz+de+Esparza+%22An…

Danny C. Alonso

Ruiz de Esparza y Espinosa

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Danny

This surname apparently comes from Maria Espinosa, wife of Martin Ruiz de Esparza according to some posted genealogies. However I have never seen an actual source for this.

Once again, this is part of my request for source documentation.

George Fulton

Bill Figueroas research on the Ruiz de Esparza

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Before we had easy access to records on the Internet, I spent many hours in the basement library of the Mormon temple on Santa Monica Blvd. in Wset Los Angeles. As I researched my ancestors, I often sat near JP Schmal as he did research on the Ruiz de Esparza family. I often saw him there working many hours on this family. I know JP was focused on the Ruiz de Esparza family in Mexico but I am sure he would love to take part in a discussion of their ancestors in Spain. I am sure that I can stop by and get JP's contact info at the basement library,

Later, once I started doing more research on this family, I shared much of my research with Bill Figueroa. Bill was my Aguascalientes expert that helped me on some of my ancestors from there. It feels very Strange that he hasn't commented on my latest posting on my Villalpando, Aguilar-Solorzano, or Ruiz de Esparza lines.

It feels very strange to have a discussion of the Ruiz de Esparza family without input by at least one of them. If anyone has their contact information, please let them know that we have a lot to discuss about this family. i have been unsuccessfully attempting to contact Bill Figueroa for many months now. I have tried a couple of email addresses but have had no luck. Does anyone have a street address for Bill Figueroa, or a phone number?

Thanks,
Rick

Ruiz de Esparza

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Dear George,

Like you, I have seen many ancestries of Lope Ruiz de Esparza leading back to Spain. I personally have not seen all the documents that are said to exist proving this relationship. However, I have in my notes that there are documents showing the family ancestry that were submitted to the emperor and that he had approved the claims of hidalguia.

As you know, I have seen some documents showing some ancestry. Our Lope Ruiz de Estrada in Aguascalientes is said to be the progenitor of the Esparzas in Nueva Galicia. Although Lope is said to have a brother also come over to Nueva Galicia, all lines that people have been able to go back to their period of time lead to Lope and not the brother. It seems that the brother did not leave any descendants and did not come over at the same time. The brothers came from one of three Esparza families from Navarra. All the Esparzas from Navarra are said to descend from one of these three families.

In reality, it is only two Esparza families as two of the families had similar origins but branched off early with the two branches distinguishing them selves with slightly different names, while the third Esparza line had no blood connection and was a completely different family. As you know, we descend from the Esparza line that came to be known as the Ruiz de Esparza. The third Esparza line also split up into two lines, but one of these lines dropped the Esparza part of the name.

I have a section of my book that is about the Ruiz de Esparza family history. I am in the process of reviewing many of the facts in my book, and adding sources, so I too am looking for documents that prove the lineage that people posted. I hope many people answer your post and offer the location for documents on this family. This search for documents proving the lineage that people have posted has not stopped me from researching the family in Spain. Hopefully I will have that section of my book ready in the no too distant future. When I do finish this section, I would like to send it to you before I send it to the publisher for printing. I would appreciate any criticism you may have of my section on the Ruiz de Esparzas.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Ruiz de Esparza

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Rick

Thanks for the comments. So much has been posted without sources I think there is a tendency to just accept it. It would be great to see a definitive work on this family.

Documentation of the Ruiz de Esparza family after the arrival in Aguascalientes is generally quite accessible. I have seen and collected a fair amount as my wife has multiple descents from this family.

What was Lope's brother's name? I had not heard of him before.

Thank you for the offer of allowing the me to review a portion of your book. My personal email is gpf13@aol.com.

George Fulton

Ruiz de Esparza

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Dear George,

Bill Figueroa used to share information with me about our ancestors in Aguascalientes. I don't see him posting on nuestros ranchos anymore and the email that I have has not generated any responses. Do you know of a way to contact him? I hope he is ok

I don't remember Lope Ruiz de Esparza's brothers name. It was listed in the computer of mine that fried. I lost a lot of my work and sources then. I had to reconstruct a lot of work from information that I remembered and a three year old backup (my older computer). The work I lost was from what I had I inputted in the three year span between the old computer that I had been using and the newer one which is the one that melted down. Just before it melted, I lost the flash drive that I had been using to back up the information in the newer computer.

I had another computer go down last year. I finally learned that it is not if a computer will breakdown but a matter of when.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Back-ups

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Rick

Get an external hard drive. You can get a 500 Mb drive fairly inexpensively, they usually come with software to do automatic back-ups.

George

Hard rive

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Dear George,

Thanks for the advice, I will make the backups automatic.

Rick

Ruiz de Esparza

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George,

I never heard of martin ruiz de esparza as an ancestor, I thought the ancestor of Lope Ruiz de epsarza was somebody name Sancho ruiz de esparza and Juana Zariquiegui mention here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=2pOBAAAAIAAJ&q=juana+Zariquiegui+%22S…

Danny C. Alonso

Ruiz de Esparza

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Danny

There are a number of unsourced family trees on the roots web World Connect project that have this ancestry. I suspect they all have a common origin. Thus my question concerning documentation.

George Fulton

Lope's brother

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Dear George

Lope's brother that was already here when he arrived is named Capitán Andrés Ruiz de Esparza. Their father sent a letter of Hidalguia with Lope to give to Andres so they would they would have proof that their ancestors were part of the nobility. The source for the name of this brother is Mary Lou Montagna.

Rick

Research Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4

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I have a second cousin named Antonio Madera. His father's name was Higinio
Madera. Are you perhaps related to them?

Member Introduction Long Overdue

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I have been a member of this group for a few years now so it past time for me to introduce myself.

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Welcome

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Welcome to the team Paul,
I believe your ancestor Diego Gonzalez Isla's parents are most likely found in Zacatecas records. I have posted some of my research on this site on the Lomelin family that you may be interested in. Here are a few records that may hold some clues as to your Gonzalez Islas:

Name Christoval Matheo Gonsales Garibai
Gender Male
Christening Date 23 Oct 1704
Christening Place Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Diego Gonsales De Islas
Mother's Name Francisa De Garibai
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8JR-M2S : 12 December 2014), Diego Gonsales De Islas in entry for Christoval Matheo Gonsales Garibai, 23 Oct 1704; citing Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico, reference 2:1XSLSRS; FHL microfilm 280,854

Maria De La Rossa Garibay Cosin
Gender Female
Christening Date 24 May 1676
Christening Place SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO,GUADALAJARA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Lorenso De Garibay
Mother's Name Catarina Cosin
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23C-TQJ : 12 December 2014), Maria De La Rossa Garibay Cosin, 24 May 1676; citing SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO,GUADALAJARA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 38,313.l

Maria Gertrudis Gonsales Cardenas
Gender Female
Christening Date 10 Mar 1722
Christening Place NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Joseph Gonsales De Yslas
Mother's Name Apolonia De Cardenas
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVQZ-V1Q : 12 December 2014), Joseph Gonsales De Yslas in entry for Maria Gertrudis Gonsales Cardenas, 10 Mar 1722; citing NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 226,648.

Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Member Introduction Long

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My paternal grandmother, Cristina Arteaga Escobedo, was from Villanueva (El Tigre). Her parents were Apolinar Arteaga and Ramona Escobedo. I'm curious if we could be researching the same Arteaga family. She was born in 1903.

Member Introduction Long Overdue

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Welcome to the group Paul.I think this Diego Gonzales de islas is older than yours. Maybe this is the father of yours

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gonz%C3%A1lez_de_Islas-5

Danny C. Alonso

Matrimonio de Agustin Gonzalez y Maria Josefa Montoya

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I have looked and looked, and I cannot find the marriage record for Agustin Gonzalez and Maria Josefa Montoya. FamilySearch gives the marriage date as 28 February 1783.

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Maria de Los Dolores Ruiz de Esparza

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Simon Ruiz de Esparza b. Before 1495 and Graciana Vici (Huici) are the parents of Martin Ruiz de Esparza

Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Vici (Huici), señor del palacio de Esparza (Galar), vecino de Pamplona and Maria de Espinosa (Spinosa) are the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza (el viejo)

,Lope Ruiz de Esparza, abogado de las Audiencias Reales, señor de los palacios de Esparza (Galar) y Zariquiegui vecino de Pamplona and Ana Diez de Eguino. They have a son named Lope Ruiz de Esparza

Lope Ruiz de Esparza ( b.1569 d.14 Aug 1651 in Mexico, Distrito Federal) and Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma are the parents of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza.

Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano are the parents of Juan Ruiz de Esparza

Juan Ruiz de Esparza and Rosa Martin de Sotomayor are the parents of Maria de los Dolores Esparza

Maria de Los Dolores Esparza and Cayetano Duron are third cousins.

Rick A. Ricci, book: mygenes2000

Agustin Gonzalez / Maria Josefa Montoya

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Wow! Thank you everyone. I just came back to work on this branch again, and I hit the jackpot with all these responses. I really appreciate the help.

Daniel

Lope Ruiz de Esparza

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Dear Daniel,

Here is a little more on the first Esparza to come over. His brother also came over but his name was in some records that I lost. I never did have any descendants for the brother. The brother did not come over at the same time.

Lope Ruiz de Esparza crossed the Atlantic on Feb. 8, 1593, as a bachelor & servant of Enrique Maleon. Don Enrique de Manleon, son of Don Miguel de Navarra y Manleon and Doña María Magdalena de Goñi.
(#2.633, III-163, Vol. VII 1586-1599)

Rick A. Ricci, book mygenes2000

Agustin gonzalez

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Possible?

Agustin Gonzales
Mexico Baptisms
Name Agustin Gonzales
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Sep 1675
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO, AUTLAN DE NAVARRO, JALISCO, MEXICO
Father's Name Antonio Gonzales
Mother's Name Catalina Agustina
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBRW-JRS : 2 January 2015), Agustin Gonzales, 15 Sep 1675; citing EL SAGRARIO, AUTLAN DE NAVARRO, JALISCO, MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 655,559.

I found the record!

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Daniel

I found your marriage record! It is on images 200 and 201, and is located with 1785 records.

The reason it is not with the rest of 1783 is because it is part of the records of the chapel at the Hacienda of Cieneguilla. Often the records from a chapel are included at the end of records for a given month of the main church, but for some reason these were elsewhere in the volume.

George

The Duron, Duròn, Duran ancestors

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Juan Gutierrez Duron is married to Teresa del Castillo on 5/Nov 1665, they are the parents of Esteban Gutierrez Duron b. 1667

Esteban Duron is married in 8/Jan/1689 toJuana Montañez in Aguascalientes. They have a son named Cayetano Duron

Cayetano Duron married Maria de los Dolores Esparza. They are the parents of Juana Gertrudis Duron

Juana Gertrudis Duron is married to Christoval Montoys

A different branch of the family used Duran instead of Duron.

From Sevilla, Castilla, España

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Andres Martin Camacho b.1577 and Maria Ruelas b.1589 are the parents of Maria Sotomayor

Juan Montañes b. 1575 and Ana Vicente b. Bat 1580 are the parents of Juan Montañez

Juan Montañez b. 1599 and Maria Sotomayor are the parents of Bernabe Montañes b. 1650

Bernabe Montañes b.1650 and Isabel Carillo b.1655 are the parents of a daughter named Juana Montañes Carillo b.1673

Juana Montañes Carillo is married to Esteban Duron b. 1668 and they have a son named Cayetano Duron b.1690

Cayetano Duron is married to Maria de los Dolores Esparsa and they have a daughter named Juana Gertrudis Duron

Juana Gertrudis Duron is married to Christoval Montoya (Montolla) and they have a daughter named Maria Josefa Montoya who is married to Agustin Gonzalez

Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Duron and Maria de los Dolores Esparza

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Here are some more

Cayetano Duron and Maria de los Dolores Esparza

Cayetano Duron
Father
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979
spouse: Maria de los Dolores
child: Jpha Rosalia de la Trind Duron

Cayetano Duron
mentioned in the record of Pedro Nolasco Duron Esparza
Name Cayetano Duron
Gender Male
Wife Maria De Los Dolores Esparza
Son Pedro Nolasco Duron Esparza
Other information in the record of Pedro Nolasco Duron Esparza
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Pedro Nolasco Duron Esparza
Gender Male
Christening Date 02 Feb 1736
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Cayetano Duron
Mother's Name Maria De Los Dolores Esparza
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK2Y-SY6 : 12 December 2014), Cayetano Duron in entry for Pedro Nolasco Duron Esparza, 02 Feb 1736; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,427.

Gender Male
Wife Maria De Los Dolores Esparza
Daughter Josepha Rozalia Duron Esparza
Other information in the record of Josepha Rozalia Duron Esparza
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Josepha Rozalia Duron Esparza
Gender Female
Christening Date 24 Mar 1737
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Cayetano Duron
Mother's Name Maria De Los Dolores Esparza
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK2Y-HLS : 12 December 2014), Cayetano Duron in entry for Josepha Rozalia Duron Esparza, 24 Mar 1737; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,427.

Josepha Rosalia De La Trinidad Duron
Gender Female
Christening Date 29 Jun 1750
Christening Place CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Cayetano Duron
Mother's Name Maria De Los Dolores
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG44-G56 : 12 December 2014), Cayetano Duron in entry for Josepha Rosalia De La Trinidad Duron, 29 Jun 1750; citing CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 640,151.
Joseph Pedro Duron Esparza
Gender Male
Christening Date 06 Mar 1740
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Birth Date 25 Feb 1740
Father's Name Cayetano Duron
Mother's Name Maria De Los Dolores Esparza
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMDL-972 : 12 December 2014), Cayetano Duron in entry for Joseph Pedro Duron Esparza, 06 Mar 1740; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 299,428.

Montoya and Garcia marriage record

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Here is the marriage record of a Nicloas de Montoya (Montolla) and Lugarda Garcia

Image 98 out of 445
Film # 299824

Name Nicolas De Montoia
Spouse's Name Lugarda Garcia
Event Date 13 Oct 1709
Event Place El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPY-Z9Q : 14 July 2015), Nicolas De Montoia and Lugarda Garcia, 13 Oct 1709; citing El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,824.

Matrimonio de Agustin

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Dear Daniel,

Here are some records that you may want. Christoval Montoy's father is Nicolas de Montolla and his mother is Lugarda Garcia. Juana Gertrudis Duran is the daughter of Cayetano Duran (Duron?) and Maria de los Dolores.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Christoval Montolla
Spouse's Name Juana Getrudis Duron
Event Date 25 Mar 1743
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Nicolas De Montolla
Mother's Name Lugarda Garcia
Spouse's Father's Name Cayetano Duron
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria De Los Dolores
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZJ-YHB : 15 July 2015), Christoval Montolla and Juana Getrudis Duron, 25 Mar 1743; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,015
Name Petra Sebastiana Gonzales
Gender Female
Christening Date 08 Mar 1767
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Antonio Gonzales
Mother's Name Maria Augustina Del Carmen
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQS-63V : 12 December 2014), Antonio Gonzales in entry for Petra Sebastiana Gonzales, 08 Mar 1767; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,438.

Antonio Gonzalez
mentioned in the record of Maria Atilana de Jesus Gonzalez
Name Antonio Gonzalez
Gender Male
Wife Maria del Carmen
Son Julian Gonzalez
Other information in the record of Maria Atilana de Jesus Gonzalez
from Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Name Maria Atilana de Jesus Gonzalez
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 15 Oct 1818
Event Place San José de Analco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Female
Birth Date 05 Oct 1818
Birthplace San Jose De Analco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Julian Gonzalez
Mother's Name Juana Perales
Paternal Grandfather's Name Antonio Gonzalez
Paternal Grandmother's Name Maria del Carmen
Maternal Grandfather's Name Joaquin Perales
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria Antonia Sanchez
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKZH-RSQK : 28 July 2015), Antonio Gonzalez in entry for Maria Atilana de Jesus Gonzalez, 15 Oct 1818; citing Baptism, San José de Analco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 38,590.

Name Jose Francisco Villalobos
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 28 Jan 1798
Event Place Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Birth Date 18 Jan 1798
Birthplace Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Tomas Villalobos
Mother's Name Juana Montoya
Paternal Grandfather's Name Pedro Villalobos
Paternal Grandmother's Name Josefa Gomes
Maternal Grandfather's Name Cristoval Montoya
Maternal Grandmother's Name Juana Duran
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKZC-9B9W : 28 July 2015), Cristoval Montoya in entry for Jose Francisco Villalobos, 28 Jan 1798; citing Baptism, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 634,025.

Maria De S. Juan Montoya Duron
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 May 1764
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Christoval Montoya
Mother's Name Juana Getrudis Duron
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGHS-GPV : 12 December 2014), Christoval Montoya in entry for Maria De S. Juan Montoya Duron, 20 May 1764; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,531.

Name Christoval Montoya
Gender Male
Wife Juana Getrudis Duron
Daughter Ynacia Martin Montoya Duron
Other information in the record of Ynacia Martin Montoya Duron
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Ynacia Martin Montoya Duron
Gender Female
Christening Date 22 Nov 1757
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Christoval Montoya
Mother's Name Juana Getrudis Duron
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGHS-RF8 : 12 December 2014), Christoval Montoya in entry for Ynacia Martin Montoya Duron, 22 Nov 1757; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,531.

Agustin Gonzalez

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Daniel

The record must be in the film, somewhere. Perhaps the pages are elsewhere in the film.

There is a matrimonial investigation for this couple dated February 15, 1783, in Aguascalientes. This record begins at image 156, and names parents: Antonio Gonzalez and Maria del Carmen Augustina de Roxas, and Cristobal Montoya and Juana Duran.

George Fulton

Gonzalez / Montoya

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Thank you, George. I was thinking the same thing - it has to be there somewhere. But this is better.

Daniel

Slave Owner Information

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I am searching for slave information in Zacatecas and Aguascalenties. I need to find the documents where slave owners listed their property including the numbers and names of slaves.

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Pardon (census) of Aguascalientes 1648

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Yolie

A transcription of the 1648 pardon is posted here at NR http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19051

It lists slaves in several households.

George

Slave ownership

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Yolie

I have seen some of this information in different places:

(1) The Aguascalientes archives has documents concerning the sale of slaves. You can search for these types of documents at that website.
(2) Marriage records of slaves will identify their owners, unfortunately the indexed records do not identify if a person was a slave. You need to look at each record.
(3) In the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations I've indexed I identified all the slaves, just look for "mulato esclavo" under ethnicity. In the later indexes I made I listed the slave owner's name. This is posted here at NR.

Some of this will likely apply to Zacatecas.

While this is not as comprehensive as your request, it will give some info.

George

Slave Owner Information

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Hi Yolie,

Testamentos (Last Will & Testament) of slaveowners usually list names, genders and ages of slaves, as well. You can find those also in the Aguascalientes Acervos Historicos. Slaves are also listed on padrones.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Slave Wills

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Thank you Manny. Where do I find the Acervos Historicos for Aguascalients? I'm sorry to sound so dumb about this. Do I find them in the Family Search catalog? I have also searched for padrones in Aguascalients and there is not a file available with that information. Any direction where to go for the padron?

Slaves

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Thank you George. I'm not good at navigating the web page and can't find the information you mention. Can you tell me under what title on the NR page to I find it. All my research has been in every town in Zacatecas. I've looked in Aguascalientes and have not been successful finding any Tello ancestors there.

Link for Aguascalientes matrimonial investigation info

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Yolie

Here is the link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014

When you download the PDFs files do a search for esclavo. This won't be much help for Zacatecas.

George

Matrimonial Information

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Thank you for sending me the link. I should know or try to learn how to navigate your blog. I will download and go through them.
Eternally grateful.

Aguascalientes Acervos Coloniales

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Hi Yolie,

To access the Aguascalientes Acervos Coloniales, go to: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

The username is: sigue.publica
And the password: publica

Once it lets you in, right-cick on SGG-ARCHIVO HISTORICO - ACERVOS COLONIALES SIGLOS XVII A XIX

And select "New Query"

The search indexes are difficult to use, I usually select "Lugar": AGUASCALIENTES, and for "Tipo Documental", TESTAMENTO, then "Submit."

Then I go through the lists until I find a familiar name.

You can also find the sales of slaves at the same website, amongst other types of notary documents.

Good luck!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Marriage Information Not Easy to Read--Help

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I found a marriage record for Salvador Trillo who I'm sure is Salvador Tello. Can anyone please help me figure out a few important facts I need to find?

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Salbador Thadeo de Trillo (Trujillo?)

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The name is Salvador Thadeo de Trillo and it says " Mulato esclavo," so he is a slave.

I don't believe that it is Tello. There is much higher probability that the Trillo is short for Trujillo.

Rick A. Ricci

Slave Salvador

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Thanks for your reply Rick. Here is the other marriage document for him. I know it states Trillo, but, I tend to believe the scribe spelled wrong. I find the Tello last name spelled as Tillo, Teyo Thello and Theyo on various documents. The Salvador I'm trying to confirm was living in Zacatecas and having children there. The children's birth records all state his wife's name as Maria Ysabel with several different last names. I have not found any children born to a Salvador Trillo & Maria Aguilar in Zacatecas. Also, the Salvador I'm researching is Mulato on all records I found for his family line.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-RJKH-T?i=86&wc=3P9F-82S%3A…

Slave Salvador

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Salvador Thadeo Trillo, He is a mulato (black mixed with another race, usually white) slave. He is the son of Cayetano Trillo and Ines Valadez. He is originally from the Villa de Aguascalientes.

Juana Maria Aguilar, mestizo (white mixed with Native American), originally from the city of Durango, and daughter of Manuel Aguilar and Maria Lucia

Trillo

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Yolie,

Trillo was a common last name in this area. They are my ancestors. You can see them here: http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Trillo-Family-Tree-40

If you're looking for someone named Tello, which was also a common name, this person is not the right person. Tello and Trillo are two different names and probably wouldn't be confused for each other.

Danny C. Alonso

The Slave Trillo

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Thank you again Danny. You are correct this is not the Salvador Tello I'm looking for. I have found the Tellos married in San Luis Potosi, Coahuila and various place all around Zacatecas. Since he lived in Zacatecas, I figured the scribe made a mistake on the spelling just like many records for Zacatecas. The Tellos were a dynasty just by comparing how many, many kids born to six of Salvador's children. Those children had many children and each named a child after grandparents making the search complicated. Well, I hope this bit of information was a useful addition for your tree.
Take a look at the attached link for the marriage of Julian Tello a Espanol. This made me think there had to be a spelling error with the record which is why I reached out for help. With Julian being Espanol, perhaps he is one of the family members that owned the Rancho de los Tellos I've been searching for. This record is what threw me to say spelling error. My Salvador was married to Maria Ysabel Reyes, Robledo, Garcia, y de la cruz and or just Ysabel.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-RJ2Q-K?i=85&wc=3P9F-82S%3A…

Wife of Jose Blas Perez de Paredes (Paderes)

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I descend from Jose Blas Perez de Paredes ( Aka Perez Franco).

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Rosa Maria and Josepha are Sisters

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After reviewing numerous marriage dispensations, Rosa Maria Martin del Campo and Josepha Martin del Campo seemed to be the same Person and I was ready to change the name to Rosa Maria Josefa Martin del Campo." Then I went to my computer to make the changes and Lo and behold, I already had Josefa and Rosa Maria as sisters. I went to work again and realized that they had not married the same Blas Perez de Paredes but that the Jose Blas Perez de Paredes married to Josefa is the son of Blas Perez de Paredes, the husband of Rosa Martin del Campo, and another wife of his, Beatriz Gonzalez de Hermosillo.

Beatriz Catharina Perez De Paredes

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It turns out that there are four extremely close relatives with similar names which causes confusion. As of now, I have each one with only one marriage. The four are related to each other through both their fathers and mothers.

First is Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes(Perez Franco) daughter of Blas Perez de Pareds and Rosa Maria Martin del Campo.
1) Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes (aka Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes) married Phelipe Gutierrez Coronado y Gonzalez de Hermosillo on 8/May/1719 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
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Second is Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes (Perez Franco) daughter of Jose Blas Perez de Paredes (junior) and Josefa Martin del Campo. Josefa is Rosa Maria's sister. Jose Blas Perez de Paredes (junior) is the son of Blas Perez de Pareds and Beatriz Gonzalez de Hermosillo.
2) Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes (aka Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes) married Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo before 1734. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
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Third is Beatriz Catharina Martin del Campo y Perez de Paredes. The niece is the daughter of Rosa Maria's half-sister Luisa Perez Franco (Perez de Paredes) and Nicolas Martin del Campo (Luisa was married to her half-sister's maternal uncle)
3) Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes (aka Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes) married Manuel Esteban Romo de Vivar y Lomelin on 26/Mar/1742 Jalisco.
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The fourth with a similar name that is also related through both her mother and father. She is Maria Catharina Ermenegilda Perez De Paredes ( aka Perez Franco). Maria Catharina is the daughter of Juan Perez de Paredes (aka Perez Franco, Franco de Paredes) and Gertrudis de Hermosillo (Aka Gonzalez de Hermosillo or Munoz de H.) Maria Catharina Perez de Paredes is a first cousin to (#1) Beatriz Catharina Perez de Paredes because their fathers are brothers.
4) Maria Catharina Ermenegilda Perez Franco (aka Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes) is married to Juan Thoribio Reynoso y Ramirez de Hermosillo on 28/Jan/1728, in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci
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Slave Owner Information

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I am searching for slave information in Zacatecas and Aguascalenties. I need to find the documents where slave owners listed their property including the numbers and names of slaves.

Call for Volunteers -- 1940 Census

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6 years before the 1940 Census becomes available. Anyone wanting to get
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Old Census Thread

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I know this thread is old, but I haven't been able to locate the 1940s Mexican census. Does anyone know where I can find it or when it is expected to be released?

Also, are there any books or sites that may show me older censuses (other than 1930) with documented names and households?

Thanks,
Vanessa

1940 Census of Mexico

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Vanessa

Worldcat lists a 30 volume set of books on the 1940 census of Mexico. There are volumes for each state, but I suspect these are statistical tables rather than the census itself.

Numerous university libraries in California have this.

I was unable to find any online sources for the actual census schedules.

George Fulton

Old Census Thread

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http://www.inegi.org.mx/est/contenidos/proyectos/ccpv/

i hope this helps

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, wrote:

> I know this thread is old, but I haven't been able to locate the 1940s
> Mexican census. Does anyone know where I can find it or when it is expected
> to be released? Also, are there any books or sites that may show me older
> censuses (other than 1930) with documented names and households? Thanks,
> Vanessa
>

Old Census Thread

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this is better

http://buscador.inegi.org.mx/search?requiredfields=cve_titgen:999&clien…

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, JOSE L. Zambrano
wrote:

> http://www.inegi.org.mx/est/contenidos/proyectos/ccpv/
>
>
> i hope this helps
>
> Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
>
>> I know this thread is old, but I haven't been able to locate the 1940s
>> Mexican census. Does anyone know where I can find it or when it is
>> expected
>> to be released? Also, are there any books or sites that may show me older
>> censuses (other than 1930) with documented names and households? Thanks,
>> Vanessa
>>

1940 Mexico Census

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I was curious? Is the 1940 Mexico Census records available? If so where could I find them? Do you all still need help with this project?
Jeremiah J. Zazueta

Mexican Genealogy Conference October 2016

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Gertrudis Romero de Chaves (Linda)

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Linda,

The marriage act is almost impossible to read; however, I found this:

Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo, son of Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Francisca Regina de Villas...

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Regina de Villaseñor y Cuevas

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You made a mistake when you wrote "Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo, son of Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Francisca Regina de Villas... (deceased)"

It does not say Francisca Regina Villa, , there is no Francisca in the record. It reads Doña Regina Villaseñor de Cuevas.

You made another mistake when you wrote "Francisca Gertrudis Romero de Zamora; daughter of Lucas Romero de Chávez and Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo."

It reads Doña Gertrudis Romero de Zamora

You are reading Francisca where it should be read Doña in both cases.

Rick A. Ricci

Alvarez, Dennis (Jalostotitlan, San Miguel, JAL; Aguascalientes, AGS)

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Dear Dennis,

We are distant cousins, fourth or fifth, I haven't figured out which.

Here are a few ancestors to add to your tree.

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Franco and Perez connection

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The two centuries following the Union of the Perez de Paredes and Franco surnames has caused some confusion in the minds of many people looking for their Paredes, Perez, and Franco ancestors

Some people flip-flopped their surnames as they were known as Perez, Perez de Paredes, Perez Franco. Franco Perez, or Franco de Paredes

That is why I believe that the mother of Merced Martin Perez, Ygnacia Perez, may be the same person known as Ygnacia Franco de Paredes.

Rick A. Ricci

Maria Antonia Reynoso m. 13/Apr/1796 to Pablo Raphael Vallejo

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Dear Dennis,

Parents of (11) Maria Antonia Reynoso are Pablo Reynoso and Maria Monica Barbara Martin Pobedano y Flores de Villavisiencio

Maria Monica Barbara is the daughter of Yldefonso Martin Pobedano and Antonia Flores de Villavisencio (in one record it clearly says Villaseñor)

As to the Jose Martin and Ignacia Perez in your family tree:
There were two couples, the first "juan Jose martin" married to a Ygnacia Perez and The second "Josesito Martin del Campo" married to a Ygnacia Perez. I need more information about Merced in order to find out which of the two couples are her parents. In the earlier post I listed Josesito and his wife as the parents. Juan Jose is the son of Josesito Martin del Campo.

I am relatively closely related to you through the Martin del Campo Perez line and Alvarez tostado Gonzalez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Trying to figure out if these 2 people are the same

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Can someone help me sort this out ? I'm not sure if these people are the same with different last names. I'm trying to do my family search on one of my last name Flores.

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Josef Calletano Beserra y Lomelin

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Here is information on Josef Calletano Becerra Lomelin

Baptism image 251 out of 714
Tecolotlan, Jalisco
Baptism records 1845-1855

Parents
Simon Beserra and Maria Carmenita (or Canuta) Lomelin

Abuelos paternos. Jose Maria Beserra and Maria Bernarda (Benita) Zalazar

Abuelos maternos Josef Julian Lomelin Macias ( bap. 25/Apr/1789)and Maria Francisca Rodriguez (aka Ma.Franca.Coronado) married 17/Jun/1816 Tecolotlan Jalisco

Parents of Josef Julian Lomelin y Macias Juan Antonio Lomelin and Juana Maria Macias

Parents of Maria Francisca Rodriguez (aka Coronado) are Jose Antonio Rodriguez and Maria Luisa Casillas

Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Calletano's baptismal record

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Dear Alex,

I believe that George and Manny have provided excellent advice as to how to proceed with this investigation. You left out some information that may help the investigation such as, Who is Calletano Flores married to and what are the names of his children?

Here is the baptismal record for Jose Calletano Becerra Lomelin. I am not sure if he is the same person as Calletano Flores but I believe that it is a high possibility due to the information you have given. More research is needed to confirm this though. I also found some other records you should look at. You may have to research all of Calletano's siblings to see if any of their descendants also used the Flores surname.

Jose Calletano Becerra Lomelin
Mexico Baptisms
Name Jose Calletano Becerra Lomelin
Gender Male
Christening Date 23 Aug 1849
Christening Place CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Ma. Canuta Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSX6-LMB : 12 December 2014), Jose Calletano Becerra Lomelin, 23 Aug 1849; citing CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,548.

Jose George De Jesus Becerra Lomelin
Gender Male
Christening Date 23 Apr 1838
Christening Place Corazon De Jesus, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Jose Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Juana Mara. Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXHW-KJC : 12 December 2014), Jose George De Jesus Becerra Lomelin, 23 Apr 1838; citing Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico, reference 2:1XW1KQC; FHL microfilm 1,154,547

Mara. Feliciana De Jesus Becerra Lomelin
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Jun 1840
Christening Place CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Mara. Del Carmen Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYT6-DLZ : 12 December 2014), Mara. Feliciana De Jesus Becerra Lomelin, 12 Jun 1840; citing CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,547.

Ma. Tomasa De Jesus Becerra Lomelin
Mexico Baptisms
Name Ma. Tomasa De Jesus Becerra Lomelin
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Sep 1842
Christening Place CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Ma. Carmen Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYT6-DL6 : 12 December 2014), Ma. Tomasa De Jesus Becerra Lomelin, 19 Sep 1842; citing CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,547.

J. Simon Becerra
mentioned in the record of J. Simon Becerra and Maa. Del Carmen Lomelin
Name J. Simon Becerra
Spouse's Name Maa. Del Carmen Lomelin
Event Date 14 Jun 1837
Event Place Corazon De Jesus,Tecolotlan,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZL-MHM : 15 July 2015), J. Simon Becerra and Maa. Del Carmen Lomelin, 14 Jun 1837; citing Corazon De Jesus,Tecolotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,560.

Other information in the record of Sabina Becerra Lomelin
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Sabina Becerra Lomelin
Gender Female
Christening Date 01 Jan 1845
Christening Place CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Ma. Del Carmen Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJBY-P2S : 12 December 2014), Simon Becerra in entry for Sabina Becerra Lomelin, 01 Jan 1845; citing CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,547.

from Mexico Baptisms
Name Donaciana Becerra Lomelin
Gender Female
Christening Date 07 Sep 1851
Christening Place CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Simon Becerra
Mother's Name Carmen Lomelin
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG81-C3D : 12 December 2014), Simon Becerra in entry for Donaciana Becerra Lomelin, 07 Sep 1851; citing CORAZON DE JESUS,TECOLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,548.

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZL-MHM : 15 July 2015), J. Simon Becerra and Maa. Del Carmen Lomelin, 14 Jun 1837; citing Corazon De Jesus,Tecolotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,154,560.

Jose Olallo Becerra
Spouse's Name Maria Benita Salazar
Event Date 04 Oct 1790
Event Place Ameca,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Juan Francisco Becerra
Mother's Name Maria Feliciana Cruz
Spouse's Father's Name Felix Salazar
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Josefa Sepeda
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZH-CW6 : 15 July 2015), Jose Olallo Becerra and Maria Benita Salazar, 04 Oct 1790; citing Ameca,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 233,117.

Name Maria Anselma Therza Beserra Salazar
Gender Female
Christening Date 01 May 1799
Christening Place AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Maria Beserra
Mother's Name Maria Benita Salazar
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTB-X7G : 12 December 2014), Maria Benita Salazar in entry for Maria Anselma Therza Beserra Salazar, 01 May 1799; citing AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 233,070

Name Jose Estanislao Beserra Salazar
Gender Male
Christening Date 02 Jul 1805
Christening Place AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Estanislao Beserra
Mother's Name Maria Benita Salazar
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTY-KBC : 12 December 2014), Maria Benita Salazar in entry for Jose Estanislao Beserra Salazar, 02 Jul 1805; citing AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 233,070.

A possible second marriage for Maria Benita Salazar?
Maria Benita Salazar
mentioned in the record of Jose Nepomuceno Gonzalez and Maria Benita Salazar
Name Jose Nepomuceno Gonzalez
Spouse's Name Maria Benita Salazar
Event Date 04 Feb 1826
Event Place Ameca,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Agustin Gonzalez
Mother's Name Teresa Aguallo
Spouse's Father's Name Pablo Salazar
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Gertrudis Ruiz
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZFK-K9K : 16 July 2015), Jose Nepomuceno Gonzalez and Maria Benita Salazar, 04 Feb 1826; citing Ameca,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 233,119.

Jose Simon Beserra Salasar
Gender Male
Christening Date 30 Oct 1808
Christening Place SAN MIGUEL,COCULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Beserra
Mother's Name Benita Salasar
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TG-C7K : 12 December 2014), Jose Simon Beserra Salasar, 30 Oct 1808; citing SAN MIGUEL,COCULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 232,869.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Calletano's baptismal record

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Thank you soo much for the help. By the information you have given me, it is looking like they are the same person. Regarding Calletano Flores, I have yet to find his birth document too. Maybe that's why I cannot find it. Calletano Flores married Maria Trinidad Rangel and the children I have for them are;
Ursulo Flores- Can't find birth or death document
Ignacio Flores- my great grandfather who married Leonarda Garcia on March 1 1908 in San Juan de Amula, El Limon, Jalisco. He is listed on the marriage certificate as Flores. I don't have his birth or death document.
Ricardo Flores, born April 3 1890 in Chiquilistlan, Jalisco- document found
Micaela Flores- born 29 Sept 1892 in Chiquilistlan, Jalisco-document found
Narcisa Flores- born 28 July 1894 in Chiquilistlan, Jalisco- document found
Higinio Flores- born 11 Jan 1900 in Chiquilistlan, Jalisco- document found
Maria Flores- born 25 October 1901 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco- document found
I will use the information you have given me to compare. Another important factor I left out is the parents of Maria del Carmen Lomeli. On the baptism records for 2 of Calletanos sisters, Francisca and Donaciana Flores, it mentions the grandparents on the maternal side which are the same names as the Becerra line. Julian Lomeli and Francisca Rodriguez. I think it's too much coincidence.

Chiquilistlan

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Dear Alex,
I agree with you that having the baptism records for 2 of Calletanos sisters, Francisca and Donaciana Flores is a big key. That they mention the grandparents on the maternal side, which are the same names as the Becerra line, Julian Lomeli and Francisca Rodriguez, is very important for this search. As you continue researching remember that although Francisca's father's surname is Rodriguez, Francisca also used the surname Coronado.

The information that you added that your great grandparents were from Chiquilistlan adds ammunition to the connection between Them and Jose Julian Lomeli y Macias who was born in Chiquilistlan.

The parents of Josef Julian Lomelin y Macias, Juan Antonio Lomelin and Juana Maria Macias, had many children born in Chiquilistlan.

Your welcome,
Rick A. Ricci

One more question

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Rick,
Could I bother you with help on another issue. I'm trying to find the birth\death document for my great grandmother Leonarda Garcia. I have been looking for about 6 months now and have yet to locate it. I don't know where\when she was born. I know she passed away between 1920's and 1930's in Jalisco around El Grullo. My grandmother was told her mother died during labor. She was a kid at the time and does not remember how old she was. My grandmother was born March 26 1919 in el Grullo. She was the last child to be born. Leonarda Garcia was married to Ignacio Flores (Becerra). They were married March 1 1908 in San Juan de Amula, El Limon, Jalisco. Leonarda Garcia's parents were Silvestre Garcia and Maria del Pilar Siordia. Thanks !

Leonardo Garcia

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Dear Alex,

I'm glad to help but that is a lot of years that you have to go page by page. Please talk to your grandmother and see if you can narrow the time frame some in order to make this search easier. Ask about different occurrences in her life and ask if her grandmother died after or before each occurrence. Hours talking to her narrowing it down may save many months of work. Have you tried searching both civil and church records? If she was ill for an extended time, she may have been moved to a hospital in the nearest big city. What is the nearest big city?

I used to live in front of a lady born in El Gullo. My mom still keeps in contact with her, they are in their late 80's.

Good luck,
Rick

Leonarda Garcia

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Thanks for the advise. I will speak with my grandmother and see if I can narrow it down. I have been looking through the civil and church records, but as you stated. It is a big gap and it's taking me forever, and have yet to find anything. I wont give up though. thanks again !

Indexed civil records on Ancestry.com

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Alex

Have you looked at Ancestry.com? Civil records. - births, marriages, and deaths - have been indexed for many communities, with linked images. If you do not have a subscription many public libraries do, as well as the LDS Family History Centers.

George Fulton

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Dear George,
Thank you George Fulton for providing such excellent advice.

Dear Alex,

After you interrogate your grandmother trying to get a smaller timeframe and the right town to look at, it would be wise to follow George Fulton's advice and use ancestry.com's indexes since that would take a lot less time and work.

Looking forward to hearing about what you learned from your grandmother. You may have engage her in conversation for hours, getting her to just ramble on and on with guided questions, often asking the same questions, to get guidance as to where to find what you are looking for. My mother in laws brothers didn't give me what I was looking for until I had them talking over eight hours over three days. On the third day they remembered one more of the grandmothers brothers that was the key to continuing that family tree.

Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

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Submitted by gpf13 on Tue, 2016-09-13 19:11.
Alex

George Fulton

Flores vs Becerra

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Alex

The similarity of names is certainly suggestive.

I would try to find the matrimonial investigations for each of these marriages; hopefully they exist for the time period of interest. There may be some clues there. In some cases the matrimonial investigations exist even though you cannot find a marriage document. Maybe there is a Flores in the Becerra or Lomeli ancestry could account for a surname change.

I would also look at the specific birthplaces, not just the town where the church where the baptism or marriage was celebrated. If only one locale is mentioned in all the records it helps to make the case that the two Simons are the same person.

Good luck,
George Fulton

Trying to figure out if these 2 people are the same

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Hola Alex,

I was going to suggest what George recommends. The matrimonial investigations will give place of birth and approximate age. Check the witnesses - sometimes they are family members.

Personally, I’d say they are the same person: “Simon” was not a common name, and the coinciding given name of his father, and the coinciding names of the wives are strong indicators.

Try this: make a timeline for both Simon Flores and Simon Becerra, and then put them together: if the Flores and Becerra children are born at least 9 months apart, then you’re on the right track. Also, as George recommends, check which rancho or puesto the children were born on, and the padrinos, and see if they coincide.

I’d also recommend researching the family group of Jose Maria Becerra aka Flores and Benita Salazar, and see if he used both surnames, or any of their other offspring.

For some reason or another, some people used aliases. Naming practices get confusing, as you dig further back, though it was usually the women who would alternate surnames (usually between their paternal & maternal surnames).

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Trying to figure out if these 2 people are the same

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Thank you for the suggestions. I will look into it. I am intrigged in finding out.

Flores vs Becerra

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Thank you for taking the time to help me out. I will research what you suggested. thank you !!

Aguascalientes Matrimonial Investigations 1737-1740

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I have just posted the final installment of my project to extract the matrimonial investigations for Aguascalientes, generally covering the period 1737-1740.

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aguascalientes matrimonial investigations

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I also would like to say a big thank you to George!

Regards
Denise

Thank you for the kind words

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Simona and Austin

Thank you for the kind words!

The index files can be downloaded and printed by any NR member. If the index helps a fellow NR member find something useful, please cite the Family Search film, rather than my work as the reference, as my index is a secondary source, or a finding aid.

George Fulton

Many thanks

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I am always so grateful to be a member with so many people like yourself helping us all advance our tree with great resources. Thanks!

Aguascalientes Matrimonial

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Thank you George! Your work is an invaluable resource!

Austin Perez

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Codicilo de Don Pedro Lorenzo de Castilla

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Hola compañeros:

Cuento con el codicilo de Don Pedro Lorenzo de Castilla, en caso de que tenga interés para alguno de ustedes, háganmelo saber para publicar el extracto.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Me interesa el codicilio de Don Pedro Lorenso de Castilla

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Me interesa el codicilio del Mariscal de Castilla por tener muchas tierras en San Francisco del Rincon, Gto., y te comento que ese testamento de Hernando Galvan de Rojas yo lo trate y consulte en el año de 1985, me asombra que 31 años despues ustedes que son las nuevas generaciones apenas lo vean hoy. Yo soy un damnificado de dos piratas llamados barba rosa Helcombe y barba roja Glez. de Rubalcacaba, ya que estos personajes presumen de muchos datos, pero la mayoria fueron datos mal habidos de cerca de 20 estudiosos de la genealogia de los años 1975 a 2005, ya que al manejar los datos de estos 20 estudiosos, con acuerdos de no publicar nada sin el permiso de los dueños de los datos y despues sin ningun pudor presentarlos como suyos, se dieron a conocer como piratas, sin otro particular te envió un cordial saludo

Codicilo de Pedro Lorenzo de Castilla

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Hola Joseph:

La colección de documentos inéditos sólo se imprimió una vez, tardé cerca de tres años para consultar los ocho volúmenes. Actualmente ya existe en una biblioteca de la U.A.Q. pero hay un sólo juego. Por eso no es raro que sea difícil consultarlo.

Mi intención al ofrecer ciertos documentos es reavivar algunos de los temas que quedaron en suspenso y de esa manera dar un sentido al trabajo de tantos compañeros, sería como aportar una pieza del rompecabezas.

"En el pueblo de Querétaro, en veinte y seis días del mes de febrero de mil seiscientos e un años, ante mí el escribano y testigos , pareció Don Pedro Lorenzo de Castilla, vecino de la ciudad de México y estante en éste pueblo....

"Dijo y declaró que Don Luis Felipe de Castilla su hijo, tiene en su poder una ejecutoria real del pleito que trató con él y sus fiadores en razón de los tributos y pueblos de Texcaltitlán...

... que desde l día que falleció doña Catalina de Chávez, su primera mujer y madre del dicho don Luis Felipe de Castilla, que constará por el testamento que la dicha otorgó.. tiempo y en adelante mil quinientos ochenta y cuatro, cobró e hizo todos los tributos de dinero y maíz que pagaron los indios del pueblo de Texcaltitlán y sus sujetos; y no los hubo: gozó y cobró el dicho Don Luis Felipe de Castilla, su hijo ni otra persona por él y se los debe al dicho su hijo..."

Sigue una amplia pormenorización de cómo do Pedro Lorenzo siguió cobrando los tributos a pesar de que su hijo trató de cobrarlos por sí. Le señala preferentemente la entrega de la dote de doña Catalina de Chávez y sus gananciales a su hijo Luis Felipe para que no tenga que pagar a don Francisco Pacheco de Bocanegra, yerno nada de dicho concepto.

Refiere unas haciendas de minas en Taxco, esclavos y deudas.

Refiere que su hija Catalina de Chávez casó con don Francisco Pacheco de Bocanegra y aclara que pagó la dote y excluye a su hija de la dote su madre.

Nombra como albacea a Duarte de Tovar y a Luis Felipe de Castilla como su único y universal heredero.

Dispone que su cuerpo se entierre en el monasterio de San Francisco deste pueblo.

Testigos, Fray Miguel López, Manuel Baracho, Simón Nuñez, Francisco Hurtado de Mendoza,

Antonio Martínez de Acevedo, ante Baltasar Martínez escribano de su majestad.

Documentos Inéditos para la historia de Querétaro, Tomo III p. 65-71; U.A.Q.1984

Saludos

Marcelina

Explore Your Mexican Roots

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Announcement Mexican Genealogy Conference 2016

EXPLORE YOUR MEXICAN ROOTS

The Nueva Galicia Genealogy Society (NGGS) of Sacramento offers this one day
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Testamento de Hernando Galván

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Hola de nuevo:

Saludos a todos, cuento con el testamento de Don Hernando Galván, padre del clan Galván de Rojas, por si le interesa a alguien más.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Testamento de Hernando

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo descíendo de Don Hernando Galvan, padre del clan Galván de Rojas,

Yo tengo mucho interes en el testamento de Don Hernando Galván.

Gracias,

Ricardo A. Ricci

Testamento de Hernando Galván

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"En el nombre de Dios Nuestro Señor, amén. Sepan cuantos estas carta de testamento vieren, cómo yo, Hernando Galván, vecino deste pueblo de Querétaro, hijo legítimo de Alonso Galván y Constanza Torrina, difuntos, estando como estoy enfermo del cuerpo y sano de la voluntad... ordeno mi testamento en la forma e manera siguiente:

Mandas

Deudas

Declaro que soy casado legítimamente con Francisca de Espíndola, con la cual recibí en dote mil pesos de oro común, y cuando con ella me casé tenía por mis bienes doscientas cabras y un sitio de estancia en Apapátaro, y durante nuestro matrimonio hemos habido por nuestros hijos legítimos a Constanza de Rojas, mujer de Gonzalo Zamorano, y a Catalina de Espíndola, mujer de Diego Ramírez, Juan Galván, Alonso Galván, Hernando Galván, Miguel y Cristóbal y Francisca".

Albacea: Francisca de Espíndola, Juan y Alonso. Herederos: que se pague a Francisca de Espíndola los mil pesos de su dote y la mitad de multiplicado y el resto por partes iguales entre hijos e hijas.
Bienes: la casa en que moraba, 27,000 ovejas, cuatro sitios y medio de ganado menor y mayor en ésta jurisdicción; 20 mulas, un esclavo llamado Tomé, otros seis esclavos y esclavas negros, cantidad de yeguas, vacas y bueyes, objetos de plata labrada, 600 fanegas de maíz.

Declara que debe 400 pesos a Hernando Galván, más adelante aclara que éste Hernando es un hijo que hubo siendo soltero en mujer soltera, le deja un legado de 200 pesos.

Hay un codicilo en el que reconoce deber a un sobrino llamado Alonso Galván hijo de Tomás de Castillón 55 pesos de once vacas que le vendió con once becerros.

Declaró que es deudor de Francisco Galván su hermano de noventa pesos de oro común.

Archivo de Notarías, Gaspar de Porras, Número 11 1606-1607

DOCUMENTOS INÉDITOS PARA LA HISTORIA DE QUERETARO, Tomo VIII, U.A.Q., México, 1990, p.p.8-22

Saludos

Marcelina

Hernandez Galvan

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Estimada Marcelina,

Este testamento da mucha informacíon. Lo mas importante para mi es que tuvo dos hijos llamados Hernando Galvan. Algunos genealogos confunden al ilegitimo Hernando Galvan como con el hijo legitimo, Hernando Galvan de Rojas. Lo Rojas viene de la esposa entonces la Rama de los Galvan de Rojas desciende de los hijos legitimos.

Muchas gracias por el testamento de Hernando Galvan.

Ricardo A. Ricci

Ramírez- Roxas-Espíndola

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Hola Richard:

Que bueno que te sirva el testamento. Actualmente he estado investigando a Francisca de Espíndola ya que también pertenece a mi familia, aunque no desciendo de ella:

Mi abuelo 10° Juan Ramírez de Coy estuvo casado con Doña María de Espíndola (que en realidad se apellidaba Avendaño de Espíndola) y tenía una hermana que se llamaba Ana y varias sobrinas, pero no identifiqué ninguna hermana que se llamara Francisca, pero hay indicios de que se trata de la misma familia por lo siguiente:

La familia Ramírez de Coy les ponía a sus hijas el apellido "de Roxas" y de eso hay varios registros, tanto del siglo XVI como del siglo XVII. Incluso uno de los hijos se hacía llamar Nicolás de Roxas.

Fray Pariente de Verona -según algunas versiones- en un libro que se llama Paramología dijo que Don Juan Sánchez de Alanís dejó como descendencia a una hija, de la que descienden los Rico de Roxas y los Ramírez de Coy. Yo estuve leyendo el libro pero no lo terminé porque al referirse a especialmente a ciertas controversias religiosas me pareció un poco tedioso.

Ambas familias estaban dentro del mismo núcleo de tratantes. Diego Ramírez de Coy era hermano de Juan Ramírez de Coy y yerno de Hernando Galván.

En el codicilo dice:

"Primeramente, declaró le es deudor Juan Ramírez de Coy de trescientos y noventa pesos de oro común que pagó por él a Juan Rodríguez Galán y a Luis de Tovar a quien los debía, declárolo por sus bienes para que se cobren de él".

Saludos

Marcelina

Spinola de Torrina en Italia

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Hola Marcelina,

El testamento de Harnando Galvan tiene mucha informacíon. Se me hace muy interesante que su esposa Francisca Espindola sea hija de Catalina Torrina. La combinacíon de los apellidos Espindola y Torrina nos dice que es posíble que haya una connecíon con la familia Spinola de Torrina en Italia.

Gracias,

Ricardo

Torrina

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Hola Ricardo:

La familia Espíndola originalmente era la familia Spínola de Génova, una rama pasó a Sevilla y de allí se desprende una rama que pasa a Jerez de la Frontera.

Elaboré un libro sobre las familias de orígen turano en México, a raíz de la presencia de una mujer Constanza Turena en Querétaro. En Europa existen cantidad de poblaciones con el inicio "tur" Touraine, Turón, Turín, etc. de eso se trata mi investigación.

Me pregunto si Torrina es Turín.

En Querétaro, además de los Bocanegra hubo lo apellidos Espíndola, Doria, Grimaldo, Calvo, Cusia, Lira...

¿Puedes decirme algo sobre Torrina?

Saludos

Marcelina

Spinola y otra lineas italianas

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo desciendo de una rama de Spinola de Genova que paso a Sevilla.

Gracias,
Ricardo

Daniel Mendez: Sebastian Francisco Onate

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Hey Daniel this person emailed me with an image for you. IF you want me to
forward the image I can or you can look it up for yourself. Or you can email
this person directly. Let me know.

Testamento de Juan de las Ruelas

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Hola a todos:

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Beatriz de las Ruelas

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Una hipótesis que se maneja, aunque sería difícil de probar, es que esta Beatriz de las Ruelas sería la esposa de Santos Rojo, ambos pobladores de Saltillo a finales del siglo XVI y principios del XVII (por lo menos ella, que enviudó).

Ruelas y de paso Menchaca

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Hola Menchaca:

Pues es posible, dado que Don Juan dejó sus bienes en Zacatecas, unas casas arrendadas y no he visto registros de personas con apellido Ruelas posteriormente.

La familia Menchaca es de las primeras de Querétaro y existe hasta la fecha. Su hacienda ya fue fraccionada por la misma familia.

Saludos

Marcelina

Juan de las Ruelas

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Marcelina

i don't know who Juan de las Ruelas is. Is he related to the Sotomayor family? do you have the link to his testamento?

Danny C. Alonso

Familia Ruelas

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Hola Danny:

Realmente no se, no tengo libros sobre Zacatecas, pero puede estar relacionado con la familia Sotomayor. Lo expuse como contribución porque alguien podría saberlo.

Saludos

Marcelina

Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo, Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt mention this not sure why.

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Familia Galvan de Rojas

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I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño. I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.

Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de Rojas.

Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.

Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605 (segundas nupcias).
Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582), que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6) Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos: Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola (quizá hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599), mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr. 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo del 9-I-1608.
http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html

If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and Francisca that married Ana López.

There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina Galván.

That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.

Can anyone help in finding the missing info?

Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.

Un saludo cordial, Armando

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Familia Galvan de Rojas

By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009

Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo, Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt mention this not sure why.

I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism

18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX

his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de Rojas.

This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice, Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.

-Daniel
Armando

Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Si estos Galvan son la misma familia, la problema es que hay varios Hernando y varios
Alonso Galvan. Se necesita mas comprobacion a conectar el alteno. Soy experto en las
lineas altenas y genealogias nobilarias de Mexico los que no era titulado y los que si eran
titulado. Me encanta el estudio de esas familias nobles de la Ciudad de Mexico, ya que
mis Perez de Camino era parte de esa oligarquia. Para comprender y estudiar esa nobleza
mexicana se necesita y requiere estudiar toda la nobleza mexicana ya que si alguien conecta
con ellos encontrara que se casaban como familias entre los Perez de Camino, Martinez del Rio,
Leonel-Gomez de Cervantes, Romero de Terreros, Rincon Gallardo, etc algunas familias que honoro
y amo bastante por su servicio y amistad.

Pues ya me diste la ultima pista sobre Juan de Villalobos Tiscareno, quien era hijo
de 27 de agosto de 1690 en la villa de Aguascalientes, siendo hijo de don Tomas de Villalobos
y Francisca de Tiscareno (o Tiscareno de Molina) quienes casaron el 26 abril de 1689 cuyos
padres eran Salvador de Villalobos, Francisca Lopez de la Cruz (Martin del Campo) y
el capitan Juan Tiscareno de Molina e Isabel Romo de Vivar. Ojala esto ayuda.

Una cosa de precaucion no se debe confundir hay dos Juan de Villalobos quien caso a
Petronila Galvan de Rojas. Hay dos el primer tuvo hijos alreadores de 1747 cuyo fecha
fue el bautizo de Miguel Geronimo de Villalobos fechado 12 de noviembre de 1747 en
Santa Maria de los Lagos. (Pienso que este era tu linea?) el segundo era Juan de Villalobos
Tiscareno quien caso a Antonia Petronila Galvan de Rojas quienes tuvieron sus hijos alreadores
de los 1720s empezando Juan Manuel bautizado 24 de junio de 1725 en Lagos. La localidad,
nombres pudiese decir que eran los mismos, pero no pienso es el caso con estos. No hay comprobacion
que eran los mismos.

Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>
> I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño. I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
>
> Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de Rojas.
>
> Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
>
> Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605 (segundas nupcias).
> Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582), que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6) Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos: Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola (quizá
> hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599), mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr. 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo del 9-I-1608.
> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
>
> If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and Francisca that married Ana López.
>
> There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina Galván.
>
> That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
>
> Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
>
> Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
>
> Un saludo cordial, Armando
>
>
> This is in response to -
>
> Familia Galvan de Rojas
>
> By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
>
> Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo, Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt mention this not sure why.
>
> I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
>
> 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
>
> his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
> Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de Rojas.
>
> This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice, Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
>
> -Daniel
> Armando

Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya quemencionaste
parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los mismos a
lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14 de
edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos encontrar
algun documento para ser seguro en esto.

Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Daniel, todos los bautismos de los hijos de Juan Villalobos y Petra alias
Petrona alias Petronila Galvan transcurren en Lagos entre 1723 y 1744 y son
tan pocos los Villalobos y Galvan que no me cabe duda que son los mismos. El
proceso de eliminación resulta en deducción y no en fabricación. Fabricación
es por ejemplo decir que Tomas Alva Edison es de los Altos por Alva sin
tener comprobación cuando es una zona muy lejana de otro pais de otro idioma
etc o decir que ya había llegado hombres blancos a México antes del siglo
XVI porque Quetzalcoatl era blanco con pelo rubio sin saber porque estaba
pintado así y sin tener evidencias de europeos antes de tal siglo. Entiendo
que es facil de llegar a conclusiones erróneos sin el proceso de eliminación
pero ya que uno elimina todas las posibilidades que sean otra persona queda
muy poca duda. De todas formas ya había pedido copias del bautismo y el
matrimonio de Juan José Villalobos Galván. Tal vez puede confirmar lo que yo
he deducido. Celestino Villalobos era quien primero me dio los nombres de
los padres de Juan como Tomas y Francisca Tiscareño. Tal vez el nos puede
dar más información de como llegó a esa misma conclusión pero por
comunicación que he tenido con el ya se que no lo va a poder hacer en estos
dias.
Pasa lo mismo si haces una busqueda de Pedro Gonzalez y Petra Moreno, los
padres de la novia de un hijo de Juan José Villalobos Galván, y veras que no
siempre llevan los nombres igualitos pero tienen que ser siempre los mismos,
Pedro Gonzalez de Rubalcava y Anna Petra Moreno Gamino.

Armando

2010/10/3 Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

>
> Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
> quemencionaste
> parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los mismos
> a
> lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
> y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14 de
> edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
> Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos
> encontrar
> algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
>
>
> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
>
>
>
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >
> > I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
> Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño.
> I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
> >
> > Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
> medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos
> Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de
> Rojas.
> >
> > Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
> 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
> >
> > Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván
> (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le
> llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la
> menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605
> (segundas nupcias).
> > Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
> Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas
> (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de
> Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582),
> que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso
> Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6)
> Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván
> (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos:
> Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de
> Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de
> Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don
> José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña
> Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola
> (quizá
> > hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599),
> mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr.
> 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo
> del 9-I-1608.
> > http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
> >
> > If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso
> that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it
> the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did
> Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
> baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An
> Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and
> Francisca that married Ana López.
> >
> > There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván
> y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su
> tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina
> Galván.
> >
> > That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
> 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been
> born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in
> México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't
> descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
> >
> > Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
> >
> > Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien
> una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
> >
> > Un saludo cordial, Armando
> >
> >
> > This is in response to -
> >
> > Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >
> > By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
> >
> > Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo,
> Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
> mention this not sure why.
> >
> > I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
> >
> > 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
> >
> > his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
> > Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de
> Rojas.
> >
> > This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
> Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y
> Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
> >
> > -Daniel
> > Armando
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Familia Galvan de Rojas

Comment

Si estas corecto no es fabricacion es deducion. Es que soy muy cuidado con registros.
Pero si son los mismos. Ademas en 1740s a lo menos parece una vez como Antonia
Petra Galvan. Ya agrege estos datos como la mismas personas.

Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:18:11 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>
> Daniel, todos los bautismos de los hijos de Juan Villalobos y Petra alias
> Petrona alias Petronila Galvan transcurren en Lagos entre 1723 y 1744 y son
> tan pocos los Villalobos y Galvan que no me cabe duda que son los mismos. El
> proceso de eliminación resulta en deducción y no en fabricación. Fabricación
> es por ejemplo decir que Tomas Alva Edison es de los Altos por Alva sin
> tener comprobación cuando es una zona muy lejana de otro pais de otro idioma
> etc o decir que ya había llegado hombres blancos a México antes del siglo
> XVI porque Quetzalcoatl era blanco con pelo rubio sin saber porque estaba
> pintado así y sin tener evidencias de europeos antes de tal siglo. Entiendo
> que es facil de llegar a conclusiones erróneos sin el proceso de eliminación
> pero ya que uno elimina todas las posibilidades que sean otra persona queda
> muy poca duda. De todas formas ya había pedido copias del bautismo y el
> matrimonio de Juan José Villalobos Galván. Tal vez puede confirmar lo que yo
> he deducido. Celestino Villalobos era quien primero me dio los nombres de
> los padres de Juan como Tomas y Francisca Tiscareño. Tal vez el nos puede
> dar más información de como llegó a esa misma conclusión pero por
> comunicación que he tenido con el ya se que no lo va a poder hacer en estos
> dias.
> Pasa lo mismo si haces una busqueda de Pedro Gonzalez y Petra Moreno, los
> padres de la novia de un hijo de Juan José Villalobos Galván, y veras que no
> siempre llevan los nombres igualitos pero tienen que ser siempre los mismos,
> Pedro Gonzalez de Rubalcava y Anna Petra Moreno Gamino.
>
> Armando
>
> 2010/10/3 Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
>
> >
> > Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
> > quemencionaste
> > parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los mismos
> > a
> > lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
> > y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14 de
> > edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
> > Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos
> > encontrar
> > algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
> >
> >
> > Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> > >
> > > I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
> > Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño.
> > I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
> > >
> > > Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
> > medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos
> > Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de
> > Rojas.
> > >
> > > Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
> > 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
> > >
> > > Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván
> > (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le
> > llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la
> > menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605
> > (segundas nupcias).
> > > Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
> > Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas
> > (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de
> > Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582),
> > que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso
> > Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6)
> > Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván
> > (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos:
> > Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de
> > Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de
> > Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don
> > José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña
> > Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola
> > (quizá
> > > hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599),
> > mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr.
> > 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo
> > del 9-I-1608.
> > > http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
> > >
> > > If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso
> > that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it
> > the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did
> > Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
> > baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An
> > Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and
> > Francisca that married Ana López.
> > >
> > > There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván
> > y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su
> > tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina
> > Galván.
> > >
> > > That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
> > 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been
> > born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in
> > México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't
> > descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
> > >
> > > Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
> > >
> > > Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien
> > una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
> > >
> > > Un saludo cordial, Armando
> > >
> > >
> > > This is in response to -
> > >
> > > Familia Galvan de Rojas
> > >
> > > By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
> > >
> > > Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo,
> > Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
> > mention this not sure why.
> > >
> > > I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
> > >
> > > 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
> > >
> > > his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
> > > Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de
> > Rojas.
> > >
> > > This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
> > Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y
> > Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
> > >
> > > -Daniel
> > > Armando
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Comment

Estoy de acuerdo que hay que tener precaución de no llegar a conclusiones
falsas. Haces bien en ser precavido. Ya que mencionaste a Leonel de
Cervantes en una de las respuestas, en la página de Encarnación de Díaz nos
dice que de el desciende José (Jusepe) Cervantes y de Alva quien se casó con
Josefa Cárdenas padres de Juan de Dios Cervantes Cárdenas bautizado en 1686
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
se casó con María de Avila
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
tuvieron a María Josefa según el matrimonio de 1732 con Antonio de
Abalos
(también es de Avalos y Dávalos)
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
María
Josefa Cervantes Avila, tuvo a Andrés de Abalos Cervantes
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
quien
se casó con Rita Rosalia Esparza Moreno
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
y
tuvieron a Rafael de Abalos Esparza
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
quien
se casó con Malena Nazaria Lozano Reyes
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
y
tuvieron a Juana Dávalos Lozano
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
quien
se casó con Bernardo Villalobos Santoyo, hijo de José María Villalobos
González y María Calista Santoyo Espinoza, quienes tuvieron a mi bisabuela
Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Saludos, Armando

2010/10/3 Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

>
> Si estas corecto no es fabricacion es deducion. Es que soy muy cuidado con
> registros.
> Pero si son los mismos. Ademas en 1740s a lo menos parece una vez como
> Antonia
> Petra Galvan. Ya agrege estos datos como la mismas personas.
>
>
> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
>

Familia Galvan de Rojas

Comment

Saludos Daniel:

Ya nos habiamos comunicado en el pasado. Soy Villalobos22. Agradezco la
ayuda que siempre nos prestas en cuestiones dificiles.

Acerca de Juan de Villalobos. Necesito tu ayuda. Mencionas a dos Juan de
Villalobos. Y yo tengo a uno en mi arbol. Donde cae este?

Tengo a Juan como padre de mi abuelo (7 generacion) Bartholome de
Villalobos nacido en 1691 poco antes de la muerte de Juan.
Juan se caso en 1684 con Beatriz Romo de Vivar Tiscareno (nacida 1668 en
Lagos de Moreno) y murio Feb, 1, 1692
Los padres de Beatriz fueron P.O. Romo de Vivar y Lorenza de Tiscareno.
Sabes quien es P.O. o' que nombre significan esas letras? Habias visto a
esta pareja antes?

Creo que tengo la correcta informacion acerca de los padres de Bartholome de
Villalobos (esposo de Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo) pero que piensas tu?

Bueno Daniel, me gustaria tu opinion. Gracias por cualquier luz que puedas
derramar en esta parejita.

Cordialmente,
Mercedes Gomez Villalobos

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino"
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:22 PM
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas

>
> Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
> quemencionaste
> parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los
> mismos a
> lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
> y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14
> de
> edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
> Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos
> encontrar
> algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
>
>
> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
>
>
>
>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: fandemma@gmail.com
>> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>>
>> I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
>> Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos
>> Tiscareño. I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de
>> Rojas.
>>
>> Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
>> medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de
>> Villalobos Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los
>> Galván de Rojas.
>>
>> Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
>> 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
>>
>> Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván
>> (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le
>> llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la
>> menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el
>> 12-IX-1605 (segundas nupcias).
>> Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
>> Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas
>> (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de
>> Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván
>> (c.1582), que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván
>> (c.1584; Alonso Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5)
>> Hernando, 6) Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño),
>> 8) Miguel Galván (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del
>> 15-II-1612; padrinos: Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el
>> 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el
>> 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña
>> Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes
>> de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña Francisca Galvana" en la
>> partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola (quizá
>> hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599),
>> mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr.
>> 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo
>> del 9-I-1608.
>> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
>>
>> If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso
>> that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it
>> the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did
>> Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
>> baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590.
>> An Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and
>> Francisca that married Ana López.
>>
>> There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván
>> y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su
>> tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina
>> Galván.
>>
>> That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
>> 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been
>> born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in
>> México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso
>> doesn't descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
>>
>> Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
>>
>> Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien
>> una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
>>
>> Un saludo cordial, Armando
>>
>>
>> This is in response to -
>>
>> Familia Galvan de Rojas
>>
>> By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
>>
>> Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo,
>> Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
>> mention this not sure why.
>>
>> I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
>>
>> 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
>>
>> his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
>> Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de
>> Rojas.
>>
>> This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
>> Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y
>> Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
>>
>> -Daniel
>> Armando

Familia Galvan de Rojas

Comment

Discúlpenme por meterme a su conversación pero puedo decirte que Daniel
tiene esa información en su página
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=los-altos-reg…
por lo que encuentro ahí mi 7o abuelo Tomás Villalobos era hermano de
tu
7o abuelo Juan Villalobos quienes eran hijos de Salvador de Villalobos
Macías Valadez y Francisca Martín del Campo y López de La Cruz. De ellos
también desciende Celestino Villalobos. Hace falta encontrar la fecha que
quedó la hacienda de La Mesa Redonda en manos de los Villalobos.
Originalmente fue de Pedro de Anda.

Saludos,
Armando

2010/10/3 dougnmerci

> Saludos Daniel:
>
> Ya nos habiamos comunicado en el pasado. Soy Villalobos22. Agradezco la
> ayuda que siempre nos prestas en cuestiones dificiles.
>
> Acerca de Juan de Villalobos. Necesito tu ayuda. Mencionas a dos Juan de
> Villalobos. Y yo tengo a uno en mi arbol. Donde cae este?
>
> Tengo a Juan como padre de mi abuelo (7 generacion) Bartholome de
> Villalobos nacido en 1691 poco antes de la muerte de Juan.
> Juan se caso en 1684 con Beatriz Romo de Vivar Tiscareno (nacida 1668 en
> Lagos de Moreno) y murio Feb, 1, 1692
> Los padres de Beatriz fueron P.O. Romo de Vivar y Lorenza de Tiscareno.
> Sabes quien es P.O. o' que nombre significan esas letras? Habias visto a
> esta pareja antes?
>
> Creo que tengo la correcta informacion acerca de los padres de Bartholome
> de Villalobos (esposo de Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo) pero que piensas tu?
>
> Bueno Daniel, me gustaria tu opinion. Gracias por cualquier luz que puedas
> derramar en esta parejita.
>
> Cordialmente,
> Mercedes Gomez Villalobos
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino"
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:22 PM
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>
>
>
>> Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
>> quemencionaste
>> parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los
>> mismos a
>> lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
>> y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14
>> de
>> edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
>> Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos
>> encontrar
>> algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> From: fandemma@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
>>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>>>
>>> I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
>>> Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño.
>>> I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
>>>
>>> Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
>>> medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos
>>> Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de
>>> Rojas.
>>>
>>> Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
>>> 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
>>>
>>> Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván
>>> (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le
>>> llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la
>>> menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605
>>> (segundas nupcias).
>>> Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
>>> Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas
>>> (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de
>>> Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582),
>>> que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso
>>> Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6)
>>> Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván
>>> (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos:
>>> Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de
>>> Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de
>>> Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don
>>> José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña
>>> Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola
>>> (quizá
>>> hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599),
>>> mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr.
>>> 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo
>>> del 9-I-1608.
>>> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
>>>
>>> If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso
>>> that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it
>>> the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did
>>> Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
>>> baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An
>>> Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and
>>> Francisca that married Ana López.
>>>
>>> There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván
>>> y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su
>>> tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina
>>> Galván.
>>>
>>> That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
>>> 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been
>>> born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in
>>> México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't
>>> descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
>>>
>>> Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien
>>> una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
>>>
>>> Un saludo cordial, Armando
>>>
>>>
>>> This is in response to -
>>>
>>> Familia Galvan de Rojas
>>>
>>> By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
>>>
>>> Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo,
>>> Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
>>> mention this not sure why.
>>>
>>> I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
>>>
>>> 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
>>>
>>> his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
>>> Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de
>>> Rojas.
>>>
>>> This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
>>> Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y
>>> Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
>>>
>>> -Daniel
>>> Armando
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>
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Comment

Cuidado esa pagina ya tiene mas del ano y no he corregido bastante
cosas que ahora he econtrado. Utilizadlo como un base pero no como
cosa final ya que SI contiene errores.

Daniel

> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:26:42 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
>
> Discúlpenme por meterme a su conversación pero puedo decirte que Daniel
> tiene esa información en su página
> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=los-altos-reg…
> por lo que encuentro ahí mi 7o abuelo Tomás Villalobos era hermano de
> tu
> 7o abuelo Juan Villalobos quienes eran hijos de Salvador de Villalobos
> Macías Valadez y Francisca Martín del Campo y López de La Cruz. De ellos
> también desciende Celestino Villalobos. Hace falta encontrar la fecha que
> quedó la hacienda de La Mesa Redonda en manos de los Villalobos.
> Originalmente fue de Pedro de Anda.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> 2010/10/3 dougnmerci
>
> > Saludos Daniel:
> >
> > Ya nos habiamos comunicado en el pasado. Soy Villalobos22. Agradezco la
> > ayuda que siempre nos prestas en cuestiones dificiles.
> >
> > Acerca de Juan de Villalobos. Necesito tu ayuda. Mencionas a dos Juan de
> > Villalobos. Y yo tengo a uno en mi arbol. Donde cae este?
> >
> > Tengo a Juan como padre de mi abuelo (7 generacion) Bartholome de
> > Villalobos nacido en 1691 poco antes de la muerte de Juan.
> > Juan se caso en 1684 con Beatriz Romo de Vivar Tiscareno (nacida 1668 en
> > Lagos de Moreno) y murio Feb, 1, 1692
> > Los padres de Beatriz fueron P.O. Romo de Vivar y Lorenza de Tiscareno.
> > Sabes quien es P.O. o' que nombre significan esas letras? Habias visto a
> > esta pareja antes?
> >
> > Creo que tengo la correcta informacion acerca de los padres de Bartholome
> > de Villalobos (esposo de Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo) pero que piensas tu?
> >
> > Bueno Daniel, me gustaria tu opinion. Gracias por cualquier luz que puedas
> > derramar en esta parejita.
> >
> > Cordialmente,
> > Mercedes Gomez Villalobos
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino"
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:22 PM
> > To: "Patty Hoyos"
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
> >> quemencionaste
> >> parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los
> >> mismos a
> >> lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
> >> y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a 14
> >> de
> >> edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los mismos.
> >> Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion. Necesitamos
> >> encontrar
> >> algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
> >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >>>
> >>> I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
> >>> Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño.
> >>> I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
> >>>
> >>> Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
> >>> medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de Villalobos
> >>> Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván de
> >>> Rojas.
> >>>
> >>> Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
> >>> 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
> >>>
> >>> Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando Galván
> >>> (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se le
> >>> llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan Rico, la
> >>> menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el 12-IX-1605
> >>> (segundas nupcias).
> >>> Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
> >>> Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de Rojas
> >>> (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina de
> >>> Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván (c.1582),
> >>> que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584; Alonso
> >>> Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6)
> >>> Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel Galván
> >>> (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612; padrinos:
> >>> Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena, hija de
> >>> Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel de
> >>> Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó con don
> >>> José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman "doña
> >>> Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de Espínola
> >>> (quizá
> >>> hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el 4-IX-1599),
> >>> mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico" (cfr.
> >>> 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con codicilo
> >>> del 9-I-1608.
> >>> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
> >>>
> >>> If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the Alonso
> >>> that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo? Is it
> >>> the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or did
> >>> Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
> >>> baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa 1590. An
> >>> Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando and
> >>> Francisca that married Ana López.
> >>>
> >>> There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso Galván
> >>> y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue su
> >>> tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y Catalina
> >>> Galván.
> >>>
> >>> That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
> >>> 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have been
> >>> born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván arrived in
> >>> México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso doesn't
> >>> descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
> >>>
> >>> Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a alguien
> >>> una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
> >>>
> >>> Un saludo cordial, Armando
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is in response to -
> >>>
> >>> Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >>>
> >>> By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
> >>>
> >>> Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in Penjamo,
> >>> Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
> >>> mention this not sure why.
> >>>
> >>> I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
> >>>
> >>> 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
> >>>
> >>> his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
> >>> Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan de
> >>> Rojas.
> >>>
> >>> This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
> >>> Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana Lopez y
> >>> Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
> >>>
> >>> -Daniel
> >>> Armando
> >>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >>>
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> >>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>
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Comment

Siempre ha averiguado lo que encontraba por otros medios especialmente por
lo que hay en Geneanet del genealogista profesional Javier Sanchiz tambien
de Francisco Martín Lara y de vez en cuando Salvador Cabral y Guillermo
Tovar de Teresa y algunos otros medios cuando no encuentro la información en
Pilot.

Armando

2010/10/4 Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino

>
> Cuidado esa pagina ya tiene mas del ano y no he corregido bastante
> cosas que ahora he econtrado. Utilizadlo como un base pero no como
> cosa final ya que SI contiene errores.
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:26:42 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> >
> > Discúlpenme por meterme a su conversación pero puedo decirte que Daniel
> > tiene esa información en su página
> >
> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=los-altos-reg…
> <
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=los…
> >y
> > por lo que encuentro ahí mi 7o abuelo Tomás Villalobos era hermano de
> > tu
> > 7o abuelo Juan Villalobos quienes eran hijos de Salvador de Villalobos
> > Macías Valadez y Francisca Martín del Campo y López de La Cruz. De ellos
> > también desciende Celestino Villalobos. Hace falta encontrar la fecha que
> > quedó la hacienda de La Mesa Redonda en manos de los Villalobos.
> > Originalmente fue de Pedro de Anda.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> > 2010/10/3 dougnmerci
> >
> > > Saludos Daniel:
> > >
> > > Ya nos habiamos comunicado en el pasado. Soy Villalobos22. Agradezco la
> > > ayuda que siempre nos prestas en cuestiones dificiles.
> > >
> > > Acerca de Juan de Villalobos. Necesito tu ayuda. Mencionas a dos Juan
> de
> > > Villalobos. Y yo tengo a uno en mi arbol. Donde cae este?
> > >
> > > Tengo a Juan como padre de mi abuelo (7 generacion) Bartholome de
> > > Villalobos nacido en 1691 poco antes de la muerte de Juan.
> > > Juan se caso en 1684 con Beatriz Romo de Vivar Tiscareno (nacida 1668
> en
> > > Lagos de Moreno) y murio Feb, 1, 1692
> > > Los padres de Beatriz fueron P.O. Romo de Vivar y Lorenza de Tiscareno.
> > > Sabes quien es P.O. o' que nombre significan esas letras? Habias visto
> a
> > > esta pareja antes?
> > >
> > > Creo que tengo la correcta informacion acerca de los padres de
> Bartholome
> > > de Villalobos (esposo de Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo) pero que piensas
> tu?
> > >
> > > Bueno Daniel, me gustaria tu opinion. Gracias por cualquier luz que
> puedas
> > > derramar en esta parejita.
> > >
> > > Cordialmente,
> > > Mercedes Gomez Villalobos
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino"
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:22 PM
> > > To: "Patty Hoyos"
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ya se que los Villalobos no partenece al titulo del foro pero ya
> > >> quemencionaste
> > >> parece que si los dos Juan y dos Petronila o Petra o Petrona son los
> > >> mismos a
> > >> lo menos parece una vez que parece como Antonia Petrona en los 1740s
> > >> y dudo que Juan de Villalobos que deberia nacer ca. 1725 tuvo hijos a
> 14
> > >> de
> > >> edad. No he encontrado un matrimonio pero si parece que con los
> mismos.
> > >> Pero otra vez sin probacion de documentos es solo fabricacion.
> Necesitamos
> > >> encontrar
> > >> algun documento para ser seguro en esto.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >>> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > >>> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:40:03 -0700
> > >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Galvan de Rojas
> > >>>
> > >>> I recently learned that I descend from Alonso Galván de Rojas through
> > >>> Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas the wife of Juan de Villalobos
> Tiscareño.
> > >>> I found a website that mentions the origins of the Galván de Rojas.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hace poco aprendí que soy descendiente de Alonso Galván de Rojas por
> > >>> medio de Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas la esposa de Juan de
> Villalobos
> > >>> Tiscareño. Encontré una página que habla de el origen del los Galván
> de
> > >>> Rojas.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hernando Galván, criador de ganado de ovejas, nació en Galicia hacia
> > >>> 1550. Llegó a la Nueva España hacia 1570.
> > >>>
> > >>> Antes de casarse, tuvo por hijo, en una mujer soltera, a Hernando
> Galván
> > >>> (c.1573, que tuvo por hijo a Francisco el 29-VIII-1594; a su padre se
> le
> > >>> llama "Hernando Galván, el mozo"; la madrina fue la hija de Juan
> Rico, la
> > >>> menor: quizá Juana; Hernán Galván, el mozo, casó con Francisca el
> 12-IX-1605
> > >>> (segundas nupcias).
> > >>> Hernando Galván casó con una hija de Juan Rico de Rojas (Francisca de
> > >>> Espíndola; ver Rico de Rojas). Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Constanza de
> Rojas
> > >>> (c.1577), que caso con Gonzalo Zamorano el 25-VIII-1597, 2) Catalina
> de
> > >>> Espíndola (c.1579), que casó con Diego Ramírez Coy, 3) Juan Galván
> (c.1582),
> > >>> que casó con doña Magdalena de Castro, 4) Alonso Galván (c.1584;
> Alonso
> > >>> Galván y Ana López se casaron y velaron el 4-I-1608), 5) Hernando, 6)
> > >>> Cristóbal, 7) Diego (30-XI-1593, que debió morir de niño), 8) Miguel
> Galván
> > >>> (13-V-1596, aunque su partida está después de la del 15-II-1612;
> padrinos:
> > >>> Diego Ramírez y su mujer; fue padrino el 16-XII-1616 de Magdalena,
> hija de
> > >>> Gabriel Rico y María de Nava, y el 4-IX-1629 de Diego, hijo de Manuel
> de
> > >>> Guevara e Isabel Picón), y 9) doña Francisca de Espíndola, que casó
> con don
> > >>> José de Gaona y Aguirre, antes de 1629. A doña Francisca le llaman
> "doña
> > >>> Francisca Galvana" en la partida del 13-XI-1630. A Catalina de
> Espínola
> > >>> (quizá
> > >>> hija de Diego Ramírez Coy y Catalina de Espíndola, nacida el
> 4-IX-1599),
> > >>> mujer de Jorge de Villafuerte, también se le llama "Catalina Rico"
> (cfr.
> > >>> 20-V-1629 y 20-III-1632). Hernán Galván testó el 31-XII-1607 con
> codicilo
> > >>> del 9-I-1608.
> > >>> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/galvan.html
> > >>>
> > >>> If Alonso the son of Hernando married Ana López in 1608 who is the
> Alonso
> > >>> that fathers Juan b. 1612 and Alonso II b. 1622 with Juana Salcedo?
> Is it
> > >>> the same person and is Ana López and Juana Salcedo the same person or
> did
> > >>> Ana López die and therefore Alonso married Juana Salcedo? If Juan was
> > >>> baptized in 1612 then his father Alonso was born before 1600, circa
> 1590. An
> > >>> Alonso mentioned being born about that time is the son of Hernando
> and
> > >>> Francisca that married Ana López.
> > >>>
> > >>> There is however another Alonso from the same time period - Alonso
> Galván
> > >>> y su mujer tuvieron por hijo a Hernando el 24-XI-1603; el padrino fue
> su
> > >>> tío, Hernando Galván. Alonso era hijo de Tomás de Castelolón y
> Catalina
> > >>> Galván.
> > >>>
> > >>> That Alonso has to have been born at least 16 years or more prior to
> > >>> 1603. That means before 1587. His mother Catalina Galván had to have
> been
> > >>> born on or before 1571 which is one year after Hernando Galván
> arrived in
> > >>> México from Spain. Was she a sister of Hernando? If so that Alonso
> doesn't
> > >>> descend from Juan Rico de Rojas unless Tomás de Castelolón does.
> > >>>
> > >>> Can anyone help in finding the missing info?
> > >>>
> > >>> Quedo corto de tiempo para traducirlo a español. Si le interesa a
> alguien
> > >>> una traducción hazme saber y lo haré en cuanto me desocupo.
> > >>>
> > >>> Un saludo cordial, Armando
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> This is in response to -
> > >>>
> > >>> Familia Galvan de Rojas
> > >>>
> > >>> By mendezdelcamino - Posted on 20 August 2009
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello all, I found out that this alteno family who settled in
> Penjamo,
> > >>> Gto. originally came from Queretaro, MX. Mariano Gonzalez Leal doesnt
> > >>> mention this not sure why.
> > >>>
> > >>> I found don Alonso Galvan de Rojas II baptism
> > >>>
> > >>> 18 Nov 1622 in Queretaro, Queretaro, MX
> > >>>
> > >>> his brother Juan Galvan de Rojas 5 jan 1612 also in Queretaro.
> > >>> Have not found the 3rd brother Gonzalez Leal mentions, Pedro Galvan
> de
> > >>> Rojas.
> > >>>
> > >>> This family eventually made it to Los altos. Alonso II married twice,
> > >>> Luisa Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, aka Luisa de Rodas. and then to Ana
> Lopez y
> > >>> Ramirez aka, Ana de la Rivera, Ana de Liebano, Ana Rubio, Ana.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Daniel
> > >>> Armando
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Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Daniel,

Me llegó una copia del matrimonio de Franisco Galván y Petronila Villalobos. No sabia que ya estaba paleografiado y mencionado en este foro.

10 de Octubre de 1688
Petronila de Villalobos, esp. vezina de esta ? en la Hacienda del salto grande, hija lexitima de Cristóbal de Villalobos difunto, y Doña Nicolasa de Contreras; con Francisco Galván, hijo lexitimo de Hernando Galvan y Doña Juana Pérez de Ortega, esp. vezinos de la Villa de Leon, del Obispado de Mechoacán.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16928

Con eso parece que el Francisco Galván nacido en Lagos en 1660 no fue el mismo que casó con esta Petronila Villalobos porque en esa partida de bautismo dice -
Bauticé a Francsco español hijo legitimo de Alonso Galván de Rojas y de Luisa de Rodas echele el agua por estar en peligro fueron padrinos Alonso Moreno de Ortega y Doña Josepha de Villegas su madre nació a 16 de octrubre de de dicho año. Br. Alejo de Vidaurre

Supongo que Cristóbal Villalobos fue hijo de Tomás de Villalobos y Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas y la esposa fue Nicolasa Contreras Lomelín por lo que encuentro en http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/nobles.html que dice -
un sitio de ganado Mayor en la Jurisdicción de Teocaltiche en el río que llaman los Sauces, camino debajo de Michoacán, contiguo a otro mi sitio de los herederos de Thomas de Villalobos, el cual es mío propio y lo hube y compre de Doña Nicolasa Lomelín viuda de Don Cristóbal de Villalobos, y de Francisco Galván y de Doña Petronila de Villalobos su mujer (…) el cual linda por el oriente, norte y sur con tierras de dicho Antonio de Acosta y por el poniente con tierras del Bachiller Francisco Martín del Campo. Y con todas sus entradas y salidas, usos y costumbres, derechos y servidumbres, cuantas ha y tiene, y por derecho le deba pertenecer, y con la casa, ranchos, corrales y más que en el hubiere fabricado (…) en precio y cuantía de quinientos pesos de oro común en reales.(13)

Si tu o alguien mas tiene información sobre esas familias se lo agradecería mucho.

Saludos cordiales,
Armando

Familia Galvan de Rojas

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Hola don Armando,

Al respesto a su respuesta sobre los Galvan de Rojas. Encontre hace algunos
meses algunos datos que todavia no estan listo ser publicados sobre esta familia,
ya he probado la conexcion entre los Altos de Jalisco y los de Queretaro. Pero
hay confusion en los fines del siglo XVII, no he tenido tiempo en trabajar en esta linea.

Con este dato que ha propocionado dice que habia dos Francisco Galvan de Rojas
en la area de los Altos de Jalisco. Primer el que caso a la Sra. Petronila de Villalobos
y luego su primo tambien nombrado Francisco Galvan de Rojas bautizado el 26 de
octubre de 1660 en Santa Maria de los Lagos hijo de don Alonso Galvan de Rojas y
Luisa de Rodas o Ruvalcaba, casaron 2 de marzo de 1653 en Lagos de Moreno.

No he encontrado el matrimonio de don Cristobal de Villalobos y Nicolasa de Lomelin
pero aun el expediente que Ud refiero dice lo siguiente:

un sitio de ganado Mayor en la Jurisdicción de Teocaltiche en el río que llaman los Sauces,
camino debajo de Michoacán, contiguo a otro mi sitio de los herederos de Thomas de Villalobos,
el cual es mío propio y lo hube y compre de Doña Nicolasa Lomelín viuda de Don Cristóbal de
Villalobos, y de Francisco Galván y de Doña Petronila de Villalobos su mujer (…) el cual linda por
el oriente, norte y sur con tierras de dicho Antonio de Acosta y por el poniente con tierras del
Bachiller Francisco Martín del Campo. Y con todas sus entradas y salidas, usos y costumbres,
derechos y servidumbres, cuantas ha y tiene, y por derecho le deba pertenecer, y con la casa,
ranchos, corrales y más que en el hubiere fabricado (…) en precio y cuantía de quinientos pesos
de oro común en reales.(13)

Esto dice que Cristobal Villalobos quien caso Nicolasa de Lomelin debe ser el mismo quien se bautizo
en Aguascalientes 27 de marzo de 1641 en Aguascalientes, hijo de Thomas de Villalobos y Catarina
Macias Valadez donde tuvo su sitio de ganado en la jurisdiccion de Aguascalientes.

No se los origenes de la Nicolasa de Lomelin Contreras podia ser hija de Nicolas Perez y Jimenez Contreras y Maria de Lomelin,
hija de Carlo Lomellini, vezinos de Nochistlan. La problema es que era casada con Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
bautizado 19 de enero de 1643 en Jalostotilan hijo de Melchor Gonzalez de HErmosillo y Beatriz Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba.
Podia ser que Nicolasa de Lomelin Contreras caso dos veces, pero aun se necesita probar.

Si tuvo exito encontrar el matrimonio del hermano Francisco Galvan de Rojas, otro hijo de HErnando Galvan de Rojas y
Juana de Salcedo, originarios de Queretaro. Se llamaba Alfredo Antonio Galvan de Roxas casado con MAria Juana
de Salcedo el 23 de mayo de 1701 lo encontre en los matrimonios de Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato. Como
saben ciudades como Leon, Salamanca, Guanajuato, Ciudad MAnuel Doblado estan entre los de Queretaro y Los Altos
de Jalisco, en Guanajuato tambien vivian los Galvan de Rojas, como lo consta el matrimonio que Ud propociono
Hernando Galvan de Roxas y Juana Perez de Ortega vecinos de Leon, en el Obispado de Michoacan, aunque
Juana Perez de Ortega era de la villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, casados en Leon el 21 de abril de 1653
hija de Alonso Perez de Ortega y Maria de Xerez, vecinos de Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Tambien vengo de esta linea por otro hermano llamado Nicolas Galvan de Rojas, tambien utilizo el apellido
Rubio de Zepeda, aun desconozco el origen de dicho apellido pero era hijo de Hernando Galvan de rojas
y Juana Perez de Ortega caso a Catalina de Liebano, vecina de Ayo el Chico hija de Juan Ascencio de Leon y
Geronima de Liebano.

Podia pedirle por una copia del matrimonio que recibio, quisiera estudiarlo poco mas.

Daniel Méndez y Pérez de Camino

Alonso Galván

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Hola:

Hubo cuando menos dos primos con el nombre de Alonso Galván, uno hijo de Hernado Galván y otro de Tomás de Castellón. Los detalles están en mi entrada Testamento de Hernando Galván.

Hay una rama de la familia en Apaseo.

Saludos

Marcelina

Jose de Guzman y prado

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos forum,

does anyone know something about don jose de Guzman y prado?

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Dying poor

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Many people that were well off during their lifetime are recorded in their record of "defuncîon"as being poor. Life was tough and it was easy to go from doing alright to being poor, especially in old age. Many assets were often distributed before death occurred so then there is no need for a will and the "acta de defuncíon" will say "pobre".

Familia Guzmán y Prado

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Hola Danny:

Como no se cuando nació José, hice una busqueda más amplia y me resultó un familia en de Aguascalientes en Familysearch:

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPR-8D9 : 14 July 2015), Luis De Mendosa and Felipa De Gusman Y Prado, 20 Feb 1702; citing El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,823.

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPR-DMP : 14 July 2015), Melchor De Richarte and Ana De Gusman Prado, 20 Jan 1726; citing El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,825.

Son siete registros pero no se si te sirvan.

Saludos

Marcelina

guzman yprado

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Thank you Mr. Ricci and Marcelina. this is very helpful. but it still seems strange that someone name Don Jose de guzman y Prado was a exposito.

Danny C. Alonso

Exposito

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Dear Danny,

I am in agreement with you that this isn't a typical "exposito" case as a double surname is given. They probably knew who his parents were. Actually in many cases they knew who the parents were but they were kept secret. A great uncle of mine adopted a child who was labeled "exposito" but this great uncle knew who the parents were. A not to distant relative had an affair and fathered the child. My great uncle adopted the child without ever divulging that there was also a blood relationship between Him and his adopted child. He preferred that the circumstances of the affair be kept secret. I was never able to find out the identity of my aunt's biological father, just that he shared the same surname as my great uncle.

Many times the "exposito" child was a blood relative to the family that was adopting him/her, just like my aunts case.

Rick A. Ricci

Jose de Guzman y prado

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Hi Danny,

Don José de Guzmán y Prado is my 9th great grandfather, but, I'm not sure I completely understand your question, although, I think you're asking why is someone poor, who was abandoned as a child, being addressed with the honorific "don." Also, I know who you're referring to, but, for others, it's always helpful to give the spouse and the time frame.

A few things, first, I agree with Rick that life was tough during these times, many of these people were farmers, cattle ranchers, etc., so it wouldn't take much to lose your livelihood if your cattle or livestock became sick, or were attacked by other animals, or were stolen, or any number of other problems that come with raising livestock. Also, I agree that the compound surname is probably a clue to his parentage.

Second, not everyone addressed as don or doña had wealth or property, some were addressed as don or doña because of the positions they held in the community or because of who their ancestors were. Even today in Europe, many people from aristocratic families have little wealth or property, but, are still important members of society because of who their ancestors were.

Third, I'm not entirely sure of the origin of don José de Guzmán y Prado, but, I doubt he was really viewed as an abandoned child of unknown parents during his lifetime, in fact, I agree he probably knew exactly who his parents were. I think many of the people listed as hijos de padres no conocidos or expósitos probably did not know who their parents were, but, among those that were addressed as don or doña, or who used compound surnames of known prominent families, or who held high positions or ranks such as capitán like don José de Guzmán y Prado and his brother don Alonso de Guzmán y Prado, I think they probably were well aware of their actual origin, and, others probably were too. Among the more prominent families, the designation expósito and hijo de padres no conocidos seems to be used as a way to cover up some sort of scandal or illegitimacy. Although, I'm not sure that's what's going on here.

Daniel Mendez had a theory that don José de Guzmán y Prado and don Alonso de Guzmán y Prado were actually the children of don Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and doña Clara de Ayala, I don't remember all the reasons he gave, but, I do remember it made sense. I don't know what happened to my notes on this family, but, I do remember there is also some connection to Melchor de Guzmán who married Jacinta Gutiérrez de Valdivia, but, I don't remember what it is without my notes, although, I'm guessing Melchor and his wife probably appear in different records for the expósito Guzmán y Prado's as padrinos and such. It should be noted that Melchor de Guzmán's children and grandchildren also use the compuesto Guzmán y Prado, as well as, Ayala, so there probably is also a connection between Melchor de Guzman and don Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and doña Clara de Ayala.

Also, don Alonso de Guzmán y Prado had a daughter named doña Clara de Guzmán, who also went by doña Clara de Ayala, which definitely suggests a connection to don Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and doña Clara de Ayala. The only thing that doesn't make sense is, if don Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and doña Clara de Ayala are the parents of don Alonso and don José why aren't they acknowledged as such? Although, on the other hand, if they aren't related, why are the Guzmán y Prado children named after someone who they have no connection to? Also, since don José is left on the doorstep of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza, why didn't he assume the apellido of the family that raised him, Esparza? It's also not like the Guzmán y Prado brothers just assumed a random apellido, like de la Cruz, they assumed a compuesto used by other prominent citizens of Aguascalientes for a reason. So, are Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and Clara de Ayala the parents? Not sure, but, I would say they are probably related and may, in fact, be the ancestors of the Guzmán y Prado's. I think, but am not sure, that Francisco Pérez de Guzmán and Clara de Ayala began baptizing their children in the 1640s, and I would say the Guzmán y Prado's were born in the mid to late 1660s, probably towards the end of the childbearing years for Clara de Ayala, but, maybe, still possible. Also, Clara de Ayala died in June of 1669(no testo). She probably wasn't too old in 1669, so if she was the mother of the Guzmán y Prado's, maybe she was ill and that was the reason for giving up the children to be raised by Pedro Ruiz de Esparza. Another possibility is that Clara de Ayala is the grandmother of the Guzmán y Prado's, which would explain them naming children after her. The theory being that one of her children born in the 1640s became pregnant and, in order to prevent a scandal, was given up to be raised by someone else. Either way, if Francisco de Guzmán and Clara de Ayala are the parents or grandparents, something must've prevented them from raising the children themselves, since, they could've simply said the children were expósitos in the house of Francisco de Guzmán, so, perhaps they were ill, or didn't have the resources. Or, perhaps, there's no connection at all to the Guzmán y Prado's. But the fact that there's a Clara de Guzmán y Prado, aka, Clara de Ayala married to Baltasar de Aguilera, suggests otherwise.

Lastly, regarding the defunción of José de Guzmán y Prado, I'm not entirely sure he was poor. I've seen several instances where it says no testo for one spouse, and then, shortly after, when the other spouse dies, they will leave a very detailed testament. Plus, capitán José de Guzmán y Prado is listed as a merchant on several records, so, his livelihood didn't depend on crops or livestock. I've seen several documents on sigue.aguascalientes where he's buying and selling, mostly slaves, but, even that still shows he has some assets. Also, his wife doña Catalina de Mendoza, daughter of capitán Francisco de Mendoza and doña Magdalena de Villalobos brought a dowry to the marriage of 1000 pesos in property, clothes and one slave. And, when his father in law died he was named as Albaceas along with his brother in law, the priest, Joseph de Mendoza, so, he may have received something from the Will also.

The fact is, many of these ancestors clearly were trying to prevent certain information from coming to light. I'm not sure if they were trying to hide it from other family members, contemporaries, ecclesiastical authorities, or future generations. But, hopefully, once enough records are gathered a clearer picture will emerge of this family and we will be able to piece together their ancestry. I will try to find my notes, as well as, add additional children to Wikitree and maybe that will uncover additional findings.

Chris

jose de guzman y prado

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Thank you Chris and Mr. Ricci. This is extremely helpful. i didnt know any of this information. a lot of this is very interesting. I'll need to go through this more than once.

Danny C. Alonso

Guzman y Prado

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Guzman y Prado is not my line, but in my frustrating search for the root of the Ruelas/Sotomayor line I came across an entry a while back that may help you...or not.

In 1707 Francisco Lino de Guzman from Pinos desired to enter the priesthood. His parents were Capt. Alonso de Guzman de Prado and Polonia de Castaneda. Various witnesses stated that Alonso was the legitimate son of Capt. Francisco de Guzman y Prado and Clara de Ayala.

There are many relatives from religious orders mentioned, mainly on Polonia’s side. However, they did identify two cousins (primos hermanos) of Alonso:

Dr. D. Geronimo de Aguilar (deceased), Canonigo Magistral de la Cd de Guadalajara
Dr. D. Diego de Aguilar, Racionero de la Sta. Iglesia Catedral de Cd de Valladolid

You can see the full extraction in my Dropbox account. Click on MLM extractions (draft).doc. It is on page 120 of 139.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?or…

Below is a link to the original 19 Sep 1707 Aguascalientes entry in film 168697, Ordenes 1707-1736, Image 335 of 633. From the Ordenes films in the Guadalajara Diocese archives.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV94-XS?i=334&wc=3JWG-W3F%…

Guzman y Prado is an interesting line. That exposito element is challenging. Good luck. Hope these links work..and help.

Regards to all,
Mary Lou Montagna

Guzman y Prado

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Wow, Mary Lou this is amazing. This solves half of a huge mystery. I descend from both Alonso de Guzman y Prado and Joseph de Guzman y Prado, so this helps me out tremendously. Although, it also confuses me now even more. I've believed and have been told since I began researching three years ago that both were brothers. Even if there weren't other posts mentioning they were brothers, it still seemed obvious that they were, especially since they're the only two people that use the compuesto Guzman y Prado until their own children begin using it. Plus, they are relatively close in age. Joseph de Guzman y Prado even appears as the padrino to some of Alonso de Guzman y Prado's children. They even intermarried into the same families. So, now knowing that Alonso de Guzman y Prado is the son of Francisco de Guzman and Clara de Ayala, even though this does add more confusion, I think it definitely now suggests that Joseph de Guzman y Prado is a possible illegitimate child of one of the children of Francisco de Guzman and Clara de Ayala. Thanks so much Mary Lou for sharing this information. And, thanks for making the dropbox available to all of us.

Chris

Dropbox

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Very glad to share. Realize now that what I post in Dropbox does not allow the reader to search and find specific words. That is disappointing because it limits research of larger files. If you'll send me your email I'll be happy to provide you with copies of my Word documents. Thanks.

Mary Lou

where is san gregorio is chihuahua?

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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FS98-W8?i=160&wc=3J41-JWL%…

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San Gregorio

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Katy

In the 1930 census there is a hacienda named San Gregorio in the municipio of Allende, Chihuahua.

George Fulton

San Gregorio

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thanks for the prompt response, & i think i found her baptism there just now in the link below

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SL3-QD7?i=1019&wc=3J1R-W3…

San Gregorio

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http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29935593

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