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Francisco Campos (19 oct 1784 ) hijo de Antonio Casimiro Campos y de Francisca Eufracia Castañeda (26 ap 1742)..nieto de Manuel de Campos y Maria Antonia Luna y de Pedro de Castañeda y Juana de Escobedo ( éstos últimos por confirmar con acta de eufracia) Antonio Campos y Eufracia se casan en TepechitlAN EL 5 MAR 1764 M60081-8 film 445047
Pedro de Castañeda (6 may 1711) hijo de Fernando de Castañeda y Antonia de Cobarrubias
Leticia Reynoso

Hello Arturo,

There is no guarantee that you would be able to break through the wall with
a Y-DNA test even if you match another person. What it can do is tell you
if you have matches and if you do whether they have the same surname and it
provides you with their email address so you can ask them if they have a
tree if there isn't one on their FTDNA page. If you don't have any matches
at least you will know that the paternal line doesn't belong to any of the
ones that have tested so far. Many of them can be seen at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
and there are many others that haven't joined the project but can be seen
in other projects or in ysearch.org or SMGF.org where you can also upload
your results to try and find a match.

You would also be able to find out your haplogroup if you get the Y-DNA
test.

If you don't get the test you will never know if there is a Y-DNA match.

If you do decide to get a Y-DNA test you need to test at least 37 markers
because matches at 12 and 25 markers can be due to a common ancestor from
1,000 or more years ago. A close match at 67 markers should put the most
recent common ancestor within the past 500 years although in rare cases the
match can be from slightly further back in time.

You can also transfer your AncestryDNA raw data file to FTDNA for $39 and
see if there are autosomal DNA matches and see if they have a tree that
helps you. The transfer can be done at
https://www.familytreedna.com/AutosomalTransfer?

You can use a $15 coupon with any of the tests you purchase. The coupon
code is 15for15. I'm not sure if it can be used more than once for the same
account but just in case try ordering the tests separately if you do decide
to get the tests.

You can also try and find autosomal DNA matches by creating an account at
www.Gedmatch.com and upload your AncestryDNA raw file there. A lot of
people from 23andme, FTDNA, and AncestryDNA have uploaded their files there.

The instructions for downloading the raw DNA file from AncestryDNA can be
seen http://dna.ancestry.com/atFAQ#raw-3

Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Armando

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:21 PM, wrote:

> Hello Armando, I am contemplating the Y-DNA, however, I have a question
> regarding the Y-DNA, according of what I have read on
> the subject, is that through the Y-DNA, it will discover a paternal
> ancestor, in my case the surname de Leon. I am willing to invest the
> necessary funds, if the test will provide me with the information for me
> to break through the wall, I have encountered while researching my
> grandfather Bartolo de Leon. I have been very successful with my maternal
> ancestry surnames of Garcia, Reyes,Bocanegra, Macias, Mendoza, Tiscareno
> Ruiz
> de Esparza, de Udabe, etc of Aguascalientes, the only results I have
> encountered of the de Leon surname is from various administrators of
> ANCESTRYDNA, however, so far the claim is that the MATCH is their wives,
> husbands, etc and that is as far as it goes. I wonder if by having the
> Y-DNA test done, I would enhance my research. Thanks, Arturo -- -- -- -- --

Hello Arturo,

I had sent this message out as an email but it didn't post to this thread. If the email ever posts here I apologize for the double post.

There is no guarantee that you would be able to break through the wall with a Y-DNA test even if you match another person. What it can do is tell you if you have matches and if you do whether they have the same surname and it provides you with their email address so you can ask them if they have a tree if there isn't one on their FTDNA page. If you don't have any matches at least you will know that the paternal line doesn't belong to any of the ones that have tested so far. Many of them can be seen at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti… and there are many others that haven't joined the project but can be seen in other projects or in ysearch.org or SMGF.org where you can also upload your results to try and find a match.

You would also be able to find out your haplogroup if you get the Y-DNA test.

If you don't get the test you will never know if there is a Y-DNA match.

If you do decide to get a Y-DNA test you need to test at least 37 markers because matches at 12 and 25 markers can be due to a common ancestor from 1,000 or more years ago. A close match at 67 markers should put the most recent common ancestor within the past 500 years although in rare cases the match can be from slightly further back in time.

You can also transfer your AncestryDNA raw data file to FTDNA for $39 and see if there are autosomal DNA matches and see if they have a tree that helps you. The transfer can be done at https://www.familytreedna.com/AutosomalTransfer?

You can use a $15 coupon with any of the tests you purchase. The coupon code is 15for15. I'm not sure if it can be used more than once for the same account but just in case try ordering the tests separately if you do decide to get the tests.

You can also try and find autosomal DNA matches by creating an account at www.Gedmatch.com and upload your AncestryDNA raw file there. A lot of people from 23andme, FTDNA, and AncestryDNA have uploaded their files there.

The instructions for downloading the raw DNA file from AncestryDNA can be seen http://dna.ancestry.com/atFAQ#raw-3

Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns about the DNA tests.

Armando

If that were true there would be a higher percentage of Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA that is more common among Jews than there actually is in Los Altos. Marriages between relatives happened all over the world including in the Basque Country and Ireland which are populations whose DNA is of the most distant to Jews. Marriages between relatives happened in Los Altos because people had to marry people that lived fairly close by because of lack of modern transportation and people want to stay close to friends and family. It was also because the españoles tried to marry other españoles in order to have a higher status in society.

You and the site you mentioned are trying to use coincidence and circumstantial evidence in lieu of factual or documented evidence. On this site we are supposed to try and be serious genealogists which means using documented evidence. If you have the documented evidence then many people would be very happy to see it.

Armando

The citation for Lope Ruis de Esparza, is in volume III, the entry is cited as #2.633.

The book has been digitized and is available from Family Search, but it appears you may have to go to a Family History Center to see it as the online catalog says it is "protected." Each entry has a reference to the source document in the Archivo General de Indias (for vol III, #2.633 in this case).

The introductory material explains the citations in the entries.

Thus you can cite the book as published noting the specific page and entry with the reference to the original source.

George Fulton

I have seen the name "Petra" as Petrolina and Petrona before with my relatives.

Ruben

I have never seen that as a nickname but only as its own proper name. Perhaps she died young and the family didn't talk about her? Oftentimes I find siblings of relatives they didn't know they had because their mothers didn't want to talk about the children they had lost.

Rosalinda

In your first pictures (on the testament) it seams they are talking about a place "Alonso de la Madera" or could it be a place owned by him you probably know better, they are selling the items and mention the price at the end, I couldn't make up what were they except by "una onza de puntilla negra, se deja en un peso" (second link). Los "borseguis" (on the first link) are if I am not mistaken boots.

As for the map the 21 is "Rancho de Matorales" (Matorrales) which are bushes, hope it helps a little.

RJ Quiralta

was there any records there from colotlan/huejucar area.

Yo quiero ir!!

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Sanchez-Castellanos
Solo como comentario el hijo que tuvieron en Tlaltenango se llamo Diego de Ugarte

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51312-10?cc=1804458&wc…

Y su padrino de bautizo fue Hernando de Haro y Cecilia Lopez, y si Lorenzo de Haro fue el padrino de bodas de Petronila, todo hace sospechar que los 3 eran hermanos (aun no hay pruebas)

Ademas de Petra o Petronila de Haro, hubo en la misma epoca un Tal Juan de Bojorquez y su hija llamada Maria de Saucedo que tenia mucha relacion con Thomasina de Haro y Saucedo, ya que eran compadres por bautismo y tambien compadres por la boda de su hija Maria de Saucedo y curiosamente no hay descendencia en Tlaltenago ni indicios de que hayan vivido mucho tiempo en el lugar.

Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
arturo ramos
un cordial saludo

amigo aver si me puedes ayudar
estos son los datos que tengo de una linea de mi familia es la siguiente:

juan eligio de aro (n aprox 1738) y maria phelipa correa (aprox 1740)
hijos de esta pareja
1 rita quiteria aro correa (baut 20 may 1772) casada con juan leonicio robles de casas
matrimonio 30 de abril 1791 jerez zacatecas donde yo desciendo

2 decardia de aro n aprox 1766
3 antonio de aro n aprox 1768
4 maria micaela de aro correa baut 12 mayo 1770 jerez zac
5 maria guillerma del aro correa baut 15 feb 1774 jerez zac
6 petra nolasco aro correa baut 6 feb 1776 jerez zac}
7 juana maria eligia correa baut 15 mayo 1778 jerez zac
8 josef cresencia aro correa baut 25 abril 1780 jerez zac
9 maria francisca aro correa baut 19 marzo 1782
10 maria decideria aro correa baut 2 junio 1784 jerez zac
11 guadalupe de aro correa n aprox 1786
12 maria antonia del haro n aprox 1788
13 maria francisca de haro correa baut 25 mayo 1800 jerez zac (este ultimo pendiente)

no eh podido encontrar el matrimonio de juan eligio de aro y de maria phelipa correa
pero encontrer un matrimonio que podria ser el que ando buscando y dice lo siguiente:

juan antonio de aro sandoval y maria phelipa de jesus perez martinez
matrimonio 25 marzo 1761 en tlaltenango zacatecas
el originario del rancho laguna grande hijo lejitimo de nicolas de aro y maria efigenia sandoval ella hija lejitima de domingo peres y maria josefa martines

hijo encontrados hasta el momento:
1 juana getrudis aro peres baut 3 enero 1762 tlaltenango zacatecas
2 maria josephfa geronima aro peres baut 14 octubre 1764 tlaltenango zacatecas

espero y me puedas ayudar
te lo agradeceria mucho
buen dia
saludos

En realidad, son una incógnita.

En esta ocasión no daré respuestas, si no que haré preguntas, pues el tema es para mí de interés directo.

En Tlaltenango, Pedro de Bobadilla casó con Maria de Saucedo y Haro. ¿Existirá relación entre Maria y Hernando?

Hernando de Haro, primer marido de Cecilia López de Ayala, dice ser hijo de Hernando de Haro y Bocanegra. ¿Haro y Bocanegra?

Lo del nombre de Petronila de Haro me remite a Pedro Ruíz de Haro y Leonor de Arias, en Compostela, Nayarit (la primer Guadalajara), muy conocidos por los genealogistas de la antigua Nueva Galicia, pues una hija de estos se llamó Petronila, según lo dice Pedro en su testamento otorgado el 22 de febrero de 1560, casada con Gonzalo Morillo y en segundas nupcias con Fernando Costilla y Espinoza.
quienes son padrinos de Juana, hija de Juan deAvalos y Juana de Bracamonte, en Guadalajara, en 24 de enero de 1608. ¿Esas Petronila estarán relacionadas?

Pedro Ruíz de Haro, próximo a Nuño Beltrán, padre de Petronila tuvo dos hijos naturales: Baltazar y Juan Bautista Ruíz de Haro, en cuyo testamento les deja bienes.

Saludos

GTT

>
> Hi Rosa,
>
Long time no see. I am looking forward to seeing you and Jaime at the
meeting! I'm so glad you can attend.

Hola Maria,
Me acuerdo yo de ti. Hace tiempo que nos comunicamos por e-mail. Yo vivo en
Sacramento, CA y recuerdo que tu vives en Texas, no? Tal vez un dia tendré
el placer de conocerte en persona.

Maria Cortez (con zeta)

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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:05:38 +0000 (UTC)
> From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] NorCal Genealogy Meetings
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> Hi Maria!
> My husband Jaime and I will be there:) Thanks for all you do for all of us!
> Rosa
>
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> From: "Maria Cortes"
> To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:39:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] NorCal Genealogy Meetings
>
> Maria de donde eres? Yo me llamo Maria Cortez tanbien
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>
> Hi Laura,
>

There is a meeting coming up on January 17th in Sacramento. I will be
sending the agenda to the group shortly and you should receive the e-mail.
I corrected your e-mail address, which was bouncing previously because of a
typo.

You can also check our website where the meeting announcements are posted
at: http://www.nuevagalicia.org

I hope to see you on the 17th!

Maria Cortez

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> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:48:52 -0800 (PST)
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> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NorCal Genealogy Meetings
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> Hi,
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> Are there any meetings coming up? I'm afraid I'm not getting
> announcements.
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> Thanks,
> Laura
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Hello Alice,

It took me a while to find this information because it is buried in different websites.

B4'5 is found on the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) at http://www.phylotree.org/previous_builds.htm

According to the following site http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA_tests FTDNA is using Build 14 and the Genographic Project is using Build 13 or 14.

In the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) B2 is below (more recent than) B4'5. B2 is defined by mutations at 3547, 4977, 6473, 9950, and 11177 according to mtDNA tree Build 14. Since B2 is below B4'5 the Geno 2.0 test result is more accurate.

The people you see in Family Finder that have B2 have either had a $199.00 mtFull Sequence test or they have transferred their Geno 2.0 test results to FTDNA.

Saludos,

Armando

What you mark would be based on what group you relate to the most. I'm white on my father's side, Mexican on my mother's. Since my parents divorced when I was very young, and I never had contact with him or his family, I identify as Mexican, Chicana to be be exact. I do not feel white, tho physically I don't really look Mexican, and I could pass for ethnic white (Italian, etc.).

OTOH, I have, until recently, marked white for race, when ethnicity is a separate question. Some of my more radical friends mark Native American for race, and I've started doing that too. I figured that since I'm haplogroup B2 and Mexican culture is mainly Indian, that I'd start marking that for race.

Laura Gonzalez

Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez Hello Mr , Ms scompton I congratulate you for trying to find your roots . I went through the same process when I lived in USA for a short time .when I had to fill any document and they asked me my race I could not answer even though i knew that being Mexican is a nationality not a race they did not know it and ended by saying , race - other .

that's your choice. race is a social construct, hence why people don't define races such as 'white', 'black' etc. all the same.

i think familysearch has changed the names of their collection since i finished that index.

but here's the record you are looking for
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-46626-53?cc=1874591&wc…
and here's the tree
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-47286-63?cc=1874591&wc…

also here's the tree for felipe and maria de leon's marriage record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-45271-32?cc=1874591&wc…

I am looking at the column under "Que otro idioma o dialecto habla" and for one person it says, Castillan (?)It is not a term (as a Canadian), that I have found previously. Can anyone elaborate?Katrina Link

Jose Reynoso

Esther, from my recollections, at the other side of the river from Guadalajarita is La Cantera. Which are only a few houses, not sure if it qualified as a village...

What in the world are those two round things under the crown?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:59:45 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dibujo of Spanish Monarch
>
> Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is the same like in the current american dollar bill:
>
> http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vd63qp.jpg
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> The reference no. to look it up:
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> MP-ESTAMPAS,259
>
> http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Jose Antonio Michel I believe the city of Galveston Texas is named in honor of General Bernardo Galvez?