Arturo,

I uploaded a part of my assignment.  This is not revised yet.
As you will see the Number column is blank. What sequence are you
following?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Victor:
> 
> That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
> them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
> collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.
> 
> I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
> the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
> handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
> some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
> make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
> in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
> and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
> saw it next to women's names further down, I realized

I have noticed children taking on maternal names when land titles 
were associated with the maternal line... i.e. the child's maternal 
grandfather was a big landowner and so the child took on the name 
that went with the land (and prestige presumably).

Emilie, Tlaltenango is the main city in the valley that constitutes 
the "southern arm" of Zacatecas that is trapped between 
Aguascalientes and Jalisco.  It was the alcaldia for what is now 
Totatiche, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Mezquital del Oro, etc.

I have both Talamantes and Avilas interspersed in my genealogy, also 
from Tlaltenango.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> 
>     "The original founding families of Culver City, 
>     California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
>     Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group".
> 
> Yes Arturo,
> 
> There is a Talamantes from Taltenango (where is that? I can't find 
it in a map) in my husband's lines in

Victor:

That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.

I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
saw it next to women's names further down, I realized it was a 
surname and went back and changed them.

Can you upload what you have done as you finish chunks.  That way we 
can keep track of where people are and help in the decoding.  When 
you have another newer version, simply delete the existing one and

There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words that
I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.

Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
> see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
> the files section of this site.
> 
> Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> ahead and do so and just let us know.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> > 
> > I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> > instructions on how to do the transcription

I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
the files section of this site.

Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
ahead and do so and just let us know.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> 
> I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
Census.  
> It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> 
> Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are 
all 
> names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 
130, 
> so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can 
take 
> pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.
> 
> If there are others interested in doing transcription, the 
remainder 
> of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I 
will 
>

Ed/Angie:

Whatever the political status of the American Southwest was 
throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not indigenous in 
identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers in the area were 
not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist historians like to 
purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora, Chihuahua, 
Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding families of Culver City, 
California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group.

The following book is very well researched and provides a whole new 
insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of Los Angeles.  A 
very good read.

Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the Remaking of Its 
Mexican Past
by William Deverell

Review:

Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting ideas of race 
and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique perspective on