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These forum posts are from the old “Ranchos Archives” which was part of a Yahoo Groups system that operated between 2003-2006. This was a hybrid of electronic mailing lists and internet message boards. The files are “Read Only” and many of the users of the Yahoo Groups are not part of the new NuestrosRanchos membership, so keep this in mind when viewing these message posts and replies.

Answer to Mary Garana Allen





Mary Allen wrote:

I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with
relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to
you speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something
to say.

You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many older relatives have
passed in the short 3 years that I've been on this genealogy trail. If
I had the motivation that you have I would also have been on a jet
plane travelling to see these relatives before passed. Oral history is
king in my opinion. Keep asking away. But I see your situation and as
the elder person in your family (not to many opportunities to ask for
the oral history. . .yes thats why finding other branches is of key
importance). its great that you are "educating" yourself in "family" to
have some oral history/written history to pass on to the younger ones
that will one day be interested. Thank you and please do continue to
encourage us with your example.



And that brings me to another

Answers to Peggy Delgado





Peggy Delgado wrote:

Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
 
I have a really silly question.  Do you
members have the actual microfilms that you refer to in this message?
How is it that you can get them for such a
long period of time.  When I go to the FHC, I only get them for a
couple of weeks.  They come in from SLC, I look through them at the
center using their equipment, request copies of certain documents, then
they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?

I work as a volunteer at my FHC so what you do is pay $3.25 (plus a .25
notification fee that varies from FHC to FHC) for the first rental
which should be a minimum of 30 days and then you can renew again if
you need more time for another $3.25 and I am not sure about this but
thought that renewal was for 60 days more, but might only be for 30
days. . .and then if that film is truely a goldmine you can renew the
3rd time (another $3.25 for a grand total of $10) and it should become
an indefinite film (well at

Franciscan Covenant Records: was-Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

thanks Arturo for this information. It will be very interesting what
youfind out when you make your trip to these areas later. thanks again
for your work for the Ranchos group.



joseph



Arturo Ramos wrote:

Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the 
actual parish records of the San Luis parish.

However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives 
that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal 
records from the mid and late 1600s.  They may go back further than 
that.

I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very 
pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for 
indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical 
communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec 
section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc.

I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the 
modern times. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
  

Archivo General de la Nacion

Joseph,

I have already sent him an email telling him about Rosalinda's
interest in some documents from the Archivo General de la Nación.  I
will ask him next time if it is OK to have his contact information in
one of the private sections of the group.

Regarding your other question about service rates, he explained that
he usually finds out what type of document is requested before quoting
a price.  As you can understand it is not the same transcribing a XVI
century manuscript than a XVII century.  Other thing to consider is
the document's lenght.  All this applies where you know the exact
reference to the document you want, that is, the index numbers from
the AGN search engine.  If someone has just a vague idea about a
person, place or event and wants to find what information is available
that is whole different project.

And finally, in regard to Marge's question, I sent my payment by
"Dinero Express" of Banco Azteca, a service like Western Union. 
Although it is possible that there

Archivo General de la Nacion

How did you send his payment? Marge:)



On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:24 PM, v.h.villarreal wrote:


Rosalinda,



If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met

a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City

and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.



I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of

documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his

paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image

of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".



Victor



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Hi all--



Here's the main page for the Archivo:



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in



I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search  pages.



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic



If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search

name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo

Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is

NARA Border Crossing Records

Emilie,
My understanding is that NARA has not yet finished the filming of all 
the border crossing records (@Mexican border). They started with the 
smaller points of entry, leaving El Paso, TX for last. I think they 
hope to have filming completed by the end of 2006.
Have you seen the following site (explains the NARA plan)?:
www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
NOTE: border crossing records were created/kept 1903-1950; the first 
format of the records were based on records for ship manifests (records 
for 1903-1910)- this proved inefficient for folks entering on foot, and 
the format was revised and revised again over the years. I hope this 
information helps a bit. I, too, am waiting to see those El Paso 
records; my father crossed the border (age 4 yrs) at El Paso in 1916.

Have a good day - take care.

Natalie in VA






Archivo General de la Nacion

yes lets get his name to the group so if other care to use him (well
Victor maybe you can ask him first). . .maybe ask if your rate would
also apply to other group members? thanks joseph



lareina2@... wrote:

Victor--
 
That's great news, since I found a couple of documents that look
interesting.  I'm still searching, but could you email me his name and
what steps I need to take to pay him for his services (since I'm in
California)?


Thanks,
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----

From: "v.h.villarreal"

Sent: Oct 14, 2005 10:24 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Archivo General de la Nacion



Rosalinda,



If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met

a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City

and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.



I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of

documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his

pale

PAF 4 instructions


Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?


PAF 4.0 English Instructions

For an Ancestor Report
1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for
report.
2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...'
option.
3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books
tab.  The starting person will be the ancestor that
was selected from step 1.
4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio
button.
5. Choose the desired options or leave the default
options.
6. Select the 'Print to File' check box.
7. Select the Print button.

Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line
ancestor and then select the Modified register
(Descendancy) radio button

PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español

Para un Informe Antepasado

1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el
Informe.
2. Del Archivo menú, escoge 'Imprimir Informes...'
opción.

3. Del Informes y Cuadros panel, escoge Libros tab.

Help With Questions

Emilie:

I live just a few blocks from NARA's main building here in Washington 
DC.  If you give me your father's full information I can try and look 
him up when I am down there next.  I still have not found my 
grandfather's border crossing records either and the people at NARA 
are not very helpful... the records and films are not very easily 
useable and the films are horrible quality as well.  It really makes 
me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems, etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> To Michael Gonsalez:
> 
> Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below.  I had to 
laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in the 
early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers 
and sisters".  It made me feel so old.  I am trying to find an 
immigration record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 
through the border crossing at El Paso TX.  I would so much like to 
see

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Thank you, Maria.  I know, when my father registered me at birth he made two mistakes which I did not discover for many years.  He gave the wrong name and I was a whole day older!  I realize that my mom who tried to keep family records had several dates that did not agree and I guess the thing to do is to keep an open mind and look at the information available knowing that perhaps somewhere down the line it may clear up.  I have been searching family but it had not become the exciting thing it is since I came across Ranchos.  The group is so quick to help each other.  Now I hurry home from work to see what has happened while I was away!
Mary

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's
date of birth for the death certificate was