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Question and translation needed for marriage record of Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo?"

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Hello and Happy New Year!

I have a question: when someone is called "criollo" in colonial records it usually implies they are born in Mexico from two Spanish parents, correct?

Is this a hard rule? Why would someone be called both mestizo and criollo in the same record? Because he is the son of one parent who was born in Spain, perhaps?

Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo," probable, but unproven, son of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez (possibly Spanish) and Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza (noted as mestiza in multiple sources), both of Lagos. Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez married June 1, 1668 to Ana Burgeño, daughter of Ysidro de Araujo and Beatris Burgeño alias López, in Santa Maria de los Lagos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5RG-Y

My Spanish isn't proficient enough to understand the entire record - especially the notation in the margin. Would someone please look at it and translate or explain the record for me. This could be a game-changer for

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Published by familias_bajio – Sun, 2026-01-11 19:32 | Permalink

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I have only seen the term 'criollo' used to mean place of birth or origin and not used to signify caste. Of the records that include the term 'criollo' for a person it will also include the person's caste (español, mestizo, indio, mulato.

Saludos,

Austin Pérez

Published by mralvarez314 – Thu, 2026-01-08 16:13 | Permalink

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"...mestiso soltero i criollo de esta villa..."

In this instance, as well as in the other records on the same page, the writer used the word criollo to mean originario (autóctono o nativo de esta villa de Lagos), and not in the usual sense related to the castas colonial that one typically sees in these records.

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Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm a novice to colonial genealogy, and the learning curve is steep. Very appreciative of the assist.

Best,

Travis

Father/Baptism of Manuel de Lizalde-m 19 Feb 1697 at Cuquio (lived Apozol)

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One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".

The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9 

While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.

I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.

I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a

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Published by Don Animas – Sun, 2026-02-01 19:16 | Permalink

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I can’t help you the Lizalde line, but there is something that seems off when you look at the marriages of their daughter Catarina.

 

Is listing Catarine de Lizarde as padres no conocidos in her second marriage an intentional or unintentional error?

Is there a dispensa in the second marriage between Catarina de Lizarde and Jose de Carbajal? 

 

23 Jan 1718

Catarina de Lizarde hija legitima de Manuel de Lizarde y de Maria de Ruvalcaba.

Blas Riuz Nunez hijo legitimo de Diego Ruiz Nunez y de Ana Gonzalez.

 

13 Feb 1736

Catarina de Lizarde hija de padres no conocidos viuda de Blas Ruiz.

Jose de Carbajal hijo de padres no conocidos.

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Don,

Thanks for commenting on the Lizarde/Lizalde family, and the marriage descrepancies. 

I have not come across dispensas for either marriage that Catarina de Lizarde/Lizalde was involved with. I believe the 1736 marriage with Jose de Carabajal stated "diligencias" was necessary, but this could be marriage information, and not a dispensa. Regardless, I have not found dispensas or marriage information records for Catarina. With her 2nd marriage to Joseph de Carabajal, as a widow, parentage was not normally required to be stated. Perhaps listing her parentage was more of a clerical error, then an actual acknowlegment of lack of known parentage.

Here are a few possible reasons for one marriage being "more complete" then the other:

a. Often only one person, frequently the groom, provided the information for the marriage. If he did not know the names of his spouse’s parents, he may have stated they were unknown rather than admitting he did not know.

b. If the marriage was a second marriage for either party, the record might omit the parents' information to focus on the deceased spouse and the validity of the current marriage.

c. If a bride or groom did not appear in person, the information provided by a third party might be incomplete.

d. "Padres No Conocidos": This phrase was used to denote that the parents were not legally or socially acknowledged, regardless of whether the individual knew who they were. 

e. If a person was born out of wedlock, the father was often not listed, or if the mother was unknown or absent, both were omitted.

f. Parish practices changed.  Often a longtime priest, who knew these families well accepted the marriage information provided "as is". If a new priest was assigned to the parish, or the marriage was in a different location, the priest may have required actual paperwork that may no longer have been available, and if could not be provided, listed parentage as unknown. 

Regards,

Lee

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Published by Lee Ingram – Wed, 2025-12-24 16:35 | Permalink

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Wesley, 

I have the same brick wall with regard to Manuel Lizalde, and also have found nothing naming his father. The Manuel Lizalde family ties back to my Zermeno family, hence my interest.

A Juan Lopez de Lizalde married Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza on 25 Jan 1585 in Lagos de Moreno. 

This family branch appears to be the same noted in a 1791 land record which discusses an even older 26 August 1602 land record in an area close to present day  "Las Animas" (Current day Yahaulica jurisdiction). 

This Juan Lopez de Lizalde was noted as owning caballerias in the area, and was noted as a Calvary soldier. It is highly likely to be the same Juan Lopez de Lizalde that married in 1585.  Either way, the land record places the Lizalde family in Yahaulica very early on, and presents a good likelihood Manuel Lizalde descends in some manner through this family.

Link: 1791 Land Record Link

Lee

 

 

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Hi Lee,

I'm unfamiliar with Manuel, but our family is descended from this same Juan Lópes de Lizalde and his wife, Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza. Are there any credible sources that prove Juan's parentage? 

So far, nothing I've found is provable, but I'm a beginner to colonial era genealogy. 

Best,

Travis

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For Miguel Lopez de Lizalde and wife Leonor Aberruza, little has been uncovered in typical online genealogy records that are available for searching/viewing via FamilySearch, Ancestry, ..etc.  

Some older records (pre 1600) are only available in person at major historical/genealogical libraries, institutions, private collections (manuscripts).  Fortunately for those of us researching the Lopez de Elizalde families, the following works by some reputable genealogists/historians provide sufficient information to ascertain the lineage of the Lopez de Lizalde family who first appeared in the Lagos de Moreno (Jalisco), and Aguascalientes areas by the 1580's.  

Three credible sources come to mind: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, Jaime Holcombe, and Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

1st Source -  The following from the book: (by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) Retonos de Espana en La Nueva Galicia, Tomo (book) V. Vol. 2 Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983.  I have not obtained the book, but excerpts from the book are noted within some familysearch trees by other Lopez de Lizalde researchers. In Aguascalientes, Don Miguel Lopez de Elizalde provided info to the Mayor Francisco de Pareja y Rivera regarding his noble lineage.  The source is noted as a las Minas y Real de los Ramos document from 24 July 1620.   Pages 441-443 of the Retonos covers the elder Miguel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Leonor Aberruza) and son Juan Lopez de Elizalde family. The book is available for purchase at various book stores.

2nd Source - Jaime Holcombe, Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. The following from the website: Beyond Origins of NM families (website) based on a 1954 book "Origins of New Mexico Families, by Fray Angelico Chavez.  The following is noted with reference to Cristobal de Arellano:
https://groups.google.com/g/genealogia-mexico/c/j0AjjvVADXI
Summary by José Antonio Esquibel
Researchers: Jaime Holcombe (1941-1995, Mexico) and Mariano González Leal.
Source: Chávez, "New Mexico Roots, Ltd.": 116, DM 1698, Aug. 1 (no.2), Santa Fe; Mariano González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983), Charts 5 & 5b, and Vol. II: 328;  Private correspondence from Jaime Holcombe with John B. Colligan.
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Ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano:
The ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano (ONMF: 133), husband of Graciana Romero, was compiled by the prominent Mexican genealogist Jaime Holcombe. Holcombe located the baptismal record of Cristóbal de Arellano, baptized 3 May 1665, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, son of Nicolás de Arellano and Leonor Fernández Becerra. Unexplainably, when Cristóbal sought to marry Graciana Romero (born circa 1680, daughter of Capitán Francisco Romero and doña Francisca Ramírez de Salazar), he named his mother as Leonor Ruiz de Esparza. In the diligencia record for this couple dated 1 August 1698, Santa Fe, Cristóbal gave his age as twenty-four and his birthplace as Aguascalientes. At the time, he was a soldier of the Santa Fe Presidio.
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Jaime Holcombe was able to connect Leonor Fernández Becerra into the genealogical research of another prominent Mexican genealogist, Mariano González Leal, who had published the genealogy of Leonor's parents in a book entitled Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983). The combination of the research of these two genealogists produces a genealogy that extends to the mid-1500s in Nueva Galicia.
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Paternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation: Martín Navarro married with Petronila de Moctezuma, their daughter,
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2nd generation: María de Gabay married with Pedro Fernández de Vaulus, their son,
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3rd generation: Juan Fernández de Vaulus married with Leonor Becerra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra, married/veiled 12 July 1664, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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5th generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.
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Maternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation Toribio Hernández de Arellano married with doña Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, their daughter,
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2nd generation: doña Ana Sánchez de Mendoza married 21 January 1585, Santa María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia (Jalisco, Mexico), with Juan Becerra, their daughter,
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3rd generation: doña Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza married with don Juan López Elizalde y Aberruza, native of Tolosa, Navarra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Becerra married with Juan Fernández de Vaulus y Gabay, their daughter,
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5th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra married with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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6th  generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.

3rd source -  The following from the book: Genealogía de familias e historia del antiguo Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia En Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales. Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias  (Note: A large portion of this book is listed in our Files section under 'Reference Materials').
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Capitulo 81 (Page 236)
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Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originario de Tolusa, Navarra, fue hijo de Miguel Lopez de Elizalde y de Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza fue hija de Juan Becerra y de Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, esta ultima hija de Toribio Hernandez de Arellano y de Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza hija de Inigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quinonez, Marques de Mondejar y de Maria Laso de Mendoza, ambos con sus ascendencias documentadas.

En el archivo historico de aguascalientes se encuentra un documento que menciona a juan lopez de lizalde, hijo de Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, nieto de Miguel Lopez de Lizalde quien obtubo merced como primer poblador, quien vende a nicolas Valli (hijo de Diego Ballin (hijo de Geronimo Ballin y de Francisca de Herrera) y de Francisca de Esparza, esta ultima hija de Salvador de Esparza y Maria de Vielma), Archivo Historico de Aguascalientes, Caja 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.

Asi Mismo en los protocolos de Domingo Hernandez Cordero se encuentra el siguiente documento que menciana: Carta de Venta: "...como yo, Juan Lopez de Lizardi vecino y alcalde ordinario desta villa de Aguascalientes, otorgo que vendo a Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, vecino...unas casas que teno, en que al presente vivo, linde de unos solares de Nicolas Ramirez; asi mismo le vendo una estancia de ganado menor (438 hectareas), con las caballerias de tierra y demas a ello anexo y perteneciente, a media legua poco mas o menos desta villa, que llaman de la barranca, en el rrio del cuisillo.  Donde entra en el, el rrio que llaman morsenique....todo por 200 pesos...testigos: Juan Bautista Conde y Mateo Mazias y Juan de Alvarado, vecinos" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernandez Codero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).

El 25 de Enero de 1585 en Santa Maria de los Lagos casaron Juan Lopez y Leonor Bezehra. Del matrimonio de Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza y de Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza se han documento los siguientes ocho vastagos.

1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada.
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (Married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde 
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)

Rough English Translation:
Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originally from Tolosa, Navarre, was the son of Miguel Lopez de Elizalde and Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza was the daughter of Juan Becerra and Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, the latter being the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, daughter of Iñigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quiñones, Marquis of Mondejar, and Maria Laso de Mendoza, both with documented ancestry.

In the historical archive of Aguascalientes, there is a document that mentions Juan Lopez de Lizalde, son of Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, grandson of Miguel Lopez de Lizalde, who received a land grant as one of the first settlers, and who sells to Nicolas Valli (son of Diego Ballin (son of Geronimo Ballin and Francisca de Herrera) and Francisca de Esparza, the latter being the daughter of Salvador de Esparza and Maria de Vielma), Aguascalientes Historical Archive, Box 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.

Likewise, in the protocols of Domingo Hernandez Cordero, the following document is found: Bill of Sale: "...I, Juan Lopez de Lizardi, resident and ordinary mayor of this town of Aguascalientes, declare that I sell to Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, resident... some houses that I own, in which I currently live, bordering some plots of land belonging to Nicolas Ramirez; I also sell him a ranch for small livestock (438 hectares), with the corresponding land and everything else annexed and belonging to it, about half a league from this town, which is called La Barranca, on the Cuisillo River. Where the river called Morsenique flows into it... all for 200 pesos... witnesses: Juan Bautista Conde, Mateo Mazias, and Juan de Alvarado, residents" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, The Protocols of Rodrigo Hernandez Cordero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).

On January 25, 1585, Juan Lopez and Leonor Bezehra were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos. The following eight children of Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza have been documented:

1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada)
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2025-12-23 22:22 | Permalink

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There is a Catalina Carvajal (Garbaxal) Rivera (Ribera) from that time frame which may be worth investigating. She is the daughter of Francisco Carvajal and Cathalina Ribera

Birth Name
Catalina Carvajal Rivera
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New book/De nobleza inmemorial

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I have completed my fourth book, titled De Nobleza Inmemorial, which documents families of proven nobility from Nueva Galicia and New Spain. The work consists of eleven chapters and eight essays on the subject of hidalguía, and will feature a prologue by my friend Jorge Barba Gómez, author of several books of genealogy.

The book will first be available in Spanish on Amazon, with an English edition to follow.

Chapters:

  1. Los Condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América: La rama michoacana de los Gómez Fraile.
  2. El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León.
  3. Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda.
  4. Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano.
  5. Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el nuevo mundo.
  6. Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz al nuevo mundo.
  7. Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del primer imperio mexicano.
  8. Una poderosa unión: los Villavicencio y los Colmenares.
  9. Los Grijalba en la provincia de Colima.
  10. Los Sotelo
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Published by ERojano27 – Fri, 2026-05-15 19:37 | Permalink

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Erik,

That is very cool, will definitely check it out.

Thank you,

Edward

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Mon, 2026-04-20 19:38 | Permalink

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Great news, Erik! I will surely order a copy!

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Mr. Erick Reynoso, congratulations for your great work on the book, reading it has been thrilling and exquisite, besides the great quality of the print and the book itself, the information that you share has been really interesting in many dimensions. I hope we are yet to see many of your wonderful publications. Best regards.

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Hello Erik,

I am really looking forward to your latest book.  I have looked for it online, but I haven’t been able to find it. Please let us know when it is available to buy.

Thanks again for your excellent work,

Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Rick:

Thank you very much. The book is available on Amazon. I expanded it more so the content is the following:

1

Ontología de la nobleza y la hidalguía

2

La reconfiguración de la élite en Nueva España

3

El control del occidente novohispano: Nueva Galicia y Michoacán

4

El análisis técnico de la probanza

5

La ambigüedad de la nobleza: Orfandad probatoria en los linajes de alto perfil

6

Los condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América

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El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León 

8

Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda

9

Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano: Los Navarro

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Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el Nuevo Mundo

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Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz a la Nueva Galicia

12

Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del Primer Imperio Mexicano

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Un digno enlace: Los Villavicencio y los Colmenares

14

Los Grijalba en la Provincia de Colima

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Los Sotelo: Nobleza zamorana en la Nuevo Mundo

16

El linaje de los Pardo de Lago en la Nueva España

17

Antiguos Linajes y Nuevos Horizontes: La presencia de los Solares de Tejada, Valdeosera y la Divisa del Solar de la Piscina en la Nueva Galicia

18

Los parientes del Marqués del Valle: Los de Ávalos Saavedra 

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La nobleza militar de Japón en la Nueva Galicia

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Los Núñez de Soto y los Pantoja: Nobleza Extremeña en La Conquista

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El rompecabezas genealógico: descifrando la sangre del Dr. Ignacio Fernández de Córdova

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La controvertida ascendencia de Juan de Portugal

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Los González Carrillo en Michoacán

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Los Ponce y Somoza desde Monforte de Lemos

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Buscando la verdad: el licenciado Diego Téllez Girón, los Machicao y Marcos Alonso de la Garza

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Los Rentería y los Mújica: los vascos en la empresa indiana

27

El rastro de los Lomelín en Nueva España

28

Cortés y Alvarado: Conquistadores de Nobleza Inmemorial

 

Inmemorial 2.0: Ética y memoria en la Era de la Inteligencia
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Congratulations Erik on your latest book. I look forward to reading it.   If I were to pick the three lineages that I am looking forward to the most is (1) Lomeli (2) Nuñez de Soto and Pantoja, and (3) your research on Juan de Portugal. 

Thanks again,

Rick

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On the possible origins of Isabel de Mendoza, wife of Toribio Hernández de Arellano

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Following the hypothesis that Isabel de Mendoza, wife of Toribio Hernández de Arellano, was a native (chichimeca?), I would like to leave this note for the benefit of future research. 

The proposition of a native origin for Isabel de Mendoza is not new, it predates the publication of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. This possibility was suggested by Mariano González-Leal during a private dinner at his house, years before Retoños was published. It is crucial to emphasize that this remains a speculative theory and no proof has been found. It is based on the following:

  1. Strategic. A marital alliance between a spaniard like the mayor Toribio Hernández de Arellano and an indigenous woman, particularly one of cacique lineage, would have been a strategic asset in the region of Santa María de los Lagos. This area was situated on a volatile frontier (frontera de chichimecas), and such unions could have been a method of securing alliances with indios amigos or indios de paz, thereby
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Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2025-12-26 03:00 | Permalink

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Hello Eric,

I too have wondered about the document that people have said exists that identifies Diego Hurtado de Mendoza as a relative of the Viceroy and father of Isabel Mendoza. This Diego Hurtado de Mendoza came over as criado of the Bishop. He was single when he came over, and the question remains on whether he traveled back and forth from Spain, or if he just stayed in Mexico after his first trip.  I believe he made more than one trip as the date of birth of Isabel is given by most genealogists as mid to late 1530’s.  If he really is her father then he would have had to come to Mexico earlier than his trip to Mexico in the early 1550’s. Because this Diego is connected to the viceroy, I believe that he worked first for him and that is why he most likely made more than one trip between Spain and Mexico. If he traveled  back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean as representative of the Viceroy and the Bishop, then that could possibly explain why there is not much written about his life in Mexico.

And this Diego Hurtado de Mendoza is a cousin of the Ruy Diaz de Mendoza that is an ancestor of many people in New Mexico. Another cousin traveled to South America and left many descendants there. While working on both separate projects on identifying their ancestry the projects converged, with me first discovering Ruy’s true parents and grandparents, and then discovering that Diego Hurtado de Mendoza is in that close family tree.

The actual details of their ancestry will take pages.   Please let me know if you can get access to that document, as I have asked for that specific document for over two decades, but no one has given details on where to find it.

The evidence that I have is only for Diego Hurtado de Mendoza’s ancestry, the Diego that was a criado of the bishop.   I don’t have the document that states that he is Isabel’s father so I can’t study it to find out what it actually says.  So until we can get a hold of that document we are left wondering.

Merry Christmas,

Rick A. Ricci

Source: my book, Mygenes2000

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2025-12-01 13:19 | Permalink

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I would like to clarify my statement.   Isabel de Mendoza was born in what is now Mexico, but she wasn’t full blooded native.  The Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that was identified as her father came over from Spain.   Diego was single when he came over and little is known about him except who he came over with and who he worked for.  I don’t have proof that he was her father, but he is the Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that a document said was her father. The clues that I still need to follow come from his employer. I am seeking out records that may reveal a little more about his time in Mexico. I do know Diego’s ancestry and he is closely related to other Mendoza’s that came over, both in Mexico and South America. It is clear that Isabel’s mother was native or a mestiza.  I do not know the identity of Isabel’s mother.

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you, Tristán and Rick, for your comments.

I hope we, or someone in the future, will eventually find documentation to prove those hypotheses. Researcher Rick Rodriguez posted an interesting comment on Isabel de Mendoza's Familysearch profile, which notes: "Isabel de Mendoza fue de india o mestiza. Esto se deduce porque varios de sus descendientes directos maternos resultaron con haplogrupo indígena." I hope Rick Rodriguez, if he is part of this group, can share more about his interesting finding.

I also have a question, Rick. What document proves that Diego Hurtado de Mendoza is the father of Isabel? And if he did have a daughter named Isabel, how does that connect her specifically to Santa María de los Lagos and to Toribio Hernández de Arellano? This would help clarify that the Isabel in question is not someone else with the same name.

Best regards,

Erik.

Published by trdiazdeleon – Mon, 2025-12-01 03:55 | Permalink

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Thank you Erik for sharing this interesting theory. 

Hoping to hear more on this research. I have also been following with great interest your recent thread on Toribio Hernández de Arellano and the possible connection to the Hernández family from Salamanca. No doubt that further evidence will emerge to confirm this association. 

Best regards, 

Tristán Díaz de León

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Revisiting Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano

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Greetings,

A recent forum topic (separate thread) that was sorting out the various Christoval Lozano's prompted me to revisit the parentage of Juana Lozano, who was married to Diego Reynoso y Renteria.

Christoval Reynoso y Renteria was a son of Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano.  Christoval Reynoso y Renteria did leave marriage information in both his marriages, the first in 1735 (to Gertrudis Flores de la Torre, and the last in 1741 (to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava).  

In his 1741 marriage to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava he was noted as the widow of Gertrudis Flores de la Torre. It was also noted in this record that he was the son of Diego de Reynoso and Juana Lozano. The 1741 marriage information record (Mezquital del Oro) provided the relations between earlier Rubalcava family members (Matias and Joseph Rubalcava),  which are all noted at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15212-19282-45?cc=1804458

Besides the 2nd marriage information listed

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Information on Miguel Munoz (parents or siblings)? before 1634

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Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez de Portugal married Feb 1st 1634.

They were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and had 3 chidren.

Diego Munoz b Sept 11 1634

Antonio Munoz b Aug 28 1636

Juan Munoz b Jul 22 1638

They were all born in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

I descend from Juan

 

Does anyone have any information about Miguel to find more of my paternal line?

Any assistance on places to check on this would be greatly appreciated.

It is interesting to note that there is extensive information on line showing that his wife Mariana Gomez de Portugal is a direct descendant of King Manual the 1st of Portugal, although illegitimate.

Thanks 

David Munoz
 

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Published by MunozLine – Tue, 2026-05-19 11:08 | Permalink

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Miguel's wife Mariana de Portugal had an aunt with the same name that married Bernardino

Published by familias_bajio – Wed, 2025-11-26 20:40 | Permalink

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Son Diego is named with the compound last name Muñoz Rubio in his marriage with Josefa Martín de Bocanegra:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5T4-B?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 410 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

and also in his marriage with Mariana del Ángel (de los Ángeles), in which his father is named as Miguel Muñoz Rubio:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-8?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 440 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

The baptism of Mariana, daughter of Diego Muñoz and Josefa de Bocanegra, has the godparents as Francisco Bravo and María Rubio (Rubio Godínez):

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5BC-Q?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 306 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

María Rubio (Rubio Godínez) maternal grandparents are Pedro Hernández and María Rubio.

 

Saludos

Austin Pérez

 

 

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Published by MunozLine – Sun, 2025-11-30 06:27 | Permalink

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Austin 

First off I would like to thank you for looking into this for me.

Looking at the birth records for the the 3 boys Antonio, Diego and Juan, Who were born to Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez. There is no reference of the Rubio name attached to Miguel. However the baptism record for child of Diego and Josepha is in the right time period. Diego's parents were listed as Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez in his baptism, so I don't think Rubio is part of this family, or at least I have not been able to confirm yet. The search continues .

Thanks again

David M.

 

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Birth registration term "enero proxima pasado"

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Hello

I have seen the term "enero proxima pasado" on a birth registration. Date of registration is February in 1911, date of birth is 29 January. 

AI says the term indicates that the birth was in January of the year before (that would be in 1910). However, I am not sure AI is correct. Anyone else ever interpret this term/phrase?

The birth registration itself is from Guanajuato which is off-topic, but the issue is one that could show up in records from Jalisco and Zacatecas - which share a border with Guanajuato - and Aguascalientes. (One branch of the family in question - Araiza - may have come originally from Jalisco.) 

Best regards

Denise Fastrup

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Published by MoiSanchez – Fri, 2026-04-10 13:56 | Permalink

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la familia Araiza tiene sus inicios debidamente documentados  en CDMX, posteriormente se traslada a Zacatecas y Aguascalientes y de allí se diversifica a otras regiones; termino mi investigación en el norte de Guanajuato.

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Sun, 2025-11-16 11:06 | Permalink

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Hello Austin

Thank you for your quick response. I have a birth record for a baby born in 1910 (with the phrase enero proximo pasado) and a death record for a girl who died in May1911 at age 1 yr 1 month. Trying to see if could be the same individual. Bit of a mystery! Parents names are the same and the ages too.

Thanks again!

Denise

Published by familias_bajio – Sun, 2025-11-16 10:50 | Permalink

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Hello Denise,

The expression "próximo pasado" is used to refer to the immediately preceding day, week, month, or year. In your example the birth date would be 29 Jan 1911.

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

Antonio Cornejo Riojano

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Hello to everyone,

I have been researching Antonio Cornejo Riojano with the purpose to discover more information and get a better picture of this person, who several of us here descend from. I have received a lot of assistance in the past from Rick and Dibleet, who found his birth registration from 1658, (year listed as his birth but had not been able to find before) to an Alonso Cornejo and Francisca de Acosta. 

Ozumba. Religious Legitimation Records 1650–1664 | San Pedro Atzompa. Religious Marriage Records April 1662–February 1666

 

I will use this post to add any information I come across about Antonio, please feel free to add anything, so that we can uncover more information about him together.

I came across this record below of Antonio Cornejo today, which I think is very fascinating. Aside from the historical information it contains about landowners near the Jalos region in Jalisco, Antonio is mentioned several times throughout this source. The land record with "Antonio Cornejo Roxano

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Published by ERojano27 – Thu, 2025-11-06 11:21 | Permalink

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Hello all, 

Here is a very interesting record. On image 569 it states,  "en el puesto de Tecameca", Manuel, Nicolas and Salbador Cornejo are named as "hijos de Antonio Cornejo Roxano." The sons sign the document and sign as "Nycolas cornejo ramires, Manuel cornejo and Salbador cornejo Ramires."

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-131D-2?view=fullT…

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Published by ERojano27 – Wed, 2025-10-29 17:00 | Permalink

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I am just starting to scan through this record of Guadalajara. Land Records 1770 of which contains 610 images in total. Antonio Cornejo is in so many pages of this album. This will take a while to go through. I did locate another page with his signature, which is below.

Guadalajara. Land Records 1770

 

The below link, which is all part of the same Guadalajara. Land Records 1770, mentions Manuel Cornejo, his son and Antonio Cornejo, images 587 - 591. Image 591 has a map of land belonging to Cornejo.

Guadalajara. Land Records 1770

Thank you, 

Edward

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ORIGEN DE LOS LÓPEZ DE LA CRUZ DE SANTA OLALLA??!

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Hola prim@s,

Aquí las informaciones genealógicas del familiar y alguacil mayor del Santo Oficio, Domingo de Onís y Vela, y de su esposa, María Mancina, fechada el 11 oct 1684 en Llerena, minas de Sombrerete: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM4-J?cat=31792&…

María Mancina era de Tlaltenango y bisnieta de Miguel Rivera y Leonor Ortiz, de Guadalajara, esta última hija de Francisco López de la Cruz y Alfonsina de la Paz, naturales de Santa Olalla y vecinos de Guadalajara. Por eso se incluye la probanza de la familia López de la Cruz Haedo (o Ahedo), hecha en Toledo y en Vizcaya en 1616, y en nombre de los hermanos Diego, Alonso, Lorenzo, y Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo, y en nombre de Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo su sobrino, hijo de su hermano Francisco, ya difunto. Los cinco hermanos eran hijos de Juan de la Cruz, vecino de Santa Olalla: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W91B-D?cat=31792&…

Se describe cómo su abuelo

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Thu, 2025-10-30 12:21 | Permalink

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These are records relevant to Bachiller Francisco Lopez de la Cruz, son of Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Alfonsina de la Paz. He was the cura beneficiado del partido de Tlaltenango. His name is seen in various records - in the almoneda de bienes of his mother, Alfonsina de la Paz: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69X3-W?i=303&cat=…, and as a witness for records regarding his siblings: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69FV-2?i=137&cat=…

Here’s his Informaciones, found at PARES. It’s dated 1600 in Guadalajara, with witness interviews. The document is in pristine condition and is easy to read; it establishes Francisco as son of Francisco cc Alfonsina, and how they were antiguos pobladores of Guadalajara, and gente honrada y principal etc: https://pares.mcu.es:443/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/344700

This one is dated 3 Mar 1603, and he appears to be requesting compensation for being beneficiado of Tlaltenango? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13GX-1?view=explo…

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Mon, 2025-10-27 16:51 | Permalink

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According to the probanza from 1616, the Lopez de la Cruz Haedo line would look like this:

    i.    Pedro de la Cruz, Señor de la Casa y Solar de Haedo (o Ahedo)
    ii.    Diego López de la Cruz cc ?
    iii.    Juan de la Cruz cc ?
    iv.    Francisco, Diego, Alonso, Lorenzo, Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo

With the information that I have, this would be Maria Mancina’s descent from Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Alfonsina de la Paz:

    i.    Juan de la Cruz cc Marina Álvarez
    ii.    Francisco López de la Cruz cc Alfonsina de la Paz
    iii.    Leonor Ortiz cc Miguel de Ribera
    iv.    Miguel de Ribera cc Catalina Gonzalez
    v.    Magdalena Ribera cc Gerónimo Mancina
    vi.    María Mancina cc Domingo de Onís y Vela

It would make sense that Francisco Lopez de la Cruz Haedo and Francisco Lopez de la Cruz cc Alfonsina de la Paz were the same person - why else would they include that probanza in the folder? But chronologically, there are some problems:

1. Francisco Lopez and Alfonsina de la Paz passed to Indies on 28 Apr 1561 with their children, Diego, Maria, and Leonor; already married and with three children, we can calculate - conservatively - that Francisco Lopez was at least 25 years-old in 1561, placing his birth before 1536. In turn, his father, Juan de la Cruz, would had to have been born before 1518 - contradicting what witnesses declared in the probanza, that Juan de la Cruz was born after his father, Diego Lopez de la Cruz, left Vizcaya in 1522.

But in the case of this probanza, as in many, the witnesses were either children or not yet born when the events described occurred (the oldest witness was 95 years-old, so he would’ve been 2 years-old in 1522), and their declarations were usually based on second-hand knowlege. So their accounts are not always 100% accurate. Maybe Diego Lopez de la Cruz was already married and had children before he left Vizcaya in 1522, and his family joined him later in Santa Olalla? We can only guess, since we yet have no documents to verify this.

2. According to the probanza, two of Juan de la Cruz’s sons were Diego and Lorenzo Lopez de la Cruz. As we’ve already established, Francisco Lopez was probably born before 1536. But when his supposed brother, Diego López de la Cruz, was a witness in 1621, he declared that he was over 46 years old (born before 1575), while his brother, Lorenzo, in the same document, said he was over 40 (born before 1581): https://pares.mcu.es:443/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/147507

While the ages given in these documents were clearly ballpark figures, one can always calculate that they were within ten years of the actual age. But even with that margin, at least 30 years would have passed between the births of Francisco and Diego, and 36 between those of Francisco and Lorenzo—their poor mother! Of course, this would be impossible; the only possible explanation is that Juan de la Cruz married twice, and that Francisco Lopez was the son of the first wife, and his brothers, sons of the second wife. But again, we have no documentation to verify this, and this is pure conjecture, since it's possible that Diego and Lorenzo were born much earlier than their statements suggest.

THE WIFE OF JUAN DE LA CRUZ

The name of the wife of Juan de la Cruz is not given in the probanza. When Francisco Lopez de la Cruz left Spain in April 1561, according to his entry in the libro de asientos, he was the son of Juan de la Cruz and Marina Alvarez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKH-Y9WV-3?i=448&cat=…

But according to this legal dispute, filed in Mexico City in March 1694, Francisco Lopez de la Cruz (cc Alfonsina de la Paz) and Diego Lopez de la Cruz (cc Bernardina de Estrada) were brothers, and sons of Juan de la Cruz and Maria Ana Vasquez, the sources were said to be the testamentos of both Francisco and Diego Lopez de la Cruz: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDN-W8MW?i=273&cat=36…

But I have doubts about the accuracy of this information, since Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Diego Lopez de la Cruz were not brothers, but father and son, as can be verified by several documents (including the 1631 limpieza of Diego’s daughter, Ana de la Paz, and that of her sons, Francisco and Geronimo Lopez de Guzman, both which are found below). 
So, regarding the name of Francisco Lopez’s mother, I’m more inclined to believe the libro de asientos from 1561, which I consider more reliable, since Francisco Lopez himself would have provided that information, while the other was done 133 years later and in Mexico City, and already shows a discrepancy regarding the relationships. Not to say that there wasn’t a Maria Ana Vasquez, since, as I’ve already pointed out, Juan de la Cruz might have married twice: Maria Ana Vasquez could have been the name of his second wife, no? Again, mere conjecture.

FRANCISCO LOPEZ DE LA CRUZ CC MARIA NÚÑEZ

Gabriel Lopez de Cruz married Ana de la Paz on 3 Feb 1608 in Guadalajara. In 1631, he was named familiar del Santo Oficio: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C7CG-Q?i=334&cat=…

Their son, Bachiller Francisco Lopez de Guzman, was named familiar that same year, and he and his brother, Geronimo, submited their informaciones: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C9NZ-J?i=112&cat=…

According to these informaciones, Gabriel Lopez was born in Santa Olalla, Toledo, and he was son of Geronimo Lopez de la Cruz and Lucia Jimenez de Guzman, and Ana de la Paz was born in Guadalajara, daughter of Diego Lopez de la Cruz and Bernardina de Estrada; Gabriel’s paternal grandparents were Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Maria Núñez, vecinos de Santa Olalla, and Ana de la Paz’s paternal grandparents were Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Alfonsina de la Paz. One might think that their grandfathers - both named Francisco Lopez de la Cruz, and both natives of Santa Olalla - were the same person, but they weren’t: according to the testimony of Luis Moreno de Monroy (who was married to Catalina Lopez de la Paz), Gabriel Lopez and Ana de la Paz were dispensed at 3o con 4o grado de consanguinidad: if they shared a grandfather, they’d have been dispensed at 2o grado igual. He doesn’t explain the relationship, but the most likely is that Francisco Lopez cc Maria Núñez was the brother of Juan de la Cruz, who was father of Francisco Lopez cc Alfonsina de la Paz. So the two Francisco’s would have been uncle and nephew: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C7CV-G?i=342&cat=…

     Tronco: Diego Lopez de la Cruz Haedo
           Juan de la Cruz-1-Franco Lopez de la Cruz
  Franco Lopez de la Cruz-2-Geronimo Lopez de la Cruz
Diego Lopez de la Cruz-3-Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz
Ana de la Paz-4-     -     -     -     -

But again, this is conjecture - the relationship could be through another line.

ALFONSINA DE LA PAZ

According to the libro de asientos entry from her 1561 journey to Nueva España, Alfonsina de la Paz was the daughter of Benito Lopez and Catalina Lopez. “De la Paz” is a valid surname, since I’ve seen records of other persons from Santa Olalla with the same surname. Ancestry and FamilySearch are insistent about trying to convince me that her mother, Catalina Lopez, was also called Catalina Goran, who was married to Juan Benito Lopez. Checking the source of that information, I see that it’s a Geneanet tree - unsourced, of course, other than some indexes for baptism records of children born to Juan Benito Lopez and Catalina Goran, residents of Villaverde de Medina, Valladolid. Why are these two couples - who lived in different provinces - believed to be the same persons? Where are the sources for this information? In my opinion, I think it’s a case of someone with an Ancestry or FamilySearch account which “hinted” of another couple with similar names, and somebody decided to merge the two, without verifying whether they were the same persons. And now, the Ancestry and FamilySearch algorhithms are sending that information into the ether, and everyone accepts it as so, because, “if everyone says it’s so, then it nust be so.” Just a reminder: just because a file comes from Geneanet or Ancestry or FamilySearch or GEDCOM does not necessarily mean that the information within is certain: make sure that there are sources - preferably primary (!!!).

ESCUDO DE ARMAS?

According to the informaciones of Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz, his family possessed and used an escudo de armas (seen on image 379: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C7CZ-X?i=378&cat=…). It’s unclear to whom the escudo was granted, only that it was used by Francisco Lopez de la Cruz (cc Maria Núñez) and his descendants. It’s described as, “… en campo blanco con una banda en medio, Partida en palo, y a la mano derecha dos calderas jironadas amarillas y coloradas, y al otro lado, una banda dorada atrechos y azul, y en medio, una cruz de Calatrava y orlada con cinco quinas.” Though I’m no expert when it comes to crests, the two cauldrons, checkered in yellow and red and containing snakes, are similar to those on the escudo of Santa Olalla, so this escudo was probably granted to the Santa Olalla branch of this family, rather than to the original family from Vizcaya. Francisco Lopez de la Cruz was said to have served as alcalde ordinario of Santa Olalla, and perhaps as familiar, but none of those offices would warrant an escudo; perhaps it was granted to Diego Lopez de la Cruz Haedo, for his services to the emperor? Hopefully someone with more knowlege of heraldry can some day tell us.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Mon, 2025-10-27 16:44 | Permalink

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For those who descend from Miguel de Ribera and Leonor Ortiz, here is his testamento: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-696T-5?i=366&cat=… and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69FL-3?i=136&cat=…

And here, Leonor Ortiz, on behalf of her minor children,  grants power to Geronimo Arias: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6961-G?i=386&cat=…

And here is Geronimo Arias, acting on their behalf: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69J6-M?i=42&cat=1…

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Mon, 2025-10-27 16:23 | Permalink

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Gracias Agustín, por registrar los datos de los testigos; estoy seguro de que serán útiles para quienes desciendan de esas personas. Y si lo leí correctamente, no pudieron encontrar el acta de bautismo de Catalina González, esposa de Miguel Ribera: según quienes realizaban las diligencias, los antiguos libros parroquiales se perdieron en una inundación y fueron arrastrados por las corrientes del río, lo que explica por qué no hay registros anteriores a 1626 en Tlaltenango (!!).
Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Published by familias_bajio – Mon, 2025-10-27 14:25 | Permalink

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Como siempre, muchas gracias por compartir estas valiosas y detalladas informaciones.

Anexo a la petición de Domingo de Onís y Vela se encuentra la información de limpieza de su esposa María Mancina que se hizo en el pueblo de Tlaltenango entre los meses de marzo y julio de 1685, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM9-3?cat=31792&….

Los testigos presentados fueron:

  1. El capitán Lucas Rubio Abarca, español, vecino del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 55 años de edad poco más o menos.
  2. Luis de Luna, español, vecino y natural [haber nacido] del partido de Tlaltenango, de 69 años de edad.
  3. Bartolomé de Luna, español, vecino y natural del partido de Tlaltenango, de 55 años de edad poco más o menos.
  4. Antonio de la O, español, vecino y natural del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 70 años de edad.
  5. Juan de Moreira, mulato libre, vecino de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango y natural del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 48 años de edad. Compadre de Jerónimo de Mancina y Magdalena de Rivera “…por haberle bautizado un hijo a este testigo…”
  6. José Morillo, mulato libre, vecino del partido de Tlaltenango, natural del pueblo de Colotlán de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango, de 70 años de edad.
  7. Pablo de Casas, español, vecino de San Andrés del Astillero de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango, de 67 años de edad.
  8. Nicolás Díaz, español, vecino y natural del partido de Tlaltenango, de 60 años de edad.
  9. André Martínez, español, vecino de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango, de 60 años de edad poco más o menos.
  10. Antonio Yáñez, mestizo, vecino del partido de Tlaltenango de más tiempo de 60 años y natural de la ciudad de Zacatecas, de edad de 80 años más o menos.
  11. Diego de Cisneros, mestizo, natural de la ciudad de Zacatecas y asistente en la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango más tiempo de 65 años, de 87 años de edad, poco más o menos.
  12. Nicolás Carrillo, español, natural de la villa de Jerez de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango, de 54 años de edad poco más o menos.

También contiene copias de los expedientes de bautismo de María de Mancina: Tlaltenango, 25 de mayo de 1657, padrino Julián Sánchez de la Madriz; y de su madre Magdalena de Rivera: Tlaltenango, 25 de junio [julio] 1632, padrinos Lorenzo de Miramontes y Catalina González, su mujer, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM9-J?cat=31792&i=716&lang=es

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Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia

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Good day. 

I hope everyone is well. I am interested in buying a set of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. 

Does anyone know where one can be found. 

Best regards,

Sandra

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Published by ALFONSO DE LA … – Wed, 2026-10-07 23:36 | Permalink

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Hola, Salvador. Espero que se encuentre muy bien.

Vi su comentario como rvs, donde mencionó haber adquirido Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, de Mariano González-Leal, y compartió el índice de familias. Si todavía tiene acceso al libro, ¿podría ayudarnos con fotografías legibles de las páginas del apartado «Torre-Ledesma y Palafox, de la» que traten a Clemente de la Torre/Ledesma y a su esposa Beatriz Ramírez o de Tavera, incluyendo las notas y referencias documentales de esas páginas?

En las ediciones de 2011/2021, el apartado se encuentra en el tomo VII, dentro del volumen Ramírez de Olivas–Zubieta; en ediciones anteriores la distribución puede ser distinta. Buscamos lo que diga sobre la ascendencia de Clemente y si menciona a Juan de Ledesma Mexía e Isabel/Ysabel González. Ese posible parentesco sigue sin comprobar y en investigación.

También agradeceríamos una fotografía del encabezado o entrada del índice y de los datos de la edición, con los números impresos de las páginas visibles, para poder citar correctamente. Si no conserva ese tomo, cualquier orientación sobre quién lo tenga nos sería muy útil.

Muchas gracias por su tiempo y por la ayuda que pueda brindarnos.
Alfonso de la Torre Robledo

Published by mralvarez314 – Tue, 2025-10-21 21:23 | Permalink

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So, my understanding is that it's not so easy to acquire a complete set of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia anymore. Hopefully you're successful.

In the mean time, try locating a set at a nearby library (Worldcat).

Also, Retoños was first published about 15 years ago or so, and since then numerous researchers here on Nuestros Ranchos, on Ancestry, on FamilySearch and on Wikitree have documented many of the families that were written about by Mariano González-Leal and his collaborators. Consider posting your brick wall ancestors here, or your questions, and I am positive the amazing Nuestros Ranchos community will gladly lend a hand.

Lots of luck to you.

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