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Jose,
I was wondering if you had seen the document that said the father was from Queretaro, Michoacan, because if it was written in Spanish it may have said something like "padres de" in that case they may be refering to the father being from Queretaro and the mother from Michoacan. I have seen that sometimes in documents and was confused until I found others that confirmed it. I am asking because it would have been quite normal during that time period before the revolution (1900-1915). There was a a great deal of movement between Guanajuato, Michoacan, & Queretaro rallying support and then people leaving one state to hide out in another. I have family lines that went back and forth between those states during that time period. Bartolo entering the US through Cuba is interesting. I know there were groups who recieved help from Cuba during the revolution.

Here is some information on a Je. Felipe Bartolo De Leon from El Pueblito, Queretaro which isn't really that far from Michoacan (80-100 miles). I don't know I guess you and Arturo can check it out and see what you think.

Baptism Jose Felipe Bartolo Son of Juan de Leon & Ma.
Vicenta Jimenez

San
Francisco Galileo, El Pueblito Queretaro, Mex

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20133-22551-52?cc=1881200…

Marriage for Juan de Leon & Ma. Vicenta Jimenez (parents of Jose Felipe Bartolo De Leon)

Mexico, Querétaro, Cathol...Church Records, 1590-1970 El Pueblito
San Francisco Galileo
Matrimonios 1873-1898Image of 599

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20132-37438-21?cc=1881200…

Also, I am researching a Magana line in Villa Morelos, Michoacan and have a great great great aunt named Feliciana Magana, but I don't know who she married or if she had any children. I'll look into it see if maybe by some chance it could be who you are looking for.

> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:14:20 +0100
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> Yeah, the man found the death record of Mercedes and it list her parents as Antonio Medina and Felicitas Magana. I looked them up on family search but I did not found any baptisms or marriage of them.
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> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:32:00 -0500
> From: Leni Rivera
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> Jose,
> I looked for both Fernando (1910) and Prodigios(1903) in the baptisms for Quer?ndaro and Zinap?cuaro. I also looked in the civil birth registry for Zinap?cuaro because at that time that is where Quer?ndaro registered their children. I did not find anything. Do you have any more info on Mercedes? Sometimes they would baptize children in the mother's home town especially if it was fairly close to where the family lived.
> L. Rivera
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> > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> > From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
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> > Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> > has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> > most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> > However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> > from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> > grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> > Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> > was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> > Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> > Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> > first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> > they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> > could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> > and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> > guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> > regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> > on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
> > you
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I have several lines in Aguascalientes, some of them might be related to the same ones you are researching: Flores Alatorre, Guerrero, González de Hermosillo, Frausto, Durán, Macías Valadés. Send me what you have and I can look it up, I might just have some document that can help.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, RJ

Hi Jenny

I have an Araujo on my family tree, from armadillo de los infantes SLP, living in the 1700s. Let me know if you wnat more info.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

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From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:12 AM
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Jose,
I looked for both Fernando (1910) and Prodigios(1903) in the baptisms for Queréndaro and Zinapécuaro. I also looked in the civil birth registry for Zinapécuaro because at that time that is where Queréndaro registered their children. I did not find anything. Do you have any more info on Mercedes? Sometimes they would baptize children in the mother's home town especially if it was fairly close to where the family lived.
L. Rivera

> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
>
> Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
> you

Jose,
I am researching one of my own lines about 40 minutes north of Queréndaro, Michoacan in Guanajuato. I am also helping someone research just east of Queréndaro, up in the mountains. It is a bueatiful area I used to live there. I could look around for you a little bit and send you the link if I find anything. Give me a couple days and I'll get back to you.
L. Rivera

> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
>
> Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
> you

It is Maria Eustaguia (Eustaquia)del Refugio de Avila. She's related to me through her mother.

Rosalinda

Jose..We have a common connection with the Pablo Carlos and Teresa Campos, along with Marciano Carlos who was married to my great grandmother, Amada Alba Medina, and mother to my grandmother, Enriqueta Medina Alva from Jerez,Zac. and Guanacevi, Durango. I just found Marciano Carlos death acta #134,May 22, 1914 in Guanacevi, Durango. Record found in Durango Civil Registrations, 1901-1936; Image # 1715 of 2774. Saludos, Raul Cristerna Luna

From: "josecarlos1944@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] updated my DE LEON & CARLOS Family Tree

My Tree is way too large for Nuestros Ranchos so I updated my DE LEON & CARLOS
Family Tree on RootsWeb. com  The Tree is under "jalisco families"

The web site is: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Joseph Carlos de Leon

Hi all, I just joined yesterday, and am new to this site, and would like to make an introduction. My name is Francisco Escobar, I am currently researching the surname Escobar (Escovar) and Ramirez (Ramires). I have worked backwards from the state of Michoacan, and have been able to find my earliest Escobar line in State of Jalisco. Felipe Escobar Married and have two children that I have been able to identify: Bruno Escobar and Maria Paula Escobar Ramires. I only have particular data on Maria Paula.

By the late 1800's, my ancestors migrated to Guanajuato and Michoacan, and the USA, but I still have family in Guadalajara, Jalisco, and perhaps other lines (Aguacalients, Jalisco, etc.) that I am not yet aware of.

She was born on 24 January 1805, San Juanico, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. She was baptized on 3 February 1805, Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, México. I suspect that her older brother Bruno was born either in Atotonilco El Alto, Ayo El Chico, Arandas, or maybe San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. I also assume that their parents were married anywhere in the above locations. My 85 yr old father was very helpful and still is with family history. He claims that the Escobar's came from Spain in the late 1790's. so They could have been married in Jalisco, from 1790 to 1805. i estimated Bruno's birth from 1800 to 1802, but with out actual good data, I have to go until before Maria Paula's baptismal.

Any help, tips, would be appreciated. I have other surnames that are of interest to this group, since my ancestors appear to have lived early on in Aguacalientes, and Jalisco.

Surnames are: AGUILAR, ALVARES, ALVAREZ, ANGEL, ARRANAGA, ASCENCIO, ASENCIO, AYALA, CANO, ENRIQUES, ENRIQUEZ, ESCOBAR, ESCOVAR, ESTRADA, FIGUEROA, FLORES, FONSECA, FRANCO, GALLARDO, GAMINO, GARCIA, GARNICA, GONZALES, GUSMAN, GUZMAN, HERNANDES, HERNANDEZ, JUAREZ, LEON, LOPES, LOPEZ, LUQUE, MAGAÑA, MARTIN, MEDRANO, MELGOZA, MERCED, MORALES, NAVARRO, ORNELAS, OROSCO, OROZCO, ORTIZ, PERES, PEREZ, RAMIRES, RAMIREZ, RENTERIA, RIZO, ROCHIN, RODRIGUES, RODRIGUEZ, ROJO, ROMERO, SALAZAR, SANCHES, SANCHEZ, SARATE, TABARES, TELLO, THELLO, TRILLO, TRIYO, TULE, VILLASEÑOR, ZARATE

As a payback to the good people who were pioneers at the mormon site, i took it upon myself when doing research, to enter ANY familiar ancestral surnames that I come across. My philosophy is that "they may" be related to my line somehow, if not, it would help others.

Thank you, and I do hope to be of some assistance to this group.

I have it a brick wall with ESCOBAR, RAMIREZ, ROMERO, MEDRANO and ZARATE to name a few.

Francisco Escobar

Jacqueline Villarreal-Emile

Jacqueline Villarreal-Emile
Hi. I m a mexican born in Tamaulipas researching for my mother s backgroung in Jalisco. Leal and Huerta are mostly my activity now. Nice to meet you and espero encontrar familia o por lo menos personas que hablen en español.

Hello Brandye,

I have a huge ancestry report ready for you. It is too long to post here. Email me or put your email address in a document in your folder. The messaging through the website does not always work.

Armando

I found the book to be very useful and worth the $70 that I paid for it in 2008. I still look up things in the book from time to time. If you are interested in a particular area, email me directly. I may or may not be able to send you scanned pages, depending on the volume of material requested.

Ed

It's at the Downtown LA Library and at UCLA.

If you go to a manuscript publisher, you might get it for a cheaper
price.

JOHN SCHMALjohnnypj@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jrodori
To: general
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:14 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Overview of the book "North Frontier of New
Spain"

The book "The North Frontier of New Spain" has caught my attention of
late. I have heard good things about it, but seeing the price tag ($90,
used hardcover) makes me consider whether to purchase or to read within
a local library. Before making my decision, I need to know exactly what
type of information is in the book. I especially need to know the level
of detail with which the southeast outskirts of Nueva Galicia are
covered. Suggestions on buying or reading are also appreciated.

Jesús Rodriguez Gamboa

It's at the Downtown LA Library and at UCLA.

If you go to a manuscript publisher, you might get it for a cheaper
price.

JOHN SCHMALjohnnypj@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jrodori
To: general
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:14 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Overview of the book "North Frontier of New
Spain"

The book "The North Frontier of New Spain" has caught my attention of
late. I have heard good things about it, but seeing the price tag ($90,
used hardcover) makes me consider whether to purchase or to read within
a local library. Before making my decision, I need to know exactly what
type of information is in the book. I especially need to know the level
of detail with which the southeast outskirts of Nueva Galicia are
covered. Suggestions on buying or reading are also appreciated.

Jesús Rodriguez Gamboa

Hi Laura,
Just wanted to let you know that you appear as a 5th cousin in my Familyfinder matches.  Let's compare info.
Thanks, Alice Bravo Blake

From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNAgedcom Files Help

Hi,
I need to download a Chromosome Browser file from http://www.dnagedcom.com/ through the Family Tree DNA link, for the Nueva Galicia DNA project, which I did.

However, when I open it, there's nothing there except some headers.  I thought there would be other info. 
What should I be seeing, and what am I doing wrong?  FYI, I use Firefox on a MacBook Pro.

Thanks, Laura Gonzalez

Welcome to the group Mia.  I didn’t have Nazario Ponce in my records, I’m
not sure how I missed him, but, you’re right about his grandparents. I descend
from them as well. Juan Nepomuceno Muñoz and Guadalupe Diaz, as well as,
Gregorio Ponce and Maria Gertrudis Rangel are my 6th Great
Grandparents. I’ll tell you what I know, starting with the Muñoz Gonzalez de
Hermosillo/Diaz de Leon line first.  
Juan Nepomuceno Muñoz and Guadalupe Diaz were married on 8
Jan 1803 in Aguascalientes. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11759-70281-65?cc=1502404&…
Juan Nepomuceno Muñoz (born Apr 1782) was the son of Joseph
Thomas Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza.  Guadalupe Diaz (born May 1785) was the
daughter of Vicente Diaz de Leon and Antonia de Medina.
Joseph Thomas Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Michaela de
Acosta y Pedroza were married 16 Aug 1769 in Aguascalientes.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
Joseph Thomas Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo (born Dec 1732) was
the son of Cayetano Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Agustina Gertrudis de
Guzman y Prado.  Michaela de Acosta y
Pedroza (born Abt. 1751) was the natural born daughter of Don Francisco de
Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza. She was buried on 11 Jan 1793. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w…
Cayetano Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Agustina Gertrudis
de Guzman y Prado were married on 22 Feb 1731 in Aguascalientes. Cayetano Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo (born Feb 1708) was
the son of Melchor Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Rangel. Agustina
Gertrudis de Guzman y Prado (born Sep 1706) was the daughter of Joseph de
Guzman y Prado and Catarina de Mendoza.
Melchor Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Rangel were
married on 27 Jan 1682 in Aguascalientes.                                                                                  
The parents of Melchor Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo are not
named in his marriage record. But, Maria Rangel is the daughter of Juan Tiscareño
and Isabel Romo de Vivar.  
Juan Tiscareño is the son of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza
Ruiz de Esparza. Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza is the daughter of Lope Ruiz de
Esparza and Ana Francisca de Gabay y Moctezuma.
Isabel Romo de Vivar is the daughter of Diego Romo de Vivar and
Maria Rangel.
 
Ponce/Martel/Rangel line
Gregorio Ponce and Maria Gertrudis Rangel were married in
Aguascalientes on 6 Feb 1796. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11759-70698-94?cc=1502404&…
Gregorio Ponce (born Abt. 1765) is the son of Miguel Ponce aka
Martel and Guadalupe de Medina. Maria Gertrudis Rangel (born 4 Jan 1777) is the
daughter of Phelipe Rangel and Dionicia Perez.
Miguel Ponce aka Martel and Guadalupe de Medina were married in
Aguascalientes on 1 May 1764.  Miguel
Ponce aka Martel (born Abt. 1728 is the son of Bartolome Martel and Juana
Manuela Lozano de Gardea.  Guadalupe de
Medina (born Abt. 1747) is the daughter of Francisco Xavier de Medina and
Francisca Bernales Delgado.
Bartolome Martel born Aug 1697 is the son of Miguel Martel and
Catalina Velasco de Anguiano.
Miguel Martel and Catalina Velasco de Anguiano were married 4 Nov
1696 in Aguascalientes.
Miguel Martel was the son of Miguel Martel and Mariana de Morales.
Miguel Martel and Mariana de Morales were married 28 Feb 1673.
Miguel Martel was the son of Hernando Martel and Beatriz de
Villegas aka Macias Valadez.  Hernando
Martel and Beatriz de Villegas (born Dec 1618) were married 22 Oct 1634.
Beatriz de Villegas was the daughter of Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa de
Villegas.
This is what I know. There may be others in the group that have
more information about these families.
Regards,
Christopher de Cuellar

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From: Mia Montemayor
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction of Mia

Hello All - my name is Mia Montemayor and I've only been doing research for a few weeks now. Using family search, I was able to locate several records of my ancestors, including my great great grandparents Jose Aurelio Ponce born in Aguascalientes on March 26th 1886 and Valentina Ramirez born May 21st 1880. Jose Aurelio Ponce's parents were Francisco Ponce and Maria del Refugio Lopez from Aguascalientes. And, Francisco's parents were Nazario Ponce and Paula Castañeda. I recently located the birth of Nazario Ponce, so, I know his paternal grandparents are Gregorio Ponce and Gertrude Rangel and his maternal grandparents are Nepoceno Munoz and Guadalupe Diaz and I was hoping to find out as much as I can about those two couples. Thank you for allowing me to be part of the group.

Mia

My folder: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/miamontemayor