Nuestros Ranchos Site

Emilie,

Nobody's email is being hacked. The from email address is being changed by spammers in order to make it look like the email is from someone you know. This is called spoofing. The password to a person's email account is not needed to spoof. It is the equivalent of putting a false return address on regular mail. However, it is likely that a computer that has those email addresses had a bot or a virus installed on their computer which then steals the email addresses from the infected computer and sends out the spam. You can read more about that by googling "email spoofing".

The problem with us not getting email notifications is most likely due to a server problem. Since they do not charge us for membership to this website I believe the webmaster volunteers his time. He probably tries to fix it more often than we notice.

Armando

You may get any answer from him either.

I messaged Arturo a few weeks ago and he hasn't bother to answer me either.

Jose Carlos de Leon

I don't want to speak for Joseph and Arturo, but I know Arturo will figure out what is going on, once he can. He's a busy man, so we'll just have to be patient until he can track down the problem. I noticed this problem as well, and for now, I've just been checking the website instead. It's not as convenient as receiving the emails, but this service is free and relies on Arturo's time, and like many busy people, he has obligations. I'm sure we will be back on track soon enough.

If anyone emails me or sends me a message through the group and I don't respond, I may not be getting your emails. I've noticed certain people's messages aren't being sent through-- who knows, this very message may get lost in the great beyond of the internet!

Just as a warning for members: if there is ever a link in a message, only open it IF you trust the writer or recognize it as a legitimate site-- too many email accounts are hacked, with the resulting Spam. When in doubt, don't click! I would not put myself at risk.

I apologize if my tone sounds curt; I don't mean it to be-- attribute it to the fact that I've been grading huge stacks of essays! :)

Rosalinda

Same problem here. I used to receive all new messages in my inbox, now it's only a couple. I started noticing this last time I posted a question on nuestros ranchos and I didn't see my message on my email. I got a response from another member, but I only found out until I looked at my original post on the website.

Steve in NC

Paul J. Gomez
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, alice wissing wrote:

> I am experiencing the same problem of not receiving very many e-mails. I had posted a question about Tlaltenango a couple of days ago and didn't see any responses. I thought perhaps the nature of the group had changed and people were not as helpful as they used to be. Then, I just checked the website and saw 4 people offered helpful comments. Thank you all who posted and I hope the problem gets fixed. I have a lot of questions these days regarding Zacatecas.

Paul J. Gomez
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, alice wissing wrote:

> I am experiencing the same problem of not receiving very many e-mails. I had posted a question about Tlaltenango a couple of days ago and didn't see any responses. I thought perhaps the nature of the group had changed and people were not as helpful as they used to be. Then, I just checked the website and saw 4 people offered helpful comments. Thank you all who posted and I hope the problem gets fixed. I have a lot of questions these days regarding Zacatecas.

Same here

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de alice
wissing
Enviado el: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Not Receiving Posts

I am experiencing the same problem of not receiving very many e-mails. I had
posted a question about Tlaltenango a couple of days ago and didn't see any
responses. I thought perhaps the nature of the group had changed and people
were not as helpful as they used to be. Then, I just checked the website and
saw 4 people offered helpful comments. Thank you all who posted and I hope
the problem gets fixed. I have a lot of questions these days regarding
Zacatecas.

Pat,

See below, highlighted in yellow what I believe it to be.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De Lissalde y Angela Mercado

In researching the offspring of Cristobal Mercado y Angela De Thorrez (6th ggparents) I located a marriage record for their daughter Angela Mercado.

Many of the words in this document are proving to be a challenge for me.  I would appreciate your help with the translation...

Catholic Church Records - Jalisco - Cuquio- San Felipe Matrimonios 1711-1762
Image 454 of 619 dated 08 Feb 1750...

Groom: Ygnacio Lopes de Lissalde, native and resident of Nochistlan, legitimate son of Joseph Lopez de Lissalde y Juana Carrillo (deceased).

Bride: Angela Mercado (the word/s after her name I can not "make-out,") Also a Spaniard, (asi mysmo espanola) native and resident of the village of Cuquio in the Pueblo de St. Judes (?), legitimate daughter of Cristobal de Mercado (deceased) and Angels de Thorrez (Torres):

Not sure what is being referenced for the individuals named...Diego Ruiz
y ? Cayetano de Robalcaba...(Witnesses ?)It doesn't say witnesses, it only says they were also present to witness the marriage.

This document is located at this URL:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-27834-15?cc=1874591&wc….

(the second document on the right hand page).

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy, CA. USA

There are a number of good histories of Mexico and the Spanish conquest/colonial efforts in the New World that will likely answer your questions.

Here are two:

Michael Meyer & William Sherman, "The Course of Mexican History," 5th edition (1995).

Hugh Thomas, "The Golden Empire: Spain Charles V, and the Creation of America," (2010).

A good public library should have at least the first of these, and likely both.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Alice just wanted to share something I do when reading a record that's unfamiliar or hard to read. I skip every 5 pages until the handwriting starts making sense and I start noticing similarities in wording and style, it's helped me a lot.. just sharing..
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

________________________________
From: alice wissing
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:17 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaltenango Records

Hello Researchers,

Last night I tried to review the following microfilm: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Matrimonios 1626-1723. I am disappointed in that the handwriting is almost illegible for the late 1620's (I don't know about the rest of the microfilm because I did not get far). Do these entries appear on the IGI? And are there any transcriptions or translations available of the records?

Thank you so much,

Alice

Hello Juanita,

As Armando stated there are no other names than the married couple and their parents. Again, the phrase you were wondering about just meant they were married in front of the church. What I have found to be helpful when I don't quite understand the phrases or terminology of the record I'm researching, is to look at some of the other records before and after the one I'm interested in. Sometimes they're a little clearer and you may either read them a bit easier or you will see that they are using the same phrases which just means it some what of a "form" with the same information, just the names change.

Hope that helps,
Barbara

What you think says infante Eliza is actually "In facie ecclesiae" which is a Latin term for "in front of the church". http://www.somosprimos.com/spanishterms/spanishterms.htm

The grandparents are not mentioned.

I hope this helps.

Armando

Hello,

I apologize if I misunderstood your request, but I believe you are trying to find a book on Nochistian. WorldCat can be very helpful in locating books in public libraries. You might be able to get your local library to get an inter library loan for you. I found this on World cat. I hope this helps..http://www.worldcat.org/title/genealogia-de-nochistlan-antiguo-reino-de…

Juanita Henniger

i found a few ancestors with last name caldera on my tree but i can't seem to figure out how they relate to miguel caldera

Ed, I have 4 Caldera ancestors even though 2 go to the same ancestors, Jose Antonio del Carmel Caldera (abt 1735) and Ana de la Trinidad Garcia and also Jose Andres Caldera (abt 1720) and Catarina Gertrudis de la Cueva.  I also have Leonarda Caldera (abt 1710) and Francisco Reveles but have not been able to find anything on them. so I also have been trying to link them since they are listed as Espanol even though we know they were Mestiso's. Susan Leniski has submitted her work to Nuestrosranchos and what I have comes mostly from her research.
Like you I did purchase and read the Powell book.

I don't read Spanish well but Mr. Cabral did try to help me but the language barrier was too great since he speaks no English. I hope you are able to uncover something that helps me link my Caldera ancestors together.

Linda Castanon-Long in Marietta

________________________________
From: "ed@serros.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 10:46:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Cabral (Salvador Cabral author)

I have been researching the Jerez area for some time.  As I have found in many parts of my family, the intermarriage between families is breath-taking and predictable. For the longest time I had a brick wall in one line but recently found it in Jerez, where I should have looked before. An old document suggested that Antonio Villegas married Barbara Cablar, but it turns out it was a "typo" by the priest; it should have been Barbara Cabral.  Once I realized the mistake, with many other supporting documents, the Barbara Cabral (born c. 1745 in Jerez) link takes me back to Domingo Cabral, I believe, courtesy of Nuestros Ranchos member Salvador Cabral, see http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab… and http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab….

Furthermore in the course of reading the above links, Salvador offers the following with respect to the apparent connection between the famous Miguel Caldera, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Caldera or in Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Caldera, and Domingo Cabral in the link here, http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab…. I have read Powell's book on Miguel Caldera, see http://www.amazon.com/Mexicos-Miguel-Caldera-Americas-1548-1597/dp/0816…, and Powell specifically does not mention many Miguel Caldera direct family members since Miguel did marry.  Powell does discuss Miguel's niece, illegitimate daughter Isabel, and subsequent marriages of these two.

My question is what is the documentation in the link, http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab…, where the "extended" Caldera family is discussed? I offer this question not as an argument but simply as an attempt for clarification. Miguel Caldera was a very important figure in the Nuestros Ranchos area. I would have emailed Salvador Cabral directly but I do not have his email address. Furthermore, I think Miguel Caldera discussions are probably interesting for this group.

By the way, I for one am grateful Salvador Cabral is a member of this group.

Thanks,

Ed Serros

You might already have this information but in case you don't, here it is.

So this is the wedding date for your ancestors, Refugio Jauregui and Maria Encarnacion Losano, 18 Sept, 1851:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZXF-4MP

This is the marriage record for Jose Refugio Jaurequi and Maria Encarnacion Losano, bottom right hand corner from El Salto. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-45194-11?cc=1410092&wc…

This was his second marriage, his first was to Maria Victoriana Mejia. This marriage records shows that there was a dispensation for the marriage of Jose Refugio Jauregui and Maria Encarnacion Losano. You may want to check on the marriage dispensation and it may have additional information as to the origins of the parents of the bride and the groom.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PIOQUINTO JAUREGUI AND MARIA DOLORES YANES INFO NOCHISTLAN ZACATECAS MEXICO

Im trying to find these individuals parents as well but i just can't seem to find them either they are form nochistlan zacatecas i descend from their son Jose Del Refugio Jauregui he married Maria Encarnacio Lozano middle 1800's.

To me, it looks like what folks from Jalpa, Zac refer to as a "gordita." The fillings varied, from only lard, to beans + lettuce + cheese and some kind of meat (and of course home-made chile!). I'm not sure of its origins, but remember that corn (and hence tortillas) is a native plant so Gordas/Gorditas probably originated in Mexico. As for Atole Blanco, we never added the "blanco" because that was the only type we ever had.

Both are pretty common in East LA and other parts of Southern California.

I've seen slight variations on these, such as the "sopes" (Gorditas) and "champurrado" (atole).

I have this family in my records but they sometimes go by Ruiz so it's been confusing to say the least. this is the first record I have for that line:
My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico, I hope this helps you a bit.
My maternal line from the Tamazula area are Gutierrez/Mendez but at this point I'm not sure how your line connects with mine but I only record the records of my family and the lines they married into.
My mother was Dolores Gutierrez 19 Sept 1924, you can go to pedigree in text form to see my maternal line.
Linda Castanon-Long
 .
Marriage 30 Nov 1794 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Don Pedro Antonio Ruiz from Tegualtichi El Grande, Guadalajara now in Tamazula 21 years
widower of Dona Maria Cathalina Boeso in Tamazula 2 months
with: Dona Juliana Rosalia Macias from Tamazula
widow Don Juan Bernardino Garcia 5 years in Tonila, Tuxpan
pad: Juan Antonio Coria and Marcela Masias his wife
wit: Rafael Urzua and Jose Manuel Zuniga
source: 0226027 Tamazula marriages
.
. next generation
Marriage: 1 June 1801 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Don Josse Antonio Ruis alias Carrillo Espanol from Loma Cortada
Parents: Don Antonio Ruis alias Carrillo and Dona Maria Catalina Huero deceased
With: Dona Maria Luisa Balencia Espanola from Tamazula
Parents: Don Josse Visente Balencia and Dona Maria Quiteria Barragan
Pad: Don Josse Estevan Reyna and Dona Maria Josefa Castaneda his wife Espanoles
wit: Don Diego de Ochoa, Don Juan Toscano and Jose Ramos
source: 0226028 Tamazula marriage
.baptism 21 March 1818 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Jose Maria de Jesus Espanol born in Tamazula 2 days old
parents; Don Manuel Carrillo and Dona Lugarda Ochoa
pat grn: Don Antonio Carrillo and Dona Catarina Buezo
mat grn: Don Francisco Ochoa and Dona Josefa Moxica
godparents: Don Trinidad Romero and Dona Micaela Pizano
source: 225987 film
page 12 Family search online pilot program
 
.
.

________________________________
From: Juan Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A few items that interest me...

Subject: Help
Perhaps someone knows a "next step" and can help me continue to build a
family tree. I am looking for an ancestor, "Manuel Carrillo Buezo" born
sometime in the late 1700's. He is my great, great, great grandfather. He
had three children (perhaps more and I have yet to find them), with two
born in 1818 and 1826 and the third birth unknown at this time. This leads
me to assume his birth in the late 18th century. At this time I have been
going through the church records of Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco and not
finding his baptism yet. It is family lore that the first Carrillo in our
family arrived in Tamazula from Burgos, Spain. I do not know how true that
is. But if there is no record of Manuel Carrillo in the Tamazula church
records, then he must have come from some other region of Mexico or from
Spain. *What would be the next step if that is the direction I must
follow?* His
wife, "Lugarda Ochoa Moxic" (probably Moxica) has yet to be looked for at
this time and her information may be very useful in this search should I
find her records. ****

** **

I also have found that some records are unreadable because the ink has
faded so badly. I would hate to think that my ancestor is identified on
those pages and I will never see it.****

** **

I also noted that the number of mulatos baptized in Tamazula are abundant
in the late 1700's and absent in the 1800's. Were there efforts to
eliminate these distinctions in post-colonial Mexico?****

Thank you for any help****

Juan Manuel Carrillo

http://www.simplipure.com/news.google.php?h=x0r4k6l8w1

Hello Deedra-

The following link is what I have for Geronimo de Anda. Most of this information is based on the dispensations listed under the section for Sources.
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Anda_Altamirano-14

Best
Austin Perez

Deedra,

The following page should help you out. http://goo.gl/Cb5NX

Armando

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM, wrote:

I have hit a deadend with this couple. The father of Beatris is Joseph
> Ramirez de Mendoza (from the daughter's Dispensation). They are the parents
> of two daughters that I have been able to locate: Maria Nicolasa de Anda:
> Born 14 December, 1696 in Jalostitlan, Jal. She married Diego Marquez on 16
> Jan. 1715 in Jalostitlan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/**
> MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-204-85?cc=**1874591&wc=12506202
>
> Anna de Anda: Married on 14 Feb. 1713 to Juan Trinidad Gomez de Mendoza;
> son of Diego Gomez de Mendoza and Francisca Leal y Ayala
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-452-73?cc=**
> 1874591&wc=12506202
>
> They received a dispensation:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-37347-35?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12512702
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you,
> Deedra Corona

Hi Deedra, my name is Ann Marie Gutierrez and I'm doing the same search. I've
traced my grandfather, Jose H. Gutierrez 1879 to his father;  Guadalupe
Gutierrez, 1853;  Jose Blas Gutierrez, 1812;   to Jose Manuel Gutierrez 1763;
 he married Magdalena Martin Ayala. 

Armando helped me a lot in searching for my family ancestors since I'm new at
this and he sent me an email with the following info. 

  Manuel Gutierrez was the son of Salvador Gutierrez de Mendoza and Mariana
Hurtado de Mendoza; married 16 Oct 1719 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.    They had
a dispensation request dated 22 Aug 1719.    Armando did a further search that
showed Salvador to be the son of  Salvador Gutierrez de Mendoza and Damiana
Vazquez de Lara.   He did a further search on Geneanet and found;  Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio married to Ana Gonzalez Florida which just may be the first
Gutierrez and the source of our line.    I was truly amazed with all the
research Armando did but unfortunately, I have not been as successful.  I am new
at this and barely started researching my ancestors and it is NOT easy.  I hit a
brick wall when it came to finding the actual birth records of Manuel
Gutierrez.   If you find any further information please let me know.  I would
certainly appreciate it.  Likewise, if I find anything I will keep you
informed.  Thank you.

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: "zapvive1@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, November 7, 2012 4:08:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Geronimo de Anda and Beatris Ramirez de Mendoza

I have hit a deadend with this couple. The father of Beatris is Joseph Ramirez
de Mendoza (from the daughter's Dispensation). They are the parents of two
daughters that I have been able to locate: Maria Nicolasa de Anda: Born 14
December, 1696 in Jalostitlan, Jal. She married Diego Marquez on 16 Jan. 1715 in
Jalostitlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-204-85?cc=1874591&wc=1…

Anna de Anda: Married on 14 Feb. 1713 to Juan Trinidad Gomez de Mendoza; son of
Diego Gomez de Mendoza and Francisca Leal y Ayala
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-452-73?cc=1874591&wc=1…

They received a dispensation:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-37347-35?cc=1874591&wc…

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you,
Deedra Corona

John,

Sometimes it is difficult to find individuals from that recent period just
using the online familysearch.org search engine so you'll probably have to
resort to turning pages one by one first in San Miguel el Alto and then
expand your research to the area of AGS that you speculate he might have
been born:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=MEXICO

scroll down to Jalisco

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.fami…
rch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1874591

and to San Miguel el Alto:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
ch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F12503115%3Fcc%3D187459

or for Civil Records:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.fami…
rch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1918187

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
ch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMMBB-NHJ%3An604286422%3Fcc%3D1918187

now for Aguascalientes since you don't know the location your search will be
infinitely harder. Here is the link to the AGS records:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.fami…
rch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1410092

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
ch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F6805247%3Fcc%3D1410092

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of John Martinez
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:28 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trinidad Martinez
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am trying to do some research on my grandfather Trinidad Martinez, but
have not been
> able o find his place of birth.  I am using
"familysearch.org/mexico-genealogy"  He was
> born in and around 1895 either in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco or
Aguascalientes.  if anyone
> can help I will appreciate it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Martinez
>

Hi John

I found some useful clues and info on the records of border crossing which I accessed through Ancestry.com. I think you can try it out through a trial version.
I saw who came across with whom, what town they came from in Mexico, and who they were going to stay with in the US,ages of the children and where they were born...This was for 1908 or 9. I had tried it on a lark, had always assumed they were undocumented, but I got lucky. Knowing specifically which town they came from has of course enabled me to narrow my searches.

Regards
Denise

Thanks, Cousin!

Jose Carlos de Leon