I AM CONFUSED AS TO THE USE OF SURNAMES. I HAVE SOMEONE NAMED GERTRUDIS GONZALES DE PLACENCIA. WHICH NAME IS HER FATHERS AND WHICH NAME IS HER MOTHERS? WHAT DOES "DE" SIGNIFY? AFTER SHE MARRIES IS THEIR A CHANGE? WHEN LISTED IN AN ALPHABETICAL INDEX HOW IS SHE LISTED AS? DOES SHE GO UNDER G FOR GONZALES OR DOES SHE GO UNDER "DE" OR IS SHE UNDER P FOR PLACENCIA? WHAT IF SHE REMARRIES? THANK YOU.
/
I have an M Islas Gonzalez (given name may be Maria Luisa, there is an
inkblot over most of that part), married to Pedro Antonio Toledo y
Balenzuela, listed as the parents of Luis Toledo, who married Petrona de
Jesus Garcia in Nochistlan on 8 Feb, 1750. Luis Toledo is suppose to be
from the area, but I have not found any other Toledos in that period there,
nor any Islas Gonzalez. I've noted both Islas and Toledos mentioned
recently. Does anyone have anything? Thanks for sharing if you do!--Raquel
Pedro Macias Valadez married Josepha Gutierrez around 1650 in Aguascalientes. They had at least three children. Pedro MV who married 1) Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga (de Espitia) and then 2) Luisa Esparza (Gomez); Antonio, and Juana who married Juan Macias Valadez. I was wondering if any one knows who were the parents of Pedro and Josepha. For Pedro, I am guessing he could be either: 1) Pedro b. 11 july 1619, son of Felipe Macias Valadez and Maria Tabera, or 2) Pedro b. 5 june 1625, son of Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa Villegas. Any help would be appreciated.
Pedro Macias Valadez se caso con Josepha Gutierrez alrededor de 1650 en Aguas. Tuviero por lo menos tres hijos. Pedro, que se caso con 1) Fca Ruiz de Quiroga (de Espitia) y luego con 2) Luisa de Esparza (Gomez); Antonio; y Juana que se caso con Juan Macias Valadez. Quisiera saber quienes fueron los padres de Pedro y Josepha. Para Pedro tengo la sospecha que se podria tratar de: 1) Pedro, nacido 11 julio 1619, hijo de Felipe Maicas Valadez y Maria Tabera, o 2) Pedro, nacido 5 junio de 1625, hijo de Pedro Macias Valadez y Luisa Villegas. Cualquier ayuda sera agradecida.
Jaime Alvarado
Today I returened from a very very long ordeal to Cocula , Jalisco to check on
the
Marriage of Lorenzo and Justa....(I had requested the books previously but the
priest was out of town and I needed his consent)
Just to find out that :
We must have a letter from the Diocisis de Guadalajara and the person that is
requesting should be doing the search. No problem in my part but it was just
a bit unconfortable to have new rules I guess most rules are " a piedrita en el
zapato".
This will have to wait for another trip and first Diocisis de Guadalajara.
The books in particular are of the early 1700
Cocula Jalisco records is the second largest recopilator of data after the
Diocisis.
I am sending this information for those that will be needed to research this
particular San Miguel Arcangel de Cocula Jalisco.
Save you the trip without the letter.
Saludos
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1. Re: Opinion o Hechos (Guillermo Tovar de Teresa)
2. Re: Opinion o Hechos (Jose Carlos de Leon)
3. Re: Opinion o Hechos (xalos68@hotmail.com)
4. de la Campa y Cos (mound_oxley@yahoo.com)
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:11:00 -0600
From: "Guillermo Tovar de Teresa"
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Me da mucho gusto que, hasta ahora, muchos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos
apoyen mi propuesta, que ya expres? en mi anterior comunicaci?n, de no
discutir en esta p?gina web otros temas que no sean los geneal?gicos. Si
alguien desea discutir pol?tica que lo haga en otro foro. Gracias por esta
comprensi?n. Ser? muy importante que nuestra comunidad rechace discusiones
bizantinas y nos dediquemos a la historia de nuestras familias.
Guillermo Tovar de Teresa
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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Martes, 15 de Febrero de 2011 05:44 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org; general@nuestrosranchos.org;
announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Opinion o Hechos
The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.
El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealog?a
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerar? las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si est?n de
pol?tica, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusi?n. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tom? las decisiones que afectaron directamente a c?mo y a donde
podr?amos encontrar los expedientes geneal?gicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opini?n, es un buen asunto de discusi?n. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animar?a cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusi?n ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opini?n que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
?ste es su grupo y de este d?a delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusi?n permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .
joseph
ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.
p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
r?pidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusi?n que es desordenada en
una discusi?n que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qu? usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugerir?a
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusi?n al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos est?n a
muchos a numerar f?cilmente puedo tutor r?pidamente c?mo comenzar a un
grupo de discusi?n en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Hello,
Has anyone seen this book? I was wondering if it was worth taking a drive up to Berkley - it appears to be the only library that has it. Sounds interesting but I've been burned so many times with books that I wanted to see if I could get some input first.
Genealogical records from Nueva Galicia (Mexico), 1537-1777.
Card catalogue description: Collection of genealogical documents (originals and certified copies) concerning interrelated families of Nueva Galicia-notably the Flores, de la Torre, Alvarado,Contreras, Angulo, Figueroa, Padilla, Bañuelos, and Oñate families. Composed principally of files on genealogical inquiries conducted by the Audiencia of Guadalajara or lesser local tribunals at the request of petitioners José and Nicolás Flores de la Torre, Archdean Diego Flores de Latorre, Presbyter Luis Gómez de Alvarado, and others, who claimed kinship with such noted conquistadors as Pedro de Alvarado, Hernán Flores, Diego Pérez de la Torre (successor of Nuño de Guzmán), andFrancisco de Figueroa. With two appended genealogical reports, one prepared by the Precentor of the Guadalajara Cathedral on certain Juchipila families and the other on the Flores, de la Torre, and González families, compiled by the Inquisition and a university official, Dr. Vicente Ignacio Peña Brizuela, at the request of Vicente Flores de la Torre y González. Contains petitions, questionnaires, testimony, texts of royal decrees, viceregal or judicial orders, powers of attorney, certifications, related material, and two colored coats of arms.
Thanks,
-Angelina-
I've updated my genealogy FILES and GEDCOM Tree (3,200 individuals) for JOSEPH de LEON.
Locations of Research:
Colotlan, Huejucar, & Totatiche area in Jalisco and Jerez & Tepetongo area in Zacatecas, Mexico
Surnames Researching:
Banuelos, Borrego, Campos, Carrillo, Carlos, Covarrubias, Enriquez, de Escobedo, Flores, Gonzalez, de Leon, Mayorga, Ortiz, Quesada, del Real, Sandoval, de Sillas, Valenzuela, Villaneda, and others.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Hello everyone, my name is Enrique and I started my research about 6 months ago. I am researching Covarrubias and Orozco from Tlaltenango as well as Renteria in Zacatecas. So far in the Covarrubias’ search I have up to the 9th generation thanks to the book of “Familias antiguas of Tlaltenango” by Arturo Ramos, I found that the descendents of Jacinto de Talamantes e Isabel de Covarrubias are part directly of the genealogical tree of my mother in law. I have read some of the blogs in the “Nuestros Ranchos” and I found that there is still a confusion of whether Isabel de Covarrubias is the daughter of Maria de Covarrubias and Francisco Escobedo, or the daughter of Francisco Covarrubias. On this point I would like to research more about Isabel de Covarrubias but I don’t know what could be the next step, I know that somebody mentioned that they have a copy of the matrimonial data on Jacinto Talamantes and Isabel de Covarrubias that is available in the "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara” but unfortunately I live in Canada and it is very difficult to get documents like this, also I know that there is a will of Francisco Escobedo where mentioned Isabel de Rodas which could be Isabel de Covarrubias. I hope somebody could provide me with a copy of these documents and guide me towards the next step in the research for this line.
In regards of the Orozco Family I have Donaciano Orozco who born in Teocaltiche on 05/Sep/1835 and married to Petra Briseño 20/Sep/1854, Donaciano’s parents are Felipe Orozco and Aleja Dena from which I am still reseaching for the marriage information and his grandparents were Mariano Orozco and Petra Bergara for which I still don’t get any information yet.
On the other hand in the search of the Renteria’s family, it just turn me into a new area, originally I have the information of the marriage of Cirilo Renteria married to Maria Hernandez 10/05/1886, both were residents of El Salvador in Monte Escobedo but I found that Cirilo Renteria was born in Vetagrande in around the year of 1856 but unfourtunately the records for those years don’t exist and it will be tought to find the generations prior, but if somebody is researching this area probably could guide to where to go.
I appreciate the help of everybody and I am really happy that I have access to this website which is the best genealogical website in Mexico, I really like it and thanks to everybody in advance.
Regards
Enrique Luviano
thank you Joseph Puentes
You are great I will if you allow me be asking you some time next week a few
pointers once I am breef on certain technical procedure.
I allways had some one to do things for me. Now I must and wish to learn.
Gracias
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:43:51 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org, general@nuestrosranchos.org,
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Opinion o Hechos
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The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.
El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealog?a
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerar? las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si est?n de
pol?tica, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusi?n. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tom? las decisiones que afectaron directamente a c?mo y a donde
podr?amos encontrar los expedientes geneal?gicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opini?n, es un buen asunto de discusi?n. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animar?a cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusi?n ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opini?n que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
?ste es su grupo y de este d?a delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusi?n permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .
joseph
ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.
p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
r?pidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusi?n que es desordenada en
una discusi?n que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qu? usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugerir?a
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusi?n al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos est?n a
muchos a numerar f?cilmente puedo tutor r?pidamente c?mo comenzar a un
grupo de discusi?n en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
------------------------------
The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.
El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealogía
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerará las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si estén de
política, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusión. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tomó las decisiones que afectaron directamente a cómo y a donde
podríamos encontrar los expedientes genealógicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opinión, es un buen asunto de discusión. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animaría cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusión ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opinión que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
Éste es su grupo y de este día delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusión permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .
joseph
ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.
p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
rápidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusión que es desordenada en
una discusión que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qué usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugeriría
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusión al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos están a
muchos a numerar fácilmente puedo tutor rápidamente cómo comenzar a un
grupo de discusión en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.
El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealogía
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerará las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si estén de
política, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusión. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tomó las decisiones que afectaron directamente a cómo y a donde
podríamos encontrar los expedientes genealógicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opinión, es un buen asunto de discusión. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animaría cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusión ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opinión que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
Éste es su grupo y de este día delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusión permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .
joseph
ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.
p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
rápidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusión que es desordenada en
una discusión que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qué usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugeriría
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusión al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos están a
muchos a numerar fácilmente puedo tutor rápidamente cómo comenzar a un
grupo de discusión en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other topics whether they be of
politics, race or other concerns. Having said that sometimes there is an
absolute need to bring some of these topics into discussion. For example
if the government made decisions that directly affected how and where we
could find genealogical records I'd say it is on topic as long as
"opinion" doesn't creep into the discussion. . ."Just the facts,
please"! There are other examples, I'm sure. I would encourage everyone
in the group who believes that the discussion has crossed from "Just the
facts" to "opinion" to please please send me a private email
(joseph@nuestrosranchos.org). This is your group and I am from this day
forward making everyone accountable to monitor that the discussion stays
on topic and respectful.
El grupo nuestrosranchos.org esta dedicado al estudio de la genealogía
de los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas y de Aguascalientes. Este grupo
no tolerará las discusiones relacionadas con otros asuntos si estén de
política, de raza o de otras cosas. A veces hay una necesidad absoluta
de traer algunos de estos asuntos en la discusión. Por ejemplo si el
gobierno tomó las decisiones que afectaron directamente a cómo y a donde
podríamos encontrar los expedientes genealógicos dijere que ese asunto,
menos la opinión, es un buen asunto de discusión. Solamente los hechos,
por favor. Creo que hay otros ejemplos. Animaría cada uno en el grupo
que cree que la discusión ha cruzado de solamente de los hechos a la
opinión que me mandan un email privado (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org).
Éste es su grupo y de este día delantero estoy haciendo cada uno
responsable para supervisar que la discusión permanece en asunto y
respetuoso .
joseph
ps: these days I don't have a lot of time and I'll quickly do whatever I
have to bring an out of order discussion into order. If the thought
crosses your mind that "what you have to say" might be off topic then I
would suggest that "IT IS" and for you to take that discussion to
"PRIVATE EMAIL" with the individuals concerned. Now if you believe that
the individuals concerned are too many to easily number I can quickly
tutor you how to start a discussion group on Yahoo Groups where you can
discuss any and all topics.
p.d: actualmente en estos dias no tengo mucho tiempo y harare
rápidamente lo que tengo a traer a una discusión que es desordenada en
una discusión que sea ordenada. Si el pensamiento cruza su mente que
"qué usted tiene que decir" puede ser de asunto entonces yo sugeriría
que SEA y para que usted tome que la discusión al EMAIL PRIVADO con esos
individuos. Ahora si usted cree que los individuos referidos están a
muchos a numerar fácilmente puedo tutor rápidamente cómo comenzar a un
grupo de discusión en los grupos de Yahoo donde usted puede discutir
cualesquiera y todos los asuntos
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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
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http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
I FOUND THIS SITE ON THE INTERNET, I DON'T KNOW IT'S VALIDITY BUT MAYBE IT WILL HELP: ALCALDE DIEGO VELASCO DE TREVINO FUNDADOR DE LA NUEVA GALICIA.
IF I WANT TO UPDATE MY AHNENTAFEL, MAY I ALSO ATTACH AN ALPHABETICAL LISTING OF ALL NAMES I HAVE RESEARCHED WITH DATES AND PARENTS AND SPOUSES, ETC. SO THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO OTHER MEMBERS?
Lester and Paul,
Thank you both for the information on the town of Corral de Almaguer. I had
not heard of it before. At this point my research on my Almaguer line has
not progressed very far. And I know nothing about the origin of the name.
I need to do a lot more research. Thanks to both of you for the ideas.
Beverly
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:11:21 +0000
From: Lester Alvarado
To: Bill Figueroa
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Almaguer
You are absolutely right ! The town that you mention CORAL DE ALMAGUER is
where all the Almaguers come from . There is a fellow in Villa de Santiago ,
Nuevo Leon that visited the town and spoke to the mayor . He was informed
that the town holds on to the name but there are no Almaguers there for a
very long time .
There are several explanations on the name , some say that it has arab
origens Al-magher . Its possible being that almost all the surnames with the
prefix AL do have middle east orignes but not all of them .
Take care,
Welester
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:25:41 +0000
From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lester Alvarado
Beverly,
I found your e-mail of great interest. My wife is a Romero. I have traced
her family line's progenitor, Bartholomew Romero, to a small town Corral de
Almaguer, 60 miles east of Toledo, Spain, . Is there a connection between
this town and your great grandmother? As we know, oftentimes an individual"s
surname name was identified with his "home town".
I look forward to your response.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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The indexing of Jaime Holcombe's transcriptions of the Zacatecas Archive's 17th Century Notary records, mostly those of Felipe de Espinosa, is now complete and online at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/notary.
El indice de las transcripciones de Jaime Holcombe de los expedientes de notarías del siglo XVII del Archivo del Estado de Zacatecas se ha completado. La mayoría de expedientes son de Felipe de Espinosa y se puede revisar en:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/notary.
Many thanks to our volunteers, muchísimas gracias a los voluntarios:
Esperanza Villarreal Luna, Gus Meza, Jose Luis Felix Castañeda, Salvador Márquez, Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez, Angelina Markle, Daniel Méndez Camino, Mickey Garcia and Christopher Barrios de Leon
and to Guillermo Tovar de Teresa who furnished the materials that were indexed and loaded to the database.
y a Guillermo Tovar de Teresa quien otorgo los materiales que se montaron a la base de datos y de los cuales se creo el índice.
Hola Welester!
My name is Amelia Macias. I just joint the NR a few days ago and have very little data to go on in the search for my father's side of the family. My half mom's side is done thanks to my sister (LDS). I'm looking for the Macias and Alavarado families of Jalpa and Aguascalientes. Here is my connection to the Alvarado-Tostado surnames.
My father, Jose Jesus Tostado Macias' parents were Jose Macias and Calletana Alvarado Tostado. I'm having trouble obtaining info from my father, medical reasons. My grandfather Jose was born 1867 in Jalpa and died in 1951 in Jalpa. My grandmother Calletana died in 1960 in Jalpa. My father's other siblings were as follows:
Antonio Macias, married (Socorro) born 1917 died 21 Nov 2005 in Aguascalientes which still lives there.
Angel Macias, no info
Socorro Macias, died in Jalpa as at nine months
Socorro Macias, died in Jallpa at age 32
Jose Jesus Macias, b. 1923 in Jalpa
Jovita Macias, b. abt 1930 died in Jalpa as a baby
Jovita Macias born 10 April 1931
Do you have any relatives from Jalpa? Do any of these names sound familiar to you?
Thanks! Amelia Macias
I have recently had the opportunity to look at a copy of Genealogia de Nochistlan. In the chapter for Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma (Capitulo 58) is an extract of the first document that I have become aware of that actually names this couple. For those that are interested in this family, and do not have access to a copy of this book, the extract is as follows.
This is the matrimonial investigation for Bartolome Rodrigues Baxo, whose first and second wives descend from Martin and Petronila, thus he was requesting a dispensation for 4th degree afinity (they are great-great-granddaughters of Martin and Petronila:
27 September 1703, Nochistlán
Bartolomé Ros Baxo vesino de la Billa de aquacalientes en la sieneguila, Viudo de teresa ponse para el matrimonio que pretnedo contraer con doña Thomasa Rosa de Ullóa (de beinte y tres años de edad), besina de esta Jurisdision, yja lexítima del Capptán po de Ullóa y márquez y de da Josepa de sepúlveda y Roxas (hija de Juan de Sepúlveda y Leonor de Elizalde, Capítulo 63) que habiendo rsultado un impedimento de parentesco de quarto grado de afinidad entre mí y la dha Tomasa Rosa de Ullóa.
Se presentaron como testigos: el Cappn Casimiro Lópes de lara, español vesino destte dho pueblo quién declaró que conoce a la dha da Thomasa Roza de Ullóa abra tiempo de veinte y dos años o beinte i tres y que a su parecer tendrá treinta y tres años y que a lo menos sube se los treinta porque en aquel tiempo tendría como ocho o dies años y que el dho pedro de Ullóa pasa de sesenta años Y la dha Da Josepha de sepúlveda Roxas tendrá Su mysma edad porque desdel referido tiemp de beinte y dos a beinte y tres años que a los conoze los has conocido siempre biejos y que por esta causa se fallasen como es natural quedara la sudha Da ttomasa Rosa de Ullóa desamparada y Apeligrada muchas miserias … declaró ser de edad de quaranta Y un años y lo firmó.
Se presentó también Joséph Rodriguez, español Vesino del pueblo mesticacán, quién dijo que conoce a Thomasa de la Rosa de Ullóa libre de matrimonio y que desde que nació a tenido comunicación y trato con sus padres y dijo que es de edad de cinquenta añoz, No firmó por no saver.
Así mismo, se presentaron Diego de benavides, español vesino del puo de mesticacán, quién declaró que no save que sean parientes los contrayientes y dijo ser de edad de quaranta años (firmó) y declaró lo mismo Joséph Carillo, español Y vesino de mesticacán, quién dijo ser de edad de treinta años y lo firmó.
Otro testigo fue Diego de Contreras Vesino Deste dho pueblo, quién dijo que son estos presentos parientes en quarto grado de afinidad por cópula licita por ser la dha Da ttomasa terzera nietta de Martin nabarro de quién el dho pedro de Ullóa su padre es bisnieto Y así mismo aver sido la dha tteresa ponse terzera nietta Y su padre nicolás ponze bysnietto del mismo Martin Nabarro que todo estto Lo save poraver oydi en ello ablar a barias personas fidedignas Y en particular a lorenzo Ruis desparza ombre de mucha edad Y mui beridico Veziode la Villa de aguascalientes y nietto que fue del dho martin Navarro …Y rratificó. Dijo ser de edad de más de ochentta años y lo firmó.
También presentó Matheo Gons de Ruvalacava, español vesino delste dho pueblo quién declaró que los prestensos son parientes en quarto grado de afinidad por cópula lizita por ser la dha ser la dha ttereza ponze, Yja de Nicolás ponze, nieta de Da juana de siordia, bisnieta de Maria Gabai Y tereza, nieta de Martín nabarro y de Da patronila de montesuma … y que así mismo save que son basttantemente pobres porque todos su caudal se Reduze a Una Mula esclava Con tres CRíos Y a unas pocas tierras asentuadas sobre las que les al presente se muebe pleito al pareser justificado Nicolás de Sepúlveda, hermano de la dha josepha de sepúlveda y que por todas razones junto con la de que los yjos lixítimos erederos de los dhos Pedro de Ullóa y de josepha de sepúlveda son seis de los quales quatro no an tocado todabía ni persivido erensia quere partido entre elloz … y dijo ser de edad de setenta y ocho años y lo firmó.
Por último apareció Bartolomé de la dueña de sesenta años de edad quién firmó.
I looked in the 1703 volume of matrimonial investigations of Nochistlan, but did not find this document. It may be in the diocesan records of Guadalajara.
George Fulton
Does anyone happen to have the record for the 11 Feb 1733 marriage of
Bernardo Contreras and Feliciana Alonzo de los Ynojos in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco?
Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Thanks.
Xptóval, Xptóbal. I know it is the abbreviation for Cristóbal, Cristóval, Christóval, Christóbal ... Chrisptóval?? or english Christopher. I understand the X was for the Cruz or Cross (greek Cristos) - but does anyone know how the "p" got in there? The metamorphosis of Spanish names to me is interesting. Like Bethlehem changing to Bethelehem, Bethelem, and other variations and finally ending up Belén. Or José being spelled Joseph in the 1700's - was it nevertheless still pronounced José, the ph being silent? Or Yosep from Hebrew influence? I also understand that certain imported words like Bethlehem are linguistically unacceptable combinations of sounds to any Spanish-speaking person - so it _has_ to change, just as Tlaltenango is unacceptable to an English-speaking person - we _never_ start a word with TL ... Even my own name Stuart is unacceptable to many persons from India or Latin America because they insist on saying Estuart. I guess my interest in this is because when I look at old records I am obsessed with knowing how to pronounce the names as they were originally spoken - and I can't figure out how to pronounce them.
I think this question may be for Arturo or Joseph. Is there a way to search the surnames other members are investigating, if they are not included in the Gedcom resource? (Other than looking up members with that surname?) For example, how can I check which other members are also investigating a particular surname or, better yet, which members are searching for a particular surname in a particular state? This may be obvious, I just haven't learned how to do it. Thanks
Hola a todos los compañeros me gustaria saber algo de esta pareja del lado de Martin ramirez ya que del lado de Francisca de Bibanco tengo hasta los abuelos paternos y maternos es una pareja de ayotlan Jalisco casados en 1723, un saludo y mil gracias de antemano
I had been away from this forum for some time. I took a wrong turn somewhere in my research and felt very dissapointed. I was following the wrong ancestors. I learned that I cannot make assumptions based on information found online and that I needed to see copies of the actual documents.
My great grandmother was Prudencia Garcia Contreras (1895-1984)daughter of Josefa Contreras y Zenon Garcia. My grandfather was Rodolfo Gama (a. 1905), son of J. Cruz Gama and Rosario Cruz.
If anyone is doing research in Santa Cruz municipio de Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, let me know. I followed the wrong Gama family and have that information.
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Me aleje de este foro por algun tiempo. Me equivoque en alguna parte de mi investigacion y sufri una gran desilusion. Me puse a seguir a una linea equivocada. Me sirvio para aprender a no dar por hecho la informacion del internet sino hasta tener copias de los documentos.
Mi bisabuela era Prudencia Garcia Contreras (a. 1895-1984) hija de Josefa Contreras y Zenon Garcia. Mi abuelo fue Rodolfo Gama (a. 1905), hijo de J. Cruz Gama y de Rosario Cruz.
Si alguien esta haciendo investigaciones de Santa Cruz municipio de Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, dejenme saber. Segui la line de familia equivocada y tengo esa informacion
Rosie Cordova
how do you send a gedcom in? i use a PAF program is that an acceptable format? i also have many names i am researching what is the best way to include those?