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Arturo,
I've completed a PAF5 from the Family Search site. The film that contains the only documentation available is #1092766. What's the next step? Thanks for your help, Alice

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Alice:

I do not understand what you mean when you say you have "completed a PAF5." Do you mean you have downloaded the software?

What you will need to do is enter every name that you have of your genealogy. For those where it is oral history that gave you the information, enter the name and date of the interview as the source. For the marriage you found in Panuco, enter the film and batch number as the source. Have you seen the actual document? It should list both the bride and groom's parents and likely their places of birth as well.

Once you have entered all of the names, you should be able to print out a report into an RTF (rich text) document which you can then upload to your member genealogy folder.

Have you downloaded the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide? It explains many of these steps.

Santelices and Valderramas in Panuco

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Hello Arturo,
I may have a Master's Degree, but I'd be the first to admit, I'm not computer savvy. Sorry. I have a PAF5 icon on my desktop, so I believe it's downloaded. I'm focusing on my mother's side of my family for now. Both my parents are deceased and I have no documentation of her birthplace or date. I've viewed the films from Villa Garcia and Aguascalientes (there is conflict as to where she was born) that spanned years and have found neither her or either of her two brothers (deceased before I was born). My grandparents were also deceased before I was born; all I have is their names, no documentation. Does all this constitute oral history? The only documentation I have is of my greatgrandparents marriage on a Panuco film #1092766 that I checked out and actually viewed twice and made a hard copy. Only the fathers of the bride and groom were mentioned (which I was thrilled to find)with no birthplaces of anyone. I've viewed about 11 films investigating different angles and f
amily me
mbers, with no success. I've spent many hours compiling 30plus pages of Onates, Santelices, Candelas, and Valderramas from the group's file collection (for future use)with no real connection, only speculation. Don't worry, none of these names are entered into my PAF! Do you want me to upload the scant information I've completed on my PAF? Come on, I must have a primo out there!!! I've issued APB's for 19th and 20th Century Onates, Santelices, Candelas, and Valderramas with no results. Any help would be greatly appreciated technical or otherwise. Thanks so much. Alice

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices and Valderramas in Panuco
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:40:07 -0800 (PST)

Alice:

I do not understand what you mean when you say you have "completed a PAF5." Do you mean you have downloaded the software?

Once you have entered all of the names, you should be able to print out a report into an RTF (rich text) document which you can then upload to your member genealogy folder.

Have you downloaded the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide? It explains many of these steps.

Santelices and Valderramas

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Alice:

It looks like you are on the right path. Please enter the names starting with your mother that you have. It sounds like lots of it is oral history, so just note it as such. The fact that there are only three or four generations is fine. What is important is that those few generations' information is clearly laid out and anyone seeing your chart can tell who is whose father, etc. I cannot tell this that from the information you now have in your folder.

Once you have entered all of the names, notes and sources, select your mother from the list of individuals, pull down the File Menu and Select "Print Reports." Select the "Books" tab and you will have the choice of printing an Ahnentafel (ancestry) chart or a Modified Register (descendancy) chart. If it is your mother, you should print out an Ahnentafel for her.

Look at this great guide that Maria Cortez put together:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15482

If you are unsure about your mother's birthplace but you know she was born in Mexico, I would suggest you try to locate her social security application, which should list her parents name as well as place of birth as well as her immigration record. Do you know what year she immigrated and through what border crossing?

Santelices and Valderramas

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Alice:

Do you mind uploading a scan of the marriage document that you have from Panuco or at least transcribing it? Also, taking a lead from Daniel, if the registro de matrimonio does not list parents or place names, perhaps the informacion matrimonial does. Have you yet looked at this film?

Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco Información matrimonial 1881-1882 VAULT INTL Film 1092826

What about this film?
Mexico, Zacatecas, Panuco, Matrimonios 1878-1889 FHL INTL Film 1082210

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Have you tested the Haro male dna? Are you going to do this in the future?

Thanks,
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Esther A. Herold

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Hi, there. I just recently sent in my DNA test and do not really know what the next step is. I'm not sure if I will be contacted or if I need to call. Anyway, even if the Haro is on my mother's side, is that like checking the Haro for HER paternal side? I truly do not know how this works. Do you have any Haro lines that you are researching?

Thanks!

eaherold@att.net wrote:
Have you tested the Haro male dna? Are you going to do this in the future?

Thanks,
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Esther A. Herold

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>
> Well, now that I think about it, he may or may not have been married to my gg
> because he was about 15 yrs. her senior when they married. This epidemic
> could've occurred when he was a young man in the late 1800's. THe reason I
> think this is that one of his sisters, Emilia Ruiz RÃ³bles, died around 1895 of
> typhoid disease. It's possible that the epidemic was in the late 1800's but I
> am not sure and that is why I'm hoping someone has heard of this.
>
> Thanks, again!!!
>
> Cristina Ãvila Haro

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Cristina:

If you are using FamilyTree DNA, you will be getting an email and then a packet of information in about six weeks from when you sent in your sample.

If you sent in your own DNA for testing, the only lineage it can be tested for is mtDNA (mitochondrial) which traces your mother's mother's mother... Females do not have Y chromosomes and therefore cannot use their own cells for Y-DNA testing.

If your mother's father was an Haro and you wanted to trace that Haro paternal lineage, you would need to have one of her brothers (or one of her brothers' sons) tested. I have been able to get five lineages by having relatives do tests for me:

1. My own YDNA - my father's father's father...
2. My own mtDNA - my mother's mother's mother...
3. My father's mtDNA - my father's mother's mother...
4. My first cousin (son of my mother's brother) 's YDNA - my mother's father's father...
5. My second-cousin (son of the son of the son of my #10 ancestor)'s YDNA - my father's mother's father's father...

Both of the maternal lines have come back indigenous and all three of the paternal lines have come back European.

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Wow. OK, well, I think I'm on the wrong path, then. Well, maybe not exactly, but I sent mine to a place called Sorenson Labs. I guess they're working on a worldwide project and so I sent my free test in. I will find out about the other ones and will do as you suggested. I will ask one of my Haro cousins to submit the test once I find the right one.

Thanks so much!

arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:

If you are using FamilyTree DNA, you will be getting an email and then a packet of information in about six weeks from when you sent in your sample.

Both of the maternal lines have come back indigenous and all three of the paternal lines have come back European.

Sorenson Molecular Genealogy

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Cristina:

Sorenson Molecular Genealogy is collecting a database of DNA along with genealogies to match up with the DNA in their database. They ask for volunteers who have compiled their own genealogies and are willing to donate their DNA sample but because of the confidentiality requirements they have for their project, they do not communicate the results to the volunteers. You can look them up yourself on their database by surname, though I submitted mine over a year ago and they still have not shown up. I don't know if my genealogy was not acceptable or what...

Genealogy Software Assurance

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This is to Juanita and anyone else who believes they can't learn to download and operate the free PAF Software.
Listen up.........if I can do it you can do it, for this 57 year old grandmother to do it, anyone can do it. First go to www.familysearch.org. On the top there will be a row of blue tabs and it says order/download products, click on that blue tab. Another screen comes up and in the middle of that page it will say software downloads/free, click on that. It will ask you what language you want and the english language is free as well as the multi-language. Those would be numbers 77062988-s english language or 77062000's multi-language. Once you've decided and clicked on your choice it will give you your system requirements and it will tell you how to proceed.

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ALICIA,
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
I GUESS IT IS GOOD TO POUR OUT YOUR FEELINGS. THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC IN MANY WAYS.

NOW I REALLY HAVE TO GO TO WORK.

JUANITA

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
This is to Juanita and anyone else who believes they can't learn to download and operate the free PAF Software.
Listen up.........if I can do it you can do it, for this 57 year old grandmother to do it, anyone can do it. First go to www.familysearch.org. On the top there will be a row of blue tabs and it says order/download products, click on that blue tab. Another screen comes up and in the middle of that page it will say software downloads/free, click on that. It will ask you what language you want and the english language is free as well as the multi-language. Those would be numbers 77062988-s english language or 77062000's multi-language. Once you've decided and clicked on your choice it will give you your system requirements and it will tell you how to proceed.

The software is very easy to operate and you can begin using it and typing in your information. You will say to yourself, why didn't I do this sooner it was so easy. This makes it easy to keep track of your data/history and share it with friends, family etc and for you to see your progress. It also encourages you to do lateral research because you have a place to put everyone. It's like running a home, once you have adequate storage you know where to find everything, a place for everything and everything in it's place.

Genealogy software works just like storage, it's storage for our ancestors, a place for everyone and everyone in their place, neatly availabe for us to find them and place them with their respective family members.

I hope this helps..........Alicia in San Jose, Calif

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Alicia and Juanita, i thing this is very easy for us, and for me to. I waiting know more things.
the software PAF is very simple for my genelogy tree. God bless to yours.
Juan Luis Gomez de Chihuahua.

juanita delgado escribió:
ALICIA,
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
I GUESS IT IS GOOD TO POUR OUT YOUR FEELINGS. THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC IN MANY WAYS.

NOW I REALLY HAVE TO GO TO WORK.

JUANITA

I hope this helps..........Alicia in San Jose, Calif

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Juan Luis,

Gracias, espero que esto inspire a esas personas que se creen incapacitadas en el uso de programas genealogicos. Si no nos arriesgamos a aprender algo nuevo, como podemos progresar?

Siempre hay que preguntar y con el solo hecho de preguntar se expone uno a nuevas oportunidades. Le deseo suerte en sus investigaciones.

Atentamente,
Alicia de San Jose

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From: Juan Luis Gomez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Software Assurance

Thank You Alicia

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Alicia:

Thank you for sharing your experience with genealogy software and more importantly your analogy of such software and storage in one's home. It is a very vivid and valid analogy.

Just to share another story, this is how I got started with genealogy. My father asked me to help him organize information that he had so he could create a chart of some sort for a family reunion... if I had only known what I was getting into when I volunteered for the task and downloaded PAF...

My only mistake was to start entering names as quickly as possible without entering appropriate source information and details as to conjectures I was making along the way when the source documents did not explicitly state a relationship... Now it has become a real headache to fix what could have been done right from the onset with very little additional efforts. So my advice to anyone starting out is to document everything... PAF and other software has places to put notes and sources and these should be used extensively. You will thank yourself a few years down the line, not to mention that generations after you will thank you profusely as they review your work.

Thank You Alicia

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Hi Arturo & Alicia,

Reading your messages brought back memories of how I started with genealogy
a few years ago......I wish I had taken it a little slower and CITED ALL MY
SOURCES instead of making "little notes here and there"......I still have
those notes but some have no dates, no places, nothing but info......and it
really does not mean much to me unless I have something to at least jog my
memory.........thank goodness I started putting dates and little notes like
"my conversation with Aunt Mary at her house on January 10, 1996" and this
brings me back to that time and sometimes I can remember other bits of info
that I now write down in the "notes" section of my software. It is all a
learning process and I am always learning something every day that I do my
research.

No ONE person will ever know it all but we can learn from others such as we
do in this group. That is one reason that Nuestros Ranchos is growing and
growing.......we all have the same passion and thanks to people like Arturo,
Joseph, Alicia, Erlinda, Jonathan, Marge and the MANY OTHERS who are so
generous and share their knowledge, we are able to see our family trees grow
and grow!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:25 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You Alicia

Alicia:

Thank you for sharing your experience with genealogy software and more
importantly your analogy of such software and storage in one's home. It is
a very vivid and valid analogy.

Just to share another story, this is how I got started with genealogy. My
father asked me to help him organize information that he had so he could
create a chart of some sort for a family reunion... if I had only known what
I was getting into when I volunteered for the task and downloaded PAF...

My only mistake was to start entering names as quickly as possible without
entering appropriate source information and details as to conjectures I was
making along the way when the source documents did not explicitly state a
relationship... Now it has become a real headache to fix what could have
been done right from the onset with very little additional efforts. So my
advice to anyone starting out is to document everything... PAF and other
software has places to put notes and sources and these should be used
extensively. You will thank yourself a few years down the line, not to
mention that generations after you will thank you profusely as they review
your work.

Thank You Alicia

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To me, one of the best benefits is finding new cousins. Prima Marge:)

On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Hi Arturo & Alicia,
>
> Reading your messages brought back memories of how I started with
> genealogy
> a few years ago......I wish I had taken it a little slower and CITED
> ALL MY
> SOURCES instead of making "little notes here and there"......I still
> have
> those notes but some have no dates, no places, nothing but
> info......and it
> really does not mean much to me unless I have something to at least
> jog my
> memory.........thank goodness I started putting dates and little notes
> like
> "my conversation with Aunt Mary at her house on January 10, 1996" and
> this
> brings me back to that time and sometimes I can remember other bits of
> info
> that I now write down in the "notes" section of my software. It is all
> a
> learning process and I am always learning something every day that I
> do my
> research.
>
> No ONE person will ever know it all but we can learn from others such
> as we
> do in this group. That is one reason that Nuestros Ranchos is growing
> and
> growing.......we all have the same passion and thanks to people like
> Arturo,
> Joseph, Alicia, Erlinda, Jonathan, Marge and the MANY OTHERS who are so
> generous and share their knowledge, we are able to see our family
> trees grow
> and grow!
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturoramos
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:25 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You Alicia
>
>
> Alicia:
>
> Thank you for sharing your experience with genealogy software and more
> importantly your analogy of such software and storage in one's home.
> It is
> a very vivid and valid analogy.
>
> Just to share another story, this is how I got started with genealogy.
> My
> father asked me to help him organize information that he had so he
> could
> create a chart of some sort for a family reunion... if I had only
> known what
> I was getting into when I volunteered for the task and downloaded
> PAF...
>
> My only mistake was to start entering names as quickly as possible
> without
> entering appropriate source information and details as to conjectures
> I was
> making along the way when the source documents did not explicitly
> state a
> relationship... Now it has become a real headache to fix what could
> have
> been done right from the onset with very little additional efforts.
> So my
> advice to anyone starting out is to document everything... PAF and
> other
> software has places to put notes and sources and these should be used
> extensively. You will thank yourself a few years down the line, not to
> mention that generations after you will thank you profusely as they
> review
> your work.

Thank You Alicia

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Arturo,

You are welcome, it is always my pleasure to help out and because I am self taught on the computer, most everything I have learned is by trial and error and believe me there has been much error but every mistake I make allows me to learn something new. If I didn't take the risk and try something, I would not learn something new.

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

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Dear Grupo, You guys need to realize and appreciate how truly blessed you are! You have been able to make family connections and share information. Everyday I read every email, even the ones I struggle with in Spanish. Every week I go to my FHC and find absolutely nothing. If it weren't that the only documented family members are in Panuco, Zacatecas, I'd think I'm in the wrong group! I need to share my experience, because I don't want the group to think that I don't care to share or don't work on my genealogy. It's just not happening. If there are any Santelices, Valerramas, Candelas, or Onates from the 19th to 20th century that I could connect with; I'd love to hear from you. Take care and continued success. Alice

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Alice:

Do you think you can post an Ahnentafel chart of the research you have done already. I went into your file folder and cannot discern who is related to whom how...

I see that you have one date for a marriage in Panuco but I cannot estimate dates for other events because I cannot tell whether 1st generation is older or younger than 2nd generation, etc., i.e. is Jose Maria Santelices Francisco Santelices father or son or neither?

zacateca birth records

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Hi, Peggy Delgado

I tried getting to you through your e-mail, but couldn't.

I see where you have? birth records from a place in Zacatecas. Where were you able to obtain them? My interest is also in Zacatecas, in San Matias, Pinos, but looks like I have run into a stone wall. Haven't met anyone outhere with the same interest.

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I am doing research in Pinos, Zacatecas, Parish San Matias.

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Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

The best way to get birth records is through the Local Mormon Family History Centers. I have not been able to find value in their index. I have personally done all extractions or had the parish notary do some for me of which I paid him. He is probably deceased, but I am sure someone replaced him. What surnames are you searching?

I have travelled to Pinos and can recomnend a trip from San Luis Potosi as your base city. Well worth your time.

I am doing research in Pinos, Zacatecas, Parish San Matias.

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Hello,

I am researching in San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, also. Names of interest are DELGADO,
CONTRERAS, MARTIN, MELCALIN, CHAVEZ.

Hope I can run into something good.

Juanita G. Delgado

SylviaRodriguezRobles wrote:

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

I have travelled to Pinos and can recomnend a trip from San Luis Potosi as your base city. Well worth your time.

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

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Juanita:

I have been reading your messages to other members where you are looking for information on the Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas. I was just looking at your file folder and it is very difficult to understand. Do you think you could put it into a pedigree, register or some other standardized format so that other members can better understand the relationships between the people listed?

It looks like you have already gotten pretty far back, but only on one lineage. It is sometimes helpful to expand a bit horizontally, as you will find that tracking the wife's family sometimes leads to the husband's family and vice-versa.

The Delgados were definitely in Pinos for more that one generation. I found the following entries in IGI that appears to be the baptism records for a brothers of Bartolome Delgado, born in 1684 and 1687. I imagine that their parents were married sometime around 1680. There is a Salvador Delgado who was married to a Maria de Contreras and having children around the same time which would lead me to believe that both the Contreras and Delgados were in Pinos. It may be worth ordering the film to see if there is any more information that you can gather from these baptism records.

JUAN DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 05 AUG 1687 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONILA DE CHAVEZ
Source Information:
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

JOSEPH FRANCISCO DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 03 DEC 1684 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONA DE CHAVEZ
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas (Part II)

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Juanita:

Here are some more records for your ancestors from IGI:

JN. DELGADO MELCALIN
Christening: 12 JUL 1705 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: BARTOLOME DELGADO Family
Mother: FRANCA. JOSEPH DE MELCALIN Y CHAVARRI
Batch No.: C601462 Film No. 1095294

YSAVEL BARVARA DELGADO CHAVARRIA
Christening: 06 MAR 1712 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: BARTHOLOME DELGADO Family
Mother: FRANCA. DE CHAVARRIA
Batch No.: C601462 Film No. 1095294

and many other siblings on the same Batch:

2. YSAVEL BARVARA DELGADO CHAVARRIA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1712 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. MARIA DELGADO CHALARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1702 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARINA FRANCA. DELGADO CHAVARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 MAY 1714 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. JN. DELGADO MELCALIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUL 1705 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
6. THORIBIO FRANCO. DELGADO CHAVARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 MAY 1714 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
7. DOMINGO DELGADO DECHAURRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 AUG 1717 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
8. PETRONILA THOMASA DELGADO ECHAVARRIA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 OCT 1719 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas (Part III)

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Francisco Delgado of Pinos, Zacatecas appears in a dispensation in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. He was apparently widowed from Petra de Chavez by 1700:

Pinos, Zacatecas: Junio 1 de 1700. Expediente 99. Informacion Matrimonial - Francisco Delgado, espanol de 50 anos de edad, vecino del Puesto de la Prudencia de esta feligresia vuido de Petra de Chavez con Dona Juana Delgado y Valenzuela de 44 anos de edad orginaria de la Villa de Arjonilla, Obispado de Jaen en los Reinos de Castilla viuda de Don Francisco de Echeverria Merquelin, desde hace mad de diez y seis anos a esta parte, hija legitima del Cap Don Francisco Delgado y Ocampo y de Dona Marina de Valenzuela, espanoles, vecinos de este Real de San Mathias de Pinos de cuatro anoes a esta parte. 9 fojas.

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Rollo 168358 OAH parte 2, Matrimonios, hojas sueltas 1636-1707, Segunda serie, 1 de junio de 1700.

I would strongly recommend you order this film as it is likely these two individuals were related and that the documents would have extensive genealogical information.

In addition, you should probably order the informacion matrimonial film for Pinos that is likely to have Francisco's first marriage record around 1680:

Información matrimonial 1640-1699 FHL INTL Film 1095797

It looks like you have many leads, but lots of film reading to do. I also suggest you start entering all of this information into PAF or some other genealogy software to keep it (and the sources) well organized. It will also help you branch out to do some horizontal research to look into some of the materanal lines.

P.S. There was a Delgado in Zacatecas as early as the mid 1500s. Juan Delgado was the encomendero of El Teul, Zacatecas and his descendants were large land owners in the region of Tlaltenango and Tepechitlan around 1600.

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas (Part II)

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MY dearest, dearest Arturo,

I cannot beginnnnn to thank you for the information you have just given me!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, yes, I believe I am the only one that would understand the way I have outlined the generations, but I will be very, very, very frank with you; I know of no other way. I wish there were some classes that I could take locally, but I know of none.

I have compiled a booklet on the DELGADOS, but I just go down generation to generation, to my great-grandchildren. (I copied that method from an illustration I saw in the genealogy department at my library).

As soon as I get back from my vacation in Veracruz, I will order the films...

Many thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!

Juanaita G.Delgado

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

Here are some more records for your ancestors from IGI:

and many other siblings on the same Batch:

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas (Part IV)

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Juanita (and other new members):

While it is somewhat difficult to understand the standardized genealogy reports at first, it is really worthwhile to try to use them from the onset. The easiest way to do that is to simply download PAF or some other free genealogy software and enter the names, dates, place names AND SOURCES that you have. The software produces any one of the reports Joseph and I have mentioned, i.e. Ahnentafel, register, etc.

Once you start seeing the way the software organizes and reports the information you will start seeing the logic behind them.

The Ahnentafel and Pedigree reports go backward (ancestors of a person with each generation having twice as many people as the previous), while the register format goes forward, showing the descendants of a person, with each generation having less or more (usually) than the previous. If you download the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide, there are examples of all of these types of reports in an Appendix.

Juanita, all of the films that I listed are available through the Family History Library and you can order them at your local Family History Center. While they may be hard to read and in some cases the information may be difficult to locate on the film, it is really the ONLY way to do serious genealogy. Taking information from books is often unreliable and leads to selective "borrowing" of research rather than original research focused on what you are genuinely interested in. Genealogy is not easy work, but if you have the passion and will, you need to just stick to it. It gets easier reading the handwriting and scanning through films as time goes on.

The baptisms should be organized chronologically so they should be easy to find. The informacion matrimonial will likewise be chronological and since you don't have the date, you will have to spend some time scanning the probably year range but it will be well worth it once you find the information. The dispensa matrimonial (Sagrada Mitra) is a bit disorganized but I can send you context information that should make it easier to find the right section of the film.

The way I found all of this information was simply by using the Films section of the Nuestros Ranchos website, which has all of the batch numbers for Pinos, Zacatecas listed. Just click on the IGI button next to any of them and it will give you all of the names on the film, then you can limit the list of names by surname, father's name, etc.

The Sagrada Mitra entry is from Luz Montejano's book which is probably the singular most valuable publication for genealogists focused on our region.

I am glad that I could be of help. I only ask that as your research progresses you share it with others. A sort of gift forward. One crucial step for this is learning to organize the information in a manner that is useful for others.

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas (Part IV)

Comment

Arturo,

Again, many thanks!!!!!! I AM familiar with the types of records you mentioned, as I had my genealogy, backto the DARK AGES, if you can believe that, done by CHRIS RENDON. He is extremely knowledgable, like you, He is coordinator, or something like that, for SAGA. I actually met him in SANTA BARBARA last year, and hope to see him again in Spring..

You sent me a gold mine. And, yes, I would be most happy to share all I have - 10 generations, so I am going to do what you suggest and hope I can do it.I have been working on this name for years so I cannot just let it go. Once these people got to Tamaulipas in the early 1700's, it was almost like a piece of cake.

I am just jumping with joy!! Thanks!

Juanita G. Delgado

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbarturoramos wrote:

Juanita (and other new members):

Once you start seeing the way the software organizes and reports the information you will start seeing the logic behind them.

The Sagrada Mitra entry is from Luz Montejano's book which is probably the singular most valuable publication for genealogists focused on our region.

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

Arturo,

I was so excited to read your information I forgot to ask some pertinent questions.

Are the films you mention from LDS?

I do realize the amount of time and deciphering you have to do with those films. I ordered one film and it was sent to Santa Barbara and I have to be honest. I did not stay long enough on it. It was not the best film. But I will certainly give it another shot.I am really very
interested in getting to the roots. The rest was sort of easy, tracing the DELGADO that came down to the TEXAS COAST, to TAMAULIPAS, NUEVO LEON and then ZACATECAS.
I found great information in the book FUNDADORES de NUEVO LEON, in our library.

Another question: In the Expediente 99, Informacion matrimonial: Juana Delgado Valenzuela, originaria de la Arjonilla, Obispado de Jaen en los Reinos de Castilla.Where would that be? Spain, or in New Spain?

Also, how did you retrieve this information so fast? Now you can see how "dumb" I am.

Juanita G. Delgado

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

JOSEPH FRANCISCO DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 03 DEC 1684 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONA DE CHAVEZ
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

Arturo,

Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now, I'll never be finished".

I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780 census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ. When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ, brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure do tell a lot.

And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA, who
married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall with his ancestry, but found lots on her.

You are so right.

Thanks for listening.

Juanita G. Delgado

juanita delgado wrote:
Arturo,

I was so excited to read your information I forgot to ask some pertinent questions.

Are the films you mention from LDS?

Also, how did you retrieve this information so fast? Now you can see how "dumb" I am.

Juanita G. Delgado

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

JOSEPH FRANCISCO DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 03 DEC 1684 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONA DE CHAVEZ
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?

Your newest prima,

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:06 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Arturo,

Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
I'll never be finished".

I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
do tell a lot.

And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
who
married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
with his ancestry, but found lots on her.

You are so right.

Thanks for listening.

Juanita G. Delgado

Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

JOSIE, MI PRIMA,

SOMETIMES I THINK I TALK TOO MUCH, BUT I SEE IT PAYS OFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!i IF I HADN'T DISCUSSED THAT PART WITH ARTURO, WE MIGHT NEVER HAVE KNOWN WE ARE ALSO RELATED IN ANOTHER WAY. SHUCKS!!!! LIKE MY SON SAYS(HE'S NOT TOO MUCH IN GENEALOGY), MOM, WE KNOW WE ARE ALL RELATED - LIKE THINK, ADAM AND EVE. LAUGH PLEASE. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE DOING YOUR OWN FINDINGS AND RESEARCH TO REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT IS GOING DOWN ON PAPER.
I HAVE HAD PEOPLE LOOK AT MY PAPERS AND THEY GO, WOW!, BUT IT CAN'T MEAN THE SAME TO THEM AS IT MEANS TO ME. I JUST LOVE, LOVE THESE PEOPLE I AM FINDING, FROM ONE OR TWO HUNDRED YEARS BACK. ACTUALLY, I WILL CONFESS THAT IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES WHEN I DISCOVER SOMEONE NEW, I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT THEM, AND HAVE PICTURES, ETC. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEIR NAMES WILL HAVE TO SUFFICE, BUT I WRITE OUT WHAT I DO KNOW ABOUT THEM WITH SOMEWHAT A REVERENCE FOR THEM. MY ANCESTORS.

YES, WE'LL COMMUNITATE PRIVATELY.

TU PRIMA JUANITA

"Josie T. Trevino" wrote:
Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?

Your newest prima,

Josie in San Antonio

Arturo,

Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
I'll never be finished".

I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
do tell a lot.

And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
who
married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
with his ancestry, but found lots on her.

You are so right.

Thanks for listening.

Juanita G. Delgado

Newest Prima!!!: was- Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

Prima, Prima, yes time to tune up the guitarones and for John Robles to
get the band together there is some celebrating to do as another
connection has been made.

Many many many congratulations to you Juanita and Josie for finding each
other. Families that had been lost for 200 years have found each other.

who's making the menudo?

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Josie T. Trevino wrote:
> Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
> my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
> our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?
>
> Your newest prima,
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
> delgado
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:06 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas
>
> Arturo,
>
> Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
> avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
> I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
> I'll never be finished".
>
> I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
> census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
> When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
> brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
> do tell a lot.
>
> And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
> who
> married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
> with his ancestry, but found lots on her.
>
> You are so right.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Juanita G. Delgado
>
>
>

Newest Prima!!!: was- Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Comment

I make a mean pot of menudo, Joseph........let me know when you are down in
San Antonio and I will fire up the stove!

Josie

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:31 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Newest Prima!!!: was- Delgados of Pinos,
Zacatecas

Prima, Prima, yes time to tune up the guitarones and for John Robles to get
the band together there is some celebrating to do as another connection has
been made.

Many many many congratulations to you Juanita and Josie for finding each
other. Families that had been lost for 200 years have found each other.

who's making the menudo?

joseph

Tepatitlan de Morelos

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----- Original Message -----

From: "juanita delgado"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:12 PM

> Vi con interes de el libro, "Retonos de Espana en Nueva Galicia" que

Saving and storing records

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Like many of you I wish I had known back then what I know now abt saving and citing records.. I am learning from my mistakes and only making new mistakes!

My husband had repeatedly told me to back my files up in a place other than my laptop but I didn't listen so when I turned off my virus scanner and got a worm that wiped out everthing I had entered in the last 6 months I was very depressed.. I had my records from previously backing up 6 months before on a different computer. I lost photo's that I'd taken 2 years collecting from relatives on visits to California and I lost almost 5,000 names. Luckily I did still have the film records so it's been a matter of re-entering them for the past 6 months, a very hard task since I'm not sure what I entered during that time making going over the film notes one by one..

inquistion

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As I went through a few days of emails I noticed questions about the Inquistion I might have some leads for you.
On Sephardic . com the man who hosts the site has cumulated huge book of persons, He used to be very good about e-mailing names in certain locals if he found them in his research. Their are also lists of surnames and how many times in history and it is a good spring board.

Tepititlan de Morelos

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When was this place established in Jalisco? On IGI I found a possible match in my ancestry.

Ancelmo Rubio Hernandez
Parents: Juan Manuel Rubio & Juliana Hernandez
Wife: Guadalupe Diaz Gutierrez

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Tepititlan de Morelos

Comment

De acuerdo con el libro "Cronología Tepatitlense" de Francisco Gallegos Franco:
En 1530 llegó el Capitán Pedro Almindez Chirinos con sus huestes españolas a Tepatitlán que en aquel entonces estaba habitado por los Tecuexes bajo el mando del cacique Mapelo ( Mapilli ), quien los recibió en son de paz, acompañandolos a los territorios de los indios Zacatecos y aceptando el bautizo católico tanto para él como para sus súbditos.

Según información obtenida oralmente en el museo de la ciudad de Tepatitlán en Noviembre de 2007:
En 1550 llegaron 117 familias españolas a colonizar por encomienda real la región de los Altos de Jalisco incluido Tepatitlán y por más de 250 años evitaron mezclarse con indigenas, judios y erejes ( otras religiones ). Tal vez después de la Guerra de Independencia, poco a poco se fué perdiendo ese prejuicio que sin embargo no ha desaparecido por completo.

Una lista de las dichas 117 familias aparece en el libro "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" de Mariano González Leal, Tomo II

Saludos
Bertha

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Tepititlan de Morelos

Comment

Hola,

Vi con interes de el libro, "Retonos de Espana en Nueva Galicia" que incluye los nombres
de las primeras familias.

Busco a familias DELGADO, CONTRERAS, MARTIN, MELCALIN.

Si tiene Ud. el libro, me puede hacer el favor de buscar estas familias en ese libro?

Le anticipo las gracias.

JUanita G. Delgado

Bertha Medina de Boehm wrote:

Una lista de las dichas 117 familias aparece en el libro "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" de Mariano González Leal, Tomo II

Saludos
Bertha

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Tepititlan de Morelos

Comment

De acuerdo con el libro "Cronología Tepatitlense" de Francisco Gallegos
Franco:
En 1530 llegó el Capitán Pedro Almindez Chirinos con sus huestes españolas a
Tepatitlán que en aquel entonces estaba habitado por los Tecuexes bajo el
mando del cacique Mapelo ( Mapilli ), quien los recibió en son de paz,
acompañandolos a los territorios de los indios Zacatecos y aceptando el
bautizo católico tanto para él como para sus súbditos.

Según información obtenida oralmente en el museo de la ciudad de Tepatitlán
en Noviembre de 2007:
En 1550 llegaron 117 familias españolas a colonizar por encomienda real la
región de los Altos de Jalisco incluido Tepatitlán y por más de 250 años
evitaron mezclarse con indigenas, judios y erejes ( otras religiones ). Tal
vez después de la Guerra de Independencia, poco a poco se fué perdiendo ese
prejuicio que sin embargo no ha desaparecido por completo.
Una lista de las dichas 117 familias aparece en el libro "Retoños de España
en la Nueva Galicia" de Mariano González Leal, Tomo II

Saludos

Bertha

----- Original Message -----
From: "mormonboy74"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tepititlan de Morelos

>
> When was this place established in Jalisco? On IGI I found a possible
> match in my ancestry.
>
> Ancelmo Rubio Hernandez
> Parents: Juan Manuel Rubio & Juliana Hernandez
> Wife: Guadalupe Diaz Gutierrez
> Parents: Josse Diaz & Gertrudis Gutierrez
> Marriage: 29 May 1805
> Place: Tepititlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
>
> Any help with this? Will be appreciated.
>

BANCROFT LIBRARY

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HELLO, THERE,

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF MEXICAN PARISH RECORDS ARE ACCESSABLE THROUGH THE BANCROFT LIBRARY?

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!

JUANITA G. DELGADO

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Availability of Mexican Parrish Records

Comment

I believe that there is only one library not affiliated with the Family History Library in Salt Lake that has interlibrary loan privileges to their films. I can't remember which library it is at the moment.

There are films that were filmed by organizations other than the Utah Genealogical Society (whose records the Family History Library holds) and these may be available at other libraries, but your best bet is to simply go to a local family history center.

Bancroft Library

Comment

>
> Hello Juanita,

I only recall hearing that some of the AGN and AER archives are available on
microfilm. They also have some of the original Mexican Inquisition
documents on microfilm. You can check out their catalog online using
Pathfinder to see what else they might have. Here is the link:
http://sunsite5.berkeley.edu:8000/

Maria E. Cortez

------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:38:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BANCROFT LIBRARY
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <333308.41611.qm@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> HELLO, THERE,
>
> DOES ANYONE KNOW IF MEXICAN PARISH RECORDS ARE ACCESSABLE THROUGH THE
> BANCROFT LIBRARY?
>
> THANKS!!!!!!!!!!
>
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>
> ------------------------------
>

Bancroft Library

Comment

Dear Maria:
Do you know if any of the books are available for viewing online at Bancroft and if so, how do you do this. I was on the site, but could not figure out how to look at any of the books on the inquisition.

Maureen Bejar

Bancroft Library

Comment

I recently ran across the Google book search engine which has all sorts of
books online- some are reprinted in full, others have a snippet view. If you
google "google books" that should take you to their search engine.

>From: Maureen Bejar
>Reply-To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bancroft Library
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:09:51 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>Dear Maria:
> Do you know if any of the books are available for viewing online at
>Bancroft and if so, how do you do this. I was on the site, but could not
>figure out how to look at any of the books on the inquisition.
>
>Maureen Bejar

Bancroft Library

Comment

Hello Maureen,

I don't know if they have any digitzed copies available for viewing online. I have never tried looking for that. The Mexican Inquisition records they hold are the original documents. They don't allow the originals to be handled by the public, but they have microfilmed them. If a copy of a microfilm has already been made it can be requested by interlibrary loan. However, they have very strict requirements and only loan to certain libraries. If you can't get it through your local library they give you the option of purchasing a copy of the microfilm for $40.00 plus the cost of shipping. For a description of this collection follow this link: http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/collections/latinamericana/inquisition.html

I have viewed this particular microfilm before and can tell you that the book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia" contains extractions from it.

Maria

Bancroft Library

Comment

Dear Maria:
Thank you for the tip. I will check at my local library. They have a large genealogy section, so I may be in luck. I need to do a little more research to get me back a little further first, but this just adds research areas to my to do list!

Hi David Serna

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Hello, I was hoping if you, when you have time if you could look up some things for me on one of the calvillo films you have on infinite loan.

Eugenio Camino & Dolores Martinez
11 Jul 1849
Calvillo, Ags.

Elizalde

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I found my 4th great grandfather two days ago.

Ramon Elizalde
Married 1824
in Calvillo, Ags. Mexico
Born abt. 1804

Can anyone help me? Any help is appreciated. (Well If I order the film I

Comments

Elizalde in Calvillo

Comment

Daniel:

Can you give us some more information about the marriage? Who did Ramon marry and what was the exact marriage date? David Serna has the Calvillo marriage film for that year on indefinite loan, but there is no Ramon Elizalde on that film. Where did you get the marriage information.

Also, you should not assume that he was born 20 years before the marriage since people often remarried, sometimes very late in life.

I was just looking at your folder and was having a very hard time understanding who is whose parents. Can you try adding this information in there and putting the information into a pedigree or Ahnentafel chart?

More Info.

Comment

I got this info on IGI and the reasaon I know without a doubt that its them is that I already had a Ramon Elizalde and Anastacia Duran.

Ramon Elizalde and Anastacia Duran
Marriage: 25 Jul 1824
San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico

And Arturo I understand and I dont blame you that you couldn't understand my genealogy. I too at first thought it was strange. My family very well intermarried with only spanish families, They wouldn't marry mestizos for some reason. So far in my research, I've never seen "so and so" a mestizo on any records. It's usually Espanol for the
people. Which probably eplains why I have skin lighter than a white man.

Elizalde and Duran in Calvillo

Comment

Daniel:

I see the entry in IGI now. It looks like the transcriber had a thing for reptiles... Ramon Lizardo... that is a good one. Anyhow I easily found it with Anastacia Duran's name.

If you go into the Films database, you will see that another member has that film on indefinite loan at their local FHC. Perhaps if you ask him, he may look up the entry for you and save you having to order the film. However if you suspect that you will be looking up more things on the same film, it is worth the $16 investment to order it and keep it at your local FHC.

Elizalde and Duran in Calvillo

Comment

Daniel:

I should also apologize about the comments I made about your genealogy being a bit confusing. I just noticed that you have your genealogy in the GEDCOM database and is there a lot of information in there! It looks great.

It might be helpful to other users if you could put a note in your folder just stating that your information is available in the GEDCOM library.

Thanks for sharing yoru discoveries with the group.

La Programa: PAF - Para Los Miembros Nuevos!!!

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Previamente Arturo explico, que es imperativo que cada genealogia
presentada a "NuestroRanchos" por cada miembro debe de cumplir
precisamente con el "standard". Esto es necesario porque algunas

Standarizing Your Genealogy Submission

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As Arturo has already mentioned there is a great need to standardize the
submissions from the newest group members. If you go to these new
submissions within their folders sometimes it is very difficult to

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Standarizing Your Genealogy Submission

Comment

But those of us with MACs cannot use that. Now what? Marge:)
On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> As Arturo has already mentioned there is a great need to standardize
> the
> submissions from the newest group members. If you go to these new
> submissions within their folders sometimes it is very difficult to
> understand who is who because of the way the information is entered.
>
> If you are a new member and just started your research you need to
> start
> working toward standardizing your information within a genealogy
> program. One very good and FREE option is PAF.
>
> Go to the www.familysearch.org site
> (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/Welcome/
> simplePAFRegistration.asp)
> and download a free copy of PAF and start entering in your data. PAF
> will help you be more organized and later we can then resubmit your PAF
> assisted file.
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
>
>

Genealogy Reports on Macs

Comment

Marge:

The descendancy charts in your file folder are beautiful and so full of information that I you need not worry about fixing or improving them. I believe Joseph was refering to people who have simply listed names without a way of tracking relationships between the names in any coherent manner and/or without dates or locations.

But the fact that you have such beautiful reports and use a Mac brings up an interesting question... what software did you use to produce your charts?

There is a site dedicated to Mac genealogy software:

http://www.macgenealogy.org/

Among the software they list is Personal Ancestry Writer II, which is basically software produced to take over the PAF Mac version project after the LDS abandoned supporting it and still provides the software for free:

http://www.lanopalera.net./Genealogy/AboutPAWriter.html

Also, any member can have a personal tree created in the GEDCOM database where they can enter their data so that it is organized and displayed in standard formats. The software produces printable reports as well, though they are not as pretty as those that come out of PAF or FamilyTreeMaker.
http://www.macgenealogy.org/personal-ancestry-writer-ii-pawriter/

Protecting Genealogical Information

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I would just like to say a word of caution. While each of us is probably meticulously referencing our work, we may want to safeguard that information. While it is good to share with those you know are researching the same family and as we know two, three and four researcher sharing information work more efficiently and avoid duplication of the same work, please err on the side of caution. I ran into a woman who regularly publishes her information and she said she knows a someone who sent her information, which was years and years of research, into a website complete with references and someone else took credit for her work. Of course individuals may not care if this happens, but then I felt I should just post a warning.

Maureen Bejar

Protecting Genealogical Information

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Maureen, you bring up a very good illustration of the goals of doing genealogy work.. We all have a different agenda on our reasons for putting in years and years of work researching records. It's alway nice when someone credits us with what we've shared with them, some will and others won't, that's the reality of putting it online for others to find. Some do the work and offer their records and research skills for a fee, that's a good thing, I'm always happy to pay for someone else's time if necessary.

When we join a group like Nuestros Ranchos we know that some in the group fit into every catagory, I'm okay with that because of what others have freely shared here I've advanced my own personal research but it's a good reminder to always give credit where it belongs.

Personally I'm in the share for free group and do put my research online in the hopes that my work will help someone else who doesn't have the time or money to reconnect with thier family history. I get e-mails almost daily from people online trying to learn how to find records, do research and learn about thier Mexican ancestors.. We open a door for so many to get started, hopefully what I share is just a start for them and they will just use it as a foundation to further their knowledge and research skills.

I do thank you for the reminder to give credit where credit is due..
Linda in Everett

Maureen Bejar wrote:

Maureen Bejar

Protecting Genealogical Information

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I did forget another thing I should have said abt sharing our work online.

I want to thank Steve Campos for all the research he's shared on Familysearch.com. He has helped me link more lines together than any other person sharing info online. I sent him a thank you but never heard from him but now I see his name in our files list.. So, Steve I can't tell you how much you've inspired me to share for the joy of sharing and helping others. You have been a mentor to me without even knowing it. Your example has truly been inspiring.

Thank you again, Linda in Everett

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First of all let me apologize for writing in English. I do not speak
Spanish. I also do not know what you wrote to Nuestros Ranchos, but
the names are familiar.

My father was Jose Ramon Romero de la Torre, son of Castulo Romero

Club Colotlan in Chicago

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Can't vouch for the individuals in this club as I've never met them.
Just FYI:

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Subject: Camión para deportistas
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:24:59 -0600
From: Municipio de Colotlan

Members Genealogies: Thanks Arturo!!!

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Wow everyone should have a look at the files and members genealogies

Arturo has put a lot of work into making that easier for people to find
each other. It is now alphabitized and so nice looking.

New Member Genealogy Listing - Nuevo Listado de Genealogias de Miembros

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(Espanol sigue abajo)

Our membership has grown substantially over the last year. We now have over 150 members, and due to Joseph's diligence, we now have genealogies from every member. This made the Members' Genealogy folder listing a bit long and difficult to use so we have decided to split it up into multiple pages and add alphabetical markers on each of the pages.

New Email

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Hello, I want to let everyone one I've changed my email address

danielalejandromendezcamino@ldstalk.com

Barba surname/Jalostotitlan/folder

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Hello! I added a folder in member´s genealogy section. Is a piece or Barba surname from Jalostotitlan, Jal.

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Castellanos

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Ando buscando conectar con parientes mios por medio de los apellidos Castellanos, Barba, Diaz y Nario

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Castellanos

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Hola Rafael:

Mi Abuelita era Sara Castellanos Romero, tengo sangre de los
Castellanos,
de Barba tambien tengo pero lejanamente, tambien soy descendiente del
genearca
de los Barba, Francisco Muñoz de la Barba, Diaz y Nario no tengo.

Como le hacemos para ver si somos parientes y comparar nuestras
genealogias.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 5/02/07, RafaelCastellanos escribió:
>
>
> Ando buscando conectar con parientes mios por medio de los apellidos
> Castellanos, Barba, Diaz y Nario

Castellanos

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Hola Tomas,

Que gusto me dio ver tu email...no se por que, pero me suena como que si
eres pariente por lo Castellanos ...de casualidad no conoces a Aurelia
Castellanos Romero ?? Dame mas datos de ti y te podre decir como somos
parientes...me gustaria conocerte.

Mis abuelitos eran:

Jose Refugio (Cayano) Castellanos-Barba
Maria Del Refugio Barba-Barba

Luego te doy mas informacion...

Gracias,

Rafael Castellanos-Castellanos

Castellanos

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Hola Rafael,

Yo tengo un poco de Castellanos y Barba en mi sangre, aunque no tanto como
Gonzalez, Martin, Navarro y Camarena del Cerro Gordo, la Capilla, Valle y
Tepa.

Una de mis tatarabuelas fue Maria Dolores Castellanos, hija de Pedro
Castellano, nieta de José Victoriano Castellano, bisnieta de Antonio
Castellano, todos de Tepa y Capilla.

Por lo Barba tuve dos tatarabuelos de ese apellido. José Franco Barba,
(Valle de Guadalupe) hijo de Maria Francisca Barba Gonzalez, nieto de Thomas
Barba Villaseñor, bisnieto de Joseph Toribio Munoz de la Barba, tataranieto
de Diego Munoz de la Barba...etc

También por Antonio Rafael Martín Barba, (Tepa) hijo de Maria del Rosario
Barba Casillas, nieto de Juan José Munoz de la Barba Rodríguez, bisnieto de
Salvador Manuel Munoz de la Barba, tataranieto de Diego Munoz de la
barba...etc.

rickrod.com@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
RafaelCastellanos
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:24 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castellanos

Ando buscando conectar con parientes mios por medio de los apellidos
Castellanos, Barba, Diaz y Nario

Hola Rafael,Yo tengo un

Comment

Hola Rafael,

Yo tengo un poco de Castellanos y Barba en mi sangre, aunque no tanto como Gonzalez, Martin, Navarro y Camarena del Cerro Gordo, la Capilla, Valle y Tepa.

Una de mis tatarabuelas fue Maria Dolores Castellanos, hija de Pedro Castellano, nieta de José Victoriano Castellano, bisnieta de Antonio Castellano, todos de Tepa y Capilla.

Por lo Barba tuve dos tatarabuelos de ese apellido. José Franco Barba, (Valle de Guadalupe) hijo de Maria Francisca Barba Gonzalez, nieto de Thomas Barba Villaseñor, bisnieto de Joseph Toribio Munoz de la Barba, tataranieto de Diego Munoz de la Barba...etc

También por Antonio Rafael Martín Barba, (Tepa) hijo de Maria del Rosario Barba Casillas, nieto de Juan José Munoz de la Barba Rodríguez, bisnieto de Salvador Manuel Munoz de la Barba, tataranieto de Diego Munoz de la barba...etc.

Saludos,

Ricardo

Tejano Leadership Conference is Live!!!

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I need a favor from all of you. Think of one organization interested in
Texas or Latin American History and tell them about this new conference
that just went live on the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast

Expedia.com Map from Joseph Puentes

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personally respond to messages sent to this address.
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The following is a message from Joseph Puentes:
hi John,

I'm guessing that the name was originally Ojo de Agua de Rosales. Here it is on this map. I would place by place do a place search on the www.familysearch.org site and see which closest location was big enough to support a church.

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Puentes

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Does anyone in the group have Puentes or Puente in their family that are
currently living today. I mean somewhere in your genealogy you know that
a Puente or Puentes line ties into your family and you happen to know
living Puentes today that are from that Puente line? REason???: I want
to try to do Y-DNA with those Puentes to see if we're related.

I know that several have this surname but I don't know if you know
people living today with that name that you know are related to you.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Puentes

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Hi Joseph! Long time!!!
Anyway, did you say you wanted scans of documents we had copied, like, any
scans, or did you want specific areas?
I have some good ones from Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas of my
great-grandfather, ggg, gggs, etc.
(By the way, I also posted a new pic in my file of him, Baudelio Aguirre,
born 1885). Let me know and I'll scan what
I have....
thanks, take care!

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:33 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Puentes

I know that several have this surname but I don't know if you know
people living today with that name that you know are related to you.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Scans of Documents

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Peggy:

Good to see you posting again. We missed you there for a while. It was me who asked for people to post scans and old photos. I am hoping to do some upgrades to the site over the next few months and I would like to get the site to be more genealogy-looking and to include scans and photos of actual members from around our area. Now the site's logo is based on random photos and scans that I had (only from Totatiche)...

Any recent breakthroughs?

Thank you for the documents and photos.

Scans of Documents

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Hi Arturo!
Yes, in the past year I found that my maternal grandmother's family, which I
thought was only from Coahuila (Sierra Mojada) actually came from Noria de
Angeles, Zacatecas! I was very happy about because I now feel deeply deeply
rooted to that state (Zacatecas). So, do you want the scans of civil
registro records? I can scan my documents (birth records) that I have from
Noria de Angeles and Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, too, if you'd
like.....oh, and the photo of my great grandfather, Baudelio Aguirre, is
from Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman.

I missed posting, too, although I faithfully read all the emails from my
fellow researchers every day. I even may have found a link with fellow
member George Godoy...I have Godoy in my paternal line...so that was very
cool.

How would you include that scans/photos? That very cool and I appreciate
all the work you put into the site.

Peggy Delgado

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]On Behalf Of
arturoramos
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:29 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Scans of Documents

Peggy:

Good to see you posting again. We missed you there for a while. It was me
who asked for people to post scans and old photos. I am hoping to do some
upgrades to the site over the next few months and I would like to get the
site to be more genealogy-looking and to include scans and photos of actual
members from around our area. Now the site's logo is based on random photos
and scans that I had (only from Totatiche)...

Any recent breakthroughs?

Thank you for the documents and photos.

Use of Photos and Scans

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Peggy, et al.

I am basically looking to pull interesting text (names of places and perhaps certain key phrases) out of the documents and to create collages out of the photos. Ideally I will have so many that we can rotate the collage either randomly or from time to time...

I would basically like to make the site look more professional and sophisticated and to have it reflect the collective research and history of its members... i.e. it is much better to have photos of our actual ancestors than of random people from stock photos, don't you think?

Puentes

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I don't have Puente in my family line but I do know a family living in
California with that last name...would you like to be connected to them???

Puentes

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I don't have Puente in my family line but I do know a family living in
California with that last name...would you like to be connected to them???

Rafael Castellanos
_prgatoloco@aol.com_ (mailto:prgatoloco@aol.com)

Puentes

Comment

sure pass on the information and I'll call or email them. Are there
roots from Jalisco? Are they from Long Beach? I know the Puentes in Long
Beach, Fresno, San Jose, and Oregon.

thanks much,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Prgatoloco@aol.com wrote:
> I don't have Puente in my family line but I do know a family living in
> California with that last name...would you like to be connected to them???

Puentes

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Hi Joseph,

The family Puente that I know live in Hawaiian Gardens...I know one of the
daughters, who I graduated from High School in, her name is Maria Puente...I
believe she still lives there with her husband and children, as well as her
parents. I remember her telling me that she is from Jalisco. So as soon as
I see her, I will ask her for her phone number or email and then I will pass
it on to you..ok??

Rafael Castellanos

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Cristina do you have a connection in Calvillo for your Avila line? Who is your earliest and latest Avila?

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Hi, there. You know, that is a good question. :-) I don't know of any family on my father's side coming from Aguascalientes, but hey! What do I know? I am having trouble getting information on my Ávila ancestry. I've only got my great-grandfather's name (Jesús Ávila) because my mother gave it to me (Funny since she's not even an Ávila, but my father would never have known that about his own grandfather!!!). I cannot find any info. on him or his ancestors on familysearch so I suppose it's time to start doing the real work at a FHC. I am too new at this and have not started that type of research. If I find any connections in Aguascalientes, I will definitely get with you to compare "notes." Maybe there are some other "Ávilas" out there that can share with us to try to find any connections.

Cristina

mormonboy74 wrote:

Cristina do you have a connection in Calvillo for your Avila line? Who is your earliest and latest Avila?

Avila in Calvillo

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By the way, other than my father, I only have his father, José Ávila Álva, and HIS father, Jesús Ávila, married to Concepción Álva, from what I've been told. Jesús was most likely from El Plateado (de General Amaro) in Zacatecas as was my grandfather, José. I do not know beyond that point (guesstimating around 1900-1910) where my Ávila line came from...

La Plus Belle wrote: Hi, there. You know, that is a good question. :-) I don't know of any family on my father's side coming from Aguascalientes, but hey! What do I know? I am having trouble getting information on my Ávila ancestry. I've only got my great-grandfather's name (Jesús Ávila) because my mother gave it to me (Funny since she's not even an Ávila, but my father would never have known that about his own grandfather!!!). I cannot find any info. on him or his ancestors on familysearch so I suppose it's time to start doing the real work at a FHC. I am too new at this and have not started that type of research. If I find any connections in Aguascalientes, I will definitely get with you to compare "notes." Maybe there are some other "Ávilas" out there that can share with us to try to find any connections.

Cristina

mormonboy74 wrote:

Cristina do you have a connection in Calvillo for your Avila line? Who is your earliest and latest Avila?

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