Nuestros Ranchos Site

Lyman Platt has a series of publications that more or less track the development of ecclesiastical and political divisions in Mexico:

http://www.infowest.com/personal/l/lplatt/platt.html

Vol. 2 Mexico, General Guide:Political Divisions.$14.95. Soft cover, taped binding, 8½ x 11.

This 85-page volume includes a detailed historical analysis of the development of political boundaries in modern Mexico, and those areas of the United States that used to belong to the Viceroyalty of Mexico. All known civil jurisdictions are identified from the first colonial divisions up until the organization of municipalities in the independence era, and then only the development of the various states is discussed. A complete index of these divisions at the end of the book allows the researcher to trace where ancestral homes might have been located based on this development. This understanding would permit the researcher to find records important to their genealogy.

Vol. 3 Mexico, General Guide: Ecclesiastical Divisions $34.95. Soft cover, taped binding, 8½ x 11. 256 pages, revised.

This book, available in both English and Spanish, includes a brief ecclesiastical history of Mexico, including a study of diocesan and archdiocesan development for all of Mexico up through 1912. The major portion of the book treats individual parishes for all of the ancient Viceroyalty of Mexico, including Alta California, Arizona, Nuevo Mexico, and Texas. The Federal District is divided by its various delegations and includes a comprehensive, first-ever analysis of the parishes of Mexico City proper.

In the history section there are some new entries:

Here On Earth did a great podcast that is available only with Real
Player which can be downloaded free:

Here On Earth (http://www.wpr.org/HereOnEarth/)

Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment

===> http://clipcast.wpr.org:8080/ramgen/wpr/hoe/hoe050501j.rm (Real
Player Only)

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And again if you haven't listened to the podcast in Spanish: "En La
Historia" there are quite a few podcasts available in the history section:

===> "33. Juegos de azar y algo más...EN LA HISTORIA. Parte II"

===> "32. Juegos de azar y algo más...EN LA HISTORIA. Parte I"

===> "31. La ciudad y la noche...En la historia"

===> "30. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un espejo de
cantera y arte (3)"

===> "29. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un espejo de
cantera y arte (2)"

===> "28. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un reflejo
de cantera y arte (1)"

===> "27. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (3)"

===> "26. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (2)"

===> "25. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (1)"

===> "24. De Tlacopan a Tacuba, la historia de algo más que una calle.
Segunda parte."

===> "23. De Tlacopan a Tacuba, historia de algo màs que una calle.
Primera parte."

===> "22. Otro rostro de nuestra historia: el arte culinario del
virreinato."

===> "21. Un kilómetro de oro y cinco siglos de historia: la calle de La
Moneda"

===> "20. Historia, música y tradición en una sola palabra: Guelaguetza"

===> "19. Pablo Benito Juárez García: el hombre"

===> "18. CARNAVAL O CARRUS NAVALIS"

===> "17. La historia de un imperio en Mesoamérica: Tenochtitlan"

===> "16. Un escudo, tres colores y una interesante historia: La bandera
Nacional."

===> "Una semilla milenaria que brinda alegría: el amaranto."

===> "Y el amor - ¿es puro cuento?"

===> "Los secretos de una excitante bebida: el café"

===> "De cantera gris y tezontle rojo. El Zócalo y su historia."

===> "Historia ¿para qué?."

===> "De reyes, sabios y magos. Una de las tradiciones más bellas EN LA
HISTORIA."

===> "Los festejos para un nuevo año EN LA HISTORIA"

===> "La navidad EN LA HISTORIA"

===> "De José Guadalupe a Salvador Rivera"

===> "Del pulque al vino tinto, sin olvidar la taberna"

===> "La Delicia de cada Noviembre"

===> "Día de Muertos"

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Have a listen to the "Low Riders" poem by Jim Moreno in the Poetry
section of the NFU podcast:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/poetry.html

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While in the Poetry section listen to a Pablo Neruda poem translated and
read by Frank Moreno Sifuentes, "It Remains Prohibited"

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/poetry.html

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also there follows many new Cuentos de Kiko in the Oral History area:

Some new podcasts by Frank Moreno Sifuentes:

===> "Las Lagrimas de Mama Grande Juanita - 1938" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Mama Grande Lupe - Influenza" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "1915 - Mexican Immigrant" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Immigrantes Mejicanos" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Day Roosevelt Died - 1944" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "With Due Respect to Erma Bombeck" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Black Squad - 1948" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "From Drive By Shootings to Toxic Clouds" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "My Unusual Birth - 1932" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Three Musketeers" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Early School Memories - 1938" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Chrismas Memories - 1943 - Losers Weepers Finders Keepers" by
Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "El Lote Grande de Nuestra Vecinidad" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Shoe Shine Boy in a White Man's Barber Shop - 1945" by Frank
Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Canicas Con Stella by Starlight" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Pedro Chaisse - Mexican Immigrant 1924" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Canicas Con Connie Castillo - Christmas 1947" by Frank Moreno
Sifuentes
===> "My Personal Resolve - Korean War Revisit" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Halloween Night - 1944" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "It Remains Prohibited" by Pablo Neruda
===> "Japanese Love Goddess - 1951" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "La Calle Ancha Del Pasado" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "La Nieve" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Las Cucarachas" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Las Lindas Mujeres" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "My Testimony To The 9-11 Event" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Puppy Love At A Distance - 1945" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Bean Contest" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:37:50 EDT
> From: Latina1955@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea....we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn't inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality....I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango....but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:47:39 -0600
> From: "Jose Aguayo"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
> To: , "Alicia Carrillo"
>
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>
> Hola Sra. Carillo:
> I am a new member of the group with special interest in the Zacatecan
> cities
> you noted in your dream tour. I would be interested in going if someone
> organizes such a tour. Keep me informed if your plans grow legs.
> Jose Aguayo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alicia Carrillo"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
>
>
> > Vamonos Helyn,
> >
> > And anyone else in the group. Helyn and I were dream
> > talking..........while dream talking we were putting together a group
> tour
> > to Mexico. We would hire a group van and driver to take us to our
> > collective ancestral cities or towns such as Tlaltenango, Momax,
> Colotlan,
> > Jalpa, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Teocaltiche, Nochistlan etc etc.
> >
> > When we went for my brother's wedding in Guadalajara in 1997, my husband
> > hired the van driver at the airport. The driver hired someone to take
> his
> > place for those 7 days. We rented a suburban, came back, picked him up
> > allowing him time to pack his bags and notify his family that he would
> be
> > away for 7 days.
> >
> > While most of the time was spent either in or close to Guadalajara, we
> did
> > go to Tonala, Nochistlan, Tlachichila and Zapotlanejo. We paid for his
> > meals and lodging if outside of Guadalajara, if in Guadalajara he went
> > home for the evening.
> >
> > So you see this dream talking has legs, it is doable if we think this is
> > something we might want to do.
> >
> > The dreamer,
> > Alicia
>

Alicia,

I would be most available during the last two weeks of July, early August (I
am a teacher who takes classes and am assuming some leadership
responsibilities within our district throughout early summer). This trip would fulfill my
dreams not only personally, but professionally as well (particularly if
Esteban Valedez does indeed commit to the group).

Most importantly, I get to meet "la prima Helyn" and the rest of this
wonderful, supportive cyber space community!

Esperanza Villarreal Luna
Chicagoland area

I have run into a few ancestors who moved to the Totatiche area from Gutierre de Aguila in the early 1700s. I remember discussing with someone that the name of this town had changed to Villanueva (Zacatecas). I was looking through the films for Villanueva and it seems that the early years of that parrish are missing... the only films available appear to be informaciones matrimoniales.

Has anyone looked at Villanueva films? Am I correct that is the modern name of Gutierre de Aguila? What other jurisdiccions might people have been baptized in if they were born on an Hacienda in the region of Gutierre de Aguila?

http://www.youtube.com/v/tAq3hWBlalU

not sure if you'll be able to access this funny video without a high
speed connection but its pretty funny and interesting how they adapted
this to a Spanish song.

joseph

ps: isn't the accordian orignally a Jalisco or Zacatecas instrument? Or
was it Aguascalientes? hmmm I guess you can see what is involved in
making a message go from out in space to being even just a little bit
related to the subject.

What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group? What is going on with the groups quietness?
Do miss hearing from you all.

In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez, I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.

Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above mentioned line.

On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820. Very interesting...

Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
Saludos, Helyn

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Did you get a chance to read my message about not having the usernames and passwords for DreamHost or the FTP login anymore because my drive crashed?

I remember that the username for FTP is lafamilia... but that is about it.

Are the films that are listed under the "film," tab, without a batch number, does that denote that a batch is not available for that given film?
Pat

1123 Cuando se convalida un matrimonio para el fuero externo, o es declarado nulo, o se disuelve legítimamente por una causa distinta de la muerte, debe comunicarse esta circunstancia al párroco del lugar donde se celebró el matrimonio, para que se haga como está mandado la anotación en los registros de matrimonio y de bautismo.

>From the Codigo Canonico ---

Has anyone ever seen an "anotacion" in a marriage record that the marriage was later nullified (annuled)?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Mark Guerrero & Radio Aztlan, my nine piece band, will be
performing this Saturday afternoon, June 24th, from 4:30 to 6:30 at the
L.A. County Museum of Art (LACMA), outdoors in the park. It's part of a
summer concert series called "Latin Sounds." We'll be doing two sets of
my music, with two Lalo Guerrero songs in each set. It's free to the
public! For more info visit the following page on lacma's website:
http://www.lacma.org/programs/MusicPrograms.aspx#latin. Scroll down to
the Latin Sounds section. Hope to see you there. Address and contact
info of LACMA:
LACMA
5905 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles , CA 90036
323-857-6000
323-857-0098 (TDD)
www.lacma.org

www.fallingrain.com/world

This site even found the ghost town Bavicanora, Sonora, Mex where my father was raised. I have been to this ghost town 30 years ago and there was nothing living there, just a closed up mine. This privately sponsored gazetteer searches for places by nation or by letter of the alphabet.
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The previous site I sent is more complicated to get in IF you Log-on as a registered user. To find your towns neighbors, just go into the
"Select your location from our huge database" from the Anonymous Users link.

If you are interested in Stars and Satellites, then register. It is free.

Kitty Cortez
Rocklin CA
Lat Lon Ele
38.791 -121.235 78m

www.heavens-above.com

Found this website in Melinda Kashuba book "Walking With Your Ancestors" A Genealogist's Guide to Using Maps and Geography. She was our speaker at our June Roseville Genealogical Society meeting.

This is a privately maintained place-name database that adds an unusual twist: It can list the nearest neighboring town to a given location. The site request that you register, but you can use it anonymously. Once you have found your specific location in the database, request the nearest towns and the results will include the distance in kilometers, the name of the region they are in, the latitude and longitude and the elevation. The place-names included in this database appear to be modern and officially recognized. This is a terrific little tool to use to locate nearby towns that might have vital or church records for your ancestors.

Have fun

Kitty Cortez
Rocklin

I'm glad to hear there is a language option.

But if I missed it and I speak the language consider how difficult it might be for someone who doesn't read English.

Many sites have a button on the home page to choose from:

(((English)))) (((Espanol)))

For Ernie Alderete,

An old post of yours about Petronila MOCTEZUMA mentioned Anna VALADES Masias who married Jose Manuel ROMO DE VIVAR.
Could she be Anna MASIAS Valades, born btw 1710-1720 probably in Aguascalientes? I've come across this MASIAS-Valades or Balades combination occasionally in the records, sometimes as MASIAS-Valdez.

"My" Anna MASIAS Valades married Joseph Marcial MARQUES Trillo 14 Feb 1740 in Ags. It was his second marriage, he was born Jul 1705, also in Ags.

Hope this leads to a connection.

Gloria D.

"Triumphs and Tragedy," A History of the Mexican People, by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz is an excellant publication that features "the epic history of Mexico's tumultuous origin and development - from its Olmec, Aztec and Mayan heritage to its present-day." "One long tragedy intermittently punctuated by triumph." Professor Ruiz is a professor in the history department at the University of California - San Diego at La Jolla. Copyright 1992 by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz ..ISBN 0-393-03023-7 W.W. Norton & Company, Inc.
Ramom Eduardo Ruiz also has publications written in Spanish, one being The Great Rebellion: Mexico 1905 -1924 ( La gran rebelion: Mexico 1905-1924) .

Hi Prima,
The insurgentes were the Cristeros who were fighting for the
Church against the Government.
Irma

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2. Re: Zacatecas Films (Arturo Ramos)
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4. Re: Zacatecas Films (Patricia Corbera)
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7. Re: Places (Gloria)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:24:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patricia Corbera
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Films
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Santos, with viewing the films for Tlaltenango, do you recall seeing a
reference to Iglesia de Santo Tomas Apostol de Momax? My
father-in-law's birth record has the following information, but I've
been unable to locate the film for this parish so that I can located
birth records of his siblings.

Time frame: 1894
Rancho de Los Pintos...
En la Capilla de Momax, ayuda de Parrouquia de Tlaltenango.

Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank You,
Pat Silva Corbera

Santos Luna wrote:
I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for
Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to
the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any
records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for
Jerez, and Atolinga.

I have 6 films of death records, and 3 baptisms without batch numbers
for Tlaltenango. If I am able to find those batch numbers, then I will
add these films to the list.

Currently, I am at a "brick wall" with my research so, if I can be of
assistance, please do not hesitate to ask.
Saludos, Helyn

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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and
save big.

I would like to invite all the members of the group to visit the Albums section of our site. There are very interesting and beautiful pictures in the albums. If you have not had a chance to visit this section yet, I suggest you plan to visit it the next time you find some free time (who 's got that?) to explore ALL of the albums. Consider adding your favorite pictures to the collection for the benefit and enjoyment of the group.

I posted a few pictures in the "Albums" section a few weeks ago. (with Joseph's help). If you are interested in: Santo Toribio in Santa Ana, Teocaltiche, Arandas, Rancho Los Portales in Jalostotitlán and coins of Nueva España, please visit: John Gonzalez's Pix album.

The best way to see the pictures in their finest detail, is in their full size. I am sure some of you already know how to do that. If you are a newcomer or have never visited the "Albums" section follow these simple instructions:

1.-Log in to the Nuestro Ranchos site.
2.-Select the "Albums" tab
3.-Select "Ranchos y Ciudades" Here, you can start with the first album, look at all the pictures in it, and then work through the rest of the albums in sequence to make sure you get to see them all.
4.-Click on a picture
5.- Click on the same picture again. You will see the picture in a clean screen, i.e. without the menus on the right side.
6.-Place your mouse cursor over the picture and hold it there for a couple of seconds. A button will appear at the bottom right side, click on it to see the picture in its finest detail. If the picture is bigger than your screen, you'll see the vertical and horizontal standard bars to move it.

There is a big difference in looking at small picture and looking at it full size to appreciate its finest detail, it is an "eye opener". (check out the ones fron Zacatecas)

Note: Not all of the pictures will expand to fill your screen.

Enjoy.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@verizon.net

Hi, primos y primas. I've loaded a few new photos to my photo album if you want to take a peek. I'm particularly upload challenged...I've tried uploading stuff before and I'm sure it's whirling around in the stratosphere somewhere and destined never to alight anywhere. Just me, Marge:)

I hope our Mexican relations know that most of us Pochos do NOT share the hostility displayed by our elected officials, and vigilante posses towards undocumented immigrants. If it was up to me, I would grant a full and complete blanket amnesty.

My mother was a smuggler as a young girl. She crossed the border at El Paso almost every day. The border guards told her “we know you are smuggling something, but we just can’t figure out what!” She was smuggling in clothes. She would buy half a dozen dresses in El Paso, put them all on, one over the other, buy a bicycle, pedal back across the border and sell the bike and dresses all in the same day. She was never caught!

Of course, it helped that she was a very beautiful young woman. I call her the Mexican Lana Turner because she can turn the tears on, and off on cue.

It would be my hope that the Nuestros Ranchos software could be modified so that people could choose their language, Spanish or English. To make it more accessible to our friends, and family.

I’m on the Genealogia de Norte Mexico site, and it is hard for me to navigate because it is all in Spanish. Yet, I can keep up with the posts.
Benicio tells me that site can be accessed in English, but I have not been able to do so. I don’t see any instructions in my primary language.

I know income is a big bone of contention between our people. And of course the United States is wealthier than Mexico. But there are poor and rich on both sides of the border, and I think it’s a mistake to consider all gringos rich, and all Mexicans poor. Its simplistic, and just not correct.

In my family we all are in the middle class on either side of the border. My relatives own Pastas Porras in Torreron, Nuevo Leon, which my great grandfather founded in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua a century ago. He crossed the border and went to Chicago to have the machinery made for his factory, all to his design.

My grandfather who was mayor of Hidalgo del Parral, as was his father in law, my great grandfather, went to college in St. Joseph, Missiouri. The border works both ways.

My relatives also own Muebleria Bautista in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, as well as several other businesses.

Where I live in Los Angeles, perhaps the majority of people are undocumented immigrants, predominantly from Mexico, but also large numbers from Central America, and beyond.

I make every effort to get along regardless of nationality.

Buena suerte, buena salud a todos. Somos familia. La sangre no se cambia.
.

Has anyone on the NuestrosRanchos list had a Y-DNA or mtDNA test with
FamilyTreeDNA or other testing facility?

I've had my Y-DNA results for the Romero Surname and they are
unusual. I am interested if anyone whose ancestors are from the
Jalisco area has been tested. I am looking for comparisons and
possibly connections back to Spain and the Mediterranean area.

Linda

What is the definition of a Criollo/Criolla?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

For Stuart and others interested in the origens of the pueblos of Aguascalientes, I've just posted two pages in Reference materials on the foundation of the pueblos of Aguascalientes. Included are San Jose de Gracia and Rincon de Romos.

Gloria Delgado

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/aguascali…

This site has lots of information on the political and social changes in Aguascalientes.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----