research Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 Haciendas de Zacatecas

Hello!

I am interested in the haciendas in Zacatecas, Particularly in hacienda del
Mezquite,(Fresnillo) and Hacienda de San Juan de Ahorcados, jurisdiccion de
Mazapil. I would appreciate any historical information such as living
conditions, life in general, social divisions, etc. you could share.

I want find out why my ancestors decided to bring colonos to Coahuila and
Durango from that area back in the heyday of both haciendas. Also anything
on Ssanta Maria de las Nieves and la Gruñidora (also in Nieves).

Elvira

Racial Perceptions

That's about what I anticipated. I consider those very small numbers of European soldiers. There for a very brief period. Probably gringo tourists have had a greater genetic impact on Mexico.

Way more Mexicans volunteered for the left leaning Republicans during the Spanish Civil War against conserative Generalisimo Francisco Franco and his fascist Falange Party.

Did you know there are still Mexicans serving in the Spanish Foreigh Legion? I visited their museum in Ceuta, the tiny Spanish enclave on the north coast of Morocco, directly adjacent to Gibraltar and Algeciras.

I believe Mexicans are the largest single nationality to serve in the Spanish Foreign Legion. They saw duty in Ceuta, Melilla, Spanish Sahara, Spanish Equatorial Guinea... Quite a few died in the line of duty.

So. there has been a two way transatlantic exchange of genes between Iberia and the Amricas for five hundred years. Someone named it the Columbian exchange.

Yet, I think we would be hard pressed to isolate a visible Mexican genetic presence in Spain.

No Tengo Verguenza. I Have No Shame.

I should be ashamed to say so after the escandalo I made about misspellings. But I have no shame. No tengo verguenza. Nunca tuve.

I’ve been researching my maternal side for many years with little luck.
I now know why. My great grandfather Jose Estevan Rodriguez Montoya who died a few years before I was born told his many grandchildren he was born in the mid 1870s in Spain. He told them he came to Chihuahua during the gold rush of the late 19th century. He claimed Seville was his birthplace, and that he still had a brother living just outside the U.S. naval base at Cadiz.

So, for years I looked for a birth record for him in Spain. And for a record of his trans-Atlantic crossing.
Last year I found his actual birth record. He lied! He was born in Hidalgo del Parral in 1867. When I waved his birth document at the last Rodriguez family reunion every jaw in the room dropped!

They asked me why would he lie about his age. They assumed only women lied about their age.I suggested it was because he never wanted his wife to know how much older he was than her.

Today, the other shoe dropped. Not only wasn’t he himself Spanish, neither was his father, grandfather, nor great grandfather! They were all born in Chihuahua. It was a complete fabrication. A family myth. One we accepted without question.

Grandpa Jose was snow-white, all his children were white con ojos de color, ditto his grandchildren, great grandchildren and so forth. So it was plausible that he was European.

I could not find the records before because Rodrigues had been mis-spelt Rodriges!

So the lesson is don’t accept family lore on face value. Examine, corroborate, investigate, explore…

And things are not always what they appear to be. Grandpa looked rubio, guerro, blanco, gabacho, for all the world to see. But he was really mezclado, a mestizo, a typical Mexican. Un hijo de La Malinche. A son of Dona Marina.

And sometimes misspellings are just that!

Have a great 4th of July weekend.

mistakes in legal records

About the mistaken listings in the "Caribbean" -

Some years ago while researching the CABI & CADI (California Birth/Death Records) I kept finding very Spanish surnames of people supposedly born or dying in Maine, including one of my relatives that I knew had never left California. Then I realized that the old abbreviation for Mexico was ME, and when the records were switched over to a supposedly more modern system, all these Mexico-born Californians "became" residents of Maine!

About the same time I was trying to research the military record of one of my cousins who was MIA in Korea. I knew he was Puerto Rican, born in Hawaii, but couldn't find him anywhere. It turns out the US govt had mislisted all the vets from Puerto Rico as being Southeast Asian, and besides, had listed them all under their maternal surnames instead of their paternal surnames. This error is in the process of being corrected.

Gloria D.

Enrique Legaspi Frias GEDCOM

Enrique Legaspi Frias' GEDCOM has been moved from the Files section into the GEDCOM database so it is now viewable and searchable directly from the site with no need to download it. The file includes hundreds of names from Nochistlan, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche, El Tuiche, Toyahua, La Estancia.

With this addition, our database is up to nearly 30,000 names. Anyone else who is interested in putting their genealogy into this searchable database (available only to members), please contact me.

If anyone is interested in using the database as their genealogy software, you are more than welcome to do so. I use it as my primary database, allowing me to enter and change data from the Family History Center or National Archives or wherever it is I am working. In addition, I recenly had a hard drive crash and lost everything on my laptop. Luckily my most recent genealogy data was not there, but on a web server somewhere in California. I back up my GEDCOM to a PAF file and a CD every month or so from the server, but the online database is nevertheless my main tool. Check it out.

Viramontes from Zacatecas

I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.

It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.

For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a "Ph" rather than an "F," before around 1700. That's why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).

In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.

It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.

Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.

Rosalio Jauregui & Pomposa Gonzales

Yoli,

I found your great grandparents marriage record today at my local family history center as this film is on permanent loan. LDS Film # 0226733. They were married 3 May 1871. Rosalio Jauregui, soltero de veinte un años, 21 years of age, originario y vecino de La Estancia, meaning Rosalio was from La Estancia, legitimate son of Salvador Jauregui who was living and Carina or Corina Vidaurre who was deceased. Pomposa Gonzales, celibate 16 years of age, also from La Estancia, legitimate daughter of Nicomedes Gonzales & Anastacia Saldivar both of whom were still living. Their padrinos were Leon Vidaurre and Francisca Jauregui. Witnesses were Antonio Ballin & Sixto Duran.

Now you know who your great great grandparents are and the more documents you find the more your will know. Maybe you can begin by ordering this film number from your local family history center at the Mormon Church.

Good luck in your continued search,
Alicia

Fill Out Your Profiles Please

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joseph

Fill Out Your Profiles Please

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

Fill Out Your Profiles Please

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

Nuestra Familia Unida Poetry

There have been many new podcasts made available to the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. A great collection of
Oral History stories by Frank Moreno Sifuentes including his translation
of the Pablo Neruda poem, "It Remains Prohibited." But two new poets
(Jim Moreno and Diego Davalos) to the podcast have by far taken center
stage with their poetry. Have a listen to Jim Moreno's "Lowrider" poem
and Diego Davalos' "Reclamando La Linea" and "Cesar."

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/poetry.html

There is still much work to be done in getting the word out to the
community about the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Please
consider joining the planning committee for the project at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/ Any questions or comments can be
directed to Joseph Puentes: NFU@JosephPuentes.com

posting messages

yes i am having a little trouble posting , and i will be more careful. i
just need some time to figure out this site. i will be calling my aunt carmen to
try and get some information about my family. i have sent for my spouses
ggrandparent SSN via mail. they are from Serbia. my children have a colorful mix
of heritage this is why i am researching to someday pass it to them.
researching the viramontes side is a little more difficult, i just want to get it
right thanks you to everyone whos been helping me, and for the warm welcomes.
again sorry for the mistakes, i hope this one is right. jovana

Jose Aguayo Ortega's Ancestors

Jose:

I saw the posting of your genealogy and I think you and I are probably related. I see you gave Del Real, Gonzalez and Mayorga all in your maternal ancestry going back to Atolinga. You list as your oldest maternal ancestors as:

Salbador Gonzales b. ca 1800 in Guadalajara, Jalisco?
m. Gertrudis Vayozga

However, seeing the combination of surnames, I had a suspicion and checked the towns where my Del Real, Mayorga and Gonzalez lines were in 1800 and I believe that I struck something. It looks like you have the wife's name a bit off, but otherwise it matches and makes sense given than the descendants were in the Tlaltenango and Atolinga area later on.

I am pretty certain that your Del Real lineage goes back to Juan Martin del Real who immigrated from Spain in the early 1700s and who is an ancestor of a number of us here in the Nuestros Ranchos group... He is mine in two different ways.

SALVADOR GONZALES
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA GERTRUDIS MALLORGA
Marriage:
25 FEB 1805 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

RE: viramontes

my grandfather was born in jalpa. from what i was told he had a brother named ramerio viramontes. i am not sure if he was older or younger. thanks for the info on the name change i will send for a copy of his ssnumber, I don't know why i didnt think of that.

Yolanda's Ancestors

Yolanda:

Welcome to the group. It seems that you have ancestor information that goes back far enough where the resources we have available through this site and LDS will be useful. I am posting this on the research list as this is really a research-related question.

One good thing to do is to figure out what modern day municipality the "rancho" or hacienda that you are researching is in. This is necessary because records are organized this way in the LDS catalog and on this site. For example Estancia is in modern day Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

A quick search in on familysearch.com comes up with the following, which I believe is your great-grandfather. It looks like these names match your granparents. You should order the film to see who their parents were.

ROSALIO JAUREGUI
Marriages:
Spouse: PONPOSA GONZALES Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1871 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch: M606264 Film: 0226733

If so, these would be your grandfather's siblings:

1. JOSE MARTINIANO JAUREGUI GONZALES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1873 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

2. JOSE SIMON JAURIGUI GONSALES
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1874 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

As far as yout other set of grandparents, the last name RAUNO does not seem to come up in the LDS databases. Are you sure you have this name correct? There are a number of Maria Ulloas married in the late 1800s in Nochistlan but none of them to anyone by a name similar to RAUNO.

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