Nuestros Ranchos Site

These are forms that I either get at my local Genealogical Society or I have tweaked them a bit to pertain to Mexican Genealogy.

Also, Rich and I have quite a few files on Ranchos Yahoo site. Is there an easy way to transfer them all over or is there a different format to use where we wouldn't need so many files.

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Rosalinda,

What does this mean? Do I have to do something? What is an HTML attachment? Was I trying to create a file, or was someone else? I think I better go mimi now; I am getting confused.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

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Rosalinda,

What does this mean? Do I have to do something? What is an HTML attachment? Was I trying to create a file, or was someone else? I think I better go mimi now; I am getting confused.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

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Emilie:

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All that message means is that the attachment that was sent with your message was removed from the message before it was distributed. The lists do not allow attachments so when there is an attachment (often just a signature file) it is removed. Your messages seem to be going through fine. I am getting all of them.

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Emilie:

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Oh, Rosalinda,

You have such patience. Now I have another stupid question. What is a
signature file?

Emilie

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To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:04
AM
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All
that message means is that the attachment that was sent with your message was
removed from the message before it was distributed. The lists do not
allow attachments so when there is an attachment (often just a signature file)
it is removed. Your messages seem to be going through fine. I am
getting all of them.
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Arturo,

Would it be too hard to make the messages posted in the main section be shown in full, instead of having to click the "read more" link?

Also, could you try other fonts to see if the text becomes more readable?

Thanks.

Victor

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Joseph, I just tried to create a file in the format you suggested but I guess I am technically challenged to put it mildly because my file was truncated and only parts of it were visible. I need help in California!! If you could see me now you would see me pulling my hair and yelling, ayuda por favor.

Alicia

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Arturo,

Would it be too hard to make the messages posted in the main section be shown in full, instead of having to click the "read more" link?

Also, could you try other fonts to see if the text becomes more readable?

Thanks.

Victor

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Something else. I know that there might be very long messages which are not suitable to be shown in full, but what about expanding the window size a little more to fit the average post?

Thanks.

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Alicia

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Arturo,

I just switched (in my account preferences) to the Chamaeleon (sp) theme and I find these fonts more readable that the default.

Victor

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Arturo,

I just switched (in my account preferences) to the Chamaeleon (sp) theme and I find these fonts more readable that the default.

Victor

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Arturo,

Why are the messages appearing twice? Also they are listed on the right here under both Active Forum and New Forum topics. It is getting hard to follow them down to the last one in order to read them all on the website and to post a reply. Also where are the three forums listed, the ones called General, Research, and (?). Is it because when we post here, it also gets posted to the old website and vice versa? At least I finally found the way to sign in and post directly from the new website. That is quite an accomplishment for me.

Emilie Garcia
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Arturo,

Emilie Garcia
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The messages are getting posted twice because we are running the two
sites parallel so anything that gets posted in one gets posted in the
other. When the messages you send through the new list get posted to
YahooGroups, YahooGroups sends it back the new site (not knowing whether
it has been posted) and for some reason the new site does not recognize
it as an already posted message and posts it again.

This will be resolved once we are only running one site. I tried
figuring out how to fix it to no avail. I know it is somewhat annoying
but we will only have to put up with it for a bit longer. Better to
have two messages than one!

The three forums exists because we now have three mailing lists, one for
purely research questions, one for general history/culture/genealogy
discussions and one for events and announcements. That way, you can
choose to get messages about one, two or all three subject matters. You
can post to any one of the lists (as long as you are signed up for that
list).

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meef98367
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:43 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Suggestion for the new website

Arturo,

Why are the messages appearing twice? Also they are listed on the right
here under both Active Forum and New Forum topics. It is getting hard
to follow them down to the last one in order to read them all on the
website and to post a reply. Also where are the three forums listed,
the ones called General, Research, and (?). Is it because when we post
here, it also gets posted to the old website and vice versa? At least I
finally found the way to sign in and post directly from the new website.
That is quite an accomplishment for me.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

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Ok, but I have another question/suggestion: you mention the "mailing lists", but I don't see them listed on the side bars. I belong to Hispanic Genealogy Forum at DelphiForums.com, and they do have the categories listed on the side and you can scroll in the side bars within each category to the titles of each topic or "thread". I find that very easy to navigate. When you click on the title of the thread, you can view all the messages posted to that thread, and down at the bottom, when we have gotten very chatty, it lists the numbers of the messages, such as 1-26, 27-52, etc and if we have not tuned in recently, we can just go in and start clicking and reading. Could we have something like that?

Thanks,

Emilie

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Yes, I had put that up there for people who were having a hard time
reading the default layout. I think when I get a chance I will try to
create a theme/layout that uses fonts like that but is a bit nicer
looking...

I was going to tell people about changing their preferences but people
seem confused as it is. What do you think? Thanks for your feedback.

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[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
wixaritori
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:42 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Suggestion for the new

Arturo,

I just switched (in my account preferences) to the Chamaeleon (sp) theme
and I find these fonts more readable that the default.

Victor

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Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to
change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change
nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

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Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is: Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID? I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm frustrated... Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo
group format to something different, but change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that
"confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph........Like Linda in Everett I, also, am totally
confused!!! I stumbled around last week with the new website but did
not really know what I was doing......but I did something and am not sure if it
is correct.....PLEASE, when you have time, please, please check my "account" or
"status" or whatever and see if I am ok.....did I do things right or do I need
to do something else?

Thanks~!

Josie in San Antonio

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:04 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site
Assignment

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate
computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What
do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what
you want which I think is:
Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you
mean by ID?
I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I
don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even
figure out how to sign it properly... double
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm frustrated...
Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello
everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier
for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but
change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. .
.we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site
in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to
the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE:
do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you
go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3)
then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT
WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN
FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now
after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to
one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated
"confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3
max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you
to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that
for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you
can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under
"Member Genealogy
Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this
format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina
(aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph
Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com;
makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and
LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and
truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this
format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is
the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their
ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and
let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to
you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph, I'm confused, too!? What am I supposed to do....look at the files you posted and follow that format?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is: Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID? I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yup, I'm frustrated... Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE
YOU CAN FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

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Peggy--

I fixed it for you.

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy Delgado
Sent: Mar 6, 2006 11:06 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site Assignment

Joseph, I'm confused, too!? What am I supposed to do....look at the files you posted and follow that format?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is:
Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID?
I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm frustrated...
Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

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I guess I will be one of the "dumb" ones!

Mickey

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Mickey--

Do you need help creating a file folder for your genealogy files? If you need help, let me know.

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

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From: MMG8938@aol.com
Sent: Mar 7, 2006 2:41 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site Assignment

I guess I will be one of the "dumb" ones!

Mickey

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I fixed it for you, Linda. I used your hotmail email. Do you want me to change it to your yahoo email address?

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Sent: Mar 6, 2006 8:04 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site Assignment

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is:
Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID?
I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm frustrated...
Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

Yahoo! Mail
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Thanks sweetie!

lareina2@ix.netcom.com wrote:

Peggy-- I fixed it for you. Rosalinda Ranchos Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy Delgado
Sent: Mar 6, 2006 11:06 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site Assignment

Joseph, I'm confused, too!? What am I supposed to do....look at the files you posted and follow that format?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still
learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is: Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID? I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm frustrated... Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change
nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to
the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

joseph

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thank you Rosalinda, I do appreciate the help and knowing I'm not the only one learning something new...I'm feeling normal again, just not computer literate yet... Linda in Everett

Peggy Delgado wrote:

Thanks sweetie!

lareina2@ix.netcom.com wrote:

Peggy-- I fixed it for you. Rosalinda Ranchos Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy Delgado
Sent: Mar 6, 2006 11:06 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New Site Assignment

Joseph, I'm
confused, too!? What am I supposed to do....look at the files you posted and follow that format?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

Joseph, I'm totally confused.. I'm still learning how to navigate computer programs so this is very confusing for me but I'm trying... What do you want me to do with my name longsjourney? How do I change it to what you want which I think is: Linda Castanon-Long (longsjourney@hotmail.com) what do you mean by ID? I think I signed up for all 3 accounts.. did I? Help!!!!!!!!!! I don't dare even trying to get my genealogy into this format if I can't even figure out how to sign it properly... double help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yup, I'm
frustrated... Linda in Everett
Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hello everyone,

I know change is a challenge for everyone. It is no easier for me to change from the Yahoo group format to something different, but change nonetheless is necessary for our survival.

having said that. . .we are going to be making a serious push to transition over to the new site in the next several weeks. So this is what I need from you.

1) go to the website and using your Yahoo ID request a password be sent to you (NOTE: do not start a new account).

2) after you get your password sent to you go back in with your Yahoo ID and the new password and "LOG-IN."

3) then request a new password if you want or keep the exisiting one, BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WRITE DOWN YOUR PASSWORD and keep it SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN
FIND IT (and yes I was kind of yelling, did you hear me???).

4) now after you are logged in I want you to go to "mailing lists" and subscribe to one or two or all three of them. WHen you do this a group generated "confirmation" letter will be sent to you. (one for each list you chose, 3 max). You will have to "reply" to that "confirmation" email in order for you to be subscribed to the email distribution list.

Let's go with that for now, but

if you are really wanting to dig in for more you can

5) go to "create content" and set up a folder for yourself under "Member Genealogy Files"
Have a look at Angie Godina's and My folder and try to use this format just like we had in the Yahoo groups: for example

Angie Godina (aajay1073@yahoo.com)

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

I would like Peggy, Lourdes, and LongsJourney to follow this format. . .basically I need this help

and truthfully if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you all I would prefer this format:

Joseph Puentes (makas@nc.rr.com; makas_nc)

[[[that is the person's name, followed by their email address, followed by their ID]]]]]]]]]]

what do you think can we do that.

thanks all and let me know if I can help you. I might be slow at doing this but I'll get to you all in the order of help needed.

thanks,

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Order of Help

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I see that Rosalinda helped Peggy and Mickey here is my help order:

okay here is the new assignment for all: just be patient and I'll be
with you in a short time. don't fret. . .there is plenty of time and
I'll be with you. here is my list of people to help in the order I'll
help when I get home either today or tomorrow from work:

Comments

Order of Help

Comment

Joseph,

I just posted a message to research@nuestrosranchos.org, but
I didn't realize I was on my private e-mail account, which is not the one I use
for Ranchos or NuestrosRanchos. Will there be a problem?

Emilie

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: LosRanchos
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:11
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Order of Help

I see that Rosalinda helped Peggy and Mickey here is my help
order:

okay here is the new assignment for all: just be patient and
I'll be with you in a short time. don't fret. . .there is plenty of time and
I'll be with you. here is my list of people to help in the order I'll help
when I get home either today or tomorrow from work:

1)
Joseph........Like Linda in Everett I, also, am totally
confused!!! I stumbled around last week with the new website but
did not really know what I was doing......but I did something and am not sure
if it is correct.....PLEASE, when you have time, please, please check my
"account" or "status" or whatever and see if I am ok.....did I do things right
or do I need to do something else?

Thanks~!

Josie in San Antonio Josiett3@satx.rr.com

2)

) -------- Original Message --------

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trying to create file

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:18:04 -0800 (PST)

From: oldcar53

Reply-To: general@nuestrosranchos.org

To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

References:
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Joseph, I just tried to create a file in the format you suggested but I guess I am technically challenged to put it mildly because my file was truncated and only parts of it were visible. I need help in California!! If you could see me now you would see me pulling my hair and yelling, ayuda por favor.

Alicia

Subject:	[Nuestros Ranchos] Trying to create file
Date:	Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:18:04 -0800 (PST)
From:	oldcar53
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References:

Suggestion for the new site

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Genealogy Research

Arturo,

Would it be too hard to make the messages posted in the main section be shown in full, instead of having to click the "read more" link?

Also, could you try other fonts to see if the text becomes more readable?

Thanks.

Victor

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Suggestion for the new site

Comment

Something else. I know that there might be very long messages which are not suitable to be shown in full, but what about expanding the window size a little more to fit the average post?

Thanks.

J2 DNA

Forums

http://www.m410.net/yjdb/
http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/

Thank you, Victor. I will check Gary Felix's page. I have listed on
ybase.org and ysearch.org but have not found any matches. I did find
one close match, from Scotland. The other was Puentes on the
Rancho's Group. Close, but no cigar. I guess I'll just have to hang
around until a match shows up.

Linda

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J2 DNA

Comment

Linda,

Other sites to know about that are specific to haplogroup J are:

And then there's the database at http://www.yhrd.org/index.html, which
doesn't allow to upload your own haplotype but you can do a search to
see what geographic region comes up with the closest near-matches.

The New Mexico project has several J2 among its participants,
including one Romero but I don't know if that's yours.
http://www.newmexicodna.bravehost.com/

And the Santa Fe project has other J2s:
http://www.familytreedna.com/(ey5p1qzl3wxdn0450gzdlq45)/public/NuevoMex…

If you don't find any matches to your haplotype now, eventually
someone will find yours!

Saludos,

Victor

J2 DNA

Comment

Thank you again, Victor. I have been to all your recommended
websites. Registered at the ones I could. Been there, done that,
still alone.

Now I must have patience.

Thank you for all your help.

Linda

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:34:12 -0000
> From: "v.h.villarreal"
> Subject: Re: J2 DNA
>
> Linda,
>
> Other sites to know about that are specific to haplogroup J are:
>
> http://www.m410.net/yjdb/
> http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/
>
> And then there's the database at http://www.yhrd.org/index.html, which
> doesn't allow to upload your own haplotype but you can do a search to
> see what geographic region comes up with the closest near-matches.
>
> The New Mexico project has several J2 among its participants,
> including one Romero but I don't know if that's yours.
> http://www.newmexicodna.bravehost.com/
>
> And the Santa Fe project has other J2s:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/(ey5p1qzl3wxdn0450gzdlq45)/public/
> NuevoMexico/index.aspx
>
> If you don't find any matches to your haplotype now, eventually
> someone will find yours!
>
> Saludos,
>
> Victor
>
>

Linda R Romero
romero89@earthlink.net

> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Buell,
> Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss, Moore,
> Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge,
> Barba, Brewster
>

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ATTN: Zendean! was Mickey in Texas

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Emilie--

Thanks. If he contacts me I will let him know.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Mar 6, 2006 5:44 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey in Texas

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Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper, local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property in Mexico.

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Harold Duff

Comment

I am over at NARA looking up some border crossing records and saw your message so I looked him up on Ancestry.com...

I think this is his birth record:

Harold Ray Duff 19 Jul 1940 Male
Birth County: Floyd
Parents: Ollie Harold Duff, Dorris Glyde Childers

As far as his death, there does not seem to be a match on the Social Security death index for any Harold Duff born in 1940 and who died in Texas. There are the following close matches for deaths in Texas:

Ollie Harold Duff 05 November 1991 POTTER M
Chester Harold Duff 21 March 1993 HARRIS M
Harold J Duff 02 December 1993 BEXAR M
Harold Harrison Duff 03 August 1995 NAVARRO M

In addition, there are the following matches in the Social Security death index, these are the only matches in Texas and Arkansas:

Name: Harold J. Duff
SSN: 431-70-9676
Last Residence: 72444 Maynard, Randolph, Arkansas, United States of America
Born: 16 Dec 1914
Died: 2 Dec 1993
State (Year) SSN issued: Arkansas (1955 )

Name: Harold H. Duff
SSN: 537-16-4898
Last Residence: 76626 Blooming Grove, Navarro, Texas, United States of America
Born: 2 May 1922
Last Benefit: 76626 Blooming Grove, Navarro, Texas, United States of America
Died: 15 Aug 1995
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951 )

Death Records

Comment

Jose Luis,

Have you tried...

Social Security Death Index:
http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi

Texas Death Records:
http://vitals.rootsweb.com/tx/death/search.cgi

Good Luck on your search,
Angie

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Mickey in Texas

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Jose Luis--

I looked him up in the Texas Death Index, but there does not appear to be a match. Are you sure he died in Texas, and is the name correct?

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper, local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property in Mexico.
If you or anyone else could give me some concrete leads to help, I would appreciate it very much. He died in the 1980's in Texas. If you can think of any other way to do what I want to do, let me know what you think.

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: MMG8938@aol.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Last call for Saturday meeting

Wish I were going....hope to see some of you in October in Salt Lake City

Mickey from Texas

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I am over at NARA looking up some border crossing records and saw your message so I looked him up on Ancestry.com...

I think this is his birth record:

Harold Ray Duff 19 Jul 1940 Male
Birth County: Floyd
Parents: Ollie Harold Duff, Dorris Glyde Childers

Ollie Harold Duff 05 November 1991 POTTER M
Chester Harold Duff 21 March 1993 HARRIS M
Harold J Duff 02 December 1993 BEXAR M
Harold Harrison Duff 03 August 1995 NAVARRO M

In addition, there are the following matches in the Social Security death index, these are the only matches in Texas and Arkansas:

Name: Harold J. Duff
SSN: 431-70-9676
Last Residence: 72444 Maynard, Randolph, Arkansas, United States of America
Born: 16 Dec 1914
Died: 2 Dec 1993
State (Year) SSN issued: Arkansas (1955 )

Mickey in Texas

Comment

Rosalinda; What a peach to write back and try to help me with Harold E. Duff /AKA " H.E. Duff". I know that he was living in Texas when he wrote to his sister Ruth Frances. She said that he was reallly well off and his mansion in Austin seemed the size of a city block in Maywood, Calif. No, I am not sure that he died in Texas, I just assumed. I am sure that he died in the 1980's because Patsy and I had not been married too long when his sister Ruth Frances was so sad that he died. At the time, not having met him and just new to the family, I didn't think to ask for details. You know "not the right time" and all. Rosalinda, how do you check a "death index" ? Is there a site in every state ?

Also, When I came to the meeting last Saturday I felt odd at first and thought that I should maybe leave . How very, very sweet of you to be so kind as to welcome me and make me welcome. I know that you probably did it for all that came, but it ment a lot to me. Thank you, Rosalinda.

With respect,

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 2:31 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Jose Luis--

I looked him up in the Texas Death Index, but there does not appear to be a match. Are you sure he died in Texas, and is the name correct?

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper, local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property in Mexico.
If you or anyone else could give me some concrete leads to help, I would appreciate it very much. He died in the 1980's in Texas. If you can think of any other way to do what I want to do, let me know what you think.

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: MMG8938@aol.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Last call for Saturday meeting

Wish I were going....hope to see some of you in October in Salt Lake City

Mickey from Texas

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Jose,

Did you not see my message about the H. Duff I found in the SSDI that died
in 1984 in Austin, Travis County, TX?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

----- Original Message -----
From: zendean
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:24
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in
Texas

Rosalinda; What a peach to write back and try to help me with
Harold E. Duff /AKA " H.E. Duff". I know that he was living in Texas when
he wrote to his sister Ruth Frances. She said that he was reallly well off and
his mansion in Austin seemed the size of a city block in Maywood, Calif.
No, I am not sure that he died in Texas, I just assumed. I am sure that he
died in the 1980's because Patsy and I had not been married too long when his
sister Ruth Frances was so sad that he died. At the time, not having met him
and just new to the family, I didn't think to ask for details. You know "not
the right time" and all. Rosalinda, how do you check a "death index" ? Is
there a site in every state ?

Also, When I came to the meeting last Saturday I felt odd at first
and thought that I should maybe leave . How very, very sweet of you to be so
kind as to welcome me and make me welcome. I know that you probably did it for
all that came, but it ment a lot to me. Thank you, Rosalinda.

With respect,

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From:
lareina2@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 2:31 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Jose Luis--

I looked him up in the Texas Death Index, but there does not appear to be
a match. Are you sure he died in Texas, and is the name correct?

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean

Sent: Feb 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He
was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died
and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add
the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact
there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper,
local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of
his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property
in Mexico.
If you or anyone else could give me some concrete leads to help, I
would appreciate it very much. He died in the 1980's in Texas. If you can
think of any other way to do what I want to do, let me know what you
think.

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From:
MMG8938@aol.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Last call for Saturday meeting

Wish I were going....hope to see some of you in October in Salt Lake
City

Mickey from Texas

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Forgive me, Jose, for the delay in my response.

I believe someone located a possible match for your uncle in a previous Ranchos message, but here is the Texas Death Index: http://vitals.rootsweb.com/tx/death/search.cgi . Rootsweb also has the California Death Index : http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi and the Social Security Death Index : http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi . Not all states have an online index. Another website to check is http://www.vitalsearch-worldwide.com/ . That website requires a user name and password; if you pick up the xerox copy I made for everyone at the meeting, I list them there. This site is more difficult to handle, but once you do, it can be very helpful. It's just cumbersome.

I think the H. Duff found is probably your best match, based on your family's knowledge. As I said in a previous Ranchos message, you need to be an acceptable legal party to obtain a copy of the death certificate in the state of Texas; otherwise, the state will only confirm a death date. I learned this the hard way. You have to wait until 25 years after the death has passed before you may obtain a death cerificate. Check this website: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/default.shtm to see if your wife qualifies as niece of the deceased. This is not true in California, just so you know.

I was more than happy to make you welcome, Jose. I know meeting a new group of people is overwhelming, but I knew we would be a great bunch of people. I wanted to speak more to you about what you had; maybe at the next meeting. It was a pleasure to meet all of my online cousins, even if we haven't identified a relationship yet.

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean
Sent: Feb 27, 2006 7:24 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Rosalinda; What a peach to write back and try to help me with Harold E. Duff /AKA " H.E. Duff". I know that he was living in Texas when he wrote to his sister Ruth Frances. She said that he was reallly well off and his mansion in Austin seemed the size of a city block in Maywood, Calif. No, I am not sure that he died in Texas, I just assumed. I am sure that he died in the 1980's because Patsy and I had not been married too long when his sister Ruth Frances was so sad that he died. At the time, not having met him and just new to the family, I didn't think to ask for details. You know "not the right time" and all. Rosalinda, how do you check a "death index" ? Is there a site in every state ?

Also, When I came to the meeting last Saturday I felt odd at first and thought that I should maybe leave . How very, very sweet of you to be so kind as to welcome me and make me welcome. I know that you probably did it for all that came, but it ment a lot to me. Thank you, Rosalinda.

With respect,

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 2:31 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Jose Luis--

I looked him up in the Texas Death Index, but there does not appear to be a match. Are you sure he died in Texas, and is the name correct?

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper, local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property in Mexico.
If you or anyone else could give me some concrete leads to help, I would appreciate it very much. He died in the 1980's in Texas. If you can think of any other way to do what I want to do, let me know what you think.

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: MMG8938@aol.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Last call for Saturday meeting

Wish I were going....hope to see some of you in October in Salt Lake City

Mickey from Texas

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Mickey in Texas

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Rosalinda,

It was me, Emilie, who found the SSDI records for Jose's wife's
uncle, and I posted that information you saw to the group and I also sent Jose
an e-mail at his e-mail address. I wonder if he has seen that post or my
e-mail, since he has not acknowledged them. I am pretty sure the one I
found is the person he is looking for because I traced the family to Arkansas to
check birthdates, etc., and I am looking into cemetery records to see if I can
find where he is buried.

If Jose contacts you, will you ask him if he ever got my e-mail? In
that e-mail I copied the information that I found on the SSDI.

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:53
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in
Texas

Forgive me, Jose, for the delay in my response.

I believe someone located a possible match for your uncle in a previous
Ranchos message, but here is the Texas Death Index: http://vitals.rootsweb.com/tx/death/search.cgi .
Rootsweb also has the California Death Index : http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi and
the Social Security Death Index : http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi .
Not all states have an online index. Another website to check is http://www.vitalsearch-worldwide.com/ .
That website requires a user name and password; if you pick up the xerox copy
I made for everyone at the meeting, I list them there. This site is more
difficult to handle, but once you do, it can be very helpful. It's just
cumbersome.

I think the H. Duff found is probably your best match, based on your
family's knowledge. As I said in a previous Ranchos message, you need to
be an acceptable legal party to obtain a copy of the death certificate in the
state of Texas; otherwise, the state will only confirm a death date. I
learned this the hard way. You have to wait until 25 years after the
death has passed before you may obtain a death cerificate. Check this
website: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/default.shtm to
see if your wife qualifies as niece of the deceased. This is not true in
California, just so you know.

I was more than happy to make you welcome, Jose. I know meeting a
new group of people is overwhelming, but I knew we would be a great bunch of
people. I wanted to speak more to you about what you had; maybe at the
next meeting. It was a pleasure to meet all of my online cousins, even
if we haven't identified a relationship yet.

Rosalinda
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-----Original Message-----
From: zendean

Sent: Feb 27, 2006 7:24 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Rosalinda; What a peach to write back and try to help me with
Harold E. Duff /AKA " H.E. Duff". I know that he was living in Texas when
he wrote to his sister Ruth Frances. She said that he was reallly well off and
his mansion in Austin seemed the size of a city block in Maywood, Calif.
No, I am not sure that he died in Texas, I just assumed. I am sure that he
died in the 1980's because Patsy and I had not been married too long when his
sister Ruth Frances was so sad that he died. At the time, not having met him
and just new to the family, I didn't think to ask for details. You know "not
the right time" and all. Rosalinda, how do you check a "death index" ? Is
there a site in every state ?

Also, When I came to the meeting last Saturday I felt odd at first
and thought that I should maybe leave . How very, very sweet of you to be so
kind as to welcome me and make me welcome. I know that you probably did it for
all that came, but it ment a lot to me. Thank you, Rosalinda.

With respect,

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From:
lareina2@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Feb 24, 2006 2:31 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Jose Luis--

I looked him up in the Texas Death Index, but there does not appear to be
a match. Are you sure he died in Texas, and is the name correct?

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: zendean

Sent: Feb 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Mickey in Texas

Mickey;
My wife had an uncle named Harold Duff, of Austin Texas. He
was an oil man who did very well and lived there in Austin by a lake. He died
and now all the people that were related are dead. I want to find him and add
the details of his death to our genealogy records. Mickey, who would I contact
there to get some information, like what is the name of the Austin news paper,
local funeral homes etc. He may have died then was buried next to the rest of
his family in Arkansas. He had a big mansion in Austin and some some property
in Mexico.
If you or anyone else could give me some concrete leads to help, I
would appreciate it very much. He died in the 1980's in Texas. If you can
think of any other way to do what I want to do, let me know what you
think.

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Last call for Saturday meeting

Wish I were going....hope to see some of you in October in Salt Lake
City

Mickey from Texas

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I just ran across some documents attributed to letters from the late Jaime Holcombe. One of the documents has some very valuable information regarding one of my lineages (a very important one because I have five lines going back to these people). I know that Jaime Holcombe passed away some years back but I am wondering if anyone is familiar with his work, would know where to get authoratative copies of it (perhaps with sources) as well as if there is an official repositor of his research that I could contact?

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The issue I am looking at is the connection between the descendants of Francisco Escobedo, founder of Monte Escobedo and a certain Isabel de Rodas or Isabel de Covarrubias who married a Captain Jacinto Talamantes circa 1630 probably in Zacatecas.

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DC meeting, summer 2007

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Well, I will go out on a limb here, and offer a pot of frijoles and
arroz to all who make the trip to DC in summer 2007. I live in Fairfax
County, VA, just across the river from Washington, DC., and I would be
honored to break tortillas with you in my home.

Natalie

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El Paso and Washington DC

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Natalie:

Thank you for the offer to host Ranchos members in DC. Would this be for the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium at NARA where we met last year?

Thank you for taking such diligent notes on those border crossing records. I have put in an inquiry with the Archivist regarding the remainder of the El Paso records so there may be home yet.

I also live in DC and would be very happy to co-host and help cook for anybody who comes. I live walking distance from NARA.

DC meeting, summer 2007

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I used to live in Woodbridge and then in Old Town Alexandria b4 I made
it to the prairie lands. Marge:)

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Natalie:

Thank you for the offer to host Ranchos members in DC. Would this be for the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium at NARA where we met last year?

Thank you for taking such diligent notes on those border crossing records. I have put in an inquiry with the Archivist regarding the remainder of the El Paso records so there may be home yet.

I also live in DC and would be very happy to co-host and help cook for anybody who comes. I live walking distance from NARA.

El Paso and Washington DC

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Reserve a spot for me. I'm in.

joseph

arturoramos2 wrote:

>Natalie:
>
>Thank you for the offer to host Ranchos members in DC. Would this be for the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium at NARA where we met last year?
>
>Thank you for taking such diligent notes on those border crossing records. I have put in an inquiry with the Archivist regarding the remainder of the El Paso records so there may be home yet.
>
>I also live in DC and would be very happy to co-host and help cook for anybody who comes. I live walking distance from NARA.

El Paso and Washington DC

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Natalie, Joseph and Arturo, Be careful what you wish for, you may have an onslaught of Californio's in the DC/Virginia/North Carolina area, not only Californio's but the rest of the country. As for me it is still too far away to begin making plans but I will keep it on the back burner and if you remind us again in a few months or so I'm sure we will be ready to begin to give it some serious thought and maybe if all the stars line up we can make it happen. Thanks to all for the generous invitation, the food sounds yummy and as for me I can cook and eat anywhere, anytime. I volunteer to cook something if someone will lend me a kitchen. Hasta luego, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo San Jose, Ca.

arturoramos2 wrote:

Natalie:

Thank you for the offer to host Ranchos members in DC. Would this be for the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium at NARA where we met last year?

Thank you for taking such diligent notes on those border crossing records. I have put in an inquiry with the Archivist regarding the remainder of the El Paso records so there may be home yet.

I also live in DC and would be very happy to co-host and help cook for anybody who comes. I live walking distance from NARA.
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MEXICAN POTTERY

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Esperanza, I love the site "Rancho Gordo" thanks for the tip. I loved all of the different ollas shown, Ay que lindura!!! I did go to the home page and they have lots of other topics to check out. gracias Yolanda Medina Perez

latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Yolanda I have a classic olla that I use for cooking my beans. My mother-in-law told me to boil water with salt in it until almost gone for several times before using. I don't know if my pot has lead in it or not, but I purchased it in Michoacan, in
a village where they are famous for them. My mother-in-law and her relatives use these pots all the time to cook and serve...and they are still living....... But just in case, I found this site you might be interested in: http://www.ranchogordo.com/html/rg_cook_claypots.htm Esperanza

RE: MEXICAN POTTERY

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Esperanza.......

I just went to the "Rancho Gordo" website and my mouth is
watering!!! :-) All the recipes sound delicious! I have
nopales de castilla growing by the side of my house and tomorrow I plan to go
pick a few, clean them up and make a nopalito salad. Yum-Yum! Thanks
again for sharing this website!

Josie in San Antonio

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yolanda Bobby
Perez
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:41 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: MEXICAN
POTTERY

Esperanza, I love the site "Rancho Gordo"
thanks for the tip.
I loved all of the different ollas shown, Ay que
lindura!!! I did go to the home page and they have lots
of other topics to check out.
gracias Yolanda Medina
Perez

latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Yolanda
I have a classic olla that I use for cooking my beans. My
mother-in-law told me to boil water with salt in it until almost gone for
several times before using. I don't know if my pot has lead in it or
not, but I purchased it in Michoacan, in a village where they are famous for
them. My mother-in-law and her relatives use these pots all the time to
cook and serve...and they are still living.......

But just in case, I found this site you might be interested in:

http://www.ranchogordo.com/html/rg_cook_claypots.htm

Esperanza

MEXICAN POTTERY

Comment

That Rancho Gordo website has great recipes too, a couple even for
nopales.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA -----

----- Original Message -----
From: latina1955@aol.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:03
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: MEXICAN
POTTERY

Yolanda
I have a classic olla that I use for cooking my beans. My
mother-in-law told me to boil water with salt in it until almost gone for
several times before using. I don't know if my pot has lead in it or
not, but I purchased it in Michoacan, in a village where they are famous for
them. My mother-in-law and her relatives use these pots all the time to
cook and serve...and they are still living.......

But just in case, I found this site you might be interested in:

http://www.ranchogordo.com/html/rg_cook_claypots.htm

Esperanza

Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006

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The Hispanic
Conference in Salt Lake City will be held Saturday, October 14, 2006. I
am expecting to receive the program schedule soon and will post it

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Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006

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Josie,

From your email note, sounds like you're still doing lots of traveling and research. That's good. I have one more surgery (in April) and after that, I hope to do some traveling for research, although I don't think I'll do extensive traveling like you and Mickey.

I had a 12-mark DNA test done and the results of the test indicated two perfect matches. I contacted them and they mentioned that they are pretty sure that I am related to them. If I am related to them, my ancestors derived from Marcos Alonso Garza de Arcon. A couple of individuals have sent me some family leneages for them that trace back to Marco Alonso Garza, but I find no connection.

My Dad remembers growing up in San Fernando, Tamaulipas. Once I feel done with the surgery in Aprl and go through the recovery, I hope to continue my research for my Dad's ancestors, perhaps taking a trip to San Fernando.

It might be difficult to explain, but since you've been to the Hispanic conferences in Texas and Utah, is there much difference between the two? I know the Mormom's library being available during the week is a great plus, but just comparing the conferences.....what are the differences?

Arturo Garza

Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006

Comment

Arturo,

I hope you don't mind me asking, but your message grabbed my attention
by your comment about a recent DNA test.

Have you checked Gary Felix's "Genealogy of Mexico - DNA Project"?

And if so, are the Garzas listed there any of your exact matches?

Saludos,

Victor Villarreal

RE: Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006

Comment

Hi Arturo!

You know you are always in my prayers! You have been
struggling with your health for some time now and, believe me, we are all
praying for you!

The Conference in Salt Lake City is different from ours in
Texas in that it is free! :-) (Or it always has been!)
They have seminars throughout the day and it is all very interesting! It
is an opportunity to meet a lot of really nice people and make new
contacts. Since it is held in Utah a lot of the attendees are from that
area and are very helpful. I met people that "took me under their
wing" and try to help me! There are a lot of Hispanics who live there and
their roots are from Mexico, especially from the interior of Mexico. Lunch
is on your own. It is a very relaxed atmosphere but very
educational. This year I understand it is all being held within the
Library area so there is less walking to other areas for seminars.
The area itself is very large and in the past it required walking a bit;
however, I was told it would be in the Library building so that sounds like more
time learning and less time walking! :-) I will post the
itinerary as soon as I receive it from my contact, one of the persons in charge
of the conference this year.

I am glad you had the DNA testing. Besides having my
only brother tested last fall for my paternal lineage, I also had my maternal
uncle tested and am waiting to receive those results any day. On my
paternal lineage I have a lot of ties to Marcos Alonso Garza. My maternal
lineage, so far, indicates a possibility of an ancestor that was from San
Fernando, Tamaulipas named Maria Dolores Gonzalez (parents were Leonardo
Gonzalez and Dionicia Aguilar) but I have nothing concrete on that yet. I
know for certain that this ancestor was born in Tamaulipas and that it was
either in San Fernando or Matamoros.......the tombstone says "San Fernando" but
the records I have so far indicate "Matamoros" so that makes this puzzle
interesting!

I am posting the hotel and travel information strictly as
an aid to those who might be interested. I have no connection to the
hotels or the library. I am not profiting in any way from any of
this. It is only to make it easy for those who might be interested in
attending and I encourage them to do so. Anyone who has an interest in
genealogy is invited to Salt Lake City anytime but the Hispanic Conference is an
excellent way to get your feet wet. You do NOT have to be a member of
the Ranchos Genealogy group to attend and anyone is welcome. At the
moment, there are PLENTY of rooms available at the Howard Johnson Express Inn
but at the Best Western Plaza Inn the rooms are limited to only those few that
they have set aside for me for the group for the particular days in October that
we want to attend the Conference.

Arturo, I hope your surgery goes well and that you are
back on your feet really soon! Please give some thought to attending
in October if you can! You are in my prayers!

Josie in San Antonio

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
agarza0972@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:58
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Salt
Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006

Josie,

From your email note, sounds like you're still doing lots of traveling and
research. That's good. I have one more surgery (in April) and after
that, I hope to do some traveling for research, although I don't think I'll do
extensive traveling like you and Mickey.

I had a 12-mark DNA test done and the results of the test indicated two
perfect matches. I contacted them and they mentioned that they are pretty
sure that I am related to them. If I am related to them, my ancestors
derived from Marcos Alonso Garza de Arcon. A couple of individuals have
sent me some family leneages for them that trace back to Marco Alonso Garza, but
I find no connection.

My Dad remembers growing up in San Fernando, Tamaulipas. Once I feel
done with the surgery in Aprl and go through the recovery, I hope to continue my
research for my Dad's ancestors, perhaps taking a trip to San Fernando.

It might be difficult to explain, but since you've been to the Hispanic
conferences in Texas and Utah, is there much difference between the two? I
know the Mormom's library being available during the week is a great plus, but
just comparing the conferences.....what are the differences?

Arturo Garza

Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006 ->>

Comment

Hello Josie,

Pardon my intrusion in your conversation, but as you will recall in
one of our previous emails I have an important Treviño line which most
surely is related to yours, and when I read that you had your
brother's YDNA tested I couldn't resist the curiosity and ask if you
have the results listed somewhere?

Saludos Cordiales,

Victor

RE: Salt Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006 ->>

Comment

Hi Victor!!

It is so good to hear from you.........and...... you are
not intruding!!! :-)

Yes, my brother's results are posted on the Gary Felix
website. My brother's name is Julian Mike Trevino but my name and/or
e-mail address is listed as the contact person since my brother has no interest
in genealogy. I am the one doing it all! :-) I would
love to share anything I have with you that I may have.....let me know when you
check out the website, ok?

Gracias!

Josie en San Antonio

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
v.h.villarreal
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:17
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Salt
Lake City, Oct. 14, 2006 ->>

Hello Josie,

Pardon my intrusion in your conversation, but
as you will recall in
one of our previous emails I have an important Treviño
line which most
surely is related to yours, and when I read that you had
your
brother's YDNA tested I couldn't resist the curiosity and ask if
you
have the results listed somewhere?

Saludos
Cordiales,

Victor

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Memories of food from Tepatitlan

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Hi Esperanza,

My father was born in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. I have
been looking for relatives or someone who may have known his
relatives there. Does anyone in your family know the Romero or de la
Torre families from that area? My father's name was Ramon Romero,
his parents were Castulo Romero and Sofia de la Torre, his
grandparents were Manuel Romero and Marcelina de la Torre. Sofia's

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Tepatitlan

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That is an amazing story. My dad was big on family medicine and natural cures. He has a cousin named Esperanza. I don't know where she is now because I haven't been able to find any living family members in Mexico. One of my clues is on a letter my mother wrote to her aunt while in Tepatitlan or Guadalajara with my dad. It was back in early 1942 while they were staying on a ranch belonging to my dad's Uncle Adolph (probably de la Torre). The letter is on stationery belonging to "La Sultana" Gran Chocolateria, Molina y Tostador de Cafe, Av. Alvaro Obregon 295, Guadalajara. The Chocolateria was owned by a member of the family.
I had my brother's dna tested and he is haplogroup J2. I've seen only 1 other person with that haplogroup in Mexico, and it was in Jalisco. But it isn't a match.
I'm hoping someday that someone on the Rancho's group will pop up with information that will help.
Good luck in your research.
Linda
On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Hi Linda, My foster father's family last name was Hurtado. I might be able to find out about his mothers name from my foster sister who lives in Guadalajara...we are very close. I have an interesting memory of Tepatitlan. We went to Tepatitlan, where we stayed with my foster father's relatives (I believe they were his sisters), when I became seriously ill with a high fever combined with severe diarrhea, yet I was extremely cold. These women "cured" me using a mixture of lard and salt which they covered my whole body with. They then wrapped me in many blankets and began to chant some incantations combined with prayer. I slept for 2 days and when I awoke, I was ravenous and just fine. Esperanza

Linda R Romeroromero89@earthlink.net

Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss, Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge,Barba, Brewster

Tepatitlan

Comment

Linda,

This is in response to your comment about your brother's J2
haplogroup. I was just looking at the results in Gary Felix's page
and there are at least 10 persons with the same haplogroup with roots
in Mexico, including your brother.

There are other resources on the interner where you can do a search
for haplotype matches, for example: www.ysearch.org and www.ybase.org

Saludos,

Victor

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Just a reminder that the Northern Cal meeting is scheduled for this
Saturday, March 4th at 11:30. All the past participants have been
notified and have received copies of the agenda. Any other interested
parties, please direct your questions directly to me: mcortez3@gmail.com

Thank you,

Maria

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Where is the northern cali meeting going to be at?

~~glo~~

From: "readysetgo95814"
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To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Nor Cal Meeting
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:55:14 -0000

Thank you,

Maria

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The Northern Cal. meeting is tomorrow at Vallejo's 1331 O
Street--Sacramento

Irma Gomez

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Sandoval-Fuentes
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:05 AM
To:
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Subject: RE: [ranchos] Nor Cal
Meeting

Where is the northern cali meeting going to be
at?

~~glo~~

From: "readysetgo95814"

Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Nor Cal Meeting
Date: Fri, 03
Mar 2006 00:55:14 -0000

Just a reminder that the Northern Cal meeting is
scheduled for this
Saturday, March 4th at 11:30. All the past participants
have been
notified and have received copies of the agenda. Any other
interested
parties, please direct your questions directly to me:
mcortez3@gmail.com

Thank
you,

Maria

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The meeting is going to be at Vallejo's Restaurant, 1331 O ST, in
Sacramento.

Sorry for not responding sooner, but I am registered to Ranchos in
web-only mode. I don't receive the messages in my inbox and have to
check online. As a result, I probably miss half the messages that
are being sent. Luckily, another member brought this message to my
attention.

I hope more of you can make it to the meeting. We have about 15
people coming.

Maria

Natalie in VA

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Natalie; The first meeting, as is so common, was a just "get to know everybody" type. I just was so happy to put faces on the names. It is now more fulfilling to see Peggy Delgato's name (example) and know her as a real person that I have met and spoken to. Once the ice is broken, the subsequent activities can be planned with more confidence and with people you "know". For me, it was especially nice to meet Deena Ortiz. We had a common interest and it was nice to share a moment.

A veteran's conversation with Olivia's husband

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I had a great conversation with a great guy who was a Vietnam Vet, like myself. I came away with information more valuable than a link to my family. The food was great and the conversations were equally facinating. But Olivia's husband (really great and interesting guy) told me about the VA hospital and registration for the disability benefits. Olivia, please thank him for me.

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A veteran's conversation with Olivia's husband

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Jose Luis,
Your very, very welcomed. It was a real pleasure having you all over. I know my husband had a great time just watching everyone buzz around and share. He said he was fascinated by everyone's passion. We've always laughed about the fact that he majored in, and teaches history yet he doesn't have the patience for genealogy research. He did tell me later that he found a kindred soul in you and that he really enjoyed talking with you.

Con cariÃ±o,
Olivia

zendean wrote:

I had a great conversation with a great guy who was a Vietnam Vet, like myself. I came away with information more valuable than a link to my family. The food was great and the conversations were equally facinating. But Olivia's husband (really great and
interesting guy) told me about the VA hospital and registration for the disability benefits. Olivia, please thank him for me. There is a bond that has been born within this group that the meeting at Olivia's house helped to cement. Olivia, please accept my most sincere thanks for hosting this event. Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Sent: Mar 2, 2006 4:50 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] So Cal meeting - a question

Hi Natalie,
You'll probably hear more from others who attended, but I'll give you my take on the meeting. Unfortunately, I was still busy in the kitchen when people started to arrive so I wasn't able to hear what everybody had to say. I do know that as each person arrived, they were instantly involved in a "what's your family line" conversation.

We
followed a rather loose agenda. At the start the focus was more on meeting each other and getting somewhat familiar with the specific areas we each are researching. Everyone brought records and some books, so a lot of the time was used matching up similar ancestors. Rosalinda was of tremendous help because she is very familiar with various methods of researching online, as well as some methods/techniques used at the various research centers, i.e., NARA, Family History Centers, local libraries. Some who had communicated online, continued discussions previously started, but which now were helped along by being able to share information in person. Rosalinda and a few others brought along some of the books that provide historical information as well as records information - Ronnie Reynoso had a copy of Jose Luis' book on Nochistlan, Zac, and Rosalinda (if I remember correctly) had a book on marriage dispensations as well as other items she
shared with the group. Rosalinda also handed out a sheet on which was printed quite a few beneficial web sites.

People started arriving exactly at 11:30 and the last person left at about 4:00 p.m. Almost the entire time was spent in discussion. Lunch was served about 1:30, but even then my husband had to kinda bully people away from their conversations and to the meal.

Olivia
Natalie wrote:

I've looked at all the messages regarding the SoCal meeting - but
haven't found information regarding the proceedings of the meeting
(except for the wonderful lunch the rest of us missed; excuse me for
drooling). What was the agenda? What things were discussed? Could
someone please share some insights into what went
on in the meeting,
what you got out of it, and if you will schedule another. Thanks for
sharing.

Natalie in VA

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Hispanic Genealogy Conference in Riverside, CA

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Any Rancho members planning to attend the following conference?

March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference, Riverside
George Ryskamp, BYU Center for Family History & Genealogy
Classes by Spanish/English, Prof. Ryskamp and BYU students

Saw this listed in the Somos Primos table of contents (posted o/a Mar
1, '06)- check Somos Primos for details (I guess).

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Hispanic Genealogy Conference in Riverside, CA

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I'm hoping to attend, but I'm having to do some juggling first so I'm not 100% sure yet.

Olivia
Rowland Hts., CA

Natalie wrote:

Any Rancho members planning to attend the following conference?

March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference, Riverside
George Ryskamp, BYU Center for Family History & Genealogy
Classes by Spanish/English, Prof. Ryskamp and BYU students

Saw this listed in the Somos Primos table of contents (posted o/a Mar
1, '06)- check Somos Primos for details (I guess).

Natalie

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RE: Hispanic Genealogy Conference in Riverside, CA

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I HIGHLY recommend this to anyone who can make
it! I wish I could go!!!

Josie
in San Antonio

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Friday, March 03, 2006 5:14 PM
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ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Hispanic Genealogy
Conference in Riverside, CA

Any Rancho members planning to attend the following
conference?

March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference,
Riverside
George
Ryskamp, BYU Center for Family History &
Genealogy
Classes by
Spanish/English, Prof. Ryskamp and BYU students

Saw this listed in the
Somos Primos table of contents (posted o/a Mar
1, '06)- check Somos Primos
for details (I guess).

Natalie

Memories of food

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RE: Memories of food

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Hi Esperanza:

I think it was common back in the days or even in
present time to do that. I even catch myself doing it with my family. My mom use
to make us (Children) separate food from my father because he liked his food
extremely hot/Spicy! She would make herself the same thing as my father but
without all the jalapeños/serranos/chile de arbol. It eventually changed when we
got older and we were able to love the food as hot as my
dad.

In my house my husband and I love to put chile in
everything we eat and my kids do not like it. So, I have to prepare them
something completely different. It's sad to say but my 7yr old son has
refused to eat mexican food for a long time because he thinks it looks
disgusting . . . But I'm changing all that!!! Last week he ate a burrito de
Chorizo and loved it. I'm more than willing to share recipes with the group. I'm
married to someone from Jalisco, so I have made it my mission to learn a lot of
dishes from my target area. I also have purchased the recipe book,
Frida's Fiestas : Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida
Kahlo.

It is an awesome book with great recipes I recommend
it. I will add some from there . . .

~Janet Iglesias
Murrieta, CA

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Memories of food

Joseph,

I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like to
share.

I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was from
LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan.

He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home
mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce" for
breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the best cook,
but it was always good and substantial). When we got home from school, we
did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her husband his own meal
(always different from what she served us or herself). We would always
wonder why he got the "special" looking stuff, but dared not ask. Later,
we would eat something light, like tostadas, and right before bed we would have
our pan dulce with our leche.

One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers were out
playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be chaperoned at
all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it with such delight,
and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but I did not like it.
This was one of the first times that I had ever seen her eat or
prepare fish - she said it reminded her of childhood, but did not
elaborate.

Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and not
necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days, nor did we
ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family. Just recently, I
learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to fish at the Laguna de
Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare special meals for
her husband and separate meals for herself and us.

I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew up?
Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime and a light
supper provided?

Esperanza

Memories of food

Comment

Janet,

I have that Frida Kahlo book too. I just love it. I would love
to have a little blue house decorated just like hers, but my husband, like his
aunts in Mexico, hates anything "ethnic" in décor. He likes only
contemporary. My sister is so lucky. Not that she is a widow, but
that she is able to decorate her house just like Frida's with Diego Rivera
reproductions and some of Frida's art too. She and I are always on the lookout
for items to duplicate from that book -- Mexican pottery, glassware, etc.
We also have coffee table books of Diego Rivera's paintings. My art
teacher once told me I should have been a muralist like him since she said my
paintings were always so outsized.

In the other group I belong to there is a fellow from Jerez, (where my
father was born) whose father cooks the dishes from Jerez. I will ask
him for his father's favorite foods and beg for the recipes.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet V. Iglesias
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:53
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Memories of
food

Hi Esperanza:

I think it was common back in the days or even in
present time to do that. I even catch myself doing it with my family. My mom
use to make us (Children) separate food from my father because he liked his
food extremely hot/Spicy! She would make herself the same thing as my father
but without all the jalapeños/serranos/chile de arbol. It eventually changed
when we got older and we were able to love the food as hot as my
dad.

In my house my husband and I love to put chile in
everything we eat and my kids do not like it. So, I have to prepare them
something completely different. It's sad to say but my 7yr old son has
refused to eat mexican food for a long time because he thinks it looks
disgusting . . . But I'm changing all that!!! Last week he ate a burrito de
Chorizo and loved it. I'm more than willing to share recipes with the group.
I'm married to someone from Jalisco, so I have made it my mission to learn a
lot of dishes from my target area. I also have purchased the recipe book,
Frida's Fiestas : Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida
Kahlo.

It is an awesome book with great recipes I
recommend it. I will add some from there . . .

~Janet Iglesias
Murrieta, CA

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latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Memories of food

Joseph,

I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like to
share.

I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was from
LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan.

He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home
mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce" for
breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the best
cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we got home from
school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her husband
his own meal (always different from what she served us or herself). We
would always wonder why he got the "special" looking stuff, but dared not
ask. Later, we would eat something light, like tostadas, and right
before bed we would have our pan dulce with our leche.

One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers were
out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be chaperoned
at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it with such
delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but I did not
like it. This was one of the first times that I had ever seen
her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her of childhood, but did not
elaborate.

Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and not
necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days, nor did we
ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family. Just recently, I
learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to fish at the Laguna de
Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare special meals for
her husband and separate meals for herself and us.

I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew
up? Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime and
a light supper provided?

Esperanza

Memories of food

Comment

Emilie:

I'm a die hard fan of Frida Kahlo as well . . . I was 10 years old when my parents took me to Guanajuato and we were able to walk thorough one of their homes (Diego & Frida). It was beautiful and I will never forget it. Since then I have made it a mission to read about her as much as possible. I'm contemplating on buying her diary. Have you read it? I also love the movie! I cried my eyes out! About Mexican pottery . . . I have tons because I'm always going to Tijuana to visit family, it's great to live so close to the border.

Janet Iglesias

From: "Emilie Garcia"
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories of food
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:03:01 -0800

Janet,

I have that Frida Kahlo book too. I just love it. I would love to have a little blue house decorated just like hers, but my husband, like his aunts in Mexico, hates anything "ethnic" in d

MEXICAN POTTERY

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JANET, HOW DO YOU CURE MEXICAN POTTERY FOR COOKING? I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS, I JUST PURCHASED SOME OLLAS/ POTS AND NEED SOME ASSISTANCE. PERHAPS OTHERS IN THE GROUP HAVE AN IDEA. I WAS TOLD THAT IN DURANGO THEY USE "CAL" MIX IT WITH WATER UNTILL IT MAKES A PASTE AND COVER THE INSIDE OF THE POTS, IT THEN CURES FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS AND IS WASHED THROUGHLY. ONE MUST ALWAYS USE GLOVES TO APPLY THE LYE BECAUSE IT BURNS THE SKIN. I JUST CAN'T QUITE BRING MYSELF TO USE THIS METHOD....WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK???? I WOULD LOVE TO COOK BEANS IN MY NEW OLLA JUST LIKE MY ABUELA AURELIA USED TOO, BUT..... I AM LEARY! YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

janet iglesias
wrote:

Emilie: I'm a die hard fan of Frida Kahlo as well . . . I was 10 years old when my parents took me to Guanajuato and we were able to walk thorough one of their homes (Diego & Frida). It was beautiful and I will never forget it. Since then I have made it a mission to read about her as much as possible. I'm contemplating on buying her diary. Have you read it? I also love the movie! I cried my eyes out! About Mexican pottery . . . I have tons because I'm always going to Tijuana to visit family, it's great to live so close to the border.

Janet Iglesias

From: "Emilie Garcia"
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories of food
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:03:01 -0800

Janet, I have that Frida Kahlo book too. I just love it. I would love to have a little blue house decorated just like hers, but my husband, like his aunts in Mexico, hates anything "ethnic" in décor. He likes only contemporary. My sister is so lucky. Not that she is a widow, but that she is able to decorate her house just like Frida's with Diego Rivera reproductions and some of Frida's art too. She and I are always on the lookout
for items to duplicate from that book -- Mexican pottery, glassware, etc. We also have coffee table books of Diego Rivera's paintings. My art teacher once told me I should have been a muralist like him since she said my paintings were always so outsized. In the other group I belong to there is a fellow from Jerez, (where my father was born) whose father cooks the dishes from Jerez. I will ask him for his father's favorite foods and beg for the recipes. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message ----- From: Janet V. Iglesias To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [ranchos] Memories of food
Hi Esperanza: I think it was common back in the days or even in present time to do that. I even catch myself doing it with my family. My mom use to make us (Children) separate food from my father because he liked his food extremely hot/Spicy! She would make herself the same thing as my father but without all the jalapeños/serranos/chile de arbol. It eventually changed when we got older
and we were able to love the food as hot as my dad. In my house my husband and I love to put chile in everything we eat and my kids do not like it. So, I have to prepare them something completely different. It's sad to say but my 7yr old son has refused to eat mexican food for a long time because he thinks it looks disgusting . . . But I'm changing all that!!! Last week he ate a burrito de Chorizo and loved it. I'm more than willing to share recipes with the group. I'm married to someone from Jalisco, so I have made it my mission to learn a lot of dishes from my target area. I also have purchased the recipe book, Frida's Fiestas : Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida Kahlo. It is an awesome book with great recipes I recommend it. I will add some from there . . . ~Janet Iglesias Murrieta, CA

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories of food

Joseph, I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like to share. I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was from LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan. He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce" for breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the best cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we got home from school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her husband his own meal (always different from what she served us or herself). We would
always wonder why he got the "special" looking stuff, but dared not ask. Later, we would eat something light, like tostadas, and right before bed we would have our pan dulce with our leche. One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers were out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be chaperoned at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it with such delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but I did not like it. This was one of the first times that I had ever seen her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her of childhood, but did not elaborate. Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and not necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days, nor did we ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family. Just recently, I learned that her father was a fisherman - he
used to fish at the Laguna de Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare special meals for her husband and separate meals for herself and us. I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew up? Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime and a light supper provided? Esperanza

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Yolanda,

I use the pottery strictly as a decorative item. What I have is old
and may be lead-based and not food safe. I wouldn't try to cure it
myself. Some newer Mexican pottery is food-safe, but I would not cook in
it, I would maybe serve food in it and then with a liner only.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Yolanda Bobby Perez
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:33
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: MEXICAN
POTTERY

JANET,
HOW DO YOU CURE MEXICAN POTTERY FOR COOKING? I
UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS, I JUST PURCHASED SOME OLLAS/
POTS AND NEED SOME ASSISTANCE. PERHAPS OTHERS IN THE GROUP HAVE AN
IDEA.    I WAS TOLD THAT IN DURANGO THEY USE "CAL" MIX IT
WITH WATER UNTILL IT MAKES A PASTE AND COVER THE INSIDE OF THE POTS, IT
THEN CURES FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS AND IS WASHED
THROUGHLY.    ONE MUST ALWAYS USE GLOVES TO APPLY THE LYE
BECAUSE IT BURNS THE SKIN. I JUST CAN'T QUITE BRING MYSELF TO USE THIS
METHOD....WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK????
I WOULD LOVE TO COOK BEANS IN MY NEW OLLA JUST LIKE MY
ABUELA AURELIA USED TOO,   BUT..... I AM LEARY!

YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

janet iglesias
wrote:

Emilie:
I'm a die hard fan of Frida Kahlo as well . . . I was 10 years old when
my parents took me to Guanajuato and we were able to walk thorough one of
their homes (Diego & Frida). It was beautiful and I will never forget
it. Since then I have made it a mission to read about her as much as
possible. I'm contemplating on buying her diary. Have you read it? I also
love the movie! I cried my eyes out! About Mexican pottery . . . I have tons
because I'm always going to Tijuana to visit family, it's great to live so
close to the border.

Janet Iglesias

From: "Emilie Garcia"

Reply-To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:

Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Memories of food
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:03:01
-0800

Janet,

I have that Frida Kahlo book too. I just love it. I would
love to have a little blue house decorated just like hers, but my husband,
like his aunts in Mexico, hates anything "ethnic" in décor. He likes
only contemporary. My sister is so lucky. Not that she is a
widow, but that she is able to decorate her house just like Frida's with
Diego Rivera reproductions and some of Frida's art too. She and I are
always on the lookout for items to duplicate from that book -- Mexican
pottery, glassware, etc. We also have coffee table books of Diego
Rivera's paintings. My art teacher once told me I should have been a
muralist like him since she said my paintings were always so
outsized.

In the other group I belong to there is a fellow from Jerez, (where
my father was born) whose father cooks the dishes from Jerez. I
will ask him for his father's favorite foods and beg for the recipes.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet V. Iglesias
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:53
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Memories of
food

Hi Esperanza:

I think it was common back in the days or
even in present time to do that. I even catch myself doing it with my
family. My mom use to make us (Children) separate food from my father
because he liked his food extremely hot/Spicy! She would make herself
the same thing as my father but without all the jalapeños/serranos/chile
de arbol. It eventually changed when we got older and we were able to
love the food as hot as my dad.

In my house my husband and I love to put
chile in everything we eat and my kids do not like it. So, I have to
prepare them something completely different. It's sad to say but
my 7yr old son has refused to eat mexican food for a long time
because he thinks it looks disgusting . . . But I'm changing all that!!!
Last week he ate a burrito de Chorizo and loved it. I'm more than
willing to share recipes with the group. I'm married to someone from
Jalisco, so I have made it my mission to learn a lot of dishes from my
target area. I also have purchased the recipe book, Frida's
Fiestas : Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida
Kahlo.

It is an awesome book with great recipes I
recommend it. I will add some from there . . .

~Janet Iglesias
Murrieta, CA

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[ranchos] Memories of food

Joseph,

I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like
to share.

I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was
from LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan.

He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home
mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce"
for breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't
the best cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we
got home from school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would
serve her husband his own meal (always different from what she served us
or herself). We would always wonder why he got the "special"
looking stuff, but dared not ask. Later, we would eat something
light, like tostadas, and right before bed we would have our pan dulce
with our leche.

One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers
were out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be
chaperoned at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it
with such delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it,
but I did not like it. This was one of the first times
that I had ever seen her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her
of childhood, but did not elaborate.

Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and
not necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days,
nor did we ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family.
Just recently, I learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to
fish at the Laguna de Chapala. It saddened me that she would
prepare special meals for her husband and separate meals for
herself and us.

I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew
up? Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before
bedtime and a light supper provided?

Esperanza

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Memories of food

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Janet,

No, I didn't know Frida's diary was published. I will order it from
Amazon. Thanks,

Emilie

----- Original Message -----
From: janet iglesias
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:08
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories of
food

Emilie:

I'm a die hard fan of Frida Kahlo as well . . . I was 10 years old when my
parents took me to Guanajuato and we were able to walk thorough one of their
homes (Diego & Frida). It was beautiful and I will never forget it. Since
then I have made it a mission to read about her as much as possible. I'm
contemplating on buying her diary. Have you read it? I also love the movie! I
cried my eyes out! About Mexican pottery . . . I have tons because I'm always
going to Tijuana to visit family, it's great to live so close to the
border.

Janet Iglesias

From: "Emilie Garcia"
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ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories
of food
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:03:01 -0800

Janet,

I have that Frida Kahlo book too. I just love it. I would
love to have a little blue house decorated just like hers, but my husband,
like his aunts in Mexico, hates anything "ethnic" in décor. He likes
only contemporary. My sister is so lucky. Not that she is a
widow, but that she is able to decorate her house just like Frida's with
Diego Rivera reproductions and some of Frida's art too. She and I are always
on the lookout for items to duplicate from that book -- Mexican pottery,
glassware, etc. We also have coffee table books of Diego Rivera's
paintings. My art teacher once told me I should have been a muralist
like him since she said my paintings were always so outsized.

In the other group I belong to there is a fellow from Jerez, (where my
father was born) whose father cooks the dishes from Jerez. I will
ask him for his father's favorite foods and beg for the recipes.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet V. Iglesias
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:53
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Memories of
food

Hi Esperanza:

I think it was common back in the days or even
in present time to do that. I even catch myself doing it with my family.
My mom use to make us (Children) separate food from my father because he
liked his food extremely hot/Spicy! She would make herself the same thing
as my father but without all the jalapeños/serranos/chile de arbol. It
eventually changed when we got older and we were able to love the food as
hot as my dad.

In my house my husband and I love to put chile
in everything we eat and my kids do not like it. So, I have to prepare
them something completely different. It's sad to say but my 7yr old
son has refused to eat mexican food for a long time because he thinks it
looks disgusting . . . But I'm changing all that!!! Last week he ate a
burrito de Chorizo and loved it. I'm more than willing to share recipes
with the group. I'm married to someone from Jalisco, so I have made it my
mission to learn a lot of dishes from my target area. I also have
purchased the recipe book, Frida's Fiestas : Recipes and
Reminiscences of Life with Frida Kahlo.

It is an awesome book with great recipes I
recommend it. I will add some from there . . .

~Janet Iglesias
Murrieta, CA

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Memories of food

Joseph,

I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like to
share.

I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was
from LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan.

He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home
mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce"
for breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the
best cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we got home
from school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her
husband his own meal (always different from what she served us or
herself). We would always wonder why he got the "special" looking
stuff, but dared not ask. Later, we would eat something light, like
tostadas, and right before bed we would have our pan dulce with our
leche.

One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers
were out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be
chaperoned at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it
with such delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but
I did not like it. This was one of the first times that I
had ever seen her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her of
childhood, but did not elaborate.

Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and
not necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days,
nor did we ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family.
Just recently, I learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to fish
at the Laguna de Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare
special meals for her husband and separate meals for herself and
us.

I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew
up? Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime
and a light supper provided?

Esperanza

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Esperanza,

About the light dinners: I think that in Mexico the main meal is
between 1-3 pm, so no one has much of an appetite in the evening, but in order
not to go to bed hungry, they would have something like the English Tea. I
remember my husband's aunts in Mexico City saying we were going to have "Cake"
and coffee and liquers in the evening. My husband says that as children
they were served hot chocolate and wedges of pan dulce around 7:30 or 8:00 pm
right before they went to bed. In the morning they ate "tortas"
(omelettes) and coffee with lots of sugar and milk. My husband still likes
his milk and sugar with a little bit of coffee, ha, ha., Adults stayed up
late. I remember I could hear guitars all night long everywhere in Mexico
that we went.

About the feeding of the menfolk: In the old days, women were mostly
stay-at-home moms whose job was to cater to the men. If there was meat or
anything special for the main meal around noon the men were served first and
only what they liked exactly as they liked it - no trying out new recipes on
them!-- since they had to go back to work. Women and children ate
what was left, or ate something else like a light dinner. My mother
always served men guests first. That was the custom.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: latina1955@aol.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:13
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Memories of
food

Joseph,

I just loved your story. It reminded me of one I would like to
share.

I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was from
LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan.

He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home
mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce" for
breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the best
cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we got home from
school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her husband
his own meal (always different from what she served us or herself). We
would always wonder why he got the "special" looking stuff, but dared not
ask. Later, we would eat something light, like tostadas, and right
before bed we would have our pan dulce with our leche.

One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers were
out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be chaperoned
at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it with such
delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but I did not
like it. This was one of the first times that I had ever seen
her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her of childhood, but did not
elaborate.

Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and not
necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days, nor did we
ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family. Just recently, I
learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to fish at the Laguna de
Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare special meals for
her husband and separate meals for herself and us.

I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew
up? Can anyone tell me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime and
a light supper provided?

Esperanza

Memories of food

Comment

Esperanza,
I'm not sure if or how this might connect to your story, but my maternal grandparents, who were from Sinaloa (my Nana was from Mocorito Sinaloa, my Tata was born in Batopila, Chihuahua, but raised in Sinaloa) had a similar routine. We always had pan dulce in the house and I remember that my Tata always ate a breakfast of pan dulce, slices of cheese and his cafesito every morning. If there was ever a variation from this it was the addition of some frijolitos now and then. We children (lots of cousins) were fed avena (oatmeal), toast with butter and usually orange juice. Lunch was generally the biggest meals and included some type of caldo (soup-homade) or meat or fish, vegetables (usually fresh cooked), and milk. Dinner was generally served around 4:00 p.m. and consisted of a small portion of meat or fish, fresh cooked vegetables, a salad (usually lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers) and tea made fresh from avacado leaves or lemmon grass
(not to mention yerba buena). Before going to bed my Nana would always serve jello, into which mixed fruit or sliced bananas had been added. Although the meals my Tata ate weren't always different from ours, my grandfather always ate seperately, but I never thought to ask why. Back then we would have Sunday dinner at my grandparent's home (8 daughter's, their husbands, and their children-each daghter had at least three or more kids), and even then dinner was served to the men separately.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Heights, CA

latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Joseph, I just loved your
story. It reminded me of one I would like to share. I was raised by foster parents from Jalisco, my foster mother was from LaBarca while my foster father was from Tepatitlan. He worked for Santa Fe, the graveyard shift, she was a stay-at-home mom. Our eating routine usually started with "leche con pan dulce" for breakfast. We came home to a hot meal every day (she wasn't the best cook, but it was always good and substantial). When we got home from school, we did chores, homework, etc. Then she would serve her husband his own meal (always different from what she served us or herself). We would always wonder why he got the "special" looking stuff, but dared not ask. Later, we would eat something light, like tostadas, and right before bed we would have our pan dulce with our leche. One night, when my foster father was working and my brothers
were out playing (I was never allowed to go out and play, as I had to be chaperoned at all times), I saw her eating fish. She was eating it with such delight, and I asked to taste it. She let me taste it, but I did not like it. This was one of the first times that I had ever seen her eat or prepare fish - she said it reminded her of childhood, but did not elaborate. Now that left an impression upon me, because fish was expensive and not necessarily readily available in Chicago (fresh) during those days, nor did we ever get fish when we went to Jalisco visiting family. Just recently, I learned that her father was a fisherman - he used to fish at the Laguna de Chapala. It saddened me that she would prepare special meals for her husband and separate meals for herself and us. I am wondering if anyone else had a similar ritual when they grew up? Can anyone tell
me why pan dulce was served right before bedtime and a light supper provided? Esperanza

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RE: Olivia's "Nuestra Vida" Project

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What a sweet story, Joseph. Darn it! A reminder

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Eat more napales....
My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco, and she cooks and
uses napales with eggs, in salads, pork, gorditas, all
kinds of chiles and meats, and you name it.

Also, my relatives from La de Luna (a small ranch just
outside of Jerez, Zacatecas) are now selling the
napales to a foreign company (I believe a Japanse
company) that makes a beauty cream, vitamins, and
medicine from the Naple.

Yes, Zacatecas is the Napal capital of the world.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

Olivia's "Nuestra Vida" Project

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I vaguely remember that my mother would fix nopales for my father, who was
born in and lived in Jerez from 1903 to 1913. I think he said that he had
liked them since he was a child in Jerez. Mother was from New Mexico,
where I don't remember anyone eating nopales. My mother fixed them plain,
diced and sauteed, as a side dish. I liked them; they tasted a little like
green beans. My husband, who grew up in El Paso, TX says his father and uncles
would gather them along the river, but he says he didn't like them because they
were painful to eat. My mother must have removed the thorns completely
since I found them tender to eat.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Alberto
Duarte
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:12
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Olivia's "Nuestra
Vida" Project

Eat more napales....
My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco,
and she cooks and
uses napales with eggs, in salads, pork, gorditas,
all
kinds of chiles and meats, and you name it.

Also, my
relatives from La de Luna (a small ranch just
outside of Jerez, Zacatecas)
are now selling the
napales to a foreign company (I believe a
Japanse
company) that makes a beauty cream, vitamins, and
medicine from
the Naple.

Yes, Zacatecas is the Napal capital of the
world.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Irma
GomezLucero wrote:

> What a sweet
story, Joseph. Darn it! A reminder
> that I have to put
the
> stories down that I hear. I need to make time....

>
> Funny. My parents would always make nopales
en
> ensalada--(cooked
> nopales with chopped raw onions,
cilantro, tomatoes
> & chiles serranos or
> jalapenos--
probably what your mom cooked for your
> dad or was it
>
different? I didn't learn about nopales with chile
> and carne de
puerco,
> until recently from a co-worker whose family was
> from
Chihuahua. When I
> asked my mom about this. She responded,
that isn't
> a dish from
> Chihuahua. We make it in Jalisco
too, but you know
> how your dad is
> about pork. He's not
fond of pork, but makes the
> best carnitas. Go
>
figure...
> Irma
>
>
________________________________
>
> From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:06
AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Olivia's
"Nuestra Vida" Project
>
>
> easy, just start a few
catagories like the ones I
> suggested and have
> people send in
their stories related to each in
> relation (somehow) to
> their
relatives who came from our target area. In
> the story below
you
> have my mom who was from El Paso and my dad born in
> Santa
Paula, but the
> influence--my grandmother-- was from Jalisco. .

>
> for example my mom used to make nopales in the plain
>
style without chile
> sauteed after being boiled even though from
her
> childhood she liked the
> style of them being cooked in a
chile sauce. Why did
> she do that? Well
> because my grandmother
who was born in Las Animas,
> Santa Maria de Los
> Angeles,
Jalisco, was a strict mother-in-law when it
> came to the wifes
>
of her beloved sons (anyone else ever hear of how
> much the mothers
loved
> their sons?) and though this marriage survived until
>
death did part them
> there were other marriages from my uncles
that
> didn't because of the
> macho domineering type of attitude
the sons of my
> grandparents had about
> how they should be cared
for by their wives. In my
> marriage my wife
> doesn't cook for
me. . .she just cooks. And for that
> matter when I
> sometimes
cook I don't cook for her I just cook. but
> that wasn't the
>
case in my parents lives. I think I said to the
> group before that
one
> day I caught my mom eating her nopales with chile
> not many
months after
> my dad died. And she was crying while she ate
them.
> I asked her why she
> was crying and she said that she was
eating nopales
> the way she liked
> them. I didn't understand and
asked for an
> explanation. She said my
> father liked them plain
and for all the years she
> had been married to
> him she hadn't
eaten them like she liked them with
> chile because she
> knew he
liked them plain. Now as she was eating them
> her preferred way
>
with chile it reminded her of his death.
>
> it was different
customs and ideas and traditions
> that produced us and
> Olivia
taking the reins of a project like this is
> extremely important.
I
> don't know if you know folks or subsets of the
> Ranchos group
personally
> but if you could gather some oral history that
would
> be great. Oral
> history especially when its just stories
of what
> happened during a time
> of youth are full of the
customs and traditions that
> influenced us
> today.
>

> basically we would need to take stories like above
> and put
them into
> each catagory and upload them into folders on the
>
new site. No sense if
> we are going to "soon" be moving over to the
new
> site to build anything
> new on the Yahoo site,
>

> joseph
>
>
>
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
wrote:
>
>
>       You're a great
sales person Joseph. I'd be more
> than happy to
> oversee
this. I just have to figure out how and
> what I'm doing.

>
>
      Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
>
      Rowland Heights, CA
>

>       Joseph
Puentes
>
>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
      Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:
>

>
            > I know that
our first and foremost task as a
> Ranchos
> member is the

>             >
research of our families, but I think it would
> be
> interesting
to look
>
> at the various family customs/traditions that
> have
> been
passed down
>
      > through the generations, including the
different
> foods
> and their
>
            > variations.
Is anyone else interested?
>

>
      names are just a brief part of what our
research
> should
> be about. I
>
            would much
rather only know our great grandparents
> and
> know all the

>             little
details of their lives that they passed
> onto our
> grandparents
so
>             we
could have a much better picture of the things
> that
> influenced
why we
>
were taught what we were taught.
>

>
      Yes please do start a recipe area in the
files,
> start a
> customs area in
>
            the files, start
a music area in the files, start
> a
> cuentos area in the

>             files,
start a baile area in the files, start a
> ???? in
> the files.
But
>
remember we are aiming at Jalisco, Zacatecas and
> Aguascalientes. Even

>             though
we aim at that target area doesn't mean
> we'll
> always hit it,
but
>
with a steady aim we should hit it more often than
> not.
>

>
            Thank you Olivia
you have found your niche in the
> Ranchos group,
>
            oversite of the
"Nuestra Vida" project. . . i
> appreciate
> you taking over

>             this
part of our research by volunteering to be in
> a
> complete
overview
>
      position of this new path. . . .that is what
you
> just
> volunteered for
>
            isn't
it????
>

>
thanks,
>

>
joseph
>

>             ps: Now
do you see the posibilities? If this new
> path
> takes off and

>             becomes
popular we can eventually create a new
> email
> list for these
kind
>             of
postings. That way if the few in the group that
> are
> not really

>
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Oh - I just love this sharing of stories of culture passed on and
culture transformed. I am looking forward to the stories you all will
be sharing on 'Nuestros Ranchos' (as soon as I get the nerve to try and
figure out the ins and outs of signing up - or whatever it's
called ... ;).
It very much reminds of that first tenent of Genealogy:
explore/research what you know best - START WITH YOURSELF (excuse me
for shouting). If we don't preserve OUR stories, who will?
(I talk big - but I don't often follow my own advice).

So here is a little saying i stumbled across, that applies to our
genealogical journey:
Buen principio, la mitad es hecha.
(With a good beginning, half the task is done.)
(This is from a collection of Mexican sayings, collected by Octavio A.
Ballesteros).
OK - this is all for now - y'all take care.

Natalie in VA

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Natalie wrote:

Oh - I just love this sharing of stories of culture passed on and 
culture transformed. I am looking forward to the stories you all will 
be sharing on 'Nuestros Ranchos' (as soon as I get the nerve to try and 
figure out the ins and outs of signing up - or whatever it's 
called ... ;).

If anyone at all feels the least bit intimidated by the new site
REMEMBER that I'm Here, Arturo is Here, and Rosalinda is Here to help
you at every step of the way. All that is required of everyone that
might feel a little shy about trying the site out is a good helping of
Patience.

If we all agree to be patient we will win this battle of transitioning
to the new site. Yes there will be a few kinks along the way, as with
anything new, but in the end our future will be set and you won't have
to hear me complain about how much space we have left and how I need to
put restrictions on who can upload to what site and volunteers to move
from here to there juggling file space when needed.

thanks,

joseph

It very much reminds of that first tenent of Genealogy: 
explore/research what you know best - START WITH YOURSELF (excuse me 
for shouting). If we don't preserve OUR stories, who will?
(I talk big - but I don't often follow my own advice).

So here is a little saying i stumbled across, that applies to our 
genealogical journey:
  Buen principio, la mitad es hecha.
  (With a good beginning, half the task is done.)
(This is from a collection of Mexican sayings, collected by Octavio A. 
Ballesteros).
 OK - this is all for now - y'all take care.

Natalie in VA





 
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Texas Border Crossing Records

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I am over at the National Archives looking up border crossing records and am having no luck finding El Paso crossings from 1916. Does anybody know if these crossings are available on microfilm anywhere? The college student staff member who is working here tonight told me that those years for El Paso are not filmed... but I want to make sure.

On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia Gonzalez.

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El Paso Records Exist!

Comment

I just received this letter from one of the archivists at the National Archives and Records Administration. I will try to go over sometime and see what I find and will report back...

Dear Mr. Ramos,

This is in response to your email message of February 27, 2006, requesting information relating to border crossing records into El Paso, TX for 1916. We received your request on March 1, 2006.

The National Archives and Records Administration has copies of passenger arrival lists (manifests) and available indexes for most Atlantic and Gulf Coast ports dating from 1820. The “Alphabetical Index to Permanent Manifests into El Paso, 1904-24,” and the “Alphabetical Index to Non-Statistical Admissions into El Paso, TX, 1904-24,” have not been processed for publication. They remain on the project list. If you would like to research this film, however, we can make the microfilm available to you. Please let us know ahead of time because this accessioned microfilm remains in the stacks and must be brought to the Central Research Room and from there delivered to the Microfilm Reading Room.

If we can be of further assistance to you, please write or call (202)-501-5395.

Sincerely,

Suzanne A. Harris
Old Military and Civil Records
Textual Archives Division

Enclosures

1916

Comment

That figures! That's the year of interest to me....

Peggy Delgado

p.s. still testing...

Texas Border Crossing Records

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On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia Gonzalez. I will scan them and send them to you.

1916

Comment

That figures! That's the year of interest to me....

Peggy Delgado

p.s. still testing...

Access to Film

Comment

Do these border crossing records work the same way as when we order records from LDS FHC? Where is it located.....besides the 1916 records, I think there are others I'd like to look at....

Peggy Delgado

Texas Border Crossing Records

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Arturo,

I just remembered something. When I went to the NARA office in
Seattle when I was first starting to research census records when the 1930
census came out, but was not online, I asked about other records and they told
me that there were some El Paso border crossing records in their Northern and
Southern California NARA offices, but not there in Seattle. The office I
sent my poor sister to look in was in San Bruno, CA near San Francisco.
She went once and was quite discouraged at the process of searching films, and
she never went back. The other office they told me about was one in Laguna
Miguel in Southern California. I wonder if anyone in the group lives close
to either of those offices and could go and inquire about the 1916 border
crossings for El Paso, TX.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:11
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Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos]
Texas Border Crossing Records

I am over at the National Archives looking up border
crossing records and am having no luck finding El Paso crossings from
1916. Does anybody know if these crossings are available on microfilm
anywhere? The college student staff member who is working here tonight
told me that those years for El Paso are not filmed... but I want to make
sure.

On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border
crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. I will scan them and send them to you.
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Arturo,

Would it be possible for you to post an actual scanned sample of what
the border crossing records look like? I am curious as to what they look
like, what info is on them, etc.

thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

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Here's the online link to the NARA's catalog, where you can locate films, find their locations at NARA sites, and even order a film for purchase. http://www.archives.gov/research/order/orderonline.html?microfilm

The Laguna Niguel branch has two films for El Paso: A3365, El Paso Lists of Aliens, 1903-1909, and M1757, El Paso Lists of Aliens Granted Temporary Admissions, 19241954, but I know they are continuing to film. I've been to the Laguna Niguel branch, and it is a federal building, so security is strict. Cell phones with cameras are not permitted, nor are any cameras at all. The border criossing records, which is what I went to see, usually had name, age, some physical descriptions, last residence, and where they are headed. Some of the films were alphabetical, but not all.

The workers there will help you with some general questions, but the real help can come from the volunteers who sit at he volunteer desk. I didn't ask for help, but they do try to help, although most are trained on American historical wars and the like, rather than just Mexican immigration.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Feb 25, 2006 2:19 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Texas Border Crossing Records

Arturo,

I just remembered something. When I went to the NARA office in Seattle when I was first starting to research census records when the 1930 census came out, but was not online, I asked about other records and they told me that there were some El Paso border crossing records in their Northern and Southern California NARA offices, but not there in Seattle. The office I sent my poor sister to look in was in San Bruno, CA near San Francisco. She went once and was quite discouraged at the process of searching films, and she never went back. The other office they told me about was one in Laguna Miguel in Southern California. I wonder if anyone in the group lives close to either of those offices and could go and inquire about the 1916 border crossings for El Paso, TX.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos2
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Texas Border Crossing Records

I am over at the National Archives looking up border crossing records and am having no luck finding El Paso crossings from 1916. Does anybody know if these crossings are available on microfilm anywhere? The college student staff member who is working here tonight told me that those years for El Paso are not filmed... but I want to make sure.

On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia Gonzalez. I will scan them and send them to you.
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Well, Rosalinda, I hope I live long enough to see all the records
filmed, since I am not able to travel to California (husband won't go back there
anymore).

Thanks,

Emilie

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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:17
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos]
Texas Border Crossing Records

Here's the online link to the NARA's catalog, where you can locate films,
find their locations at NARA sites, and even order a film for purchase.
http://www.archives.gov/research/order/orderonline.html?microfilm

The Laguna Niguel branch has two films for El Paso: A3365, El Paso Lists
of Aliens, 1903-1909, and M1757, El Paso Lists of Aliens Granted Temporary
Admissions, 19241954, but I know they are continuing to film. I've been
to the Laguna Niguel branch, and it is a federal building, so security is
strict. Cell phones with cameras are not permitted, nor are any cameras
at all. The border criossing records, which is what I went to see,
usually had name, age, some physical descriptions, last residence, and where
they are headed. Some of the films were alphabetical, but not all.

The workers there will help you with some general questions, but the real
help can come from the volunteers who sit at he volunteer desk. I didn't
ask for help, but they do try to help, although most are trained on American
historical wars and the like, rather than just Mexican immigration.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia

Sent: Feb 25, 2006 2:19 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Texas
Border Crossing Records

Arturo,

I just remembered something. When I went to the NARA office in
Seattle when I was first starting to research census records when the 1930
census came out, but was not online, I asked about other records and they told
me that there were some El Paso border crossing records in their Northern and
Southern California NARA offices, but not there in Seattle. The office I
sent my poor sister to look in was in San Bruno, CA near San Francisco.
She went once and was quite discouraged at the process of searching films, and
she never went back. The other office they told me about was one in
Laguna Miguel in Southern California. I wonder if anyone in the group
lives close to either of those offices and could go and inquire about the 1916
border crossings for El Paso, TX.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos2
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:11
PM
Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos]
Texas Border Crossing Records

I am over at the National Archives looking up border
crossing records and am having no luck finding El Paso crossings from
1916. Does anybody know if these crossings are available on microfilm
anywhere? The college student staff member who is working here tonight
told me that those years for El Paso are not filmed... but I want to make
sure.

On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border
crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. I will scan them and send them to you.
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Is someone doing border crossing lookups? I don't know when my
father crossed over. Probably between 1916 and 1926. He and his
brother and sister came up from Guadalajara. There are records of
him in Kansas city and of his sister Elena Romero in California in
1930. He was Ramon Romero, his brother was Rosendo. Since all three
are dead, how can I find out when and where they came across? They
didn't tell us any stories about their families except that their
parents were dead and they were shuffled between families until they
came to the US. They may have come across with a priest. A cousin
or uncle, Adolfo Romero accompanied them. Sounds pretty hopeless,
doesn't it.

Linda

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My dear, nothing is hopeless! Look at the 1930 Census available for
free probably at your library. It should say when they first came to
the US.

Marge:)
On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:48 PM, Linda R Romero wrote:

> Is someone doing border crossing lookups? I don't know when my
> father crossed over. Probably between 1916 and 1926. He and his
> brother and sister came up from Guadalajara. There are records of
> him in Kansas city and of his sister Elena Romero in California in
> 1930. He was Ramon Romero, his brother was Rosendo. Since all three
> are dead, how can I find out when and where they came across? They
> didn't tell us any stories about their families except that their
> parents were dead and they were shuffled between families until they
> came to the US. They may have come across with a priest. A cousin
> or uncle, Adolfo Romero accompanied them. Sounds pretty hopeless,
> doesn't it.
>
> Linda
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Linda,

I found out that many records from the early part of the 20th century when
our ancestors first crossed over the border no longer exist. What still
exists are records from around the 1940s to 1950s after Congress passed the
Nationality Act of 1940 to keep track of German aliens mostly prior to our
entering the war with Germany. All aliens were required to file a report
(Application for Registry of An Alien) of when and how they entered the country,
their destination, who they were accompanied by, etc.

The form number that you need to download from www.USCIS.gov to send in to inquire of the
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (formerly the INS) is G-639,
Freedom of Information Privacy Act Request, to have them check for any Alien
Registration forms your relatives may have completed.

Good Luck,

Emilie Garcia
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----- Original Message -----
From: Linda
R Romero
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:48
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Border crossing
records

Is someone doing border crossing lookups? I don't
know when my
father crossed over. Probably between 1916 and
1926. He and his
brother and sister came up from
Guadalajara. There are records of
him in Kansas city and of
his sister Elena Romero in California in
1930. He was Ramon
Romero, his brother was Rosendo. Since all three
are dead, how
can I find out when and where they came across? They
didn't
tell us any stories about their families except that their
parents
were dead and they were shuffled between families until they
came to
the US. They may have come across with a priest. A cousin

or uncle, Adolfo Romero accompanied them. Sounds pretty
hopeless,
doesn't it.

Linda

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Linda give me more details regarding dates in Kansas
City. I live here so I may be able to do some
look-ups for you. His name is Ramon Romero??? In the
early 1920's and 1930, we had three Mexican
neighborhoods here in town...it's possible he may be
listed in some church records too. Have you checked
the census records in 1920 and 1930 as of yet???

Carol

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I have just uploaded a sample of what the border crossing records from Laredo look like from the 1920s. There are actually all sorts of different formats depending on the time period and the location... anything from ship-manifest looking things to cards like this to pages with photos attached. The samples are in the Albums section of the new Nuestros Ranchos website.

I saw that Peggy uploaded the SoCal meeting pictures up there as well. Can someone put captions on those so we can put names to faces? It looks like it was a great time. I am sorry I missed it.

As far as the El Paso records, I mentioned to someone that the worker who was there (weekend staff-college student) told me that it may be that the National Archives has those records but has not yet filmed them but I would have to inquire during the week when the regular staff (professional archivists) were there.

The records are not available through the Family History centers as far as I know. They are available at different National Archives offices. The one here in DC supposedly has the full collection... so that is why I was disappointed to find out that those years were missing.

Looking up names is actually quite simple if you know what border crossing the person went through. A film will go something like Ortiz to Ramos and all of the records are organized semi-aplabetically... for example the Nicanor Pineda record was with all of the Pinedo records since they group together variant spellings of the same name or similar names.

Without knowing what border crossing the person went through, you would have to look through the films of every border crossing, though some of the smaller ones are grouped together on a single set of films.

I hope this information is helpful.

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I saw that Peggy uploaded the SoCal meeting pictures up there as well. Can someone put captions on those so we can put names to faces? It looks like it was a great time. I am sorry I missed it.

I hope this information is helpful.

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Hi Arturo! I put captions on them....you can't see them? I also posted a list of the members who attended.... Yes, too bad you missed it.....I would love to meet all the members... I keep on hearing about the "Salt Lake" trip? When's that happening, who's going? I seem to remember someone posting stuff regarding hotels.... Can someone give me some info...after yesterdays successful and very very insightful meeting, I'm pretty sure this would be something I'd like to attend, as well. Peggy

arturoramos2 wrote:

I have just uploaded a sample of what the border crossing records from Laredo look like from the 1920s. There are actually all sorts of different
formats depending on the time period and the location... anything from ship-manifest looking things to cards like this to pages with photos attached. The samples are in the Albums section of the new Nuestros Ranchos website.

I saw that Peggy uploaded the SoCal meeting pictures up there as well. Can someone put captions on those so we can put names to faces? It looks like it was a great time. I am sorry I missed it.

As far as the El Paso records, I mentioned to someone that the worker who was there (weekend staff-college student) told me that it may be that the National Archives has those records but has not yet filmed them but I would have to inquire during the week when the regular staff (professional archivists) were there.

The records are not available through the Family History centers as far as I know. They are available at different National Archives offices. The one here in DC supposedly has the full collection... so
that is why I was disappointed to find out that those years were missing.

Looking up names is actually quite simple if you know what border crossing the person went through. A film will go something like Ortiz to Ramos and all of the records are organized semi-aplabetically... for example the Nicanor Pineda record was with all of the Pinedo records since they group together variant spellings of the same name or similar names.

Without knowing what border crossing the person went through, you would have to look through the films of every border crossing, though some of the smaller ones are grouped together on a single set of films.

I hope this information is helpful.

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> Thank you for your help and information. I'm sure I can find the
> information (if it exists) now.

Linda

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I just received this letter from one of the archivists at the National Archives and Records Administration. I will try to go over sometime and see what I find and will report back...

Dear Mr. Ramos,

This is in response to your email message of February 27, 2006, requesting information relating to border crossing records into El Paso, TX for 1916. We received your request on March 1, 2006.

If we can be of further assistance to you, please write or call (202)-501-5395.

Sincerely,

Suzanne A. Harris
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Turi, COULD you do a look up for me? If so, my grandmother is reported
in the 1930 census to have come to the US at El Paso in 1913--her name
was Altagracia Gonzalez. Born in Jerez, Zacatecas, in 1895 (September
18, I think) to Cenobio Gonzalez and Francisca Saldivar. My
grandfather came over in 1918 to El Paso. His name is Jose Benito
Hernandez, born in Chihuahua, Chih., in 1891 to Dorotea Hernandez. If
you can't that's AOK, too! I know how we can inundate people. All the
best, Marge:)

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I've looked at all the messages regarding the SoCal meeting - but
haven't found information regarding the proceedings of the meeting
(except for the wonderful lunch the rest of us missed; excuse me for
drooling). What was the agenda? What things were discussed? Could
someone please share some insights into what went on in the meeting,
what you got out of it, and if you will schedule another. Thanks for

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Natalie, What Olivia said is basically it for me...while I didn't really get to share my line because I was too enthralled by other conversations....I did learn valuable researching techniques from Rosalinda (she provided a sheet, both sides, with websites she goes to in search of info) and I met lots of great people and, yes, ate some awesome food. I feel lucky to have met these awesome people... Peggy

Natalie wrote:

I've looked at all the messages regarding the SoCal meeting - but
haven't found information regarding the proceedings of the meeting
(except for the wonderful lunch the rest of us missed; excuse me for
drooling). What was the agenda? What things were discussed? Could
someone please share some insights into what went on in the meeting,

what you got out of it, and if you will schedule another. Thanks for
sharing.

Natalie in VA

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Hi Natalie,
You'll probably hear more from others who attended, but I'll give you my take on the meeting. Unfortunately, I was still busy in the kitchen when people started to arrive so I wasn't able to hear what everybody had to say. I do know that as each person arrived, they were instantly involved in a "what's your family line" conversation.

We followed a rather loose agenda. At the start the focus was more on meeting each other and getting somewhat familiar with the specific areas we each are researching. Everyone brought records and some books, so a lot of the time was used matching up similar ancestors. Rosalinda was of tremendous help because she is very familiar with various methods of researching online, as well as some methods/techniques used at the various research centers, i.e., NARA, Family History Centers, local libraries. Some who had communicated online, continued discussions previously started, but which now
were helped along by being able to share information in person. Rosalinda and a few others brought along some of the books that provide historical information as well as records information - Ronnie Reynoso had a copy of Jose Luis' book on Nochistlan, Zac, and Rosalinda (if I remember correctly) had a book on marriage dispensations as well as other items she shared with the group. Rosalinda also handed out a sheet on which was printed quite a few beneficial web sites.

People started arriving exactly at 11:30 and the last person left at about 4:00 p.m. Almost the entire time was spent in discussion. Lunch was served about 1:30, but even then my husband had to kinda bully people away from their conversations and to the meal.

Olivia
Natalie wrote:

I've looked at all the messages regarding the SoCal meeting - but
haven't found information regarding the proceedings of the meeting
(except for the wonderful lunch the rest of us missed; excuse me for
drooling). What was the agenda? What things were discussed? Could
someone please share some insights into what went on in the meeting,
what you got out of it, and if you will schedule another. Thanks for
sharing.

Natalie in VA

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