Nuestros Ranchos Site

has anyone done study on this phrase. When the grandparents are missing
and "No supo dar razon" is inserted what exactly does that mean? That
the Son didn't know who his parents were? But if this is the case then
why would there be records before and after where they are given? Or
that he might have had a temporary case of of abnesia (sp--?). Or that
he just didn't want to disclose them?

Also I have a couple of records where only one grandparent is listed but
many more where both are given.

So what gives?

No se dar razon!

thanks,

joseph

Just as a correction...

The information can be found on the VRI and not the IGI.  The two 
databases are 90% different.  The cds contain information from the 
VRI.

As Jonathan mentioned the VRI on the website has been updated.  A 
while back I printed some information from the website and just 
recently when I looked at the same information it was slightly 
different with added information, for example a marriage record which 
previously just had the name of the Bride and Groom now also had the 
names of their parents.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Dora,
>  
> Thanks for the offer to assist in viewing or retrieving data. At 
the time I don't have any specific need. I was just wondering if this 
disk might be a valuable tool to have on hand. According to Angie 
it´s mostly the same database as can be found on the IGI with the 
exception of a few films that she identified for her area of research.
>  
> My research area at the

readysetgo95814 wrote:

I agree with John and Steven. Free web space is available
elsewhere. One such site is Rootsweb. For individual accounts see:
http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=freagree.htm

They also have an option for genealogical societies (such as ours)
that will give you free space to operate a website.

this sounds good can someone (Arturo???) look into this. Free sounds
good to me.

See:
http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=gensoc.htm

If Joseph agrees to be the webmaster this would be a good option for
us.

I don't know about that. . .I just don't have the time to do anything
but the bare minimum required here. Making the transition would require
"work" and I am just not up to it. But I will be supportive of anyone
wanting to take over the reigns of the group.
As it is I think we need someone to just take all the resources that
have been accumulated and put them on DVD. I guess that might be an
option. If someone

In answer, to your question.  The online version of the Vital Records
Index, has more information, than the CD version.  

The CD version was published, I believe about 3 to 4 years ago.  And
it has not been updated.  Where as the Online version is being updated.  

Because, where the extraction program, from what I have been told, is
no longer submitting information, to the IGI.  The information, is
being put into the Vital Records Index.  

While some of the information is in both the IGI and the VRI.  It is
still a good idea to check both indexes.  On each one you can perform
batch searches.

thanks,
Jonathan 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Has anyone in this group ordered the CD titled: Middle
America-Mexico-Vital Records Index from the Family Search Website?
>  
> This is the item # and cost and I wonder if it would be anything
different that's not on the IGI.
>  
>  The set of 4 data CD's and viewer can be purchased for $10.00
online or

I agree with John and Steven.  Free web space is available 
elsewhere.  One such site is Rootsweb.  For individual accounts see:  
http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=freagree.htm

They also have an option for genealogical societies (such as ours) 
that will give you free space to operate a website.  See:  
http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=gensoc.htm

If Joseph agrees to be the webmaster this would be a good option for 
us.

Another option is your own Internet Service Provider.  Most allow you 
a certain amount of space to host your own site, but I know some 
people might be less technical and find this to be more challenging.

Maria
 
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> John Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> >I believe that if a fee is required to participate in this group, 
it 
> >will be the end of this group as we know it.  Once you start 
charging, 
> >the members will become more demanding in regards as to what

Hello Alicia,

I recently ordered and received it.  It is full of
information but I have not had time to sit and sort
through it all.

Do you need something from it, specifically?  I would
be

Gee Joseph,
Sounds like you're gonna need a vacation to recover
from your vacation.  Hope you have a great time, looks
like you should.  Weather out here has been a mixed
bag lately.  I live in So. Calif., (San Gabriel
Valley), and for the past couple of weeks it's been
really hot and muggy so make sure you bring lots of
"cool" clothing.  

Buen Viaje,
Olivia 

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> I start in Oakland and stay with a sister from
> Saturday thru Sunday. 
> Monday I go to San Jose and stay with another
> sister. Wednesday morning 
> we leave for Fresno to visit relatives. Thursday we
> visit more relatives 
> in Visailia, Hanford and Riverdale. Friday we travel
> to Santa Barbara 
> and Santa Paula to visit relatives. Saturday Morning
> we leave for Long 
> Beach for a Roman Diaz family reunion that ends
> Sunday. Monday we travel 
> to San Diego to . . .yup you got it visit relatives.
> Thursday we fly 
> home. Whew. . .
> 
> joseph
> 
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
> 
>

Hello Alicia,

I recently ordered and received it.  It is full of
information but I have not had time to sit and sort
through it all.

Do you need something from it, specifically?  I would
be glad to assist.

Dora

PS. I am currently in the process of graduating from
college and am very busy with course work that is the
reason I currently don't have time to sit and sort
through it.  I plan to go back to it and my research
after classes end.

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Has anyone in this group ordered the CD titled:
> Middle America-Mexico-Vital Records Index from the
> Family Search Website?
>  
> This is the item # and cost and I wonder if it would
> be anything different that's not on the IGI.
>  
>  The set of 4 data CD's and viewer can be purchased
> for $10.00 online or by calling toll free
> 1-800-537-5971 and asking for item #50163. It can
> also be ordered on the Internet at
>  
> Thanks........Alicia
> 


__________________________________________________
Do

No, the information is all contained on the website.

When I ordered the cds, I was hoping I would be able to search the data
differently then the website allows.  But I was not able to.  The
Search rules are a little more flexable but not by much.  I then
attempted to upload all the data from the cds into a PAF program and
merge families, etc...  I worked on it for months before deciding that
it was impossible!  Oh well...

Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> is there information on those disks that is unavailable on the
> www.familysearch.org site?
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>

No, the information is all contained on the website.

When I ordered the cds, I was hoping I would be able to search the data 
differently then the website allows.  But I was not able to.  The 
Search rules are a little more flexable but not by much.  I then 
attempted to upload all the data from the cds into a PAF program and 
merge families, etc...  I worked on it for months before deciding that 
it was impossible!  Oh well...

Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> is there information on those disks that is unavailable on the 
> www.familysearch.org site?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
>

Yes, I have it.  The VRI is different from the IGI.

You can search the VRI at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?
PAGE=vr/search_VR.asp&clear_form=true

You can search the IGI at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?
PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

I think there is a small overlap betweent the two but it is very 
small.  And when you compare the IGI data vs the VRI data, the VRI 
usaually has more.

As far as Totatiche (since this is my area of study and I am familar 
with this area), these films are included in VRI:

Christening - Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico 
C617077 1798-1820 1164017
C617078 1820-1833 1164018
C617079 1833-1846 1164019

Marriage - Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
M617071 1755-1807 1164031
M617072 1807-1853 1164032
M617073 1853-1883 1164033
M617074 1883-1895 1164034

I'll see if I have a complete list of VRI films.

- Angie Godina


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Has anyone in

Any idea which localities are represented?
> 
> From: Alicia Carrillo 
> Date: 2005/07/21 Thu PM 03:30:44 EDT
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Vital Records Index
> 
> Has anyone in this group ordered the CD titled: Middle America-Mexico-Vital Records Index from the Family Search Website?
>  
> This is the item # and cost and I wonder if it would be anything different that's not on the IGI.
>  
>  The set of 4 data CD's and viewer can be purchased for $10.00 online or by calling toll free 1-800-537-5971 and asking for item #50163. It can also be ordered on the Internet at
>  
> Thanks........Alicia
> 
> 

Are you related to Gutierrez and Gonzalez families
from Pugueros which is located next to Tepatitlan? 
The reason I'm asking is that my wife is from Pegueros
and is related to Gutierrez and Gonzalez families from
that town.  

Something I noticed when I visited that part of
Mexico: The women are very beautiful! Maybe it is the
water?

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Pacorro73@... wrote:

>   
> Dear Irma, 
>  
> Thank you so very much for your kindness and
> generous help with my Jalostotitlán request.  My
> cousin Miguel Angel Gutiérrez shared his entire
> family file over six years ago.  He is a direct
> descendant of Florentino de San Miguel Gutiérrez de
> Hermosillo and María Francisca Romo de Vivar.  Yet
> for some reason, he did not have María Merced
> Gutiérrez and her marriage with José María González
> in 1828.  But as you have astutely figured out, I
> already have several generations of both the
> ancestries of José María González and María Merced
> Gutiérrez.  I

Whatcher gonna do in California? What's there to do in CA besides go to Disneyland? Marge:)

On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:43 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I'll be in CA from the 30 of July to Aug 11. . .you guys are going to be

all on your own.



I can be reached for comment at makas_nc@... while I'm away.



joseph









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              ~~glo~~






From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Gonzales, Gtz, Perez, Franco, etc.,
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:42:09 -0700

Hi Irma:

Possibly the reason you didn't find a connection to a my "Cornejo" might
be becuase my grandmother wasn't from Jalos, she was from San Juan de Los
Lagos.
I just found that out last friday, talking to my cousin who lives in
Yucaipa.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
1gnzlz@...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Irma GomezLucero
  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:08 AM
  Subject: RE: [ranchos] Gonzales, Gtz, Perez, Franco, etc.,


  Hi John,

Of the Jalos surnames you mentioned, the only surname I don't have is
Cornejo, but I know two Jalos families with that surname who live in a
nearby town in Northern Calif. Two brothers of which one married a
G

I'll be in CA from the 30 of July to Aug 11. . .you guys are going to be
all on your own.

I can be reached for comment at makas_nc@... while I'm away.

joseph