Fee



John Gonzalez wrote:

I believe that if a fee is required to participate in this group, it
will be the end of this group as we know it. Once you start charging,
the members will become more demanding in regards as to what materials
they can, and can not post on this site. Control will be lost...Think
about it.


If we put our heads together, I am sure we can come up with a
solution. I am 100% against ANY fees because of the reason mentioned
above.


Another member wrote me privately and said that the answer is that those
that want more controll to modify their own folders should ask me to
remove their work off of the Ranchos site and then they could upload it
to one of the many many free sites and then just link to it in the links
area of the group. This would relieve the files area of the pressure its
under and I could open it again.


joseph

ps: You're right John. We can come up with a free solution. . .but if
to many really really want more control then that

Fee

I could not have said it better myself.   

 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...>
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:59:45 -0000
Subject: [ranchos] Fee

I believe that if a fee is required to participate in this group, it 
will be the end of this group as we know it.  Once you start charging, 
the members will become more demanding in regards as to what materials 
they can, and can not  post on this site. Control will be lost...Think 
about it.
I HEAR YOU BROTHER!!!

If we put our heads together, I am sure we can come up with a 
solution.  I am 100% against ANY fees because of the reason mentioned 
above.
AMEN TO THAT!!!

Just my grain of salt...

John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.  
 
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Connie, do you know any of my family Prieto memebers
out there in El Paso?  We've been there forever!

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> wont' leave me
> alone. I'd be glad to contribute $$, though. Is
> there a way to put an
> auto-email reminder to be sent out each month I
> wonder?  Just a thought.
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> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
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>  
> I don't want anything to do with PayPal.,..I've had
> SOOOOO much trouble
> with spamming and potential thievery from them!!!
> No, thanx!!!! Marge:)
> On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:38 PM, latina1955@...
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Fee

I believe that if a fee is required to participate in this group, it 
will be the end of this group as we know it.  Once you start charging, 
the members will become more demanding in regards as to what materials 
they can, and can not  post on this site. Control will be lost...Think 
about it.

If we put our heads together, I am sure we can come up with a 
solution.  I am 100% against ANY fees because of the reason mentioned 
above.

Just my grain of salt...

John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.  



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I'd be okay to moving to yahoo Briefcase and having you do the updating providing you don't "ktb" anytime soon.:) Marge:)

On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


Hey Everybody,



this group is free. . .no charge. . .other than the sweat of your brows as you strive to do your research.



If and when 51% of the membership votes to go with the pay format of this group things will remain free. Having said that I'm not even going to bring it up for a vote unless I can get a few more people to jump in saying they would like to see the change.  Having said that (2) doesn't mean that we can't revisit this topic from time to time if the ***closed files become an unbearable situation.. Freedom is a funny thing. . .remember freeedom doesn't mean it's free.



***As I said before they are not closed just closed to modification by the general population. Any additions, subtractions, corrections, or complete removal of all files from anyones folders can be accomplished by communicating

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Hey Everybody,



this group is free. . .no charge. . .other than the sweat of your brows
as you strive to do your research.



If and when 51% of the membership votes to go with the pay format of
this group things will remain free. Having said that I'm not even going
to bring it up for a vote unless I can get a few more people to jump in
saying they would like to see the change.  Having said that (2) doesn't
mean that we can't revisit this topic from time to time if the
***closed files become an unbearable situation.. Freedom is a funny
thing. . .remember freeedom doesn't mean it's free.



***As I said before they are not closed just closed to modification by
the general population. Any additions, subtractions, corrections, or
complete removal of all files from anyones folders can be accomplished
by communicating with me and I'll make the changes. As I said before
(2) if we come up with a better idea I'm all ears.



joseph



ps: Actually I just thought of a better idea and that would

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out each month I wonder?  
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Connie

 

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SOOOOO much trouble with spamming and potential thievery from them!!! No,
thanx!!!! Marge:)

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mind contributing, and would be willing to give more than $2.00, but
I tend to be lazy about putting bills in the mail, especially without a paper
reminder that comes with a self-addressed envelope. 

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I don't want anything to do with PayPal.,..I've had SOOOOO much trouble with spamming and potential thievery from them!!! No, thanx!!!! Marge:)

On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:38 PM, latina1955@... wrote:


Would it be difficult to set up the new site with a Pay Pal account?  I don't mind contributing, and would be willing to give more than $2.00, but I tend to be lazy about putting bills in the mail, especially without a paper reminder that comes with a self-addressed envelope. 

 

I value this site, the sharing, and the learning. 

 

Esperanza (Chicago, Illinois area)



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Santo Toribio's relatives

color=#0000ff size=2>Oops correction....

color=#0000ff size=2>Santo Toribio was 3rd cousin, once removed to John Gonzalez
& I.  3rd cousin, 3 times removed to Ma. Uhlenburg

color=#0000ff size=2>Anymore I might have missed?

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Santo Toribio's maternal relatives

Never mind, Steven.  I see how they both lead to
Santo Toribio's parents.  I have the first couple in my database, and many
of their descendants, but not the parents.
 
Okay on the second couple, I have their parents and the
ancestors of the parents, but I know that you know the family tree
back:
 

Descendants of Jose-Maria
Gonzales

 

Generation No.
1

1.

JOSE-MARIA
 GONZALES (son of JOSE-MANUEL-VICENTE GONZALES & MARIA DE JESUS
JIMENEZ
) was born  in Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco. He married M
ARIA-MERCED GUTIERREZ April 23, 1828 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco MEXICO, daughter of
F
LORENTINO-DE-SAN-MIGUEL
G
UTIERREZ and MARIA-FRANCISCA ROMO
.

Children of J

OSE-MARIA GONZALES and MARIA-MERCED GUTIERREZ are:



1-- MELITONA5 GONZALES,
b. March 09, 1836, (Santa Ana) Jalostotitlan, Jalisco MEXICO.

More About MELITONA GONZALES:

Baptism: March 15,
1836

2-- MARIA-ZEFERINA GONZALES, b. August 26, 1841, (Santana) Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
Mexico.

3-- MARIA-EUTEMIA GONZALES, b. December 22, 1843

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Would it be difficult to set up the new site with a Pay Pal account? 
I don't mind contributing, and would be willing to give more than
$2.00, but I tend to be lazy about putting bills in the mail, especially
without a paper reminder that comes with a self-addressed envelope. 

 

I value this site, the sharing, and the learning. 

 

Esperanza (Chicago, Illinois area)

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Arturo Ramos wrote:

I volunteer to set up the site with the interactive family tree 
software I have on my site currently and to include a bulletin board 
system that we can use similar to this list.

this sounds good to me if the membership would like to go in this
direction. Maybe it will be different this time but in times past I
have had trouble getting folks to vote and a move of this nature would
need a bare minimum 51% vote in favor of such actions.


We would need to either get small donations to cover a cost of about 
$150 a year for hosting

we currently have 93 members of which I'd say that 85 would be left
after all said and done. So lets say 75 were willing to do this then
that would be $2 per member am I right?

 or try to make that money back through 
advertising on the site... We can get Google ads on the site and as 
long as people click through on the ads enough, we will probably be 
able to make back the cost (depending on how many users there are and

Message board



aajay1073 wrote:

I don't think we would need another bulletin board...that is...if
there was another bulletin board I wouldn't be able to keep up with
both of them...


Angie



No I wouldn't be in favor of another bulletin board. Its either this one
or another one. I would not be opposed to handing the reigns of this
group over to others. This group is not about me but us. As long as the
group stays intact it makes no difference to me if its at Yahoo or some
other site or if I'm the moderator or an active member.


I don't have the time or knowledge to know or learn how to seamlessly
make the transition. If there is enough feedback from the group we can
do a poll of the membership to see how many would be in favor of
pursuing such a plan.


joseph



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The bulletin board would be in lieu of this one.  If we wanted ad 
revenue at least, we would have to get a fair amount of traffic on 
the board and I don't think that the database alone would generate 
that.

Plus most bulletin board software allows more flexibility as far as 
what sort of notifications you get (i.e. limited to certain topics) 
and to view messages on the same basis, to show only unread messages, 
etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> I don't think we would need another bulletin board...that is...if 
> there was another bulletin board I wouldn't be able to keep up with 
> both of them...
> 
> Angie
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
> wrote:
> > I volunteer to set up the site with the interactive family tree 
> > software I have on my site currently and to include a bulletin 
> board 
> > system that we can use similar to this list.
> > 
> > We would need to either get small donations to

Message board

I don't think we would need another bulletin board...that is...if 
there was another bulletin board I wouldn't be able to keep up with 
both of them...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
> I volunteer to set up the site with the interactive family tree 
> software I have on my site currently and to include a bulletin 
board 
> system that we can use similar to this list.
> 
> We would need to either get small donations to cover a cost of 
about 
> $150 a year for hosting or try to make that money back through 
> advertising on the site... We can get Google ads on the site and as 
> long as people click through on the ads enough, we will probably be 
> able to make back the cost (depending on how many users there are 
and 
> how often people go on the site).
> 
> My cost estimate is for a hosting package that would give us 3GB of 
> storage.  People could upload files in addition to their GEDCOMs.  
> All of the family information would

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I volunteer to set up the site with the interactive family tree 
software I have on my site currently and to include a bulletin board 
system that we can use similar to this list.

We would need to either get small donations to cover a cost of about 
$150 a year for hosting or try to make that money back through 
advertising on the site... We can get Google ads on the site and as 
long as people click through on the ads enough, we will probably be 
able to make back the cost (depending on how many users there are and 
how often people go on the site).

My cost estimate is for a hosting package that would give us 3GB of 
storage.  People could upload files in addition to their GEDCOMs.  
All of the family information would be searchable by name, place, 
etc. and could be searchable on a tree-specific basis or the entire 
database could be searched at once.  Of course these functions would 
only be available for registered members.  How many are there?

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Special request for data from Jalostotitlan

Hi Steven,
    I believe that I might have some info regarding
the second couple.  As you probably predicted, I have also been researching
Santo Toribio, Santa Ana, and wondered whether or when I would find a link being
that my Romos, and Gonzales (both of Santo Toribio's surnames) came from Santa
Ana?   
    Can I get more information regarding
Atanacio Munoz & Vicenta Ramirez.  I have many Munoz, Perez &
Franco.  Of those highlighted, who are their offspring?  Do you have
this information?  How do they link to Santo Toribio?
Irma



From: Pacorro73@...
[mailto:Pacorro73@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:46
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Special
request for data from Jalostotitlan

Hello Ranchos,
 
I am currently researching the ancestry of one of many alteño saints, Santo
Toribio Romo, who was born on 16 April 1900, in Santa Ana, Jalostotitlan. 
His parents were Patricio Romo and Juana Gonzalez, who were married in Jalos on
3 June 1885.
 
I have run

New member - Grano Family

Arturo--
 
May I invite myself to this party?  I too am descended from Rita Margarita Grano and Pedro Pablo Gonzalez.  Angie is my cousin as well.  Rita is my great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.  I actually relate to her a total of five different ways.  I'll send you my email address so we can correspond.  I have found another cousin, courtesy of the Ranchos group!  Thanks, primo Joseph!
 
Rosalinda
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/12/2005 8:49:46 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: New member - Grano Family

Angie:

We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter
Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth generation
descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a
look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven throughout
my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.

Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you
mention?  We can

Berumes was: Help in Jerez Zacatecas

Kitty--
 
The most formal name is Berumen de Vera, eventually shortened to Berume, Berumes, and Berumen, all in reference to the same family.  I've also seen Verumes.  I have hit a brick wall with this couple, as I cannot find any marriage records for Bernardo and Maria Marsela.
 
Rosalinda
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/13/2005 4:00:02 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Help in Jerez Zacatecas

Linda, 
I couldn't help notice the name of Leonardo de la Torre Berumen from Jerez.  Rich and I are researching Berumes (s instead of n) from Jeres, Zac. 
 
Bernardo BERUMES and Maria Marsela ORTIS
One of the children Joseph Francisco Xavier BERUMES was born 18 Dec 1757 in Jeres, Zac.   
followed by two children  Joseph Melchor BERUMES de Vera b. 7 Jan 1765 and Lorenzo de la Trinidad BERUMES b. 5 Aug 1760 both born in Tepetongo, Zac.
Another son, our ancestor,  Santiago BERUMES m. Maria Josefa SALAZAR, but we don't have birthdate or birthplace for

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20mb + 20mb + 30mb



yes yes yes, if about 5-10 people would take and open up a site like
yours then I could reopen the main files area for everyone to use as
they please. Actually we could completely clear out the genealogies and
put them all in the links area of the group if everyone just made a
website for themselves.



joseph







arturoramos2 wrote:



Joseph:

How much storage space are you using now with all of the Ranchos 
groups and briefcase combined?  How many members are there?  Is 
anybody storing anything more sophisticated than their GEDCOM data 
that they are then transmitting in various formats (Word, PDF, etc.)

Check out my family website (I will send you the link in an email) 
and see if you think this might be a possible alternative, where 
people could upload their GEDCOM files (minus living individuals) and 
we can simply restrict access completely to members.  In addition, we 
could use the bulletin board there in lieu of this group and people 
can sign up for

Special request for data from Jalostotitlan

 
Thanks to all who are able to help me out.  I wanted to make sure I was VERY specific about which records I needed.  What I should have done was provide the specific microfilm I was referring to. 
 
The records I need are only from Jalostotitlan, NOT in San Miguel el Alto.  I have also done research in both towns, but more in San Miguel el Alto, so I already have a lot of San Miguel el Alto.  The records I need are not in San Miguel el Alto, they are in Jalos. 
 
So, does anybody out there have this microfilm:
 
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco--Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1806-1815 -  FHL INTL Film [ 0279264 ]

 
This one has the key information for one of Santo Toribio Romo's ancestral lines.  Once I complete his pedigree, I'll research his life and integrate his genealogy into an interesting article.  And of course I'll make sure to share it on Ranchos. 
 
Sincerely,
Steven H.

 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...>
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21

Special request for data from Jalostotitlan

The only information that I have is what I
have read in some of the Jalos Web sites.  You probably already have
it, I know it isn't much, but I hope it will help:

Padre Toribio had two brothers and a sister:
Roman, Francisco, and Maria

Francisco had daughter named Margarita Romo
Enriquez.

Padre Toribio has a niece, Doña Juanita
Romo.  She owns one of the stores  that caters to the visitors to the
shrine.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.

 

 



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,
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... wrote:
> Hello
Ranchos,
> 
> I am currently researching the ancestry of one
of many alteño...

 

 

Member's Profiles

Arturo,
 
Go to Groups>Ranchos>Members>and find your name within the members and click on your call name or handle for the yahoo groups. It will open up your profiles page. In the upper tabs find edit profile>, click on edit profile and find each item such as name, gender, age, hobbies, cool links etc. It's up to each member as to how much or little information you want to provide.
 
I went as far as putting photos in yahoo photos to be viewed by the group and I also created a free home page on yahoo geocities.com. It was surprisingly easy to do, I didn't have _javascript_ and I downloaded that program and was able to create a very simple page.
 
Check it out and see what you think. Maybe someone in the group can have better ideas on creating the homepage.
 
Good Luck...........Alicia

arturoramos2 wrote:

Alicia:

I can't seem to figure out where the profiles section is.  Can you be
a little more explicit as to how to go about changing this?

Joseph:

How much storage space

Special request for data from Jalostotitlan

Hello Steven,

Unfortunately, I don't have any of the films you need.  My 
Jalostotitlan ancestry dates much farther back.  Good luck on your 
research and please share your findings with the Ranchos group.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> Hello Ranchos,
>  
> I am currently researching the ancestry of one of many alteño 
saints, Santo Toribio Romo, who was born on 16 April 1900, in Santa 
Ana, Jalostotitlan.  His parents were Patricio Romo and Juana 
Gonzalez, who were married in Jalos on 3 June 1885.
>  
> I have run into a few dead ends in two of Santo Toribio's ancestral 
lines.  It's not that the records are not available, I just don't 
have them in my indefinite collection of films at my local family 
history center. 
>  
> My hope is that my Ranchos cousins from Los Altos can help me out.  
So this goes out to Irma Gomez Lucero, Maria E. Sanchez de Cortez, 
Felipe Hermosillo, John Gonzalez, Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg, 
and new member, Connie