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Hello everyone,

This thread is intended to be a continuation of two earlier threads regarding the Benavides trunk started by Manny and Ronnie as seen here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/23035

and here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210

I have been looking closely at dispensations regarding the Benavides, Cortes, and Aguayo lines. I believe I have come up with a clearer picture of the earliest generations. At a quick glance, it may seem that many of these dispensations contradict each other, but this is because we have been trying to couple them with what the secondary sources say about these individuals. First let us start with forgetting any preconceived notions about the Benavides trunk — especially what we may think we know about “Geronima de Benavides” and “Catalina Cortes”. Let us just focus on exactly what is being said in the dispensations. Only then do they fit together quite nicely without any contradictions that I have seen so far.

The following are 7 dispensations that help make sense of the Benavides trunk. It helps to look at them in a certain order.

PART 1: THE EARLY BENAVIDES

DISPENSA 1. GASPAR LOMELIN & MARIA MEDINILLA
4 Dec 1678, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THT7-B?mode=g&i=112&wc=MC7…

This one is the oldest and thus the closest chronologically to the Benavides trunk. Here Maria Medenilla, the widow of Nicolas Carbajal, is marrying Gaspar Lomelin. All three are descended from three siblings named as: a Geronima de Benavides, a Luis de Benavides, and a Catalina Cortes.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes
Mariana Ortiz-2-N.N.-2-N.N.
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Right away you are probably thinking that these testigos must be wrong -- that Catalina Cortes could not have been a sister to Geronima and Luis de Benavides. Well, just bear with me for a moment. This dispensation does prove that Geronima de Benavides, Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes were siblings, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides). Looking at this first dispensation this way instantly solves many problems with the proceeding lineages.

We know from Maria Medinilla’s first marriage (dated 29 Feb 1672) that Nicolas Carvajal was the son of Juan Carvajal and Jacinta de Oliva. As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THRN?mode=g&i=196&wc=3P9N-…

We know from the marriage of Nicolas’ parents (dated 25 Jun 1633) that Jacinta also appears as “Jacinta de Benavides.”As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THC5?mode=g&i=142&cc=18044…

According to Gonzalez-Leal, Jacinta de Oliva was daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and a Geronima de Benavides, who was the daughter of Luis de Benavides. We also know from other sources and that Lucas Lomelin is the son of a Maria de Benavides and Carlo Lomelin. The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Geronima de Benavides (I)-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes (II)
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima de Benavides (II)-2-Maria de Benavides (I)
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Note: I originally thought that the Catalina Cortes who died in 1652 was Catalina (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides), but I cannot deny the possibility that she may really be Catalina Cortes (II), their daughter. The record can be seen here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M…

{{{Note: the first marriage of Maria Medinilla to Nicolas Carvajal (dated 29 Feb 1672, Nochistlan) (seen here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-766-62?cc=1804458&wc=M…) says that this couple is related in 2 and 3 degrees. This would seem to contradict the tree above but it does not. The relation is via another line. The tree is seen below:

Trunk N.N. & Gonzalo Yanez del Monte& Geronima de Benavides (II)
Juan Yanez-1-Jacinta de Oliva
Mariana Yanez-2-Nicolas Carvajal
Maria Medinilla-3-}}}

Catalina Cortes (II) IS the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I), as proposed by Gonzalez-Leal in Retones, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is not the one who was married to Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. That Catalina Cortes (III) appears next.

DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ & JOSEPHA LOZANO
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…

Hola amigos, desde hace tiempo quiero conseguir algunos testamentos para mi investigación genealógica y no se como conseguirlos, no se si ustedes me pueden proporcionar ayuda en este sentido.

Quiero conseguir el testamento de Francisco Gil, que murió en 1720 y que testó ante Don Baltazar de Aguilera. También quisiera saber donde y como conseguir memorias extrajudiciales, no se si existen todavía o no.

Quiero saber de algunas familias de Aguascalientes, como los ancestros de:

Simón Salas de Bonilla y Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano.
Sebastiana López de Estrada, mujer de José Macías de Ortega.
Antonio Macías de Ortega y Rosa María de Quezada.
María de la Cruz, mujer de Pedro Salas de Bonilla.
Francisco Gil y María Magdalena Gallardo.
Agustín Marín de Peñaloza y Jacinta de Villalobos.
También desciendo de otras familias de Aguascalientes, como los Romo de Vivar, Lozano Isla, Macías Valadez, Marentes de Otaduy, López de Nava, Quiijas y Escalante, Tiscareño de Molina, Ruiz de Esparza, pero son líneas que ya están muy estudiadas y ya las tengo completas hasta su tronco neogallego.

Si me pueden ayudar con algo se los agradeceré muchísimo, y veré en que puedo ayudarlos a ustedes. Mis estudios genealógicos se centran mas en Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán y San Miguel el Alto, aunque tengo ancestros en San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotlán, todos en Jalisco; y también alguno que otro en Nochistlán y Jalpa, Zacatecas; otros en Aguascalientes; y unos pocos en Michoacán.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hello, everybody!

I am here to bring back the Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval mystery. I have been trying to gather as much information as possible, and nothing really fits just fine. I have read that the most accepted theory is perhaps that he is son of Lope de Moscoso Osorio and Leonor de Sandoval, but that doesn't quite fit.

I read in this same forum that this could be the case, since in Nobiliario genealógico de los reyes y títulos de España (https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=Vs0WAAAAQAAJ&hl=es&pg=GBS.PA332) it is stated that they had 10 children, yet only some of them are mentioned. However, they actually are there (Gaspar, Baltasar, Melchor, Rodrigo, Antonio, Isabel, María, Catalina, Francisca and Ana), and I've come across many sources (such as http://www.royalrurikovich.com/images/genealogy/moscoso.pdf) that fully describe their lineage, without any Juan in it.

In the same document, however, we can see the house of "Vazquez de Moscoso". We must remember that, in another source that I found in this website (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ilkq4isy5xernu/Sandoval%20L%20F%20%282004%29…), there is a quick mention of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval, son of Mateo Vasquez de Sandoval. Another user stated this makes sense, since the surname Vazquez can be found later in the tree. This is the only mention in which I've found Moscoso and Vazquez together; still, no trace of any Mateo was found.

However... yet another user posted a document (http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/440989) where Francisco de Sandoval and Juan de Sandoval (brothers) ask to go from Alcabon to Mexico. Now, this document is really hard to read and I haven't been able to understand a lot of it, but it is from 1607 and it states that Juan is young at that point and they want to move since they have relatives who wanted them there because they are lonely. It would make sense to think of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval at a young age at this point. This document says these guys are sons of Pedro de Sandoval and Catalina Martin.

Also, I'd like to take into account that surnames in this period are rather ambiguous and hard to trace. In my own tree I found Juan Manuel de Moscoso y Sandoval, then Moscoso disappeared for two generations (his father, Tomás, and his grandfather, Nicolás, appear everywhere I looked as just "Sandoval", and then Juan brings back "Moscoso". Furthermore, in the family of Lope and Leonor we can find a whole bunch of irregularities in last names.

My question would then be as follows: is it possible that our Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval is related to the spanish Moscoso y Sandoval family as a cousin? Perhaps some side of the Vasquez de Moscoso also got involved with the Sandoval family (again, it was not uncommon for last names to apper over and over in more than one side of families), thus birthing in some point Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval and eventually Juan?

Or, maybe Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval is the relative Francisco and Juan are coming with, thus the last names don't quite match?

There are so many dead ends and so much information that still cannot be verified with a document. However, I feel like we can get closer to solving this by making assumptions that can light up a path where we can search for further information. Also, I feel like the document of Francisco and Juan de Sandoval could be helpful if we could only understand the very cryptic handwritting.

Any help is very, very welcome. Has anyone found any helpful information?

Estimado Guillermo:

La verdad es que ni sé el orgigen de este don Diego de la Mota Padilla casado con Leonor de Hermosillo, pero si hubo otros Diegos contemporaneos. Podía ser hijo de Diego de la Mota Padilla y Catalina Cortés. Tengo muchísimos Mota-Padilla que francamente no se han podido conectar con el tronco. Digo sea hijo de Diego y Catalina por que sus hijos se radicaron a Xalostotitlán pero sólo sospecho basado en eso. Esta familia requiere mucho estudio ya que llego descendenia en todo punto cardinal de la Nueva Galicia.

Personalmente por mi línea Méndez de Torres desciendo dos veces de los Mota-Padilla una línea que se radicó en Zamora en el Obispado de Michoacán. Unas de mis tres líneas Méndez de Torres en mi línea agnática es mi séptimo bisabuelo el Alférez Real Joseph Méndez de Torres quien casó a Antonia de Solís el 3 de mayo de 1682 en San Martín de Zamora hija de un Diego de la Mota-Padilla y María de Solís. No sé como mi Diego Mota-Padilla y los otros Diego Mota-Padilla tienen parentesco. Por el momento aquí termina esta línea de Mota-Padilla.

Otra de mi línea Mendez de Torres se encuentra Antonio Méndez de Torres todavía desconozo sus padres pero debería ser bisnieto de Diego Méndez de Torres el viejo, casó Nicolasa Méndez de Torres quien fue bautizada en San Martín de Zamora el 9 de diciembre de 1702 hija de Joseph Méndez de Torres y Isabel de la Mota-Padilla. Hubo bastante Joseph Méndez de Torres, y de nuevo desconozco más de esta línea. Este Joseph debería ser nieto de Diego Méndez el viejo.

Ya terminé mi línea agnaticia me da consuelo, paz y tranquilidad. Ahora es veriguar el asunto sobre la ciudad de México y lo de Portugal. Mi línea termina ca. 1575 con don Diego Méndez de Torres, Alcalde Ordinario y Regidor de Zamora. También gracias a un pariente me proporcionó muchos datos que incluyó una capellanía que mi familia fundó.
Consultaré el testamento de don Diego Méndez de Torres ojalá que menciona sus padres y su origen. Puede ser Portugal o la ciudad de México que sospecho, una cosa es cierto Diego no era de Zamora, Michoacán eso ya está establecido, llegó ca. 1610 dondé casó María Gómez-Arias de Vedoya hija del Alcalde Ordinario de Zamora, la dicha era originaria de León.

Una dia planeo de publicar una monografia sobre mi familia los Mendez de Torres hay mucho que estudiar y se vincularon con todas las familias del Obispado de Michoacan hasta llegaron a la Nueva Galicia y regresaron a la ciudad de Mexico.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Hello, I'm Valerie Cefre, maiden name Garcia (y Guzman), and I'm very excited to join such an incredible group of people dedicated to chronicling the past for our future generations to enjoy! My mother was born in Zacatecas and my father was born in southern California and for most of my life, that's all I really knew about either side of my extended family. Both my parents had difficult childhoods which meant that they generally avoided taking about the past. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother was in her last days that my extended family (her in-laws) came to visit, from Texas! I was surprised to see my great uncles in Wrangler jeans, boots, and cowboy hats. My dad casually said that his father's side was from Corpus Christi as if it were common knowledge. Years later, my husband wanted to work on his family tree and I decided to do my side along with him but I didn't expect to find much since my mother was born in Nochistlán and my dad's maternal side came from Nuevo León. I was very surprised to find that the Mexican civil records and Catholic church records were so detailed and easy to find. By about my 4th generation in, I was hooked. I've been working on my family tree for about 7 years. Pretty much all of my work is on my Ancestry.com tree, I've included the link below and I'm more than happy to send an invite link if needed. I've learned so much while doing this research and I am thrilled to learn from this incredible group. I hope that I can contribute to the collective understanding of how we are all beautifully connected to each other. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/172539693/family/familyview?c… https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/v.guzman-garcia

Que tal compañeros, quiera saber si alguien tiene de ancestros a Miguel de Avalos casado con Teresa de Báez.

Tuvieron por hijo a
Cayetano de Avalos originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan (¿San Juan de los Lagos?) Caso en 1716 con Petrona Gutiérrez originaria de la hacienda de Potrerillos en Jocotepec, hija de Bernardo Camacho y Lorenza de la Cerna.

A Cayetano y Petrona se les dispenso por tercer grado de consanguinidad, ya que sus madres de ambos contrayentes eran primas hermanas.

Anexo la dispensa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-663J-V5?i=576&wc=12512…

Hello-----I am Jorge Andres Casarez (y Sanchez)

My genealogy education began when my parents shared the names of their parents and grand parents.  

• My mother born in DF/MXCD told me of her grandfather: Victoriano Sanchez Calderon. From Jilotepec, MX. In his family was someone who was Jewish and came from Aragon and Andorra.  
• My Father Andres Casarez was born in Pleasanton, Texas, told me of his father Frumencio Casarez born in Webb County Texas and his father Plutarco Casares who came from and was born in Real de Catorce, San Luis De Potosi, who was married to Felicita Zamorra who was una Huasteca. 
  • The Texas lineage mixes with Esparza of the Alamo and the Huizar who was a surveyor for the Missions in the San Antonio and Justicia at San Jose Mission. 
• And for many years that is all that I knew, then 25 years ago I started.  
•  I am focusing on my Casarez ancestors. I have learned of the 1591 Tlaxcala Migration/Exodus/Quizaliztli of the soldiers and their families sent to Zacatecas and San Luis Potosi; the Crown needed help because of the silver mines and the Chichimecas. 
  • From internet I found that in that 1591 Migration there was a Juan de Caceres y su muger Juana. 
• I hope to learn more about the resources available here and see how I can contribute.
• I want to learn how to store items such as maps and find out if it is possible to show what I have found and maybe add links if possible to good sources. 

I was raised speaking English. I can speak Spanish but sadly, it will soon become clear that English is may first language. I can read it but as in speaking my vocabulary is not bad but not what I want. My writing is a bit worse. But I will read baptisms and maps and I will try to read in Spanish things like Don Quixote or Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz.... and admit it is ridiculously hard. I have memorized the first paragraph of Don Quitote and can't wait to tell family that at that time it was Lantejas not Lentejas and that it was mesmo not mismo as it is now. So I say this because I will admit that below is the product of Mr. Google...

I wish you all the very best and thank you for the membership.....JORGE C....................

Hola-----Soy Jorge Andres Casarez (y Sanchez)

• Mi educación genealógica comenzó cuando mis padres compartían los nombres de sus padres y abuelos.
  • Mi madre nacida en DF/MXCD me contó de su abuelo: Victoriano Sanchez Calderon. De Jilotepec, MX. En su familia había alguien que era judío y vino de Aragón y Andorra.
  • Mi padre Andres Casarez nació en Pleasanton, Texas, me contó de su padre Frumencio Casarez nacido en Webb County Texas y su padre Plutarco Casares que vino y nació en Real de Catorce, San Luis De Potosí, que estaba casado con Felicita Zamorra que era una Huasteca.
    • El linaje de Texas se mezcla con Esparza del Álamo y los Huizar que fue agrimensor de las Misiones en San Antonio y Justicia en la Misión de San José.
  • Y durante muchos años eso fue todo lo que supe, luego hace 25 años comencé.
  • Me estoy enfocando en mis antepasados ​​Casarez. He aprendido de la Migración/Éxodo/Quizaliztli de Tlaxcala de 1591 de los soldados y sus familias enviados a Zacatecas y San Luis Potosí; la Corona necesitaba ayuda debido a las minas de plata y los chichimecas.
    • En Internet encontré que en esa Migración de 1591 había un Juan de Cáceres y su muger Juana.
• Espero aprender más sobre los recursos disponibles aquí y ver cómo puedo contribuir.

Quiero aprender a almacenar elementos como mapas y averiguar si es posible mostrar lo que he encontrado y tal vez agregar enlaces si es posible a buenas fuentes.

Me crié hablando inglés. Puedo hablar español, pero lamentablemente, pronto quedará claro que el inglés es mi primera lengua. Puedo leerlo, pero en cuanto al habla, mi vocabulario no es malo, pero no es lo que quiero. Mi escritura es un poco peor. Pero leeré bautismos y mapas e intentaré leer en español cosas como Don Quijote o Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz... y admito que es ridículamente difícil. Me he aprendido de memoria el primer párrafo de Don Quitote y no veo la hora de contarle a mi familia que en aquel tiempo se llamaba Lantejas y no Lentejas y que era mesmo y no  mismo que ahora. Así que digo esto porque admito que lo que sigue es producto del Señor Google...

Les deseo a todos lo mejor y gracias por ser miembros....JORGE C

Recientemente encontré documentos que me ligan con Antonio Vázquez de Mercado y Rafaela Tomasa de Mota. Desciendo de su hijo Manuel Antonio (n. 1743, Pinos, ZAC), y casado el 13 de junio de 1763 en la hacienda de Espíritu Santo, en la jurisdicción de Pinos. Aparece como español, y casa con la mulata Gertrudis Lucinda, hija de Juan de Dios Cisneros y Micaela Gerónima. Me gustaría saber si tienen información acerca de esta familia en la región de Pinos. He visto que otras ramas de mi familia se extienden hacia Ciénega de Mata, Aguascalientes, Asientos, pero hasta ahora no he dado con ninguna coincidencia al respecto de los Vázquez de Mercado.

Adjunto el documento del matrimonio:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BMCT-C? 

In 1685, Pedro D’Asa, resident of Tacotan, was granted a sitio de ganado mayor con ocho caballerias de tierra, one league from Cuxpala, in the jurisdiction of Juchipila. The grant was contested by Cristobal Martinez Lozano de Lara, as it included some lands that his deceased father, Cristobal Lozano, had petition the court for, some 4 years previous. Lozano’s co-plaintiff in the suit was Juana Lopez Mercado, the widow & heir of Francisco Lozano de Lara, his deceased brother & co-heir, as well as executor of their father’s estate; she was represented by her father, Nicolas Lopez Mercado.

These Lozano’s had their casa de morada on the puesto called El Mesquital, in the jurisdiction of Juchipila. The elder Cristobal Lozano had died in Nochistlan, apparently some time between 1681 & 1685. According to the plaintiffs, they had in their possession land deeds and documents, some as old as 130 years, including a signed affidavit claiming that the documents regarding the lands in question were destroyed by fire (though in later pages, I believe the judges said the documents they presented went back no further than 60 years). On one page of this suit, Cristobal Martines Losano de Lara (as he signed his name) is called “Cristobal Losano de Montesuma.”

My question is: WHO ARE THEY??? What is their connection - if there is one - to Cristobal Martinez Lozano of Aguascalientes? And what is their connection to Moctezuma?

At first, from the given timeline, I thought the elder Cristobal Lozano might have been the son of Cristobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Isla, of Aguascalientes; he could’ve owned lands in Juchipila, but, where would the “Lara” in his son’s surnames have come from? Cristobal Lozano de Isla was married to Mariana Gonzalez de Gardea, and as far as I know, she had no “Lara” in her ancestry. Plus, there is no record of these two having sons named Francisco and Cristobal. Another possibility is the older Cristobal Lozano was the son of Juan Lozano and Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval, baptized 5 Nov 1656 in Nochistlan, but he would’ve been too young to have a son of marrying age in 1685.

One thing I’ve noticed is that, representing Cristobal Martinez Lozano de Lara in this suit was Bartolome de Guzman y Santiesteban: this same Bartolome de Guzman y Santiesteban represented Juan Lozano de Gardea, when he expressed his wishes to ascend to higher orders on 26 Jan 1683. But for all I know, he was a solicitor from Guadalajara, and it is coincidental that he represented both parties.

Any thoughts?

Hope you’re all well!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hello primos,

Does anyone have any idea where I could find property records.  My great grandfather owned a large amount of land in what was Jalisco in the Tepic department.  How did you buy it?  Was it passed to him?  Was it from a Spanish grant?  Anyone have an idea on where I can start?

Best,

AP

Hola prim@s,

This is a group of documents regarding some lands belonging to Andrea Gonzalez Bermejo, wife of Cristobal Barburen, of Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S93-C?i=191&cat=…

The lands were originally granted to Martin Navarro in October 1575 (image 209 btm right); he signed them over to his yerno, Benito de Yslas, as part of the dowry of his daughter, Juana Navarro (image 210 right). She in turn, (beginning on image 195) donated them to Antonio Gonzalez de Rubalcava and to Antonio de Bastidas, husbands of her granddaughters, Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Lozano, respectively, who were daughters of her daughter, Petronila de Yslas, married to Pedro Lozano. The donations were made in 1630, so Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Locano could have been born as late as 1618; you can do the math to figure out the approximate ages of everyone else involved. 
Tantalizing, ain’t it? While it can’t be said with complete certainty that the Martin Navarro spoken of is the same who was married to Petronila de Moctezuma, or that this Benito de Yslas is the same who was father of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas, the names, places, and dates do appear to match up (on image 210, bottom left, there is even mention of a Francisco Gonzalez and his wife, Maria ? de Yslas, who could be the natural daughter of Benito de Yslas and mestiza half-sister of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas …). And at least we now know more about the Juana Navarro who died in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651.
What do you think? 
Thanks to Valentina Veor, who shared this document at Rose Wischnewsky’s Descendants of Petronila de Moctezuma Facebook group.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo 
 

After nearly a dozen years of looking for clues, I’ve finally broken down a wall that had perplexed me. My 5g grandparents, Eugenio Rufino Galván and María Dolores Fernández, lived in Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas, during the last quarter of the 18th century. They also lived part of the time in Real de Catorce, Slp. They first appear in the Pinos parish records on 16 Mar 1776, when their children, Juan Joseph and Maria Josefa, were confirmed. Maria Dolores Fernandez died and was buried 26 Feb 1793 in Pinos; according to her burial record, she was originally from Silao, Gto. Eugenio Galván married a second time, to Maria Micaela Cordoba, on 10 Jun 1793, in Real de Catorce. According to his IM, he was about 53 years old (b. 1740) and he was also from Silao. 
I started dredging the archives of Silao looking for any clues. Though I found some Galvan’s and plenty of Fernandez’s, I could still find no sign of Eugenio Rufino, which is a really unique name. So I put this couple on the backburner. Every once in a while, I’d take them out and rummage around: there was another couple living in Pinos named Felipe de Santiago Galvan and Juana Francisca Xaviera Delgado. They were married 14 Aug 1738 in Guanajuato: he was from Silao and was the son of Bartolome Galvan and Josefa de Chagoya. They were old enough to be Eugenio’s parents, but I could find no contact between Eugenio and this family. There was also a Pablo de Jesus Galvan, who married Maria Asencion Lopez on 5 Feb 1758 in Pinos. He was also from Silao, and he was son of Bartolome Galvan and Juana Maria Sanchez. Again, there was no sign of any contact between Eugenio and this family.
Earlier this summer, I really started dredging the parish archives of Silao, looking through the baptisms, marriages and IMs. I found other persons surnamed Galvan, some who were the children of Bartolome Galvan cc Josefa de Chagoya, others who were children of Bartolome Galvan cc Juana Maria Sanchez aka Rivera. I was later able to determine that this Bartolome Galvan was the same person, and that he had married twice - first to Josefa Chagoya, around 1715, and then to Juana Maria Sanchez, around 1725. 
Throughout this, I could still find no record of a Eugenio Rufino Galvan marrying Maria Dolores Fernandez. But I DID find the IM of one Eugenio Rufino Juarez marrying a Maria Dolores Santoyo, dated 30 Oct 1761. He was the son of Bartolome Juarez and Ana Maria Sanchez, and she was hija de padres no conocidos. Could they possibly be my ancestors? Their first names coincided - and like I said, “Eugenio Rufino” is a rare enough name. And what a coincidence, that his parents were named BARTOLOME Juarez and Ana MARIA SANCHEZ: could they be the same BARTOLOME Galvan and Juana MARIA SANCHEZ? 
So I dug deeper and deeper. And finally, I found a record verifying that Bartolome Galvan and Bartolome Juarez were one and the same person: baptized on 7 Jul 1720 was Paula Josefa daughter of Bartolome Galvan and Josefa de Chagoya; when Paula Josefa married on 1 Aug 1735, she used the surname “Juarez” and she named her parents as Bartolome Juarez and Josefa de Chagoya! With this new information, I found more records, children of Bartolome Juarez and his two wives, finally hitting pay dirt with the baptism of Eugenio Rufino, hijo de Bartolome Juarez y de Juana Maria, 16 Sep 1742 - ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! I even found the baptism records of the aforementioned Juan Joseph “Juarez” (b. 4 Feb 1762) and Maria Josefa “Juarez” (b 16 Jun 1764), both in Silao.

Just goes to show you: perseverance + patience + hard work = results!

The children of Bartolome Juarez aka Galvan (d. 14 Sep 1759, Silao Gto) cc Josefa de Chagoya (d. 6 Jun 1724, Silao Gto.

1. Juan Joseph Juarez, m. Marcela Quiteria Santos, 30 Jan 1729, Silao Gto.

2. Felipe de Santiago Galvan Chagoya m. Juana Francisca Xaviera Delgado, 14 Aug 1738, Santa Fe, Guanajuato.

3. Dorotea Gertrudis Juarez Chagoya, b. 20 Feb 1718, Silao Gto; im. Juan Nicolas de Castro y Garnica, 24 Sep 1734, Silao Gto; m2. Celedonio Victorino, 2 Mar 1756, Silao Gto.

4. Paula Josefa Galvan aka Juarez Chagoya, b. 7 Jul 1720, Silao Gto; m. Basilio Victoriano Valdes, 1 Aug 1735, Santa Fe, Guanajuato.

5. Maria Gertrudis de la Cruz Chagoya, b. 23 Sep 1722, Silao Gto. Note: on this record, the father is named as "Bartolome de la Cruz". Though I cant say with complete certainty that he is the same person, I can find no other record of a Josefa de Chagoya married to a Bartolome de la Cruz.  

The children of Bartolome Juarez aka Galvan cc Juana Maria Sanchez aka Rivera

1. Joseph Alberto Juarez Sanchez, b. 10 Apr 1726, Silao Gto; m. Maria Nicolasa de Avalos  
2. Maria Candida Susana Juarez Rivera, b. 25 Sep 1728, , Silao Gto.

3. Pablo de Jesus Galvan Sanchez, m. Maria Asencion Lopez, 5 Feb 1758, Pinos, Zac.

4. Joseph Gabriel Galvan Sanchez, b. 25 Mar 1734, Silao Gto.
5. Dario Tomas Juarez Sanchez, b. 7 Jan 1737, Silao Gto; m. Josefa Joaquina Fernandez, 3 Mar 1778, Silao Gto.

6. Luis Seferino Juarez Sanchez, b. 2 Sep 1739, Silao Gto.

7. Eugenio Rufino Juarez aka Galvan, b. 16 Sep 1742, Silao Gto; im1. Maria Dolores Santoyo aka Fernandez, 30 Oct 1761, Silao Gto; m2. Maria Micaela Cordoba, 10 Jun 1793, Catorce Slp.
8. Juana Apolonia Juarez Rivera, b. 23 Feb 1745, Silao Gto.


The children of Eugenio Rufino Juarez aka Galvan cc Maria Dolores Santoyo aka Fernandez

Who is this Bernardino de Sandoval who was born approximately in the 1630s? I am not sure if I am reading the documents right, but it seems Jeromino de Sandoval (Magdalena de Lavezares) has a brother name Bernardino.

From the first section of documents, 

1. Jeromino de Sandoval is the son of Catalina Cortes - image 129 of 512
2. Juan and Cristobal de Sandoval are brothers, sons of Jeromino de Sandoval - image 130 of 512

Then from second section of documents,  

3. I believe it says Bernardino de Sandoval is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval - image 325 of 512, left side, third line from the bottom.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SH1-F?i=324&cat=278176

From the 1649 padrones, there are 4 Bernardinos present in Nochistlan. 

1. Bernardino de Isla - decreased by 1690
2. Bernardino de Sandoval, son of Nicolas de Sandoval - deceased by 1690.
3. Bernardino de Isla - N
4. Bernardino de Isla - N

Hola prim@s,

In the past couple of years, I’ve been able to accumulate bits and pieces of information regarding the immediate descendants of Cristobal Navarro, which I thought I’d share here.

That he was the brother of Francisca and Maria Gabay, we learned from these two documents (Note: if any of you know of any other documents linking him to them, please feel free to share. Thanks!):

• Dispensation of Joseph de Torres and Elvira de Ulloa, 5 Jan 1689. The bride and groom were great-grandchildren of siblings Cristobal Navarro and Francisca Gabay.
• IM of Geronimo de los Rios and Francisca de Siordia, 25 Feb 1681. The groom and bride were at 3 with 5 degrees consanguinity, because his grandfather, Cristobal Navarro, was the brother of her great-great grandmother, Maria Navarro (Gabay).

The relationships given in both of these documents link to Cristobal Navarro through his daughter, Maria Navarro, who was said to be his hija natural, her mother’s name is not given. This implies that Cristobal Navarro wasn’t married - another explanation for why he never appears in church archives.

Seeing how his daughter lived in Teocaltiche, I image that he lived there, too. On 16 May 1634, in Teocaltiche, a Cristobal Navarro appeared as the padrino for the confirmation of Luis, son of Esteban Tejeda and Luisa Delgadillo. I also located a document, dated 19 Jun 1640, regarding a “Cristobal Navarro, vezino y labrador en su hazienda de la Mendosina deste Valle,” and the diezmos (tributes) he had paid the previous year of 1639. I don’t know if these are the same Cristobal Navarro.

MARIA NAVARRO

His daughter, Maria Navarro, aka Maria Gabay, was married to Joseph de la Cruz. They married around 1625, and had at least 8 children:

• Petrona Navarro, m. Nicolas Yepes
• Josepha de los Rios Cruz, c. 16 May 1634, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal; m. Juan de Torres, 27 Apr 1646, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal.
• Tomasa de la Cruz, c. 16 May 1634, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal; m. Mateo Perez de Frias.
• Martin de la Cruz, c. 16 May 1634, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal; m. Jacinta de Moya e Yañez
• Teresa de la Cruz, c. 29 Jun 1648, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal.
• Juan de la Cruz, b. 30 May 1640, c. 29 Jun 1648, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal.
• Ana de la Cruz, c. 29 Jun 1648, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal.
• Maria de la Cruz, c. 29 Jun 1648, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal.

After the death of her husband, Maria Navarro was involved with Rodrigo Osorio de los Rios, a relationship which resulted in the birth of at least one illegitimate child:

• Geronimo Osorio de los Rios, born ca 1648, m1. Juana de Ornelas y Mendoza, 03 Feb 1669, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal; m2. Francisca de Siordia, 09 Mar 1681, Nochistlan, Zac.

Several of Maria Navarro’s children and grandchildren appear in the 1681 padron of Teocaltiche, while others ended up in Mexticacan.

I hope you all find this useful!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Soy descendiente de don Domingo Hernández Gamiño y Juana Bravo de Laguna, por lo que he estado investigando a esta familia.
Don Domingo era hijo de Domingo Hernández Gamiño y Juana Gómez de Espejo; Según la brillante investigación del señor Steven Francisco Hernández López, publicada en el "Genealogical Journal" de la Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, el hijo menor de Domingo el Viejo y Juana Gómez de Espejo fue Tomás Hernández Gamiño El Viejo, casado con Gerónima de Liébana.
Sin embargo, existe una dispensa de matrimonio de Juan Antonio Hernández Gamiño y Lomelín, hijo de Tomás Hernández Gamiño El Mozo y nieto por lo tanto de Tomás El Viejo. La pretensa es Margarita Hernández Gamiño y Casillas, hija de Diego Hernández Gamiño y nieta de Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño, otro de los hijos de Domingo el Viejo y de Juana Gómez de Espejo. En esta dispensa se asegura que el abuelo del pretenso, Tomás El Viejo, es hermano de Diego, el padre de la pretensa, y por lo tanto hijo de Cristóbal y no de Domingo el Viejo.
Esto refuta la información del señor Steven Francisco, y que además está en árboles familiares en Ancestry y Family Search.
¿Existirá algún documento que respalde la hipótesis de que Tomás El Viejo es hijo efectivamente de Domingo el Viejo y no su nieto?
Muchas gracias

Hi everyone! I have a rather specific question. I am having an insight at my third great grandfather (i hope that's right) because I found that he was born out of wedlock in 1806. The registry literally says "legitimate son (I mean) illegitimate son of...", which is not only hilarious but puzzling. Two years later, in 1808, his parents did get married, however, I didn't find any dispensa, AND the registry does say the mother was a maiden. So I wonder what could've happened. Has anyone come across something similar? I'm guessing if they maybe kept it a secret? Also both parents are rather old; the father was 40 and a widow, and the mother was 30, never married. Being a small town in Nochistlán, it seems a bit off. Thanks in advance for your theories!

Good day,

I trust all are well.  I am searching for the parents of Magdalena Velasco,

Wife of Joseph de Aceves Fernández y Becerra

Mother of Nicolás Aceves y Ruiz de Velasco

(1682 • Ayo El Chico, Jalisco)

Online suggestions indicate her parents were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de los Ángeles Ruiz de Haro y Velasco.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to sources to aid in my research?

Un cordial saludo,

Sandra Garza Aceves

In the book, "Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales" I am seeing the term "Moco" and "Moca" throughout and wondering if that is a misspelling of "mozo" and "moza"?  For example, here is an entry from page 104:

Maria Yniguez de Estrada, moca espanola doncella, hija de Lorenzo Mexia . . . (dated 1649 in Nochistlan)

In the 1998 edition of Spanish Colonial Terms (by Ophelia Marquez & Lilian Ramos Navarro Wold), they included the term "Mozo" and "Moza" as follows.  That seems to fit within the context here.  

Does anyone know the referenced term?  Thank you!

Hello Nuestro Primos,

I am new to his form and started doing my research about my family out in the area of Huequeilla,El Alto Jalsico and San Antonio De Padua, Zacatecas area. I am really interested now that I received my DNA results. If anyone is also part of this leneage please reach out to me @ Sonia@bellaschicas.co

In researching my geneology I was able to go as far back as 1851 for my great great grandfather. Both of my parents are from a small town in San Antonio de Padua, Zacatecas. It is near Huequeilla El Alto, Jalisco. So it is right at the line of El Alto Jalisco but their town is in Zacatecas. My fathers's last name is Ledesma and my mothers Pacheco

Ledesma :
Paternal Grand Parents: Jose Ledesma born in 1906 and Dolores Najar born in 1909
Great Grandparents : Donaciano Ledesma born in 1887 and Natalia Najar born 1890
2nd Great Grandparents : Benito Ledesma born in 1851 and Alvina Rodrigues born in 1851

Pacheco:
Maternal Grand Parents : Jose Pacheco Born in 1921 and Magdalena Iboa Duarte born in 1923
Great Grandparents : Hilario Pacheco born in 1889 and Maria Dolores Pacheco born in 1889 both in San Diego, Huequeilla El Alto, Jalisco

Tags Members' Genealogy

There is a list of notarial documents from Zacatecas on this website that were translated by Jaime Holcombe. One referred to a "testamento" in Zacatecas for a Margarita Tinoco. Does anyone know how to obtain or view the actual document online instead of the summary of it? Thanks.

   I am getting stymied with Jose Jesus Najar(b1760), father Manuel, mom Maria Gertrudis, married Maria de los Dolores 1780 Jalostotitlan.  I am finding multiple surnames for the mother and wife.  If anyone can help me keep moving back I would appreciate it.

Many, many years ago i found myself very confused when I read that the genealogist Jaime Holcombe had written that Alonso Pérez toriello was the son of of Diego Rodriguez Herrera and Isabel Hernandez Munoz. According to Jaime Holcombe, Alonso had two brothers named Diego Rodriguez and Francisco Rodriguez. I believe that this was one of the first times that I had dealt with a male using a different surname than his father.

I did much research and learned a lot about surnames in the seventeenth and sixteenth centuries. I also learned that Alonso Perez Toriello was considerered a "foreigner" in nuevagalicia. I connected the Rodriguez Herrera family to a Portuguese/Italian family. Though I had initially found Jaime Holcombe's choice of parents confusing, it made a lot more sense once I had researched this line.

After a few years i realized that most genealogists have Alonso Perez Toriello's parents as Andres Perez and Maria Torillo. What is the source for this information? Where can I find the primary sources that make this claim?

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Hello, I am looking at a baptism record for a brother of my 5th great grandfather. I have attached the record and also here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-GYLD-7?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6D2Z-7KX6&action=view 

The child's name is Joesph Maria Cleofas Ledesma. The entry is the last one (bottom right page). 

The part I need help with is this... After his name it says "espanol de los ???" I don't know what the next word is and I am wondering if it is signifigant. 

Thank you!

Laura

Hello all,

My uncle is celebrating his 97th birthday, we think.  I found his baptismal record.  There is an abbreviation after "cuatro de Julio" i cannot make out.  I believe it stands for "presente pasado" but that wouldn't make sense.  Does it mean last year (1926) or the present year (1927) Anyone have an idea?  It is the second one from the top on the left page.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MKPQ-P?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AD5QP-3DZM&action=view

thank you in advance,

AP

Looking for any information on Pedro de Ledezma married to Isabel de Grado prior to 1524