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Lope Ruiz de Esparza 'el Menor' is the 3rd cousin of St. Francisco Javier de Jasso

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1). Sancho Ruiz de Esparza, alcalde de la Corte Mayor de Navarra, his wife, Juana Zariquegui are the parents of Simon Ruiz de Esparza. Simon has a sister named Catalina Ruiz de Esparza that is the ancestor of Saint Francisco Javier (Jasso). See her line at the bottom of the page. This Catalina Ruiz de Esparza is not the same Catalina Ruiz de Esparza that had an affair and a daughter with King Charles II.

2). Simon Ruiz de Esparza b. Before 1495 and Graciana Huici (Vici) are the parents of Martin Ruiz de Esparza.

3). Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici), señor del palacio de Esparza (Galar), vecino de Pamplona and Maria de Espinosa (Spinosa) are the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Martin also has a son named Pedro Ruiz de Esparza.

We have lawsuits from Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici) against cousins and possibly in laws that are using the family name without his permission. His brothers, Lope and Pedro also sue distant cousins. Martin and his sons hold the prestigious titles of señor de Los palacios de Estrada and are suing and asking the court to defend their rights.

4). Lope Ruiz de Esparza (el mayor or el viejo) abogado de las Audiencias Reales, señor de los palacios de Esparza (Galar) y Zariquiegui vecino de Pamplona and Ana Diez de Eguino are not married. They have a (natural) son named Lope Ruiz de Esparza.

5) Lope Ruiz de Esparza (el menor) ( b.1569 d.14 Aug 1651 in Mexico, Distrito Federal) married in 1594 to Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma, a descendant of Moctezuma II. Lope has a brother named Capitan Andres Ruiz de Esparza (b.1542) that came to Mexico before Lope. There is a third brother named Pedro Ruiz de Esparza that stayed in Spain. I personally read a primary source document dated 1595 that identified Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma as a granddaughter (though it should have said Great granddaughter.)

Lope came over as a "personal assistant"(criado) to a descendant of King Charles III named Enrique de Mauleòn. Lope's ancestor Rodrigo was in the service Kings Charles II and King Charles III. Even though Lope Ruiz de Esparza is the son of a nobleman, he still was in the service of descendant of Charles III, through the Nabarro Enriquez Lacarra line. through another line, Enrique Mauleón descends from King Alfonso XI de Castilla. Enrique de Mauleòn is also a distant relative some of the founding families of Nueva Galicia through his ancestor named Carlos Arellano de Luna.

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1). Sancho Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Zariquegui are the parents of Simon Ruiz de Esparza and Catalina Ruiz de Esparza that is the ancestor of Saint Francisco Javier (Jasso).

2). Catalina Ruiz de Esparza married in 1403 to Juan Antondo y Beteu, Señor de Adocin.

3). Gullelma (Guillerma) Atondo y Ruiz de Esparzamarries Arnaldo (Arnalt, Artel) Perez (Periz) de Jasso, Señor de Idocin (Adocin).

4). Juan Perez de Jasso y Atondo married to Maria de Azipilicuela y Aznar(iz), Señor de Javier.

5). San Francisco Javier aka Saint Francisco Jasso de Javier y Azpilicuela.

Other Ruiz de Esparza tidbits:

The other Catalina Ruiz de Esparza, is a daughter of Juan Periz de Esparza, alcalde de la corte de Navarra y consejero del Rey. She had a daughter named Juana, born by January 1379, from her relationship with King Charles II. This Catalina married in 1397 to Juan de Bearne, Baron de Beortegui. After

Another member of the Ruiz de Esparza family, Maria Miguel Ruiz de Esparza, (daughter of Miguel Ruiz de Esparza) has a relationship with King Charles III. They have a son named Lancelot that is born in April of 1386.

One of Lope Ruiz de Esparza's brothers was in the Americas prior to Lope's arrival in 1593. This brother, Capitan Andres Ruiz de Esparza traveled to Costa Rica where it has been reported that was named Teniente de Gobernador de la ciudad del espiritú santo. He later returned to Mexico City where he left descendants. Some of his descendants later moved into los altos de Jalisco, though the vast majority of the Esparzas in Jalisco descend from Lope Ruiz de Esparza "el Menor".

I have more information in my book about the Ruiz de Esparza family

Source: Mygenes2000 by Rick A. Ricci

(John Schmal, Guillermo 'Bill' Figueroa, Mariano Gonzalez Leal, Mary Lou Mantagna, George Fulton, Jaime Holcombe and others have contributed to my research on the Ruiz de Esparza family)

Does anybody have any information about who are the parents for the siblings Catalina Lopez and Diego Gomez Blanco from Teocaltiche from the early 1600s. I am more interested in the Catalina Lopez line than the Diego Gomez Blanco.

I think that Catalina Lopez might be related to either Catalina Lopez de Nava (Jeronimo Macias) or to Catalina Lopez de Portugal (daughter of Diego Gomez).

I am thinking more related somehow to Catalina Lopez de Nava (Jeronimo Macias) since,

1. Descendants have Lopez de Nava
2. Padrones from Santa Maria de los Lagos in 1669 possibly have her granddaughters (Maria Garcia and Gertrudis Lopez) and in 1676 (Gertrudis Macias).
3. A granddaughter of hers is named Maria Gonzalez (daughter of Francisco Prieto y Luisa Lopez). Possibly in reference to the Maria Gonzalez married to Francisco Munoz de Nava

I am thinking less likely related to Catalina Lopez de Portugal, and only thinking it as possibility since parent is named Diego Gomez.

Hey, My name is Abel Sandoval 

My dad was born in San Blas, Nayarit and his parents were Maria Martinez Llamas born in Union de Tula in est1928, Jalisco and Alberto Sandoval Ramirez I think born in Zacatecas in est1938.

I found my dads baptism paper with his grandparents and parents names:

Los papas de Alberto Sandoval Ramirez fueron Maximiliano Sandoval(creo Sandoval Tovar) y Socorro Ramirez(creo Maria de Socorro Ramirez Ramirez)creo que los dos fueron de Zacatecas. Im not sure how many kids they had but i found a record of a Julia Sandoval that was died shorlty after she was born in Feb 17 1943

Los papas de Maria Martinez Llamas fueron Zeferino Martinez(Martinez Ruiz) y Antonia Llamas(Llamas Arias) los doz fueron de Union de Tula, Jalisco.  They had 11 kids all are deceased. 

Maria Martinez Llamas we think had a family in Jalisco from what people told my dad and ran off with my grandpa. My grandmother got sick after she gave birth to my dad in Nov 18 1966 and went back to Union de Tula and died the next year in Jul 11 1967. I found the record #004846438 on familysearch.org only difference being they tend to spell Zeferino with a C instead of Z in different records. After her death I found records showing some moved moved to California or Tijuana. His dad Alberto also left to Tijuana when he was born and they left him with some people they knew to raise him. When my dad was around 6 or 8 he said his dad came with one of his brothers and his grandpa Maximiliano to see him and then left and never returned. One of his brothers names were Manuel and that's all he knows. I think Alberto and some possible brothers he might have are still alive. I know my dad has brothers and sister on his moms side Maria as well that we don't know about. 

Hi folks, It has been almost a year since I've updated the NuestrosRanchos mtDNA databse located here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19799.  (Node 19799 no longer exists - admin) use node 20642
https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20642

 I plan to upload some fresh additions but before I do that - given that more members have tested - I am posting this announcement in hopes that we get more interest and more additions. If you want to add your details, please send me a private message and I will update. Please include: 1) mtDNA Haplogroup (A, B, C, D or X) 2) name of farthest ancestress you can document (mother's-mother's-mother, etc.) 3) date of birth for this ancestress 4) place of birth for this ancestress 5) your email address -------------------------------- Haplogrupos de mtDNA (ADN matrilineal) de los miembros de NuetrosRanchos. Favor de enviarme un mail privado si quieren agrerar su informacion. Subire una nueva version cada mes. Favor de anotar: 1) Haplogrupo mtDNA (A, B, C, D, or X) 2) nombre de la madre ancestral mas lejana, que puedes documentar 3) fecha de nacimiento de esta mujer 4) lugar de nacimiento de esta mujer 5) tu correo electronico

Hola! My name is Jenn Ames and my paternal grandfather, Manuel Amezcua, was born in 1906 in Guadalajara, Mexico. I grew up quite close to my grandparents, however I never knew much about his side of the family or why he left Mexico when he did in 1926 and came to NY. I have been digging into the history of Mexico, primarily Jalisco, and researching every family member and associate I come across. Here is a little piece of what I've collected:

Grandfather - Manuel Amezcua (changed to Ames after coming to the US but not until the 1940s) born 29 Oct 1906

Great-grandmother - Maria Concepcion Amezcua born 6 Feb 1879 in Tala, Jalisco to Ambrosio Amezcua and Maria Eligia Ocampo. She married Porfirio Orozco (born 16 Sept 1868 in Zapopan, Jalisco) in June 1896, and they had 4 children together. Only 2 survived to adulthood and I have family pictures of "Tio Pablo" and "Tia Ana". Porfirio died in Feb 1905 in Guadalajara and their youngest daughter died the following month in Zapopan. I'm not sure when Concepcion moved to Guadalajara after that.

My great-grandfather's name was Manuel Padilla. I have 2 photos of him but no information about where he was born, his parents, when he died. My grandfather had memories of him playing the guitar and the mandolin. 

Concepcion remarried in 1925 to Secundino Enriquez who was widowed the year prior and had a young son. They are listed together on the 1930 census in Guadalajara. 

I'm searching for any information on my family, especially my great-grandfather who is a mystery man at this point. I'm guessing that he was born between 1865-1875 based on her other 2 husbands. He was definitely in the Zapopan/Guadalajara region during early 1906 and was around until my grandfather was a young child. (He had memories of him.) I speculate he may have left during the war to fight with the Villistas when they reached Guadalajara (Dec 1914). My great-aunt "Tia Ana" (Ana Maria Orozco) was married to Carlos Martinez del Campo who fought with the Convencionistas Division del Norte. 

I'd love to learn all I can and thank you for accepting me into the site!

Jenn

Edit to add my link: https://nuestrosranchos.org/Jenna1398

Oh si seme abia olvidado que ya abia encontrado el matrimonio de ellos. Bueno, el matrimonio dice que Nicolas Navarro era viudo de Ines de Robalcaba . Pero no lista los padres de Josepha. So lo dice que ese era el primer matrimonio de Josefa. Sus padrinos de matrimonio fueron Juan Flores y Ana de Oseguera. Los de velasion fueron Juan Flores Estrada y Juana Gonzalez de Mendoza.

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From: Daniel M?ndez de Torres y Camino    
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Este ramo de los Hurtado de Mendoza de Ocotl?n descienden de D. Nicol?s Gonz?lez de Mendoza quien fu? bautizado el 16 de febrero de 1636 en Ocotl?n hijo leg?timo de Juan Gonz?lez Florida y Juana Hurtado de Mendoza, postoriormente us? el apellido Gonz?lez de Mendoza. Era nieto de Pedro N??ez de Sotomayor y Ana Hurtado de Mendoza. Esta familia tuv? sucesi?n en Michoac?n (Zamora y Morelia) y en Guadalajara. Dicho Nicol?s falleci? el 15 de julio de 1693 en Ocotl?n y cas? el 20 de abril de 1669 en la misma ciudad. Creio que por aqu? deves investigar. Se fuese Hurtado de Mendoza estar?amos en la direcci?n correcta. Puede ser que sea hermana de Nicol?s Gonz?lez de Mendoza, ya que era custumbre usar el apellido de la madre en cierto casos. Ahora, en relaci?n con el hip?tesis que Nicol?s Navarro y Gayt?n sea el mismo, es possible. Hasta ahora no he encontrado ning?n acta de defunci?n ni casamento. Tendr?amos que localizarlo. S? que Nicol?s Navarro Gayt?n y
Cabrera fue bautizado el 24
de febrero de 1632 en la ciudad ya menecionada. Espero que estas informaciones sean ?tiles.
Daniel M?ndez de Torres y CaminoS?o Paulo - SP - Brasil                        

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:19:43 -0800
From: Daniel M?ndez de Torres y Camino    
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana Hurtado esposa de Salvador
    Lomelin
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Ya tentastes consultar el casamiento de Nicol?s Navarro y Josefa Hurtado de Mendoza? Fueron casados el 20 de junio  de 1675 en Ocotl?n.
Daniel                        

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Hello, I am looking for information about Juana Hurtado. I know her parents were Nicolas Navarro and Josepha Hurtado de Mendoza and that she was baptized on July 8, 1697 in Ocotlan. I was just wondering if anyone had any information about her grandparent. Could Nicolas Navarro's parents be Pedro Navarro y Gaitan and Maria Cabrera? And I don't know who the parents of Josepha could be.

Hola, estoy buscando informacion aserca de Juana Hurtado. Se que sus padres eran Nicolas Navarro y Josepha Hurtado de Mendoza y que fue bautisada el dia 8 de July 1698 en Ocotlan. Alguien tiene informacion aserca de sus abuelos? Pueden ser los padres de Nicolas Navarro, Pedro Navarro y Gaitan y Maria Cabrera? No se quien puedan ser los padres de Josepha.

According to the informacion matrimonial of my ancestor Emeterio Ramirez who got married in Michoacan in 1858 he was 38 during that time and was from Teocaltiche Jalisco. It also says his parents were Santiago Ramirez and Rafaela Ponce but after reading other documents I think his father was actually called Santos Ramirez. 

Most of the files from that era and place including surrounding areas in Jalisco are indexed but I actually checked them anyway and found nothing. Apparently the family moved to Michoacan at some point but the only one who returned or remained there was his sister Josefa Ramirez who married Juan Gomez in 1847 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco. 

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong in my research, I dont have experience with this region so I would like to read other opinions on this brickwall. 

Alguien sabe como se veia el Capitan Pedro de Anda? Una pintura tal vez? Como fue su vida? De donde venia? Que barco? Sus padres? Beatriz Gonzalez de Castañeda? Sus padres?

Hello forum.

The "Universidad Michoacana de San Nicolás de Hidalgo" got some films from "Archivo Histórico Casa de Morelos", the films are in one of the university's libraries. On 2012 they indexed the records in the films.

The good news is this: The films are also available at FamilySearch.

The information in the index is in Spanish, the records are numbered in the sequence they appear in the film. You have to browse the film to find the record you are interested in.

(The first indexed record in film 757243 starts in image 11 of 665. The first record in the film is missing)

Index: http://www.dgb.umich.mx/images/PDF/catalogos_iih/SERIE_03_ANTIGUO_OBISPADO.pdf

FHL film        Year(s)               Item in the index     No. of records

757243         1687                   ROLLO 3/075               117
757245         1687                   ROLLO 3/076                36
757248         1688                   ROLLO 3/077                68
757252         1689                   ROLLO 3/078                64
757253         1689                   ROLLO 3/079               119
757263         1691                   ROLLO 3/080                51
755456         1701                   ROLLO 3/081                69
755458         1699                   ROLLO 3/082                28
766499         1692                   ROLLO 3/083                82
766500         1692-1695         ROLLO 3/084                44
766504         1693                   ROLLO 3/085               117
766507         1694                   ROLLO 3/086                61
766515         1695-1698         ROLLO 3/087                80

I hope you can find some helpful information for your research.

Hola a todos,

Perhaps some of you already know of this, in which case it’s old news, but for some time, FamilySearch has made available access to the padrones of Jalostotitlán, beginning in 1650 (of which those of the 17th century are handily transcribed and published in a series of books by Sergio Gutiérrez, which I highly recommend):

1650-1837 Jalostotitlán padrones: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-WSZH?i=0&cat=2302…

And I just noticed the other day that they have finally uploaded the padrones of 1649 and 1689:

1649 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-27CL-ZCFL?view=explore…

1689 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-57C2-XSQP-H?view=explo…

While the rest of these padrones have been available, the 1689 padrón is new to me. This has helped bridge that gap between 1679 and the 1700s - an entire generation!

I hope you find these useful! Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi Community and thank you very much for accepting me, I've been investigating several years regarding the last name Rosas which is a very common last name in San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco.

I was able to track my Ancestor Domingo de Roxas which was married to Joana Berrinches and had a son called Domingo Gregorio de Rosas which is also my direct ancestor, Domingo Gregorio was born 1728 in "Cañada de Botas" in Cocula, what I'm trying to know if is the Ancestor Domingo de Roxas was the same that was born in Guadalajara son of Nicolas de Rosas Gonzalez Romero and Ysabel Guzman Paz, since I have not found any marriage certificate from Domingo de Roxas and Joana Berrinches in Cocula, and I reviewed a lot of documents.

If you have something regarding this or if you could point me in the right direction I'll appreciate, or if you are also investigating Rosas I could add to your research

Thanks in advance!

There is a dispensa that I misplaced notes or more likely didn't take notes on it. It lists two brothers: one Bernardino de Isla and the other Bernardino de Sandoval. From what i recall, the visual writing makes it liking between 1700 and 1750, and the relationship was in the narrative form within a paragraph (not separate from paragraph and listed line by line) and likely on the first page. The location was likely either Nochistlan, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, or Jalostotitlan.

I have tried searching the dispensas again, but have not found it, which makes me think it might be from a marriage information or from some other location.

Introduction / Any help with  Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco. is appreciated!

Hi. I am Miguel and am honored to be able to participate in this amazing community.  Thank you Joseph! and Primos.

I’ve been working on a project for my wife for 8 months now on building her family three, but I’ve halted for 3 months on María Merced González (de Hermosillo Perez-Franco) / María (de la) Merced (Cleofás Micaela del Sacramento) González (Pérez)

She is reported on “Familias novohispanas. Un sistema de redes” and ancestry.com as Daughter to Rafael González de Hermosillo Zermeño and Mariana Josefa Pérez-Franco Prido  

• https://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en&p=mercedes&n=gonzalez+de+hermosillo+perez+franco –
• https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60017/images/004724960_00236?treeid=181476961&personid=332363467212&hintid=1015749845720&usePUB=true&_phsrc=FcP175&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&showinfopanel=true&pId=3160814

However, I’ve not been able to match Rafael/Josefa to Merced on any other document (possibly because Mercedes only uses the last name Gonzalez and interchanges Mercedes for Maria de la Merced but mostly because I believe Rafael lived under the siege of the independence war).  I've updated some more info on https://nuestrosranchos.org/mllovera.

I’ve found 7 sources transcribed bellow supporting its offsprings as well as dates and geographical congruence but no explicit reference to Rafael or Josefa. Hence, here are my questions:

1. Are your aware of any other research / document connecting Rafael/Josefa to Mercedes?
2. I only have a snippet of “torres de Jaen”. Would someone have page 314 to look?
3. I’ve tried testamentos https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/35680?availability=Family%2… but I am afraid this would not be successful given that Rafael Gonzalez Hermosillo lived turbulent times during the independence and also have not been able to locate the index for Lagos yet.
4. Any other insight based on your expertise?

The research I have is below:

Hello everyone, first of all, can someone please tell me if a person was born in Valparaiso during 1750-1800's, besides Huejuquilla el Alto, what other film (Parish) can I search through.

I am having no luck because alot of these films are not indexed yet for those years and I am still actively searching page by page images.

Specifically looking for parents of

1)Antonio Feliciano Diaz born around 1750-1760.
2)Maria Felipa Banuelos born around 1750-1760.
3)Manuel Salvador Perez born around 1750-1760.
4)Maria Felipa Carrillo born around 1750-1760.

Antonio Feliciano Diaz was Married to Maria Felipa Banuelos, children Maximo Diaz born about 1782 Huejuquilla and Magdalena Diaz born about 1786 in Valparaiso.

Manuel Salvador Perez married to Maria Felipa Carrillo, children Maria Juana Petra Perez born about 1789 in Huejuquilla (married to Maximo Diaz above)

If you have any one of these names in your Family Tree could you please let me know.
Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado

I read the email regarding how helpful and informative the book, Retonos de Espana, was to one of our members. My question is, is the book available for sale, and if it is how do we purchase it? What is the cost?
Thank you.

I need help understanding this document. I think it says Juan de Analis and Francisca de Herrera are the maternal grandparents, but then who are Diego Vasquez de Buendia and Juana Velasquez? Are they the great grandparents?

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6F39-P?cc=1874591&wc=3J4S-… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Capellanías 1685-1855 > image 517 of 615; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

Hello all.
Been a few years since I last posted here, and glad to see the site is still strong.
Some kind person, whose name I stupidly forgot helped me trace my ancestry a ways back and now I suspect that our origin may have been José "Jusepe" de Ornelas,  In San Juan De Los Lagos, and that his father or grandfather may have been Álvaro de Ornelas y Perestrello, born 1561, in Caniço, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal,  and that his father was João Alvaro De Ornelas E Vasconcelos, born 1538, and that our entire family line begins in Santa María de los Lagos, Intendencia de Guadalajara, Reino de Nueva Galicia, New Spain.
Anyone with better information or who can help  figure out where our name Came from originally  (I believe it cams from Santa Comba De Fornelas, Puebla del Brollón, provincia de Lugo, Galicia, (Spain)  or its  etymology, (I have three separate theories) please feel free to contact me!
Thanks!
Piero Ornelas. Hijo De Raphael. 

Hey all,  

It has been some time since I have posted. I recently asked a granddaughter of my great-great grandfather Antonio Lopez’s sister who is direct living female descendant of Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez (son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diez).  

A bit of background, according to a tree online, Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez wed on April 7, 1641, en Pinos, Zac, Reino de Nueva Galicia. I do not think I have their marriage document. Perhaps her parents are shown on their marriage doc? 

Josefa Diaz is of significant importance to me because not only do I descend from her on this line, but I am also a descendant of her on eleven other lines.  

To this day I have not found a primary source that shows who her parents are. Armando Antunano, Sanchiz Family Tree and Family Search Tree has her as daughter of Juan Diaz de la Huerta and Isabel Martin de Sotomayor. This would make Josefa Diaz granddaughter of Maria de las Ruelas. I am wondering how this was concluded. Or if there is a document that shows Josefa Diaz as daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor.  

La abuela Maria de las Ruelas is my ancestor on seven other lines. In this case, I am wondering if there is a connection to my Josefa Diaz. 

I am extremely interested in figuring this out because there is the possibility of knowing more about the origin of la abuela Maria de las Ruelas through my ancestor Josefa Diaz.  

After taking the 23andme DNA test, my relative’s mtDNA came back as J1c which is of European origin. Even, King Richard III was a descendant of the same J1c female. This means that my great-great grandfather’s maternal line is of haplogroup J1c, and therefore Josefa Diaz would be of mtDNA J1c.  

If my ancestor Josefa Diaz is indeed daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor, and therefore granddaughter of Maria de las Roelas this would infer with all genealogical and genetic evidence as of now that Maria de las Roelas may have been a peninsular woman or a criolla herself. Is there any knowledge of Maria de las Ruelas mtDNA?

Wondering if any of you have more information or knowledge.  

It would be of immense help.  

¡Hola a todos!

Ha pasado un tiempo desde la última vez que publiqué. Recientemente, le pedi a una nieta de mi tatarabuelo, quien es una descendiente maternal directa de Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez (hijo de Juan Montañez y Sebastiana Díaz) que se hiciera una prubea de 23andme.

Un poco de contexto: según un árbol genealógico en línea, Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez se casaron el 7 de abril de 1641 en Pinos, Zacatecas, Reino de Nueva Galicia. No creo tener su documento de matrimonio. Quizás sus padres estén registrados en ese documento.

Josefa Díaz es de gran importancia para mí, ya que no solo desciendo de ella en esta línea, sino que también soy descendiente de ella en once otras líneas.

Hasta el día de hoy, no he encontrado una fuente primaria que muestre quiénes eran sus padres. Armando Antunano,  Sanchiz y el árbol de Family Search la tienen como hija de Juan Díaz de la Huerta e Isabel Martín de Sotomayor. Esto haría a Josefa Díaz nieta de María de las Ruelas. Me pregunto cómo se llegó a esta conclusión o si hay un documento que muestre a Josefa Díaz como hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor.

María de las Ruelas es mi antepasada en siete otras líneas. En este caso, me pregunto si hay una conexión con mi Josefa Díaz.

Estoy muy interesado en resolver esto, ya que hay la posibilidad de conocer más sobre el origen de María de las Ruelas a través de mi antepasada Josefa Díaz.

Después de realizar la prueba de ADN de 23andMe, el mtDNA de mi pariente resultó ser J1c, de origen europeo. Incluso, el Rey Ricardo III era descendiente de la misma mujer J1c. Esto significa que la línea materna de mi bisabuelo es del haplogrupo J1c, y por lo tanto, Josefa Díaz sería de mtDNA J1c.

Si mi antepasada Josefa Díaz es realmente hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor y, por lo tanto, nieta de María de las Ruelas, esto inferiría con toda la evidencia genealógica y genética hasta ahora que María de las Ruelas pudo haber sido una mujer peninsular o una criolla ella misma. ¿Hay algún conocimiento sobre el mtDNA de María de las Ruelas?

¿Tienen mas información o conocimiento ustedes?

Sería de gran ayuda.

just FYI:

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Subject: Re: Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes ????
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:29:37 -0500
From: bobby jim
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <4ADB3AB5.1070009@nc.rr.com>

Pues gracias por avisarme. Lamento no poder 'cuajar' con su grupo.

Pues sí, los hermanos Fernandez de Híjar nacieron en Epila, Aragón,
España, pero al llegar a la Nueva España, se ubicaron en Compostela, y
de allí venimos todos los hijaranos en México.
Toditítos.

Le recomiendo un libro (si lo puede encontrar):

De Jesus Amaya: 'Los conquistadores Fernandez de Hijar y Bracamonte'
Edición del estado de Jalisco. 1952. comenzando en la página 93.

Saludos, Roberto Híjar y Frías

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Hello everyone,

This thread is intended to be a continuation of two earlier threads regarding the Benavides trunk started by Manny and Ronnie as seen here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/23035

and here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210

I have been looking closely at dispensations regarding the Benavides, Cortes, and Aguayo lines. I believe I have come up with a clearer picture of the earliest generations. At a quick glance, it may seem that many of these dispensations contradict each other, but this is because we have been trying to couple them with what the secondary sources say about these individuals. First let us start with forgetting any preconceived notions about the Benavides trunk — especially what we may think we know about “Geronima de Benavides” and “Catalina Cortes”. Let us just focus on exactly what is being said in the dispensations. Only then do they fit together quite nicely without any contradictions that I have seen so far.

The following are 7 dispensations that help make sense of the Benavides trunk. It helps to look at them in a certain order.

PART 1: THE EARLY BENAVIDES

DISPENSA 1. GASPAR LOMELIN & MARIA MEDINILLA
4 Dec 1678, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THT7-B?mode=g&i=112&wc=MC7…

This one is the oldest and thus the closest chronologically to the Benavides trunk. Here Maria Medenilla, the widow of Nicolas Carbajal, is marrying Gaspar Lomelin. All three are descended from three siblings named as: a Geronima de Benavides, a Luis de Benavides, and a Catalina Cortes.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes
Mariana Ortiz-2-N.N.-2-N.N.
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Right away you are probably thinking that these testigos must be wrong -- that Catalina Cortes could not have been a sister to Geronima and Luis de Benavides. Well, just bear with me for a moment. This dispensation does prove that Geronima de Benavides, Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes were siblings, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides). Looking at this first dispensation this way instantly solves many problems with the proceeding lineages.

We know from Maria Medinilla’s first marriage (dated 29 Feb 1672) that Nicolas Carvajal was the son of Juan Carvajal and Jacinta de Oliva. As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THRN?mode=g&i=196&wc=3P9N-…

We know from the marriage of Nicolas’ parents (dated 25 Jun 1633) that Jacinta also appears as “Jacinta de Benavides.”As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THC5?mode=g&i=142&cc=18044…

According to Gonzalez-Leal, Jacinta de Oliva was daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and a Geronima de Benavides, who was the daughter of Luis de Benavides. We also know from other sources and that Lucas Lomelin is the son of a Maria de Benavides and Carlo Lomelin. The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Geronima de Benavides (I)-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes (II)
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima de Benavides (II)-2-Maria de Benavides (I)
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Note: I originally thought that the Catalina Cortes who died in 1652 was Catalina (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides), but I cannot deny the possibility that she may really be Catalina Cortes (II), their daughter. The record can be seen here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M…

{{{Note: the first marriage of Maria Medinilla to Nicolas Carvajal (dated 29 Feb 1672, Nochistlan) (seen here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-766-62?cc=1804458&wc=M…) says that this couple is related in 2 and 3 degrees. This would seem to contradict the tree above but it does not. The relation is via another line. The tree is seen below:

Trunk N.N. & Gonzalo Yanez del Monte& Geronima de Benavides (II)
Juan Yanez-1-Jacinta de Oliva
Mariana Yanez-2-Nicolas Carvajal
Maria Medinilla-3-}}}

Catalina Cortes (II) IS the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I), as proposed by Gonzalez-Leal in Retones, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is not the one who was married to Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. That Catalina Cortes (III) appears next.

DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ & JOSEPHA LOZANO
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…

Hola amigos, desde hace tiempo quiero conseguir algunos testamentos para mi investigación genealógica y no se como conseguirlos, no se si ustedes me pueden proporcionar ayuda en este sentido.

Quiero conseguir el testamento de Francisco Gil, que murió en 1720 y que testó ante Don Baltazar de Aguilera. También quisiera saber donde y como conseguir memorias extrajudiciales, no se si existen todavía o no.

Quiero saber de algunas familias de Aguascalientes, como los ancestros de:

Simón Salas de Bonilla y Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano.
Sebastiana López de Estrada, mujer de José Macías de Ortega.
Antonio Macías de Ortega y Rosa María de Quezada.
María de la Cruz, mujer de Pedro Salas de Bonilla.
Francisco Gil y María Magdalena Gallardo.
Agustín Marín de Peñaloza y Jacinta de Villalobos.
También desciendo de otras familias de Aguascalientes, como los Romo de Vivar, Lozano Isla, Macías Valadez, Marentes de Otaduy, López de Nava, Quiijas y Escalante, Tiscareño de Molina, Ruiz de Esparza, pero son líneas que ya están muy estudiadas y ya las tengo completas hasta su tronco neogallego.

Si me pueden ayudar con algo se los agradeceré muchísimo, y veré en que puedo ayudarlos a ustedes. Mis estudios genealógicos se centran mas en Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán y San Miguel el Alto, aunque tengo ancestros en San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotlán, todos en Jalisco; y también alguno que otro en Nochistlán y Jalpa, Zacatecas; otros en Aguascalientes; y unos pocos en Michoacán.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hello, everybody!

I am here to bring back the Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval mystery. I have been trying to gather as much information as possible, and nothing really fits just fine. I have read that the most accepted theory is perhaps that he is son of Lope de Moscoso Osorio and Leonor de Sandoval, but that doesn't quite fit.

I read in this same forum that this could be the case, since in Nobiliario genealógico de los reyes y títulos de España (https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=Vs0WAAAAQAAJ&hl=es&pg=GBS.PA332) it is stated that they had 10 children, yet only some of them are mentioned. However, they actually are there (Gaspar, Baltasar, Melchor, Rodrigo, Antonio, Isabel, María, Catalina, Francisca and Ana), and I've come across many sources (such as http://www.royalrurikovich.com/images/genealogy/moscoso.pdf) that fully describe their lineage, without any Juan in it.

In the same document, however, we can see the house of "Vazquez de Moscoso". We must remember that, in another source that I found in this website (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ilkq4isy5xernu/Sandoval%20L%20F%20%282004%29…), there is a quick mention of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval, son of Mateo Vasquez de Sandoval. Another user stated this makes sense, since the surname Vazquez can be found later in the tree. This is the only mention in which I've found Moscoso and Vazquez together; still, no trace of any Mateo was found.

However... yet another user posted a document (http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/440989) where Francisco de Sandoval and Juan de Sandoval (brothers) ask to go from Alcabon to Mexico. Now, this document is really hard to read and I haven't been able to understand a lot of it, but it is from 1607 and it states that Juan is young at that point and they want to move since they have relatives who wanted them there because they are lonely. It would make sense to think of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval at a young age at this point. This document says these guys are sons of Pedro de Sandoval and Catalina Martin.

Also, I'd like to take into account that surnames in this period are rather ambiguous and hard to trace. In my own tree I found Juan Manuel de Moscoso y Sandoval, then Moscoso disappeared for two generations (his father, Tomás, and his grandfather, Nicolás, appear everywhere I looked as just "Sandoval", and then Juan brings back "Moscoso". Furthermore, in the family of Lope and Leonor we can find a whole bunch of irregularities in last names.

My question would then be as follows: is it possible that our Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval is related to the spanish Moscoso y Sandoval family as a cousin? Perhaps some side of the Vasquez de Moscoso also got involved with the Sandoval family (again, it was not uncommon for last names to apper over and over in more than one side of families), thus birthing in some point Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval and eventually Juan?

Or, maybe Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval is the relative Francisco and Juan are coming with, thus the last names don't quite match?

There are so many dead ends and so much information that still cannot be verified with a document. However, I feel like we can get closer to solving this by making assumptions that can light up a path where we can search for further information. Also, I feel like the document of Francisco and Juan de Sandoval could be helpful if we could only understand the very cryptic handwritting.

Any help is very, very welcome. Has anyone found any helpful information?

Estimado Guillermo:

La verdad es que ni sé el orgigen de este don Diego de la Mota Padilla casado con Leonor de Hermosillo, pero si hubo otros Diegos contemporaneos. Podía ser hijo de Diego de la Mota Padilla y Catalina Cortés. Tengo muchísimos Mota-Padilla que francamente no se han podido conectar con el tronco. Digo sea hijo de Diego y Catalina por que sus hijos se radicaron a Xalostotitlán pero sólo sospecho basado en eso. Esta familia requiere mucho estudio ya que llego descendenia en todo punto cardinal de la Nueva Galicia.

Personalmente por mi línea Méndez de Torres desciendo dos veces de los Mota-Padilla una línea que se radicó en Zamora en el Obispado de Michoacán. Unas de mis tres líneas Méndez de Torres en mi línea agnática es mi séptimo bisabuelo el Alférez Real Joseph Méndez de Torres quien casó a Antonia de Solís el 3 de mayo de 1682 en San Martín de Zamora hija de un Diego de la Mota-Padilla y María de Solís. No sé como mi Diego Mota-Padilla y los otros Diego Mota-Padilla tienen parentesco. Por el momento aquí termina esta línea de Mota-Padilla.

Otra de mi línea Mendez de Torres se encuentra Antonio Méndez de Torres todavía desconozo sus padres pero debería ser bisnieto de Diego Méndez de Torres el viejo, casó Nicolasa Méndez de Torres quien fue bautizada en San Martín de Zamora el 9 de diciembre de 1702 hija de Joseph Méndez de Torres y Isabel de la Mota-Padilla. Hubo bastante Joseph Méndez de Torres, y de nuevo desconozco más de esta línea. Este Joseph debería ser nieto de Diego Méndez el viejo.

Ya terminé mi línea agnaticia me da consuelo, paz y tranquilidad. Ahora es veriguar el asunto sobre la ciudad de México y lo de Portugal. Mi línea termina ca. 1575 con don Diego Méndez de Torres, Alcalde Ordinario y Regidor de Zamora. También gracias a un pariente me proporcionó muchos datos que incluyó una capellanía que mi familia fundó.
Consultaré el testamento de don Diego Méndez de Torres ojalá que menciona sus padres y su origen. Puede ser Portugal o la ciudad de México que sospecho, una cosa es cierto Diego no era de Zamora, Michoacán eso ya está establecido, llegó ca. 1610 dondé casó María Gómez-Arias de Vedoya hija del Alcalde Ordinario de Zamora, la dicha era originaria de León.

Una dia planeo de publicar una monografia sobre mi familia los Mendez de Torres hay mucho que estudiar y se vincularon con todas las familias del Obispado de Michoacan hasta llegaron a la Nueva Galicia y regresaron a la ciudad de Mexico.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Hello, I'm Valerie Cefre, maiden name Garcia (y Guzman), and I'm very excited to join such an incredible group of people dedicated to chronicling the past for our future generations to enjoy! My mother was born in Zacatecas and my father was born in southern California and for most of my life, that's all I really knew about either side of my extended family. Both my parents had difficult childhoods which meant that they generally avoided taking about the past. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother was in her last days that my extended family (her in-laws) came to visit, from Texas! I was surprised to see my great uncles in Wrangler jeans, boots, and cowboy hats. My dad casually said that his father's side was from Corpus Christi as if it were common knowledge. Years later, my husband wanted to work on his family tree and I decided to do my side along with him but I didn't expect to find much since my mother was born in Nochistlán and my dad's maternal side came from Nuevo León. I was very surprised to find that the Mexican civil records and Catholic church records were so detailed and easy to find. By about my 4th generation in, I was hooked. I've been working on my family tree for about 7 years. Pretty much all of my work is on my Ancestry.com tree, I've included the link below and I'm more than happy to send an invite link if needed. I've learned so much while doing this research and I am thrilled to learn from this incredible group. I hope that I can contribute to the collective understanding of how we are all beautifully connected to each other. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/172539693/family/familyview?c… https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/v.guzman-garcia