Nuestros Ranchos Site

En los libros de registros de la parroquia de Chilchota, se analizo que los indigenas era registrados en un libro aparte, los espanoles en otro libro aparte y las demas razas juntos con mulatos, mextizo etc...en otro libro.

Tambien se oberva que negros y mulatos llevaban el apellido "de la Cruz" que le fue impuesto por los espanoles para indentificarlos ya que no tenian un apellido anteriormente. A los mestizos les pusieron como apellido "de la Paz"

Hay veces, como en la esclava mulata de Juan Alvarez del Castillo, tenia una esclava que se llamaba Mariana de Lupiana - como ella era la esclava de su mujer, le pusieron "Lupiana" para identificarla como su propiedad.

So it appears that in the early church records of Chilchota, Michoacan, separate books were kept for those who were Spaniards, Indian, Mulattoes, and Mestizos.

It was also observed that black and mulatto slaves were given the last name of "de la Cruz" to identify them as they had not had a surname. With the mestizos, they gave them the last name of "de la Paz".

Sometimes, as in the case of Juan Alvarez del Castillo, he had a slave mulatto named Mariana de Lupiana. Since this slave belonged to his wife, she was given the last name of "Lupiana", which was his wife's last name - all done to indentify the slave as their property.

Hello, I am new to the group and in the process of researching my father's family (Diaz) which is from Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco. I have included what I know so far. I am still awaiting some records from the Family History Center. I will also be researching the Luna line in Mayahua De Estrada, Zacatecas as my father's mother was a Luna. I just wanted to post this message in case anyone just happens to have some information and/or I can be of any help in the future. Also, If I should post this information somewhere else, let me know. I also have this information entered into ancestry.com. Thank you for your time.

Reye Diaz

Sample:

1. Reye Diaz – 1968 – Still Living – Sacramento, CA. - Me

2.
Camillo Nicholas Diaz – July 18, 1923 – December 2, 2002
Went by Nick C. Diaz. World War II Veteran, Army Ranger, Born in Merino Colorado, died in Sacramento, CA. Married twice. Son of Joseph Diaz and Juanita Luna

3.
Joseph Maria Diaz – July 5, 1896 – May 15, 1968
Went by Joe Diaz. Farmer and Bootlegger. Born in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
Documents: Civil records from Tepatitlan, maintain original document, show a Jose Ma. Diaz was born on July 5, 1896 to a Julio Diaz and Romana Nario. These same records also show the parent of Julio Diaz to be Encarnacion Diaz & Regina Ramirez and the parents of Romana Nario to be Juan Nario and Gregoria Camerena. Married to Juanita Magallenas Luna who, according to original Civil documents from Mayahua De Estrada, Zacatecas, was born on January 6, 1904. While in the U.S., she maintained a DOB of December 7, 1903. She died in March of 1903 in Sacramento. Have not committed to her genealogy but have been able to determine that her mother was named Albina Magallanez -1867 (Zacatecas) –1941 (Salinas, CA). and her father was named C. Florencio Luna who was born in 1868 in Mexico (Zacatecas).

4. Julio Diaz (abt: 1850) - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Julio Dias Ramires was christened on April 15, 1850 in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. His parent were Encarnacion Diaz and Regina Ramires. Batch # C603712, Source Call # 0218458.

5. Encarnacion Diaz – Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that an Encarnacion Dias was married June 21, 1849 to a Regina Ramires in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Encarnacion Dias to be a Juan Jose Diaz & Crecensia Gomez. Batch #M603735, Source Call #0218525.

6. Juan Jose Diaz - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Juan Jose Diaz Castellano was married June 24, 1811 to a Crecensia Gomez in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Juan Jose Diaz to be a Nicolas Diaz Castellano & Teresa De Asebes. Batch #M603728, Source Call #0218519.

7. Jose Nicolas Dias - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Jose Nicolas Diaz was married February 2, 1788 to a Teresa De Asebes in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Nicolas Dias to be a Manuel Dias & Maria Ana Peres. Batch #M603728, Source Call #0218519.

8.

Joseph Manuel Dias - Not sure of DOB, Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Joseph Manuel Dias was married June 25, 1752 to a Maria Anna Peres in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. Does not show parents. Batch #M603726, Source Call #0218517.

Katy we had discussed who the parents of Teresa Carlos de Godoy in Jerez, Zac were and this dispensation for her daughter Gertrudis Fernandez to Francisco Acuna to marriage shows her father. Mystery solved.
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Wa.

source: sagrada mitra record # 1405 167994 film marriages 1725-1726
page 254 Familysearch online program
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-32781-90?cc=1874591&wc…
page 76 Familysearch online program

http://www.msn.com/es-mx/noticias/mexico/halla-mexicano-descendientes-d…

Saludos a todos, les tengo una pregunta: en la epoca colonial era costumbre ponerle a los apellidos con "de", como mi ancestro José Doroteo de Castro, español de las Barrancas de Zacoalco de Torres. Su apellido materno de Doroteo era "Solórzano". Mi pregunta es si en esos tiempos se les pondría o se les consideraba como "José Doroteo de Castro y Solórzano"? Tambien como sería la forma correcta de escribir esos apellidos?

Mi otra pregunta es de los apellidos matrimoniales que normalmente se usan con "de". Tengo entendido que en los tiempos del virreinato a las mujeres no se les agregaba el apellido del esposo. En que tiempo se les empezó a poner el nombre matrimonial a las mujeres?

Como mi tatarabuela Sabina Villalvaso Corona quien se caso con mi tatarabuelo Ignacio Castro Rodríguez, sería "Sabina Villalvaso Corona de Castro" o "Sabina Villalvaso de Castro". Se casaron approximadamente en los 1850s. Se les puede referir con su apellido de matrimonio?

Gracias,
Valente.

Hola Primos!

As many of us have found out, there are lots of us with ancestors who came from the "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán". The old Obispado de Michoacán covered a vast area; Guanajuato, San Luis Potosí, Michoacan, Colima, and some towns close to the Jalisco/Michoacán border (La Barca, Ocotlan, Poncitlan, Tamazula, etc). I've explored some of the records from the old Obispado de Michoacán that are up on familysearch.org, under the church records for Morelia. They are a veritable treasure trove! However, there's no indexes that I know of, are there? That said, I have some questions:

Is there any interest in getting the records indexed in similar fashion as to what www.guadalajaradispensas.com and Guadalajara Dispenss.tumblr.com are doing?

Has anyone else indexed the records or started to?

If there's interest and no one has indexed the records, would folks be willing to lend a hand with some of the indexing?

Thanks for you time,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hi,

hmmm first time I saw that it was referred to as the Rio de Coculiten
and not just plain Coculiten. in another record it is called Ranchos de
Cuculiten.

I was just looking over a 1752 record of Clofia Diaz being baptised
whose parents were my GGGGGG grandparents: Bicente Diaz and Maria del
Carmen Rodrigues. My question is more about the padrinos: Does this
couple ring a bell for anyone:

Francisco Damacio Rodrigues and Fermina Laurelia Pinedo ? I know some of
you are doing Pinedo research and though this couple might provoke a
comment.

thanks,

joseph

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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I recently took an Ancestry.com DNA test and when I got the results I was a bit puzzled. From my research I was expecting mainly Spanish, Native American and maybe some Mediterranean traces but I was surprised to see a high percentage of Great Britain 25%. Has anyone else from the Jalisco region received similar results?
Thanks!

I have been searching for Thomas de la Puente (LH8B-F6F, familysearch.org)-6th grandfather
​ marriage to Maria Ruis most of their children were born in venado, san luis potosi, mexico.

Just connected to his family so hoping someone has already found the parents. Thanks for the help.

Alguien ha encontrado habitantes de Mecatabasco o Valle de huejucar antes de 1750?
Ya saben que los archivos de Juchipila que era la parroquia que les correspondía fue saquedada muchas veces en las guerras de antaño, pero me pregunto si alguien ha encontrado algo en la arquidiocesis...

Mi libro sobre las familias antiguas de Tlaltenango que incluye padrones y transcripciones de registros parroquiales de los siglos XVII y XVIII del pueblo de Tlaltenango, así como mapas ineditos de la región de la misma época de la región ya está disponible a la venta en:

http://www.lulu.com/product/tapa-blanda/familias-antiguas-de-tlaltenang…

My book on the early families of Tlaltenango which includes censuses and transcriptions of parish registries from the 17th and 18th centuries from the town of Tlaltenango, as well as previously unpublished maps of the region from the same time period, is now available for sale at:

http://www.lulu.com/product/tapa-blanda/familias-antiguas-de-tlaltenang…

Good morning primos!
The present post is to ask for help in my Ponce de León line.Though this branch of the Ponces doesn't appear yet to be related to families in Nueva Galicia it may end up being the origin of some or many "de León" families.
I descend from Hernán Ponce de León who married María de Pardo in Valladolid Michoacán in the end of the XVI century; this Hernán das the son and the grandson of two other Hernán Ponce de León.
I've found a good amount of information about a very dynamic conqueror by that name, this one participated in the conquest of several countries and went back to Sevilla a very wealthy man. The chronology and some other things fit well for him to be my first Hernán but can't proove it yet. Has any one here researched the Ponces de León?

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:51 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins" April 2017

http://somosprimos.com/sp2017/spapr17/spapr17.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

When you open your April issue of Somos Primos, you will see a husge photo of the U.S. Army’s all Mexican-American Infantry Unit.

The 141st Regiment traces their roots back to the Texas Revolution and is the longest serving unit of the Texas National Guard. The 36th Division or T-Patchers as they were known spearheaded the Allied landing at Salerno Italy. The unit saw action at Mount Rotondo, San Pietro and one of the most controversial and deadliest battles of WWII, the crossing of the Rapido River. In a span of forty-eight hours, the 36th Division lost over two thousand men at the Rapido River in January of 1944. It became so controversial that after the war a congressional hearing was held to see if actions should be taken on those who were in command of a unit that lost so many American lives.

I remembered that in the 1980s, a friend Alfred Lugo, had written a script about that unit, the Men of Company E. Alfred was working at KOCE in the 1970s at the same time I was teaching at Golden West College.

I am suggesting that in May, we have two dates at which it would be appropriate to present the Men of Company E,El Cinco de Mayo (May 5th) and Armed Forces Day (May 20th). It could be done as a Reader's Theater in the classroom for (U.S. History, Social Studies, English, Theater Arts, and Chicano Studies).

I called Alfred last night, asking if the script was available. He said, I was the second person that very day that asked about the script. I told him, he was ahead of the time, and now was perfect timing.

Alfred said he would make the script available. Please contact him at:
alfredo.lugo@verizon.net
Home: 562-696-6204
Cell: 562-706-3286

April brings us new birth. Let this be a new beginning for all of us, finding a way to honor our heritage with facts, seeking them out and
sharing them. May you enjoy Easter, in all its intent . . renewal, and
joy.

Abrazos, Mimi

SOMOS PRIMOS APRIL 2017

UNITED STATES
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Hola a todos los genealogistas:

Estoy publicando una primera lista de los apellidos africanos que he encontrado en Familysearch:

1. Angola
2. Biafra o Biafara
3. Ferranovo
4. Cabo, Cape o Caboverde
5. Mandinga
6. Canon
7. Negro
8. Negra
9. Esclavo o Esclava
10. Mee
11. Gervise
12. Calvo, apellido genovés que pasó a Sevilla y a Jerez de la Frontera y luego a Cuba y Nueva España con importantes ramas mulatas en Guanajuato y San Luis Potosí.

Les invito a registrar los apellidos africanos que lleguen a encontrar en sus búsquedas.

Marcelina

Marcelina

Where can I find information and books on the history, ranches and properties and maps of San Julian Jalisco and San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno Jalisco .

Where can I find information and books on the history, ranches and properties and maps of San Julian Jalisco and San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno Jalisco .

Maria Rita Valencia and Jose Domingo Estrada are my ancestors. I'm no having much luck finding the marriage record even though I have the date and film number. I would appreciate it very much if someone can find the image number of the record. I am hoping to find their parents names.

Here is the info:

Maria Rita Valencia
mentioned in the record of Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia
Name Joseph Domingo De Estrada
Spouse's Name Maria Rita Valencia
Event Date 09 Feb 1762
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFS-VDR : 15 July 2015), Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia, 09 Feb 1762; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

my research, searching for my half sibling ancestors at Totatiche Jalisco provided me
with a birth record of her great grandmother. in the sentence indicating raza, it had Indigena-Blanca. does it mean that she was a mestiza? Other findings I have founded were either Indios/as, mestizos/as or espanol/a natural if born in Nueva Galicia, so the term indigena-blanca is new to me. Can anybody clear this for me. Thanks. Arturo

Question regarding my 4th Great Grandmother Manuela Bobadilla' Parents. I've only been able to find her Defuncion Record from 6-19-1828 from Atolinga. It states her parents were Gerardo Bobadilla and Rita Contreras. When I research further I can only find Gerardo Bobadilla married to Rita Saldana. Do any Bobadilla descendants in the forum know if its the same Rita.
Manuela Bobadilla was married to Valentin Delgado.

Thanks
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Can anyone tell me where I can find records of indigenous family members in Mexico. I know there are some listed in the regular archives such as the LDS family history library but is there any other form of registering births, deaths etc of indigenous people of Mexico?
Thank you  Rossana 
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Darwin

This is not really an even or announcement, but I was just wondering if the admins knew of a way to code a search function in this site.

For example, I am sure several questions I would like to ask have been asked before, but I am not likely going to read past 20 or so pages of forum topics. Does anyone have the code for the webpage who might be able to put in that function?

Thanks,

Rafa

Would anyone be able to take a look at the record of Jose (at the bottom left of the page) and tell me what are the names of his grandparents? I can't the paternal grandmother's last name, I think her first name is Lucia, and I can't decipher his maternal grandparents' first names aside from his grandmother's Garcia last name.

I would appreciate if you could take a look.

Link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GBSS-C1?mode=g&i=91&wc=3J6…

Thanks,
Rafa

Does anyone in this group have Haplogroup N.?
On the Gary Felix site there are only 4 people with this N.

I had my maternal Uncle Louis Gutierrez do the DNA test in 2006 and and he has since died. At that time they did not do an ethnic breakdown and after all this time the sample is too degraded to do it now.

All of the match's have been from Finland, Sweden, Russia and China but none from Mexico even though I can trace this Gutierrez line back to 1650 in Michoacan.

Linda Castanon-Long

Gutierrez in Michoacan until 1750 when they moved to Jalisco.

I AM RESEARCHING JUAN MARTIN TORRES, WIFE BEING XASINTA DE SANTOS.FOUND THAT SOME OF HIS KIDS FROM SAN ANTONIO DE LOS VILLALOVOS(MARIA ANGEL 1783) BUT LOOKING TO SEE IF JUAN MARTIN CAME FROM THERE MAYBE AROUND 1755 ,BUT FAMILY SEARCH DOESN'T GO BACK THAT FAR.I DID FIND A JUAN MARTIN TORRES THAT WAS BORN ELSEWHERE BUT HE IS LIST AS BEING ESP. ALL OF JUAN MARTIN TORRES KIDS IN MY LINE WERE INDIO.IF I COULD FIND OTHER REFERENCES WHERE I COULD RESEARCH THEM I WOULD GREATLY APPRTECIATE IT'  .   JOSE TORRES  HERJOE59@YAHOO.COM

I was reading a death record from Mexico City and it said the person (a female) "fallecio de fijo". She was 30 years old. What is "fijo"?

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA