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Danny, the Onofre de Villalobos in the index that George mentioned is a different Onofre. The one that you are looking for was the son of Diego de Villalobos y Macías Valadez and Ana Jiménez Carrillo.

Jalpa, Zac. Octubre 9 de 1717.- Exp 97.- Dispensa de Banas.- Onofre de Villalobos, español de 36 anos de edad, vecino de la Estanzuela. Feligresia de Aguascalientes, hijo legitimo de Diego Villalobos, difunto y Ana Jimenez espanoles: con Isabel de Artega, de 24 anos de edad, hija legitima de Lazaro Vasquez y de Maria Carrillo, difunta, mulatos vecinos de la juridiccion de Jalpa.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6LZ9-F

This other dispensa that was found in the document that Mary Lou Montagna has thankfully shared is helpful with the ancestry of Ana Jiménez Carrillo.
G-168376 Jun 1755 Aguascalientes
Juan de Villalobos, esp, nat y vec de Aguascalientes
HL Onofre de Villalobos y Isabel Carrillo
Con Catarina Rosalia Lechuga, esp, 27a, de Aguascalientes
HL Miguel Lechuga y María Flores+

Arbol Catarina Carrillo 1 Teresa Carrillo
Ana Jimenez 2 María Diaz
Onofre de Villalobos 3 Miguel Lechuga
Pto 4 Pta

Este parentesco no es publico a causa de averse criado con secreto Catarina Lechuga sabe…….

TT Francisco de Villalobos, esp, 68a, Juan es su sobrino de cons en 3 grado, org y vec de este partido

Then there is this dispensa that provides evidence that the father of Diego de Villalobos was Francisco de Villalobos.
G-168370 Abril 1727 Aguascalientes

Ignacio de Villalobos, 26a hl de Pedro de Villalobos+ y Leonor Ramirez+ con Catarina de Villalobos, 30a hl Diego de Villalobos+ y Ana Jimenez

[Tronco Cristóbal de Villalobos..cc..María Pérez de Nava]
[Tomás de Villalobos .........1...Francisco de Villalobos]
Pedro de Villalobos.............2...Diego de Villalobos
Ignacio de Villalobos, pto....3...Catarina de Villalobos, pta

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-38179-52

There is another dispensa that states that Diego de Villalobos was the son of Francisco de Villalobos.
Dispensa de 4o grado
Tronco Francisco de Villalobos cc María Macias
Diego Villalobos..................1...Mariana Villalobos
cc Ana Jimenez.........................cc Esteban de Chavez
Francisco Villalobos............2...Vicente de Chavez
cc Xaviera Velasco....................cc Isabel de Ulloa
Pioquinto de Villalobos........3...Rosalia de Chavez
cc Margarita Macias..................cc Joseph Manuel Lopez
Teresa de Villalobos, pta.....4...Miguel Ignacio Lopez, pto

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18401-10098-46

Onofre de Villalobos was baptized 21 Dec 1680 in Teocaltiche.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ND1N-953

The parents of Ana Jiménez Carrillo were Juan Jiménez and Catalina Carrillo de Sandi and were married in 1648 in Teocaltiche.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-3188-11

Danny

Check the matrimonial investigation indices for Aguacalientes that I posted here at NR. They are in the Files, Reference Material area of NR. The indices go to about 1740, with a few later records that were included in the volumes dated abt 1740 and before.

George Fulton

Hola Isabel,

Hay un montón de codigos de cupones de FTDNA en la página http://bit.ly/2gJfnKa Hicieron la página para poder compartir los cupones.

Si no lo has hecho espero que tambien vas a participar en el proyecto Nueva Galicia DNA en https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/nueva-galicia-dna/about/background Solo hay que hacer clic en join para cada persona que se va hacer una prueba de ADN.

Saludos
Armando

Linda,

Yes, I do have more information on Francisco Xavier ROMERO. He and his first wife are my 7th great-grandparents. They originally lived in Durango and then moved to Colotlan, Jalisco in the 1740's. Here is his family information from both his first and second wife.

Francisco Xavier ROMERO married (1) Francisca NORIEGA ALDANA daughter of Francisco DE NORIEGA and Luisa DE ALDANA DE LA RUA on 11 Feb 1703 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico. Francisca was christened on 23 Oct 1672 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.

They had the following children:
i. Petronila Maria de los Dolores ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 27 Jan 1704 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
ii. Lorenso Hipolito ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 29 Aug 1707 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
iii. Dominga Maria ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 23 Aug 1710 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
iv. Joseph ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 20 Jan 1716 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
v. Petronila Maria de los Dolores ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 6 Mar 1718 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
vi. Juan Joseph ROMERO.
Juan married Juana Maria DE ORTEGA daughter of Joseph DE ORTEGA and Leonoron DE CHAVES on 1 Mar 1737 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. Joachin ROMERO.
Joachin married Maria Dominga Josepha DE LA TORRE daughter of Phelipe DE LA TORRE and Antonia DE LA SENA on 12 Feb 1741 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. (My 6th great-grandparents!)
viii. Juan Manuel ROMERO.
Juan married Ana Maria DE CASAS on 14 Feb 1745 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
ix. Agustina ROMERO.
Agustina married Marcos DE ORTEGA son of Joseph DE ORTEGA and Leonoron DE CHAVES on 21 Jun 1745 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

Francisco Xavier ROMERO married (2) Maria de la Trinidad RAMIREZ on 4 Sep 1718 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.

They had the following children:
x. Paula de los Dolores ROMERO RAMIREZ was christened on 9 Jul 1719 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
Paula married Gregorio MARQUES son of Pedro MARQUES and Clara DE CHAVES on 5 Apr 1739 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
xi. Antonio Tiburcio ROMERO.
Antonio married Margarita Josepha MARQUES GAMBOA daughter of Joseph Antonio MARQUES and Juana Francisca GAMBOA on 29 May 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Margarita was christened on 10 Aug 1727 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
xii. Juana Anttonia ROMERO RAMIREZ was christened on 5 Jul 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
Juana married Mathias Nicolas MARQUES RAMIREZ son of Francisco MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA on 10 Jul 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Mathias was christened on 12 Apr 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

I couldn't find any information on the couple you mentioned.

Angie Godina

HI,

I'm just writing down the pertinent details:

Date of recording: 17 Jan. 1910
Date of birth: 8 Jan. 1910
Name of child: Jose Sarabia
Father: Jose Sarabia
Mother: Luisa Pulido
Paternal grandparents: Fernando Sarabia & Cleta Guzman
Maternal grandparents: Perfecto Pulido & Macedonia Vargas
Testigos: Marcelino Godinez & Tranquilino Ceja

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

Hola Marcelina-
El indice en Family Search esta en error. Jose Rafael Valdez y Maria Rita Magdaleno se casaron el 26 de febrero 1775.

Jose Rafael, espanol, originario y vecino de San Cristobal, hijo de Basilio Valdez y Manuela Maravillas con Maria Rita Magdaleno, espanola, originaria y vecina de Santa Barbara, hija de Jose Ferer Magdaleno (aka Dondiego) y Ana Maria Jimenez.

La partida de matrimonio se encuentra en la siguiente enlace:
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VPZ5-1?cc=1874591&wc=3JCY-… : 28 June 2014), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > image 326 of 606; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

Saludos
Austin Perez

Hello Juan,

That's the beauty of Y-DNA testing. It can provide people with a more solid hypothesis than pure documentation. Thank you so much for publicly sharing the information about the matching.

BigY testing along with a YFull analysis for both of you would provide a TMRCA such as many that are found at https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF27/ Notice that some are as recent as 50 years ago and some 350 years ago and so on. Unfortunately Alex Williamson doesn't do that for his tree but his service is free. The cost of the YFull analysis is very small, compared to the BigY, in return for a TMRCA.

I hope that your match can afford the BigY and is interested in a BigY test. It is on sale and there are $75 off coupons at http://bit.ly/2gJfnKa

Also if more descendants of Nicolas Caldera and Clara Cid Caldera, but from different branches than the one your match descends from, were to get a Y67 or Y111 test and match the two of you then it would solidify the common ancestry of everyone that matches.

Saludos,
Armando

.
could this be your Manuel and Guadalupe?
.
marriage information recorded 4 Jan 1764 in Monte Escobedo,Zac
Manuel Sanches Espanol from la Canada M.E. age 21
parents: Thomas Villanueva Sanches Castelllanos and Juana Clara Barragan both deceased
with Maria Guadalupe Ulloa Espanola age 22
parents: Lorenso Ulloa and Theresa Justa Duran
source: 1158240 film
page 453 Familysearch online
.
there is a Tetillas in Monte Escobedo, too. If this is your line I have the Sanchez Castellanos back to abt 1630 on Ancestry and Rootsweb. My file is called Mexico.

Linda Castanon-Long

by the way I do descend from Maria Cid Caldera with ties to Monte Escobedo, Tepetongo and Jerez as well as Colotlan, Jalisco

It should be noted that the Crown of Aragon included large portions of Italy including Sicily and Naples. Under the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella, Castile and Aragon were combined into one state now known as Spain. This should explain any Italian lineage you find in Mexico.

My views are are not scientific but deduction from the what I have seen and read. If you took your DNA test through Ancestry you will see all the people you match have very similar results. My family, Relatives and friends all were as astonished as you and I to see Italian/Greek. I read Ancestry's explanation of history why there is an admixed in Spain as well as in Italy/Greece. My cousins the Pedrozas matched to over 490 people with very similar results, as well as the Molinas, Antunas, Castellanos, Rodriguez/Lomelin, and Ruiz/Vargas. But my friend who is a Garcia Trevino from Nuevo Leon matched to over 2000 people, all with very similar DNA.

Published in 1925, La Raza Cósmica by Jose Vasconcelos The phrase derived by a movement that stated Americans have the blood of all the world's so-called “races”: European, Asian-descended native Americans and Africans, thereby transcending the peoples of the "old world". While the entire phrase did not catch on, La Raza did.

The Ancestry.Com "Zacatecas, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1861-1987" are new, are indexed and have source pages. There are little pointers on the .pdf page on the system. You can download them too, but the pointers are gone. These are the log books kept civil registrars. The death descriptions give names of reporting family members, and the names of the parents and spouse of the deceased, with time of death, cause of death and location. Depending on the handwriting, some are easier to read than others. 
The same  log books also contain some marriage announcements and birth registrations, despite the title.
  From: Arturo Gonzalez
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] You are hereForums / History, Culture and General Discussion / Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records for Free for Día de Muertos Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records for Free for Día de Muertos

Is there a list of the available Mexico records for Ancestry.com by
state, municipality, year, etc? Do they offer the actual images or
just the database results? Are there NEW images of films added here
not available on FamilySearch.org?

Their 14-day "free" access doesn't let you see details of the
results--all it does is give you vague results, and then asks for you
credit card information. I ran a search for Catarina Banegas, born
1660, in Tlaltenango, and when I clicked on one of the records, here's
what it gave you: "Index Only Record.  Source Information
Ancestry.com. Mexico, Select Baptisms, 1560-1950 [database on-line].
Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data:
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
"

I don't have a paid account on Ancestry, but I suspect their records
are merely duplicates of FamilySearch.org.

Please correct me if there's any value to this site for Mexican records.

Thanks, Arturo

The Ancestry.Com "Zacatecas, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1861-1987" are new, are indexed and have source pages. There are little pointers on the .pdf page on the system. You can download them too, but the pointers are gone. These are the log books kept civil registrars. The death descriptions give names of reporting family members, and the names of the parents and spouse of the deceased, with time of death, cause of death and location. Depending on the handwriting, some are easier to read than others. 
The same  log books also contain some marriage announcements and birth registrations, despite the title.
  From: Arturo Gonzalez
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] You are hereForums / History, Culture and General Discussion / Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records for Free for Día de Muertos Ancestry.com Offers Up 220M Mexican Records for Free for Día de Muertos

Is there a list of the available Mexico records for Ancestry.com by
state, municipality, year, etc? Do they offer the actual images or
just the database results? Are there NEW images of films added here
not available on FamilySearch.org?

Their 14-day "free" access doesn't let you see details of the
results--all it does is give you vague results, and then asks for you
credit card information. I ran a search for Catarina Banegas, born
1660, in Tlaltenango, and when I clicked on one of the records, here's
what it gave you: "Index Only Record.  Source Information
Ancestry.com. Mexico, Select Baptisms, 1560-1950 [database on-line].
Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data:
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
"

I don't have a paid account on Ancestry, but I suspect their records
are merely duplicates of FamilySearch.org.

Please correct me if there's any value to this site for Mexican records.

Thanks, Arturo

I don't think your Hostotipac refers to the current town of Hostotipaquillo. I have ancestors in and around Mascota and Guachinango, and some of them are also mentioned to be residing in "el real de Hostotipaque" with several spellings. I believe it may refer to the following location in the municipality of San Sebastian del Oeste, which is very close to Mascota:

http://www.en.nuestro-mexico.com/Jalisco/San-Sebastian-del-Oeste/Areas-…

In comparing his letters this is what it looks like "ost_liquis poque" or Ost_tiqui (but I think the poque might be por que or pa que). In addition being that he at times spells as it sounds, it could begin with jost_tiquis poque.

I'll have to review the original that you sent a few days ago to compare more words although we know that he writes without clarity at times.

it looks like Ostotiquipaque

Danny C. Alonso

It occurred to me that another possibility is that Diego Jaime, listed as the father of Jorge, may have actually been a son of a Romo de Vivar. I've seen statistics that up to a quarter of the tests to establish paternity today come back negative.
Deedra Corona

maybe mari sandoval olibarri was married to diego jaime and cheated on her husband with a man with the last name romo de vivar.

Well done! I am also a descendant of Jorge, so this is interesting. Unfortunately, I do not get my Y-chromosome or my mtDNA from Aguascalientes, so neither would have been of any help to me.

Thanks!

Scott Stockwell

Congratualtions Luis! Have you contacted Daniel Mendez de Camino? I met him years ago in a FHL. If I recall correctly, the same Jorge Jayme was his brick wall and I'm sure he would love to know what you have discovered. Please let us know of your progress. This line is in my family, too. (Don't know if you remember)

Sherri Mora

Hola Melinda:

La familia Villaseñor se encuentra relacionada con la familia Bocanegra, descendiente de Don Egidio Bocanegra.

Quien al parecer tiene mayor avance sobre esta familia es Richard Ricci. Por mi parte desciendo de los Spínola y los Oria (Doria).

Puedes leer la información sobre el apellido Bocanegra en la página bisabuelos.com

puedes leer sobra las siguientes casa nobles: Condes de Palma del Río, Señorío de la Monclova y Señorío de Guadalcázar, Córdoba.

Saludos

Marcelina

Hi Danny,

The first couple Andrés Pérez and Felipa Morcillo after their name looks
like there's an M or maybe AM with a parenthesis after it, so that may be
the abuelos maternos.

Paige

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone look at this baptism for Jose Monico Miguel Almeida and tell
> me if all 3 couples are the padrinos or if 2 of the couples are
> grandparents. its right after where it says Jose Monico Miguel hijo de
> Refugio Almeida y de Maria Antonia Peres.
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65G9-GGH
>
> Danny C. Alonso

It states "la quarta echa a los circumstantes despues de haverlos examinado...etc." This is stated on the the records before and after Ramos so it seems like a routine phrase.

Algunas familias se asentaron tempranamente en Colima. Hay en línea un libro PDF llamado "andariegos y pobladores de nueva españa y nueva galicia s.xvi" de Miguel Romero de Solís, hay varias personas con el apellido Contreras.

Podrías revisarlo, está en orden alfabético. Espero te sirva.

Saludos

Marcelina

The record you want is at image 352 in this volume. The parents of the couple are Juan Jose Ruiz and Maria Francisca Perez, and Vicente Ysaguirre and Maria Victoria de la Cruz.

There seems to be at least two groups of records for this church. The section with your record goes to image 390 (left side is 1801), and the right side restarts in 1766.

If the record does not appear where you expect it, you may need to scan through the whole volume to see how the book/film is laid out. Some times there will be records for different chapels bound together in one volume. Sometimes, the volume will be in poor condition, and the pages are just mixed up.

George Fulton

I began asking questions of my relatives in Mexico more than 30 years ago, but did not write it down. 10 years later, realizing most of my maternal line had ceased to be, I started asking questions and writing it down. Mom had the most amazing memory, along with my Aunt who traveled extensively between California, San Antonio and Mexico City where she had contact with extended 2nd cousins. Everyone of my cousins were gracious and had a great interest in the knowledge collected. Even an Aunt whom I had never met and did not seem very interested, sent me a picture of our great grandmother no one had ever seen and her shawl still in its original box. I can tell you I did not think there was any way to find out anymore than what I was told and so the years went by and my relatives would ask where are the results but I really didn't have much. They stopped asking. I finally found time to enter info on ancestry and send access to all my cousins of their family and my progress which they love getting.

I would think there is a strong interest in Mexico based on the marvelous books written by Mariano Gonzales Leal, Israel Cavazo Garza, Rafael Morales Bocardo, MARIA DE LA LUZ MONTEJANO HILTON "la Mitra de Guadalajara, and the many books others have mentioned on this site.

I wanted to "find" something like Find a Grave as well; but instead I ended up having someone take pictures of every gravestone in a small town's cemetery. This was something of a foreign idea to my cousins out in Mexico and found it odd. That research help me make a few missing connections in my tree (and are considering adding it to the Find-A-Grave in the US; but dont know the privacy/permissions side of it).

They were also amazed and surprised at all the data/docs available for research, but they seemed to think it's out of their reach for usage (just didn't have enough time to train others). Perhaps just a comfort level with tech for some and the younger kids are just interested in Facebook connections.

As for the elders they have what I call "Spoken Genealogy" which is an oral history of ancestors and family lineage. I found some stories interesting and they ended up linking people that had no written records along with some stories to go with them.

In the end I think its a cultural thing to have family history spoken and told in stories. A few were OK with transcribed/recorded interviews as I was testing the waters.

That's my 2 cents...