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Estimados Miembros del Foro:

A lo large de los últimos meses he tenido bastante éxito trasando mi línea hasta el siglo XVI en Jalisco. Creo que algunos de estos temas ya han sido abordados en el foro, pero quería ver si podíamos consolidarlos.

Por medio de documentos he venido a deducir que Juan de Arayza y Medina (?-c.1701) casó con Maria del Castillo (?-c.1701) antes de 1667, pues tuvieron una hija, Maria, en abril de 1667 en Tecolotlán. Mi linea viene del cuatro hijo de Juan de Arayza y Medina y Maria del Castillo, llamado Christobal de Arayza y Medina; estimo que nació en 1682. Él casó con Antonia de Gusman Gomes el 29 de agosto de 1701 en Tecolotlán.

Por la línea de los de Guzmán soy descendiente doble. Juan de Gusman (1651-c.1701) casó con Luisa Gomes (?-c.1701) antes de 1681, pero yo vengo tanto de su tercera hija Antonia (c.1685-c.1753) (ya antes mencionada en la línea de los Araiza) como de su último hijo, Juan Antonio nacido el 26 de junio de 1692 en Tecolotlán. No tengo información que conecte a los Gusmán con la conquista, todavía. Juan Antonio casó con Maria Antonia de Zambrano el 8 de Feb de 1723 en Tuxcacuesco. Su quinto hijo Sebastián de Gusmán casó primero con Maria Antonia Martínez, con quien tuvo por lo menos 8 hijos. Después de enviudar, Sebastián casó con Maria Antonia de Jesus Michel el 15 de Feb de 1779. Su primer hijo, Josef de los Santos de Gusman Michel nació casi exactamente 9 meses después, el 31 de octube de 1779. Santos de Gusman también se casaría dos veces, pero después de enviudar la segunda vez se ordenó sacerdote. Durante el tiempo de la Independecia los de Gusman se mudaron a Autlán y mepezaron a apellidarse simplemente Guzmán. Con su segunda esposa, Maria Josefa Amador Ortega, Santos tendría por lo menos 5 hijos. Yo soy descendiente de su segundo hijo, José María Guzmán, nacido en Autlán el 7 de enero de 1817.

Alguien tiene información anterior a la que he podido reunir? Me interesa ver si podemos establecer el origen de los apellidos Guzmán y Araiza, pues son apellidos que llegaron a mi por medio de mi abuela materna.

Con un saludo cordial,

Sergio Salés

In reviewing the digital copy of an indexed baptism, the priest indicated that the names of the parents and the grandparents paternos and maternos were located in the "libro reservado," Checking several pages in front of and behind this record, I could not locate another record in which the priest referred to the "libro reservado." This record was indexed and the indexer listed the names of the parents and the grandarents, which I have located in other records,however there is a discrepancy with the surname of the maternal grandmother.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11811-102828-20?cc=1502404… : accessed 18 September 2015), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Bautismos 1861-1862 > image 470 of 504; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

If, as the record is indexed, Jose Pedro is the son of Franciso Luebano and Cleofas Prieto, then his marriage record indicates that he was the hijo legtm of Francisco Luebano y Cleofas Prieto, so I don't think I am looking for a book of baptisms for "hijos naturals."

I'm hoping that someone can direct me to the location of the "libro researvdo," and offer an understanding of this term.

Thank you,

I was at the LDS Center tonight and finished reviewing the remainder of the microfilm number 0169054. The last 50 pages year 1699 about "Hacienda De La Concepcion" Villa De Aguascalientes, Jurisdicion de Teocaltiche. Something about que se vendio a Alonso Hernandez

I wrote down some names I saw:

Capitan Alonso Ruiz Escamila
Capitan Pedro Antonio Gallardo

The majority of the microfilm is about "Hacienda Palomas" of Juchipila

I am finished with that microfilm

There was a "Giant Indio" by the name of Antonio Cano that was transported on the ship "Santa Agueda" in 1792 and he was described as "Antonio Cano que tiene una extraordinaria y gigantesca estatura"

In the pars website:

The reference codes:

SGU,LEG,7058,12

SGU,LEG,7057,57

SGU,LEG,7058,32

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

I am trying to find when Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos traveled by ship to Nuevo Espana (Mexico). I know that he shows up in the records when in 1693 he was recommended by the Alcalde of Sombrerete Antonio Guiterrez De Teran to protect Sombrerete.

Don Fernando was born in Burgos, Spain in 1676 so to show up in Sombrerete in 1693 makes him 17 years old. But so far that is the earliest he is mentioned.

He would have had to travel by ship sometime in 1693 or before.

So in the Pars website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I do a search for "Pasajeros" then I filter by years on the left side. I get a long list of documents to choose from. Then those documents have lists of passenger names on each Navio that traveled to Nuevo Espana (Mexico).

Many of those names don't appear on a description that you can just look up in search. You have to read the list of names within the document.

El nombre de Don Fernando creo que esta enterrado en uno de esos listas y se tiene que leer lo para ver si sale.

Can anyone tell me whether the names of the parents of Isabel Ramirez appears in the marriage record of Juan Alonso de los Inojos, son of Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Domingues, with Isabel Ramirez, that took place on 22 May 1652 in Sta Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco (Batch M604121 Source 0221404)? In short, I want to figure out if this Isabel Ramirez is the daughter of Pedro Alonso Pedrozo-Hermosillo and Paula Torres?

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

Does anyone have an scan of the baptismal record for Diego Romo de Vivar from March 12, 1589, in Rielves, Toledo, Spain? If so, could you post the image at NR?

Thank you.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hola a todos, tengo una pregunta, alguna persona aqui me puede mandar por e mail o venderme Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia? Estoy estancado en mo antepasado Pedro de Ledezma año de nacimiento 1515 en Zamora España. No e podido it mas lejos en mi busqueda.

Gracias,

Jose

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I am talking to a Cronista of Zacatecas (historian) who is asking me if I know where bautismo records of the years 1665 - 1678 of the Santo Domingo Church of Ciudad Zacatecas, Mexico can be accessed?

Does anyone know. I looked in the familysearch.org archives and they only have these churches of Ciudad Zacatecas:

Jesus, Sagrarios, San Tiburcio, Nuestra Senora de Guadalup y San Francisco

Does anyone know where to access the bautimos records of Santo Domingo Church years 1665 - 1678? Thank you.

Hi,

I have been researching the Tejada line in Jerez and I found this Francisco Tejada, son of Juan Antonio Tejada and María Ascensión Sandobal.

First, I found a baptism record for him in Jerez, on 16/10/1757.

Then, I found another José Francisco Tejada (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mexico&id=I84…) who was married to María Francisca Saldívar Ortiz. Even though the parents are listed as José Tejada and Ascención Sandoval, on the translation for his son Cosme, it's stated that they were Antonio Tejada and María de la Ascención Sandoval.

Finally,I found a third José Francisco Tejada (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mexico&id=I84…) who was married to María Hilaria Martínez Díaz.

These 3 records could easily belong to the same person, as they match name and parent's names, also, the timeline is possible.

Does anyone has any further information about this person or the Tejada line in general?

Thank you in advance.

I came across my 2X great grandfather's marriage record, Anastacio Lopez and Urcina Arrieta. They were married in Jalpa, Zacatecas on September 4, 1836. I am wondering what the capital C stands for in front of his name and the MADAM or MADAME title in front of the bride's name. I noticed that the surrounding records do not have the same pattern.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11200-25898-60?cc=1804458&wc…

Thank you for your help!

Maria Elena Lopez

Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos was he Conde of Hacienda San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Supposedly he was born in 1676 in Burgos, Spain and I have been trying to find his pasajero de indias.

Some historians of Zacatecas say he arrived to Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1693. That would make him 17 years old and if he traveled as a kid on boat, he mostly likely was accompanied by adult. The adult would have his name registered in the pasajero de indias and one would have to read that document with hopes of finding Fernando De La Campa y Cos as a companion for being a kid.

Now, I was also told that his brother Antonio De La Campa Y Cos was the one that brought him over to Nueva Galicia. But I went into the Pars website and find:

Refernce code to enter: GUADALAJARA,44,N.6

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Document is dated 3/14/1675 and 14 pages long.

Brief description: "Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de teniente de capitán general del real y minas de Sombrerete a Antonio de la Campa Cos. Resuelto"

Fernando De La Campa y Cos wasn't even born in 1675.

I was reading the first page and it mentions "Pedro De La Campa" and decided to look him up.

Reference code: INDIFERENTE,125,N.18

That document is 4 pages long and dated 2/28/1675

bried description: "Relación de Méritos y servicios de Pedro de la Campa Cos, Teniente de Capitán General de las costas de Nueva Galicia"

Hello everyone,

I am having trouble reading this record for Estella Torres daughter of Pantaleon Torres and San Juana Mejia. It is faded and the writing is difficult to read. I appreciate all the help I can get. Thank you in advance.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12663-6988-51?cc=1790934&w…

It is the first record on the left.

Juanita

On image 44 of this document:

Reference No. GUADALAJARA,44,N.24

Pars website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

It mentions Rey Carlos De La Gracias De Dios, Antonio Cos, Hacienda de Sombrerete.

Did the Rey visit Sombrerete? This is a painting of what he looks like:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zr1h8w.jpg

On Image 55 it mentions "Antonio De Deza Y Ulloa"

Was he also in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1684?

He was the founder of Chihuahua and there is a statue of him.

I am sorry for the confusion
Juan Manuel casillas and Juana Maria Valdivia are the parents of jose thomas casillas

jose antonio salgado and Ma de san Joseph de la paz are the parents of maria gertrudis Salgado

Jose thomas Casillas and maria gertrudis salgado are the parents of jose maria casillas

Also i have discovered that I am related to steve hernandez throughDomingo hernandez gamino illegitimate daughter Catalina hernandez who was married to Francisco Velasquez with descendency in tepatitlan and the valle de gpe. I did not know of this relationship before because I thought that I descended from a second wife but further investigation reveals that I most likely descend from the first wife of juan climaco suazo, Phelicana Belasquez who descends from catalina Hernandez. I need to verify and will do so by pulling marriage record.
Steven hernandez Lopez is related to my mother in law often.

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From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Miggy GUTIERREZ
Sent: Mon 3/2/2009 8:24 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] genealogy errors-Confused

Rick, I'm confused, you mentioned the parents of Jose Maria Casillas Salgado as Jose Thomas Casillas and Juana Maria Valdivia yet Ricardo has the mother as Maria Gertrudis Salgado??
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That is correct. most genealogy books have the jose maria Casillas married to lugarda villalpando from ayo el chico/arandas as the parents. both couples married in 1788.Even you had that info until I told you that I speculated that it was wrong based on the info I had but that I did not have proof. I have that proof now. the other Jose maria casillas was the son of Jose de san Ramon Casillas and Magdalena Gonzalez Hermosillo

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Hi tocayo, can you please tell us what these two dates are so we can compare
our notes with yours? I have Jose Thomas Casillas and Maria Gertrudis
Salgado as Jose Maria Casillas Salgado's parents, and Salvador de
Villalpando and Josefa Margarita Muñoz de la Barba as Maria Lugarda's
parents (film # 279298). I have Jose Maria and Maria Lugarda's marriage date
as May 7, 1788 in Jalos, they were both from Catachimé, close to Cañadas de
Obregón.

Thanks

Rick

I was reading this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nueva_Galicia

" Nueva Galicia's territory became the present-day states of Aguascalientes, Colima, Jalisco, Nayarit and Zacatecas"

But after looking at the Catholic Church Archives of La Nueva Galicia. It often starts out mentioning the Obispo de Guadalajara de La Nueva Galicia de las provincias de Nayarit, Coahuila, Durango, Los Californias, Texas Del Consejo.

La Gaceta was one of the newspapers that was in circulation since 1722 in Mexico and I had gone to a website of the UNAM where you just enter what you want to look for in basic search. For example, "Fernando De La Campa y Cos" and it would list all newspapers along with years that has articles highlighted in yellow containing the words "Fernando De La Campa." I was quickly able to read old articles going as far back as 1722.

But it seems the UNAM changed their website:

http://www.hndm.unam.mx/index.php/es/

Now when I try to search for "Fernando De La Campa" It doesn't look for the exact words even if I go to advanced search. Also now many of those articles are:

"Restringido (PDF)" means you can only look at them from within the institution.

"Publico" means you can view them on the internet.

I can't find Fernando De La Campa like before they changed their website.

Do any of you know of other websites to look at old newspaper articles during colonial times?

I didn't realize this but I did a search in the Pars website for "Lista De Pasajeros" and a lot comes up.

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I was reading the pasajero de indias (Cadiz, Espana) a la Nueva Espana of Juan De Rebolledo year 1717 and here is a physical description of him:

21 anos de edad, blanco, poco barba, ojos grandes negros, pelo castano oscuro:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/oqk3h1.jpg

Pars website: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference to look up: CONTRATACION,5469,N.3,R.98

Description on page 6

Juan De Rebolledo was the husband of Juliana De La Campa, the youngest daughter of Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos of the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico

Since Juan Rebolledo was single in 1717. I have seen an article from "La Gaceta" newspaper year 1722 where it mentions of a visit to Zacatecas, Juan Rebolledo for some special occasion of Juliana De La Campa y Cos

Juan Rebolledo was also the Capitan/Governor of the Provincia of Texas De La Nuevo Espana(Mexico)

Hello guys this is my family from my mother side. De Santiago family from
zacatecas and moved to Jalisco.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23069

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

La Gaceta was one of the newspapers that was in circulation since 1722 in Mexico and I had gone to a website of the UNAM where you just enter what you want to look for in basic search. For example, "Fernando De La Campa y Cos" and it would list all newspapers along with years that has articles highlighted in yellow containing the words "Fernando De La Campa." I was quickly able to read old articles going as far back as 1722.

But it seems the UNAM changed their website:

http://www.hndm.unam.mx/index.php/es/

Now when I try to search for "Fernando De La Campa" It doesn't look for the exact words even if I go to advanced search. Also now many of those articles are:

"Restringido (PDF)" means you can only look at them from within the institution.

"Publico" means you can view them on the internet.

I can't find Fernando De La Campa like before they changed their website.

Do any of you know of other websites to look at old newspaper articles during colonial times?

Hello! My name is Isela Cueva Rizzi. I joined this listserv a few years ago when I was planning a trip to the rancho where my dad (who died 16 years ago at 68 years old) was born & raised - Rancho Santa Marta near Tecolotlan. I was most interested in learning more about my dad’s father, Esteban Cueva, of whom I know very little. From what I understand, my grandfather, Esteban, died when my dad was around 2 or 3 years old. My dad was his illegitimate child. Esteban was married to Catalina and they had several children together. Though they lived in the Rancho, they were connected to Tecolotlan.

I am not sure if my grandfather is related to the Cueva's you mention below. This is the first time since I’ve been a member that my last name and the nearby town of Tecolotlan has come up. I am very excited for the possibility of learning more about my grandfather & patriarchal lineage.

Many thanks for whatever help or encouragement you can offer.

Isela
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> of Francisco de la Cueva to Maria Barillas his father is named Francisco
> Beltran de la Cueva.
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> I too am convinced that the husband of married to Thomasina de Velasco and
> Catalina Vera y Monrroy are the same person; however we must have the primary
> documents to support this claim. With your hard work and that of others we
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For those that are interested in purchasing this set of books please contact Ignacio Narro. If you want more information about Mr. Narro please contact Josie Trevino.

Thanks,

Joseph

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From: ignacio narro [mailto:ignacio_narro@yahoo.com]
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Hi Joseph,

Per Jossie's email you know now that I am trying to publish a great work written by Mariano Gonzalez Leal, considered one of the best Spanish Genealogist.

His work was published several years ago by the Government of Jalisco, but just a few copies, and they are gone long ago.

I consider it so important in its field that I am exploring ways to finance its production.

It is a set of 10 books, including all the information since the "Conquistadores" came to Nueva Galicia up to today, it will not be an easy task.

I am planning to print 1,000 sets and hard cover each one instead of soft, to be able to reduce the 10 books set to 5 or 6.

I uderstand that you and your organization are interested particularly in this area and so, I am open to hear any idea you might have to bring this project to life.

I am in China right now, printing a book, but available through my email.

Thanks for your time.

Regards

Ignacio Narro

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Hi!

I have already sent Joseph an e-mail telling him you would be contacting him.

Good luck on your trip to China......don't eat too much Chinese food!!! -)

Abrazos,

Josie

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the reason why i'm sharing this is because when i start college again after september 24, i might not have much time to work on these since in addition to three regular classes, i'm doing an 'internship' for units towards graduation.plus i plan on taking a a thesis paper class for winter 2016, and if i get in, i'm gonna be quite busy then as well.

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