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  Spouse:  TEODORO ESCOVEDO Family
  Marriage:  21 MAY 1888   Guadalupe De Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

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Hola primos, alguien me podria decir el nombre del autor, editorial, año de impresion, etc. del Libro de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara?
Muchas gracias

Ricardo

Robert,

I thought I had lots of Escobedos [Escovedo] in my lines, but I see I have mostly Acevedos.

However, I did find one Escovedo. She was Mariana de Escovedo, an espanola (Spanish), who married a Pablo Jose Suriano, a mulato, around 1797, probably in Tepetongo or Salitrillo. That means she might have been born around 1777. Mariana was also listed in her children's birth records under various names such as Maria Ana Guadalupe [Mata] or [Flores] or [De La Torre]. This has made it hard for me to find her birth record so I don't know who her parents were or where she was born. I suspect her mother may have been a Mata or Flores or a Delatorre; those families were as prominent in Zacatecas as the Escovedos. Sometimes they used only their mother's surname.

In the pilot site for Family Search, they have transcribed the records for Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, and Pinos in Zacatecas, and many Escovedos are listed in those communities. I might find Mariana when they get to transcribing the Monte Escobedo and other films. If her record was lost or among those not filmed, then I am out of luck.

It is interesting to me that you have relatives from Guadalupe. My father's sister Soledad Olague was born there. My father Guadalupe Olague was born in Jerez in 1903. The birth records from that time were lost during the Revolution. My grandfather Francisco Olague and his brother Ygnacio and their brother in law Jose Davila Garcia were conscripted into some army, I don't know which side, and were scheduled to be executed by firing squad but Jose's wife, sister of Francisco and Ygnacio, appealed to someone and they let them all leave on the train bound for Chihuahua City and the El Paso, Texas border. That was in 1913 when my father was 10 years old. None of them ever went back to Mexico.

I will do some research and see if I can find any ancestors and descendants of my Mariana Escobedo and see if she had a common ancestor among your ancestors. I'll let you know.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I am interested to know if anyone is familiar with the terrain of Zacatecas and the ranchos nearby. Mariano Esparza was from an area called Corro in Zacatecas. I am having difficulty finding Corro on the map of Zacatecas. If anyone has any information or any family line that trace to the Corro area or Noria de los angeles please write back.

Daniel Briones

Hi everyone. I am fairly new to this site and looking for anyone with Escobedo's in their family tree. I have my genealogy traced back to around 1820 but have not had much luck getting more information. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Robert Escobedo

Does anyone out there in nuestros ranchos have a family tree of Hernan's decendents down to the year 1750 only? Gracias...........

I am intrigued with this thread, as I believe that there was a migration
pattern from Michoacan to Jalisco and Zacatecas. Where the initial migration
began and ended is unsure...but it does not seem an impossibility that such
migration(s) existed. I believe Emilie has made a connection with families from
Michoacan to Jalisco. Interesting, as not too long ago, some relatives from
the "Altos" considered those from the western part of Michoacan part of the
"Altos" family....wondering if they knew something that our records and DNA
can't prove.

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What do folks know about the historical relationship between our area of
research (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes) and Guanajuato?

Yes I understand that is such a general question but really any of your
thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Just a small heads up:

Family Tree Magazine in their January 2009 Issue (the one at the newsstands now) they have article at tracing Mexican Ancestry. I haven't had the time to really sit down and read it word for word. But the little that I read, seemed pretty good.

Jonathan

Hola Danny ,how are you ? my name is Ronnie Reynoso , my people are from Los Altos ,my Grandparents are from the area of San Julian (near san Miguel el Alto). I was looking at your chart and saw Alejo Reynoso and Wife . I have Alejos connection all the way to Spain . Alejo Reynoso is part of the Reynoso Clan . The Majority (98%) of Reynosos are related(Zacatecas,Jalisco and Aguascalientes) and from the same root.
your new Cousin
Ronnie Reynoso

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My name is Nick Perez and I am looking for any Bugarin roots from Zacatecas. My grand father Miguel Bugarin was born near Atolinga Zacatecas and he owned a rancho called La Noria. He died in 1952 in Atolinga. He was aproximately 42 years old.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.

Danny I just got a chance to view your submission, what a wonderful job you did of putting together your lineage and to have so many family photos is amazing. You have obviously worked very hard to collect and document.

Thank you for sharing, makes me wish I had family from your part of Mexico since there are so many in Nuestrosranchos from there..

again, well done!

Linda in Everett

I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas
for Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed
also called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the
baptism? The records I was looking at mostly only had a single person
sponsoring them wasn't there suppose to be two sponsors? Was the sponsor
a serious commitment like it was to be a Godparent in that many times
they chose a family member to be the sponsor?

http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/Ahijados.JPG
(in this picture above is this for confirmations or baptism, did they
call the confirmed an Ahijado? I thought that meant Godchild).

maybe that film had information about baptisms as well,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.

Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos, no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.

joseph

ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

The following is not about genealogy, but about some contemporary (i.e., 20th century) Mexican culture.
The Smithsonian's National Museum of American History (NMAH), in Washington, DC, has undergone some extensive renovation and is scheduled to re-open on Nov 21. The section on Popular Culture will now be called "Thanks For the Memories", and one of the exhibits will feature "Cantinflas". Those of you of a certain age may remember a Mexican comedian named Cantinflas who appeared in many Mexican films, mostly in the '40's and '50's, and also appeared in the US film "Around the World in 80 Days". You can read more about the overall museum renovations here:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/

and you can read about the Smithsonian's Latino Center here:
http://latino.si.edu/aboutus/

Natalie Coleman

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Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:37 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>
<001c01c94742$d95045a0$58ff5142@preferreduser> <491F5C2E.1030906@nc.rr.com>

Hi,
My distant uncle, Dimas Marquez, told me that Pedro Marquez, who wrote
the book "La Historia de San Juan de los Lagos" told him that Diego
Marquez came from Sauz de los Marquez. Now, Pedro never told Dimas about
Jusepe Marquez who got married in 1614 in Santa Maria de los Lagos (now
Lagos de Moreno). So, I don't know how Pedro found that information but
he mistook Diego M. of 1617, son of Jusepe M., for Diego M. of the
1500's. Dimas told me that he had never heard of Jusepe M. Pedro statrs
his book just after the miracle of 1623. Diego M., son of Jusepe M.,
helped build the first church in San Juan after the miracle.
I need someone who can help me prove that Jusepe M. is the son of Diego
Marquez de los Olivos who entered San Juan in the 1580's.
Chuck M.

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Here is more information by that person looking for a professional
researcher. His email is below. If you think you can work with him or
know of someone that might be able to help him please contact him
directly. I and Carol Muro in the group both have roots to Sauz de Los
Marquez but not in the time frame he is talking about below. It seems if
the information is correct that Sauz de Los Marquez is a pretty old
community.

It is not mandatory but my curiosity would like to stay in the loop if
anyone finds more information.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:54:29 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>

Dear Joseph,
I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional researcher.
First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me to Ophelia
Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos Primos".
Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and have gone back
to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San Juan de los
Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez in his book
"Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines" published
in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos de Jalisco"
as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the staff at
the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano Gonzalez
Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here is what I
know:
Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San Juan de
los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los Marquez.
Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria de los
Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de la Cruz,
according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de Jaen en
Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los Olivos even
though the marriage certificate says that his parents were "difuntos". In a
dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los Olivos.
And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of Altos de
Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's, Phillip Wayne
Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that between 1560 and
1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don Torquemada y cierto
Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This happened in San
Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers imigrated to New
Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de Solis, and
Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from the book in
the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me "prove" my
line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
Sincerely,
Chuck Marquez de los Olivos

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: jmar06@peoplepc.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Responses to your question

Es muy probable que a la mayoría de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos les resulte de interés el artículo que encontrarán en la siguiente dirección: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1113/4?etoc

Un saludo afectuoso para todos.

Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez.

Dear Danny,

My parents are both from Jalostotitlan too. You and I both
descend from the couple, Ponciano Gutierrez & Ma. Nicolasa Gutierrez.
Their son, Yreneo Gtz (married to Paulina Gonzales) was my Great
Grandfather. I also have Reynoso, Gonzales, Lozano, Perez, etc., among
other surnames. I would be interested in sharing our research.

Your ? Cousin,

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero

Northern California

igomezlucero@csus.edu

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:35:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Danny Cuellar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <909227.77299.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260

I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my
mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my
genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny"
but you can find it directly at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even
further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.

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HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS
ESTOY BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE TOMAS GONZALEZ VALLEJO HIJO DE IGNACIO GONZALEZ Y FAUSTINA VALLEJO EL NACIO EN COCA SEGOVIA ESPANA EN EL ANO 1817 SI ALGIEN TIENE ALGUNA INFORMACION DE SUS DESENDIENTES SE LOS AGRADECDERE INFINITAMENTE.
UN CALUROSO SALUDO.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.

Tuesday, 11 Nov 2008

Dear Daniel--

My husband is related to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES.

I have done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There is also another family of Godinez that was living in the Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the village of Santa Elena, I believe.

I have a number of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct line but apparently married into other families. I have tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as mentioned above.

Thanks for your email and I will be looking forward to your next one.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008

Dear Canito--

I am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at the end of November. One of the names you are apparently interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I have:

Atilano GODINEZ son of
Claudio GODINEZ and Casimira MACIEL

Married 11 Nov 1858 in La Barca, Jalisco, to

Paula BRISENO daughter of

Antonio BRISENO and Andrea JIMENEZ

Children of Atilano and Paula:

1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ baptized 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico

2. Maria Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico

3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec 1869 in Ayo el Chico
mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son of Tomas BRICENO and Ysabel NAVARRO
child of Ysabel and Delfina was:
Jose Margarito BRISENO born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico
who married Leodegracia BERNA on
10 May 1909 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

4. Serapio GODINEZ born 1872?
mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ and Luis GODINEZ
child of Serapio and Maria Juana was:
Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico

5. Pragedis GODINEZ born 1875?
mar. Dolores GONZALEZ daug. of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio PEREZ
their child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in Santa Rita,
Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

These are not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from La Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather interesting to me. Besides, I am researching these lines for a fellow who is GODINEZ.

Another family name I am interested in is BARRAGAN and they seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca, Jalisco.

One of my friends, named Esther has ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also in the municipio of La Barca.

Does any of this ring a bell with you?

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito wrote:

Antonio, I don't know if it is fine to write in english to you, I think it's ok. I was checking to information about the members and the lastnames they serach and I found yours (Topete). According what I read, you don't have any information about your family. I'm glad to tell you that I have a book (that you can look for) which talks about your family back to 1700's This is a very interestin book and has a lot of information with many genealogical lines. The book talks about the history of the region you are searching back to 1500's

I highly recomend you to look for the book, if you can find it let me know so we can arrange to send you the informacion (it's a vast book 600 pages). The name is: "Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana" and was written by Jesus Amaya TOPETE. Segunda Edicion 1983 Gobierno del estado de Jalisco.

Hope you find this message useful and I feel happy to contribute with you.

Best regards.

13. Latin American Network Information Center
http://www1.lanic.utexas.edu/

Started in 1992 and affiliated with the Lozano Long Institute of Latin
American Studies at the University of Texas at Austin, the Latin American
Network Information Center () is designed to "facilitate access to
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redesigned in the spring of 2008, and currently their various directories
contain over 12,000 unique URLs for use by the general public. These links
can be browsed by subject headings or by country, and visitors can look into
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to their "Digital Initiatives" area. Here they will find digital collections
that cover documents from the New Mexican Revolution and the full-text Fidel
Castro Speech database. Visitors will also appreciate that many of the
site's resources are available in Spanish and Portuguese. [KMG]

11. Tarahumara People: National Geographic Magazine
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/tarahumara-people/gorney-text

The Tarahumara people of northern Mexico are well known for their long-
distance running ability, and they have survived a variety of challenges
over the past five hundred years, including the influx of Spanish
conquistadors into their region. Recently, National Geographic sent Cynthia
Gorney and photographer Robb Kendrick to take an investigative look into
this unique group of people. Visitors can read their account here on this
interactive feature, which contains both the published text and the
accompanying photographs. The article looks at how the Tarahumara are coping
with the increasing pressures of modernity, along with offering some
commentary on their own cultural and social milieu. Additionally, visitors
should not miss the GeoPedia article on the Tarahumara, as it features other
online resources about them and an extensive bibliography. [KMG]

Joseph

Have you put out George Ryskamp's name? He goes to Spain every summer along
with his wife to do research for clients.

Mickey

In a message dated 11/8/2008 5:44:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
rickrod.com@gmail.com writes:

Hey there Joseph,

There are several genealogists here in the region that might be able to help
out. What info or what exactly is the applicant looking for?

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:54 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist
Being Sought

An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.

Who all would you recommend?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)