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EMILIE I have a grandmother named Maria de Jesus CERVANTES born around 1790-1800 in ZAPOTILTIC, JALISCO. What part are your CERVANTES from in JALISCO? -DANIEL MENDEZ DEL CAMINO

Hello all,

My name is Tony Diaz... I live in Chicago, born and raised on the South Side
(southeast, near the Indiana border). Any South Side Mexicans here with
roots in Zacatecas?

My grandfather was born in or around Momax, about 1890 or so. He emigrated
in 1910 work in the then-booming steel industry here in the city. If anyone
is or has ancestors from this area, any information you can provide to help me
with my budding research project would be much appreciated.

>
> Hola Fernando,

Asi comenzamos todos. Al principio leia y leia pero no hallaba yo por donde
empezar. Hasta que fui al Centro de Historia Familiar y ahi me ayudo una
voluntaria. Este grupo de Nuestros Ranchos es un buen recurso ya que todos
estamos estudiando la misma area. A mi me dio gusto cuando lei que buscabas
archivos de Cuquio. Ya que lleges al 1830 yo puedo compartir contigo lo que
he investigado.

Dime, q

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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:21:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fernando Perez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20061219052159.78767.qmail@web54313.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Mar?a:
>
> Muchas gracias nuevamente por el consejo, la verdad es que entre m?s leo
> de sus correos m?s me doy cuenta de lo que desconozco, fijate que error el
> m?o el de querer conseguir el documento en el registro civil.
>
> Entonces donde tengo que ir a buscar es en la Iglesia de San Felipe.
>
> Tambi?n quiero decirte que si hay una Iglesia Mormona y ya fui y me
> asesoraron un poco y ya orden? dos microfilms el n?mero 0617550 y 0617551,
> lo malo es que creo que van a llegar ahora que voy de viaje.
>
> Lo que voy a buscar es el matrimonio de mi abuela con mi abuelo que debio
> ser por los a?os 1942 a 1947, para as? poder empezar a obtener m?s nombres y
> datos, porque practicamente estoy en cero.
>
> Si hay algo m?s en que creas que pueda ayudarte ahora que voy para
> aquellos lugares, pues piensale.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mcortez
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:02:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
>
>
> >
> > Hola Fernando,
>
>
> De antemano te doy las gracias. Te quiero comentar que esta acta
> matrimonial no se va a encontrar en el registro civil. El registro civil
> no
> se establecio en Mexico sino hasta 1859; despues de la Independencia de
> Mexico y las Leyes de Reforma. Donde si se va a encontrar esta acta
> matrimonial es en la Iglesia San Felipe.
>
> Si no encuentras los archivos que buscas cuando vayas a Cuquio yo te
> recomendaria que si existe una Iglesia Mormona con Centro de Historia
> Familiar en tu ciudad ordenes el microfilm del a?o que nacio el ancestro
> que
> buscas. Estos son unos numeros de microfilm de la Iglesia San Felipe de
> 1898 hasta 1949:
>
> Bautismos 1898-1902 VAULT INTL Film
> 615032 Bautismos 1902-1908 FHL INTL Film
> 615033 Bautismos 1908-1912 FHL INTL Film
> 615034 Bautismos 1912-1915 VAULT INTL Film
> 615035 Bautismos 1915-1920 VAULT INTL Film
> 615036 Bautismos 1921-1925 FHL INTL Film
> 615037 Bautismos 1925-1929 FHL INTL Film
> 615038 Bautismos 1928-1932 VAULT INTL Film
> 615039 Bautismos 1932-1937 VAULT INTL Film
> 615040 Bautismos 1937-1941 VAULT INTL Film
> 615041 Bautismos 1941-1945 VAULT INTL Film
> 617000 Bautismos 1945-1949 VAULT INTL Film
> 617501
> Saludos,
> Maria E. Cortez
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:07:45 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Fernando Perez
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Message-ID: <20061217210746.77044.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > Con todo gusto voy aconseguirte la copia, yo creo que puedo conseguir la
> > copia del registro civil en la presidencia municipal.
> >
> > Y si voy a ir a ambas iglesias, ademas llevo mi camara para tomarle
> fotos
> > a los documentos a ver si no me ponen trabas.
> >
> > Saludos
> > Fernando P?rez
> >
> >

My name is Fernando Pérez, my english it is not good but I will try my best.

Would you help me with my family tree?, because I don´t want to be dropped from Nuestros Ranchos.

Annex you will find my ged file.

Please let me know what else I can do in order to improve me family tree.

Also next month I´m going to travel to Cuquio, Jal. and see if I can get more information about my family.

Regards

Fernando Pérez

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From: Ernie Alderete
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org; announce@nuestrosranchos.org; general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:10:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!

For those of you about to be dropped from our roster I
would like to offer my help in organizing your family
tree, or research objectives.

I am available here in person in San Francsicso, or by
email.
I like working with historical matters.

If you have not submitted your family tree because you
don't feel it is ready, at least let me take a look at
it.

We can work together to get you past the coming
deadline.
We are stonger as a community with you with us.

Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy and healthy
holiday.

Ernie Alderete
47 th Avenue @ Balboa
San Francisco, Ca. 94121

Felicidades Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.

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Hello Maureen,
I have ancestors from San Miguel El Alto & Jalostotitlan too. I
have found that sometimes I find them in Jalostotitlan records and
vice-a-versa. You might look into Jalostotitlan for that time period.
One Jalos film even had a separate section from San Miguel. I searched
far & wide for a marriage record for my GGGG Grandparents from Jalos--I
found them in San Miguel. I would check that before looking for
Confirmation records since it seems those have so little info. San
Miguel & Jalos are pretty close to each other.
Suerte!
Irma Gomez Gtz.
Northern Calif.

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El
Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been
destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the
missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but
the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you
looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film
for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865
are contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request
historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a
cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international
money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States
and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited
at best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least,
at what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where
ever he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game.
Sooner or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:57:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sending for Records from San Miguel El
Alto
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Maureen, I found the comfirmation records from Jerez Zacatecas good only
for finding names, no age's or locations of birth. I've found 2 year
olds and 40 year olds confirmed the same day. It appears from the older
records the priest or bishop came from Zacatecas City and did everyone
who wanted confirmation every few years. In fact some records read they
were confirmed in the morning and others in the afternoon.. huge mass
comfirmations. I hope your city gives you more information than mine
did.. but then again, I'll gladly take whatever I can get!
Linda in Everett

Maureen Bejar wrote:

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El
Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been
destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the
missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but
the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you
looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film
for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865 are
contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request
historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a
cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international
money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States
and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited at
best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least, at
what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where ever
he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game. Sooner
or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

Hi there Linda ,

Yes, it is a super great feeling to see some movement and then to finally have it is really something !
I have a friend that is also working on her Banuelos side of her family , she's trying to get into the group here but is having a little difficulty with her password , Joseph is working with her to get her on board , her name is Cristy . She has info on this side of the world , this side bieng Monterrey , Mexico . I'll let her know about you and maybe the two of you can also make an connection from the two sides .

CYA for now ,
Welester

> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:56:15 -0800> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saldivar Zacatecas connection> > Welester, boy do I know that feeling when we connect after a long search.. Every time I see someone in the group share so openly and with documentation I see again why I belong to this group. Some of us take a little longer to gather info but let there be a need, and this group is there for you.. I'm still trying to gather the Banuelos/Quesada info to send back to "La Reina" slowly it's coming together....> Well done group!> Linda in Everett> > Lester Alvarado wrote:> Hi again Esther , > > I got carried away and didn't finish my mail to you he he ;-)> > So , this means that Juans' parents were Agustin and Ana and Agustins' parents were Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa , if this is so then you've just given me the connection from Zacatecas to Nuevo Leon !> > Thanks again and again a
nd again
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Marty,

What type of research have you done? Have you accessed the www.familysearch.org website or is your research mostly oral history from family members?

The key is to provide as much information as you have to the group and in that way you will receive the greatest response.

When you give names, give the complete names, given name and surname or both surnames if possible along with the dates of birth or baptism, marriage and death if available. Where they were born, state, city or town, rancho or ranchos, who did they marry and when.

The way you have stated it below is very vague, not enough information provided. What is the first name for your grandmother's father, --------Arroyo? What is the first or given name for your grandmother Hernandez? What is the time period as in what years?

If you have not used www.familysearch.org do you know how to use it? If not here is a link that is located in the files/research section of Nuestros Ranchos, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14638 This will tell you how to find your nearest family history center.

Good Luck Marty

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From: Marty
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:35:38 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Newbee

Hi everyone,
I am new here so bear with me if I ask to many questions... I joined the group about 2 weeks ago and put out 4 surnames that I am researching... and I want to thank those that answered me... I am reading the information that you are sending among yourself's and getting a general idea how the group works...

I am researching in and around Fresnillo in Zacatecas, the surnames that I am very interested in right now, are:
Arroyo----------- (my Grandmother's father)
Hernandez----- (my Grandmother's mothers maiden name)

What do I need to do or where can I go to find these surnames... or is there anyone in the group that has any surnames of Arroyo or Hernandez... I have the names of their spouses...which may led us to a family link.

Thanks

Marty

Hi everyone,
I am new here so bear with me if I ask to many questions... I joined the group about 2 weeks ago and put out 4 surnames that I am researching... and I want to thank those that answered me... I am reading the information that you are sending among yourself's and getting a general idea how the group works...

I am researching in and around Fresnillo in Zacatecas, the surnames that I am very interested in right now, are:
Arroyo----------- (my Grandmother's father)
Hernandez----- (my Grandmother's mothers maiden name)

What do I need to do or where can I go to find these surnames... or is there anyone in the group that has any surnames of Arroyo or Hernandez... I have the names of their spouses...which may led us to a family link.

Thanks

Marty

Hi Helyn ,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me yes, it's a very good feeling when you get to connect the dots and little by little you start to see the design of it all . I started this search of mine roughly 25 yrs ago and within the last several months I've found several family members . I'm currently living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here 5 yrs ago to spend one year doing research on the family line . I got a little side tracked and started a telecommunications business here and long story short two years later I still hadn't done any family searching . When I sold my shares of the biz I was heading home ( home being Marina de Rey , Ca. ) I was invited to start an organic fertilizer company and well , here I still am however I did start the search and like I said in the last several months I've done ok here with past family members but I never knew about the members that came from Zacatecas until recently .

Thanks again for your kind words ,
Welester

Does anyone know where I can get a book or a biographies on the following conquistadores who served with Hernando Cortez. They recieved Coat of Arms on the battlefield. Conquistador Juan del Camino or Diego del Camino both were relatives. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865 are contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited at best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least, at what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where ever he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game. Sooner or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

Maureen,

Linda is correct in that confirmation records only list the names of those being confirmed and their Godparents. That was the requirement per the diocese, not by the parish or local priest. In the 1600's, 1700's and the early 1800's it was per the decree of the Spanish court or La cedula real. Usually the bishop would travel to all the parishes to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation. It might take the bishop a few years to make it back to each parish again so you will find confirmation records anywhere from every 2 years to every 7-10 years. In some instances they might have to go to another church to be confirmed other than their own parish if the Bishop could not come to their town. In that case you would look in neighboring parishes for confirmation records but I wouldn't necessarily advise you to do that because the information you glean from that will be minimal.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:46:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Confirmations

Dear Linda:
Thanks for the heads up. I can only hope that San Miguel might have more than just names. What a shame. However, the marriage and baptismal records for Mexico are just wonderful. I have sent for Ohio marriage records and all it lists is the bride, groom and date. No way to tell if you have the right ones by matching up the parents names. For Mexico, we have so much more and even grandparents for baptismals as well as sometimes an aunt or uncle as a sponsor for a bonus, then their age too!

Hola joseph ya me llegaron los mensajes de todos, disculpa pero no se ingles
y no se como obtener el password o contraseña personal o no la necesito con
ustedes te puse la palabra (test ) en el primer palabra subject que
encontre es esto correcto .
gracias

Thanks Smiley,

Now that you sent this I think we have driven this route once before, many many years ago and it was very narrow and very precarious due to the steep cliffs and dropoffs and very, very scary. That was long before I got into genealogy and paid attention to names of towns and their locations relative to our hometown of Nochistlan, Zac.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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...just thought I would place this link here so one can see the map, to make the reference. Fernando has already done the check and has noted the distance. I just wanted to add that this is a very long & winding way between main "pueblos." I have driven this route & it is a very dangerous road. Cuquio: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=MX&addtoh…

Hola Fernando,

Es posible que falta informacion de la otra iglesia porque no existia antes
de 1921? Yo he estado estudiando los bautismos de Cuquio en microfilm y lo
que yo he visto que los que muchos de los que nacian en Cuquio los
bautisaban en la Iglesia San Felipe de Cuquio, Jalisco. Por lo menos eso
puedo asegurar desde el año 1830 para atras. La Iglesia de Ixtlahuacan del
Rio se fundo a partir de 1800 y muchos de mis antepasados empesaron a
bautisar a sus hijos en Ixtlahuacan, ya que los Ranchos en donde vivian
estaban en medio de Cuquio e Ixtlahuacan.

Saludos,

Maria E. Cortez

Leticia:
>
> Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya orden? unos films, pero me
> d? cuenta que que solamente tienen informaci?n de una de las iglesias del
> pueblo y falta informaci?n de la otra, por lo que la persona que est? ah?
> asesorando me aconsej? que buscara en la Di?cesis a la que pertenecia en
> este tiempo las iglesias de Cuqu?o, as? que ahora estoy investigando a ver
> como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los
> a?os de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la
> Arquidi?cesis de Guadalajara.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
>
>
> I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a
> whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of
> a close cousin of mine.
>
> However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or
> bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more
> than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of
> Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
>
>

I have found also the word "comparecio," preceding someone's name and
translate that to mean: appears (person's name), meaning they appear before
the judge. So, in a particular civil record, it would say in such and such
town (En el Ciudad de --), on such and such day (a los cinco dias del mes de
--) , before such and such judge (ante mi --), appears Jose Salazar
(comparecio Jose Salazar). Anyways, that is what I have been translating it
as, comparecer, meaning to appear and comparecio, meaning he appears, so "el
compareciente" would tranlate literally as "the appearing," or the one
appearing before the judge. They also might write "se presente" before the
person's name, which literally translates as "presented himself," meaning
"presented" and the name of the person who was presenting himself before the
judge.

I have also come across the term, "exponente," before someone's name, which
is a legal term, translating easily as "exponent," but not so easily in
meaning. The legal interpretation for many of the terms in civil records
can be found in law dictionaries. Accoring to such a dictionary, an
"exponent" is an advocate or the one who goes before the judge on someone's
behalf. In civil birth records, the exponent can be the father of the
child, but not always, and it can be a friend or close relative of the
family, but not always. Later in the record, it may state the father of the
child is the exponent, but sometimes it doesn't and merely says who the
mother is, particularly if the child is an "hijo/a natural, though I have
also found records that give both parents names for an hijo/a natural.

A lesson learned: Not only have I found it wise to hold off drawing any
conclusions about a particular ancestor from these records, but I have found
it helpful to read other records on the same microfilm, in order to see if
the names in my record of interest are also in other records involving
people completely unrelated to my ancestor. When I do see names given
repeatedly in other records I then deduce that they may have worked in the
courthouse and were called upon to act as witnesses, etc. for a number of
cases. Gathering as much information as possible on any given ancestor
without making any assumptions about them, simply stating what I have found,
is what I have very painfully learned to be the wisest course of action in
my research, especially if it involves sharing what I have found with other
family members who are quick to draw premature conclusions and do not let
them go, despite repeated, frustrating attempts at correcting them!

Corrine Ardoin

Hi everyone, I have finally submitted some reports,
they're not much, but it's a start=) I have mostly
obtained the info from census, marriage, baptism, etc.
films from the family history library. I may be going
to Mascota during 2007, so if anyone has any tips on
what would be most useful (I'm guessing that going to
the church would be a good place to start??), I would
really appreciate it! This is the link to my reports
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15362
Thanks for everyone's help!

Lavaniya Jimenez

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...Howdy Everyone...just wanted to let ya know that I finally (with some help, of course) have placed my Jalisco Connections folder here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15363

...here is a link to my photos album, which I will be adding to today. We have a couple of Posadas to attend, so I will post some of those too. I will be adding some photos of our reccent outing for the perfect "Flor de Pena" for all of our "navedenas."

Just wondering how many of ya'll have this custom still being here in the United States? Are there any other customs that you have from your past, that you keep going within your family for this Christmas season? Like all the "mujeres" getting together to make the homemade tamales and of course, all the "placticas" don't hurt either.

During this time, I will be adding many more names of all the new family members born thru out the year. My family doesn't even realize I take very good genealogical notes during such occasions. Just curious about others "traditions" is all. Hope to add lots more research after I get the rolls that I have on order at our local LDS center.

Photo Album
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15364

...Until the next time, I wish you all a very blessed Christmas and New Year. May we all help each other in breaking down some of those many "brickwalls" in order to find those all elusive ancestors in the year to come...

Smiley :-))
Pink, OK

www.OurFamiliesBranches.com

>
> Hello Welester,

The book I have is titled "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia". Perhaps your
friend was referring to another book by Garmendia Leal. I believe he has
authored others. I checked my book and I see some Alvarados on page 30, but
they are from Guadalajara. I purchased my book through Borderlands
bookstore and I believe they still have some of Mr. Garmendia Leal's
books available.

Maria

> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lester
> > Alvarado
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:07 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Garmendia Leal
> >
> > Hi Maria ,
> >
> > That's the second time in two days that I heard the name Garmendia Leal
> , I
> > was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of
> > Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo
> Leon
> > sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there
> > mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several
> Alvarado's
> > dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo
> Leon .
> > If you have the time could you check this out for me please .
> > Where did you get the copy ?
> >
> > Thanks ,
> > Welester
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Soy Celestino A Villalobos, un miembro nuevo de "Nuestros Ranchos" Tal vez la desicion de Joseph Puente, de cortar la membresia de todos aquellos que no han presentado alugunas lineas de sus genealogias en "Nuestros Ranchos", es muy drastica, tal vez sea la persona menos indicada para hablar sobre el tema, lo que si se es que todo tiene una razon de ser. Como nuevo miembro he revisado casi toda la lista de miembros con sus archivos genealogicos y en verdad me han impresionado, como algunos de sus miembros han echo un gigantescos esfuerzos al trazar sus lineas de sus antepasados, y uno de ellos naturalmente es el mismo Joseph Puentes, y otros que sobresalen en sus investigaciones tambien, lo que representa largas horas de dedicacion durante dias, semans,meses y años un esfuerzo constante y conciente. Movidos por sentimientos y fuerzas mas haya de nuestra comprension. La mayoria de la informacion en los archivos de "Nuestros Ranchos" en lo personal a mi no me ayuda en nada,
aparte que mis contribuciones tampoco son de gran ayuda para el grupo. Tengo mas o menos unos dos años trabajando en las linea de los Villalobos, y ya he identificado a 12 de mis antepasados atras en el tiempo, quisiera poder encontras mas informacion, pero yo se que tal vez no la encuentre en ninguna parte, si yo mismo no empiezo esa busqueda, puedo darme cuenta que tal parece que soy el unico en la busqueda, y no voy a esperar a que alguien mas haga este trabajo, porque tal vez sere el unico con los recursos y las habilidades para hacerle, y quedarme sentado me haria sentir muy culpable. Puedo notar que una gran mayoria de miembros de nuestros ranchos, todabia no saben lo que se toma, para habanzar en sus lineas, ya sea por el mismo trabajo que absorve la mayoria de nuestro tiempo, o porque no somos muy dedicados en este trabajo de historia familiar, hacer un esfuerzo pobre nunca nos va a llevar al exito, o tal vez tengas que enfrentarte con la esposa, y te diga o tus
muertos o yo! y que todabia tengas el valor de decirles, bueno pues me quedo con mis muertos, esta es la clase de determinacion que debemos tener ante este trabajo tan gratificante. Por otro lado, tambien puedo notar que algunos cinco miembros o mas, estan reteniendo informacion, que seria de mucha ayuda especialmete para mi, puedo notar que han hecho avances dentro de sus lineas, y las estan cuidando celosamente, y no es que este pensando en mi, sino en mis antepasados, es cierto que hay que dar para recivir, pero si doy y no recivo, no parece que tenga mucho sentido, es posible que dentro de nuestros ranchos existe uno que otro miembro asi,y tal vez con algo de razon, pero nunca sabran del amor de un corazon agradecido, cuando reciben de los benefiicios de la informacion de aquella persona. Es muy posible que algunos de los miembros del gurpo, se sietan desanimados porque sientan que no progresan en sus investigaciones, es por eso que no comparten sus genealogias, pero
dejeme decirles una cosa, que dentro de no muchos años con la tecologia que tenemos tan avanzada, nuestros esfuerzos dentro del grupo sera recompenzada, el grupo sera mas fuerte, sus miembros estaran mas especializados en historia familiar especialmente en el area de Jalisco, Aguscalientes,y Zacatecas. Dentro de no mucho tiempo gozaremos de ricas fuentes de informacion como las hay en los Estados de Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas y Texas, de donde los antepasados por el lado de mi abuela madre de mi padre, vivieron de donde he hecho una investigacion que me llena de mucha gratitud especialmente a todos aquellos que se especializan en genealogia, y han contribuido grandemente en este trabajo, como el Sr. Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza por nombrar a uno. Esta en nosotros, que los que vienen atras de nosotros sigan nuestros pasos, en una manera segura, y con un espiritu de trabajo y dedicacion como una gran familia, porque nos daremos cuenta que en realidad somos una gran
familia, hasta la vista primos. Demostremos a Joseph Puentes, que nuestro interes por formar parte de nuestros ranchos, no es para tomar ventaja del grupo, ''sino todo lo contrario''.

Howdy everyone !

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> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: ed@serros.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:08:47 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Discounts for DNA tests at> > > Gary Felix, the administrator of the Family Tree DNA Mexico Project, wrote to me the email below regarding DNA testing in our group. The Family Tree DNA Mexico Project is the major DNA project involving people that have roots in Mexico. See http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm. This group should be considered a complement to the individual surname projects. I encourage all Hispanics to participate since participation in a group does not preclude participation in another.> > These DNA studies are a part of the ongoing studies to determine where all of our ancestors have traveled from. It has been a fascination journey, https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html&gt; > GARY'S POST:> > Ed,> > please post that I can be contacted for discounts to the Mexico DNA Project, along with my email.> > >
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you,> > Gary> > garyf@pacbell.net> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Greatings . In my search wile reading my grandfathers birth certificate i came acros the word -ELCOMPARECIENDE,this was in front of my great grandmothers name i assumed this was a name so after weeks of looking came up with nothing. Elcompareciendo is the person who is giving the information or presenting the child to the registro civil. maybe you all knew this but if not now you do. This information came from my cousin in Guadalajara.

Howdy Joseph,

I have been working with several members of the Mormon church and one of them is in charge of a Family Search Center , yesterday he lent me a copy of births in the town or pueblo of Juchipila , Zacatecas the years are 1871 to 1884 . The film and batch #'s are 1156151 (f) and 64671-2 (b)

I'm gonna start to read them this coming week so , if there is anyone with family there I'll be more than happy to check out the names for you .

Welester

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For the genealogy of the Vicente Zaldivar that came to COahuila/Nuevo Leon see my gedcom on this site.
This Vicente Zaldivar was the son of Juan Guerra Reza and Magdalena Zaldivar Mendoza and therefore was the nephew of Vicente Zaldivar Mendoza who participated in the New MExico expedition of his uncle Onate.Vicente Zaldivar married Maria Sosa, daughter of Alonso Farias and Ana Sosa ( daughter of Betriz Navarro Rodriguez and Alonso ALbernoz de Sosa - New Mexico expedition)). Ana Zaldivar daughter of
Vicente Zaldivar married Abrosio de Cepeda Fuente and lived in COahuila probably the Saltillo arrea.
Ana Zaldivar and Ambrosio Cepeda Fuente had at least 7 children that I know of.
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> Hello Ernie ,
>
> Maybe you could help me here , I am trying to connect my great great grandmother
> her name is Quirina Saldivar Gomez to Vicente de Zaldivar in Zacatecas .
> Quirina's father was Juan Jose Saldivar . I believe that his father was from
> Saltillo , Coahuila from there I don't have anymore info . I have read that one
> of Vicente's son's came to Saltillo , I just don't know when .
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> In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey in the protocolos there appears the name
> of Saldivar here is what it says :Fondo: Ciudad Metropolitana de Monterrey
> (segunda