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Message for Helyn...Anna is aware of your request. We
will respond asap.

Message for Bill Figueroa,
In respond to your request please reference announce
Digest, Vol 7, Issue 13, dated Sat. 26 Aug 2006. Our
adventure begins from Guadalajara, and will follow the
route proposed by Alicia Carrillo in August 2006. I
will gather data, photos, books, hotels rates,
distance, fares-bus and cabs, best routes, etc....
Genealogical references, Municipal records. I will
indeed look into your request.

Jose Munoz

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On Jan 1, 2007, at 6:25 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

>
> Tony, what haplogroup are you? My Uncle Louis Gutierrez is
> Haplogroup N and the thinking is that he's Native American since a
> sub-group Haplogroup N3 found in Seville Spain is thought to be
> from Moctezuma's retinue who were there, otherwise Haplogroup N is
> found in Siberia, Finland and Russia today.. I've noticed
> Indeginous males are usually HaplogroupQ or Q1.. and Indeginous
> woman are Haplogroups A, B, C or D.. My mtdna came back Haplogroup
> A. which would be Nahua in Mexico, Lakota, Zuni, Navajo and others
> in the states and Haida in Canada and Eleut in Alaska, first group
> A traceable to Siberia. Have you submitted your results to Gary
> Felix's dna site?
> Linda in Everett
>

My father was born in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco and is
Haplogroup J2b1b (old J2e2). His father and grandfather were born in
the Guadalajara area. Are there any other members with this
Haplogroup? I'm hoping someone else from this area tests and I can
find some relatives.

Linda Romero

Dear Group--

I have a file in the members genealogy area and this
URL is enclosed:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15338

My husband and I just returned from a trip to the
municipios of Atotonilco el Alto and Ayotlan, Jalisco.
Besides visiting with relatives, mostly on the Garcia
side and asking for their information, we stopped in
at the small town of Margaritas. We wanted to get the
birth and death records of my husband's eldest sister
born in September 1949.

The clerk took the information I had written down,
used her computer to find the exact books, made a copy
of the information from the books, cut the two copies
to be glued onto the official acts, made new copies to
be given to us and charged 45 pesos for each one. The
process was quick and reliable. We wanted to give her
a small monetary gift but she refused. Next time we
will take along something sweet to eat, to express our
thankfulness.

Hope this takes care of my requirement to be a part of
the group before the cutoff date of 31 Jan 2007. I
will be sending in additional information for the
files, as I learn more about the process.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez AKA Patricia Burton

A few days before Christmas my aunt (age 80 yrs - but she thinks I don't know how old she is) had a mild stroke. Fortunately the rescue units arrived promptly and she received immediate care. She is currently in a rehabilitation center receiving various therapies. My aunt is the last of her generation - she is my late father's youngest sister. Unlike my father, she did not have a deep interest or curiosity regarding family history, though she has shared some of her memories with me when I have made inquiries - however, I don't always remember to phrase questions "properly", that is, to ilicit an informative response.
Now - it just occured to me that when she dies (which I don't expect to happen soon), I WILL BECOME the family elder, as I am the eldest of the family of my generation - kind of a scary thought.
SO - are any of YOU the FAMILY ELDER? How do you feel about that role? I guess I better get cracking on my research.

Just my 2 centavos.

Natalie

----- Original Message ----
From: jose munoz
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 1:43:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] TRIP

Anna and I are going on the Trip within the week.

Our trip will include Tlaltenango. Tepechitlan,
Teolcalteche, Juarez, Rincon de Romos. Jalisco, Los
Altos, Teul, Florencio, Zacatecas, and Aquas
Calientes, and other pueblos.. I plan to follow the
route initially submitted in July or August of last
year.
Jose,

Needles to say I am jealous and at the same time grateful that you are doing this for the Ranchos Group. I still don't know if I will be able to take this trip in summer of 2007 but I appreciate that you are doing the legwork in preparation for those who might wish to take this trip as a group this summer.

Hopefully you can scout the hotels in the different cities and we look forward to any other details and tips you can pick up in anticipation of this summer's tour.

For those who don't know about this trip, we had imagined early in 2006 a Nuestros Ranchos Group dream trip in the summer of 2007 to our target research areas of Mexico and at the time it seemed so far away. Well now it's almost here and things have changed drastically in my life to the point that I don't know if I will be able to take this trip, but Jose Muñoz and his wife Anna have agreed to help with some of the mapping and logistics of this trip and are soon to be on their way to scout the roads, hotels and eateries and anything else they can glean from their road trip. Jose and Anna, have a safe trip and we look forward to hearing from you upon your return.

Good luck and happy tripping,
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

The last ten days of December were crazy-busy around here - what with trying to get ready for our Christmas celebrations, shopping, going to grandkids programs, baking, shopping, getting ready for houseguests (daughter, SIL, 2 beautiful grand-daughters, ages 3-1/2 and 1-1/2), did I mention shopping... anyway - I wasn't taking time to read the Ranchos messages. So today - I finally took time (about the last 3-1/2 hours) to read all of the messages - what wonderful and inspiring messages. As I read some of the messages pertaining to travel, I was wondering how the plans for the RANCHOS RESEARCH trip were progressing - is that still a go? I know I can't participate this year - too many commitments for 2007 already - but I sure would like to hear about what's in the works.
As for me - I just called the local FHC, and films I ordered in mid-Nov are finally in - so I hope to view them soon. FYI - I have the following films: # 1164728 (Reg. Parroquiales, la Purisima, Valparaiso, Zac., Bautismos, 1870-1876); and #1164741 (same location, Informacion Matrimonial, 1878-1892). It has been quite a while since I have looked at films - and I wonder if you have some tips to share about the BEST way to RECORD INFORMATION from the films, and the BEST way to COMPILE the information. Please share your RESEARCH ideas/methods that work - I am always looking for ways to work smarter (not harder). Y'all take care - may you experience many blessings this year.

Natalie Castro Coleman
Researching: CASTRO, DUENAS, DURAN, GARCIA, LOPEZ, MARTINEZ in El Astillero, San Miguel, and San Mateo (Valparaiso Dist., Zacatecas); and Sain Alto and Sombrerete, Zacatecas

The online source for his genealogy going possibly back 500B.C. is on www.onegreatfamily.com, If you have subscribed for one great family (abt $15 a month) I encourage you to look for Diego. -Daniel A. Mendez del Camino

...Howdy all you LERMA researchers from Zacatecas. I just wanted you to know that I came across an article about a Solomon LERMA, in our archives in Oklahoma City, OK. I thought about all of ya, so I am including the article here. Heck, I wished at this time I could add this fine young man to my ancestors. Hopefully (I know it is a HUGE chance) one of you might have him in your database. BIF...I have added several obits to the rootsweb.com, Jalisco, Aquascalientes & Zacatecas boards. I wasn't for sure whether I should add them here or not. Okay, back to Solomon:

Oklahoma City, OK, newspaper archives dated:
12-23-1923
p.1

Mexican Youth Proves He Could Stand Great Test
Headboard Erected by Col. Sam Robertson Tells
Story of Marvelous Bravery of Fifteen-Year-Old Boy

EDITOR'S NOTE-The following story will interest Oklahoma City
overseas men who knew Colonel Sam Robertson. This little document
is one of these poignant human stories which grip the heart. It is
from The Brownsville, Texas, Herald, and was passed on by
General Roy Hoffman.

In the American National cemetery at Romange, France, lies the
body of Solomon Lerma, a Mexican boy, a native of the state of
Zacatecas, a derelict from the Villista army, which attacked Matamoros,
a hero who risked his life to save that of an American friend, and
who died in February, 1918, in a hospital in France after being
twice wounded and gassed. He was 15 years of age at the time of
his death.
Major M.T. Todd, now medical officer at Fort Brown, was assigned
to receive the bodies of American soldiers as they were being con-
centrated for burial in the American National cemeteries in France.
All marks of identification were brought to him by the details which
were removing the bodies from their temporary burial places on the
battle line, and one day his attention was called to a headboard
which was brought in with the body of a mere boy. The inscription
on the headboard read as follows:

HERE LIES
SOLOMON LERMA
MASCOT E Co. 28th U.S. INF.
15 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME
DEATH ABOUT FEB., 1918. A
NATIVE OF THE STATE OF
ZACATECAS, MEXICO, BUT A
CITIZEN OF SAN BENITO,
TEXAS. HE WAS ADOPTED BY
E CO. 26TH U.S. INF.
AFTER THE FIGHT NEAR
RANCH ANAQUITAS, TEXAS,
SEPT. 1915.
THIS SLAB ERECTED BY HIS
OLD COMPADRE LT. COL. SAM
ROBERTSON, C OF E US ARMY
WHO OWES HIS LIFE TO THIS
BOY. NO GAMER PERSON
EVER LIVED.
ADIOS MUCHACHO MIO.

This inscription was so peculiar that Major Todd took a photograph
of the headboard, and intended when he returned to the United States
to find Colonel Robertson and present the photograph to him. He did
not have the time to do this immediately upon his return, and after
being assigned to Fort Brown learned that Colonel Robertson was
now sheriff of Cameron county.

As per Bill Figueroa's thought I did a key word search at www.familysearch.org and came up with this list of Padrones for our area of research:

Title search by keyword
padrones Mexico

Informaciones matrimoniales y negocios diversos, 1647-1808 Iglesia Católica. Arquidiócesis de Morelia (México)

Padrones, 1741-1831 Iglesia Católica. Arquidiócesis de Morelia (México)

Padrones, 1639-1875 Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México)

Registros parroquiales, 1632-1979 Iglesia Católica. San Diego (Huejuquilla el Alto, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1660-1960 Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1624-1980 Iglesia Católica. San Gregorio Magno (Mazapil, Zacatecas)

Padrones, 1754-1887 Iglesia Católica (Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas)

Registros parroquiales, 1778-1959 Iglesia Católica. San Miguel (Yahualica, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1754-1866 Iglesia Católica. San Sebastián Mártir (San Sebastián del Oeste, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1841 Iglesia Católica (Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas)

Registros parroquiales, 1726-1979 Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora del Rosario (Totatiche, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1814-1977 Iglesia Católica. Santiago Apóstol (Moyahua, Zacatecas)

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784 Iglesia Católica. Arzobispado de Guadalajara (México)

Registros parroquiales, 1627-1959 Iglesia Católica (Nochistlán, Zacatecas)

Registros parroquiales, 1705-1948 Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora de Belén (Asientos, Aguascalientes)

Registros parroquiales, 1666-1957 Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1651-1959 Iglesia Católica. Santuario de Guadalupe (Sayula, Jalisco)

Censo, 1856-1885 Magdalena (Jalisco). Registro Civil

Registros parroquiales, 1859-1969 Iglesia Católica. Santiago (Chimaltitán, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1739-1978 Iglesia Católica. San José (Bolaños, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1778-1951 Iglesia Católica. San Miguel (Yahualica, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1764-1798 Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora de la Asunción (Jalostotitlán, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1807-1922 Iglesia Católica (Pánuco, Zacatecas)

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1865-1878,1920 Iglesia Católica. San José de Analco (Guadalajara, Jalisco)

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1931 Iglesia Católica. Resurrección (Degollado, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1881 Iglesia Católica. San Miguel (Cocula, Jalisco)

Registros parroquiales, 1814-1955 Iglesia Católica. La Santísima Trinidad (Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco)

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1803 Iglesia Católica. San Sebastián (Techaluta, Jalisco)

Documentos eclesiásticos, 1810,1874 Iglesia Católica. Santa María de los Lagos (Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco)

Padrones, 1836 Iglesia Católica (Talpa de Allende, Jalisco)

Has anyone had a look at this film? I ordered it a couple of years ago and found it confusing. Then again I had just started my research and most things were confusing. If anyone has ordered it and found it of value I would appreciate your comments on this film.

thanks,

joseph

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Title
Indice de padrones de México

Authors
Archivo General de la Nación (Distrito Federal, México) (Added Author)

Notes
Fotocopia del manuscrito en el Archivo General de la Nación de México.
Index for v. 1-108 of the Mexican census records at the Archivo General de la Nación in Mexico.
Indice de los v. 1-108 del Ramo de Padrones en el Archivo General de la Nación en México. El índice de padrones está dividido en distritos. Los distritos que están juntos no siempre se encuentran en el mismo estado. Se listan todos los lugares bajo el distrito. La información lo dirige al volumen y la página en que se encuentra el lugar que usted busca. El índice no indica el año del padrón. El registro de los vols. 1-108 del Ramo de Padrones que cubren los años 1752-1865, están microfilmados y catalogados en un registro separado bajo el título Padrones de México.

Subjects
México - Census - Indexes

Copies
Call Number - Location
972 X22m - FHL INTL Large Q Book - Available

Format
Manuscript (With Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
[S.l. : s.n.], [197-?]

Physical
119 (i.e. 228) hojas

Subject Class
972 X22

References
(Indexes) Padrones de México

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
También en microfilme: Salt Lake City : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1978. en 1 carrete de microfilme ; 35 mm. - FHL INTL Film [ 1149544 Item 4 ]
Otro microfilme: Salt Lake City : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1990. en 1 carrete de microfilme ; 35 mm. - FHL INTL Film [ 1224506 Item 1 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

NOTAS SUELTAS DE LA CRONOLOGÍA FAMILIAR DE LOS
ROMO DE VIVAR-RANGEL EN LA NUEVA ESPAÑA

Felipe Reyes Romo

1583 / Se otorga en la Cd. De México un poder de Juan Rangel a Marcos de
Biesma.

1584 / Merced de la Real Audiencia, año de 1584, a Juan Rangel Peguero de
un sitio de estancia para ganado menor en términos de Pachuca, cerca de los
de Tilquautla, con la posesión que tomó, y la información que dio doña
Francisca Velázquez de Salazar de como le pertenecía a ella y a sus hijos.

1584 / Merced de tierras en favor de Juan Rangel Pegueros compartiendo la
con Rodrigo Yáñez

1589 / Diego Romo de Vivar nace el 12 de marzo en Rielves Toledo, España.
Muere en Santa Maria del Río Florido, Chihuahua, México. Fue bautizado en la
parroquia de Rielves, España el 12 de marzo
1589; sus padres fueron Diego Romo y Catalina Pérez. Su esposa fue María
Rangel Peguero. Nota de Connie Domíngez “1608 / I've never seen an exact DOB
on Diego Romo de Vivar. All I've seen is a birth year, 1608. But your date
is probably more accurate. Maybe him, or his father”.

1601 / En 1601 don Pedro Matheos de Ortega recibió algunas mercedes por las
haciendas de Las Chinampas, Las Peñuelas y Villa de San Felipe, Las
Peñuelas y El Pabellón. La otra, la de los Rincón procedentes de la capital
del reino, aparece cuando don Francisco Rincón se casó con doña María de
Ortega, hija de don Pedro Matheos. De esta unión nacieron dos varones: Pedro
y Agustín. Uno se consagró a la Iglesia: entró en 1620 al convento de los
mercedarios como novicio, aunque después abandonó el claustro y entró al
clero secular. El otro, Agustín, se consagró al gobierno: fue alcalde mayor
de Aguascalientes y después corregidor de Zacatecas, y aunque se casó con
doña Leonor Caballero, no dejó descendencia. Aquí se habría acabado la
familia Rincón de Ortega, si no hubiera sido porque tenían un medio hermano
de padre, don Juan Rincón de Vivar, a quien tocó la herencia de sus dos
medios hermanos. El abuelo don Pedro Matheos de Ortega empezó a acumular
mercedes de tierras: el 20 de febrero de 1601 recibió una merced en las
Peñuelas, tres días después recibió otra en la Cañada de las Chinampas .
Pasados cuatro años obtuvo permiso de regar sus labores de trigo, construir
un molino de pan y fabricar un ingenio de beneficio de sacar plata en el
puesto de Chinampas.

1612 / Nace en España Maria Rangel esposa de Diego Romo de Vivar.

1624? / Matrimonio de los Romo-Rangel y migración a la Nueva España al menos
por tres razones: i) el paso del Mayorazgo de los Rincón Gallardo a manos
de Juan Rincón de Vivar “primo de Diego Romo de Vivar”; ii) las mercedes de
tierras concedidas en la Nueva España a Juan Rangel Peguero y: iii) la
importancia de los descubrimientos mineros en San José del Parral así como
el nombramiento de Alferez Real concedido a Juan Rangel de Viezma (¿tío o
padre de los Rangel-Peguero?)en la Nueva Vizcaya.

1625/ Nace Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel en la villa de San Felipe. Batch
No.: J608891, Source call , 0644362. Se trata del fundador de Alamos,
Sonora y las ramas familiares de los Romo de Vivar en el Occidente de
México. De acuerdo con este dato son nueve, y no ocho, los hijos de la
familia seminal de los Romo de Vivar- Rangel.

1626 / 13 March 1626. Beatriz - hija de Juan Cipatl (chiputu?, cipata?) y
de Francisca. Mexicanos criados de Diego Romo de Vivar en la Hacienda de
las Chinampas), fueron padrinos Diego Romo y Ma. Rangel su mujer.

1626- 1656 / Diego Romo de Vivar y María Rangel se trasladan al Real de San
José del Parral. Mariano Gonzalez Leal dice que Diego Romo de Vivar obtuvo
el grado de Capitán y que vivió en el Norte de México y fue en su momento
"Teniente de Gobernador de San José de Parral". Después se desplazó hacia
la parte central de México para ser "administrador de haciendas del Ovejas
en el Bajío", según el Estudio Historico-Genealógico sobre la Familia
Guerra, (Guanajuato: n.p., 1982), p. 121-122. Por estos años casi no hay
actividad de esta familia en Aguascalientes. Sin embargo, parece que Maria
Rangel alternó sus estancias entre la Villa de Aguascalientes y Parral
criando su familia. De hecho, de acuerdo con información de Connie
Domínguez, “la mayoría de sus hijos (Maria, Diego, Juan, Isabel, Antonia,
Pedro, Geronimo y Francisco) se casaron fuera de Aguascalientes, pero luego
regresaron con sus familias. Los únicos matrimonios que se registran son
los dobles casamientos tanto de Juan como de Pedro in 1658, y el de
Francisco en 1668”.

1629 / Como consecuencia de la bonanza resultante del descubrimiento de las
minas de San José del Parral, se incrementó la presencia de españoles, Se
dice que el primero en hacer la minería fue Juan Rangel de Biesma, quien
encontró plata en el cerro de la prieta: se afirma que nació en la ciudad
llamada Parral, en España por lo cual él, en honor a su padre, le dio el
mismo nombre que su ciudad natal.

Peter Gerhard described early Aguascalientes history in "The North Frontier of New Spain." On Oct. 22, 1575, La Villa de Aguascalientes was created by decree and affiliated with nearby Santa Maria de los Lagos (now Lagos de Moreno). The first notice of a parish at Asunción was circa 1605, but chaplains served various presidios before that. Bernal Sánchez spoke of a priest at the Villa in 1601, but as we all know, the marriages and baptisms we now have access to only begin in 1616.

It is believed that the Chichimecs at contact numbered about 8,500 (this would have been Guachichiles, Zacatecas and probably some Caxcanes). Gerhard writes that "the period 1561-1589 was one of retrenchment when some haciendas were abandoned." Aguascalientes was founded in 1575 but was reduced to only two vecinos and 16 soldados in 1582-1585. After that, the war subsided and hostilities withdrew north, with the last Indian attack taking place in 1593.

Gerhard notes that "Peace brought a tide of Spanish settlers beginning in the 1590s, mostly cattlemen and farmers, together with Indian (mainly Náhuatl-speaking) and Negro retainers." The Villa became "inhabited by powerful hacendados who monopolized land and water."

Gaspar de la Fuente claims that in 1610, he found 24 or 25 Spanish vecinos, about 50 families of mestizos, over 100 mulatos, 20 Negro slaves and only 10 Indians in La Villa. He explained that "most of these people worked on neighboring haciendas."

Gerhard writes, "By 1681 various haciendas [of Aguascalientes] had chapels and resident clergy." The 1760 Parish census showed 640 Indians and 5,386 non-Indian families for a total of 20,411 "personas de comunión y confesión" - not including Ciénega de Mata. Including infants this may have represented 34,000 persons.

The 1770 census gave a total of 28,074.

The 1790 census gives: 25,715 people, made up of:

1. 10,004 Spaniards
2. 8,617 Indians
3. 3,357 Mulattoes
4. 3,737 Others

Source: Peter Gerhard, "The North Frontier of New Spain" (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

John Schmal

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Los expedientes de la Familia Luevano (Luebana)

In the Village of Aguascalientes on the 12th of January 1777, having proceeded with the marriage banns as mandated by the Holy Council of Trent, in the Parish Church, on three holy days, in solemn mass, I read the banns on the 22nd, 25th, and 26th of December of the preceding year, and having found no impediments to marriage resulting, I, Father José Joachim Medina, with license from Father Antonio Flores...I married... Alejo de Luebana, Spanish, originally from and a resident of this jurisdiction in the Rancho Grande, legitimate son of José Luebana and Tomasa Carrion (both deceased),
with María de Jesus Gil, Spanish, originally from Jalostotitlan, and for a short time, a resident of this jurisdiction in the Hacienda de Juan del Mesquital, legitimate daughter of Francisco Gil and Petra Cassilas...

In the Village of Aguascalientes, on the 9th of the month of September in 1812, having proceeded with the marriage preparations, as is right, and having read the marriage banns as required by the Holy Council of Trent in the Parish Church on three Holy days in solemn Mass, on the 23rd, 24th, and 28th of the past month of August, and having found no impediments to marriage resulting, I, Father Juan Muños, with license from Father José Francisco... married Estanislao Luebana, Spanish (espl), originally from and a resident of Benadero, legitimate son of Alejo Luevana and Jesus Gil (deceased)... with María Salome Gomes, Spanish, originally from and a resident of this jurisdiction in Cienega de Cardona, legitimate daughter of Cipriano Gomes and María Manuela Macias....

In the Parish Church of the Congregation of Trinity, on the 10th day of the month of March of the year 1816, I, the proper priest of this place, Father José Bernardino de Palos, baptized solemnly and poured Holy Oil and Sacred Chrism on a little Spanish boy, born two days earlier at Cienega de Cardona, whom I gave the name José Pavlo, legitimate son of Estanislao Luevano and of Salome Gomes. Paternal grandparents: Alejo Luevano and María de Jesus Gil. Maternal grandparents: Cipriano Gomes and Manuela Masias....

In this Parish church of Pasa de Sotos on May 3, 1844, I, Father Antonio Cabral, priest, married and blessed within the church Pablo Luebana, celibate, 24 years of age, originally from and a resident of... and legitimate son of Estanislao Luebano and Salome Gomes with Manuela Serna, celibate, 18 years of age, originally from and a resident of the same Rancho, legitimate daughter of Leocadia Serna and Ramona Diaz (deceased)...

In the Parish of La Santísima Trinidad de Sotos, on the 27th of May of 1874, I, Father Pablo Marin, proper priest of this place, married and blessed in the face of the church Tiburcio Luevana, single, 25 years of age, originally from and a resident of this place, legitimate son of Pablo Luevano, deceased, and of Manuela Serna, who is living....
with Manuela Martinez, celibate, 16 years of age, originally from and a resident of this place, legitimate daughter of Timoteo Martinez, who is living, and of Fermina Rubalcaba, deceased, and having read the marriage banns on three holy days in solemn Mass on the 19th, 26th of April and the 3rd of May after which no impediments to marriage resulted and instruction in Christian doctrine was received...

In the Parish of Paso de Sotos on the 29th of September of 1885, I, Father Estevan Agredano... baptized solemnly and poured Holy Oil and Sacred Chrism on Juana, who was born on the 27th day at seven in the morning in this place, legitimate daughter of Tiburcio Luevano and Manuela Martinez. Paternal grandparents: Pablo Luevano and Manuela Serna. Maternal grandparents: Timoteo Martinez and Fermina Rubalcaba. Godparents: Paulin Diaz and Epifania Aguallo, whom I advised of their spiritual and parental obligation. In witness thereof, I signed it.

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Nuestros Ranchos members

URL sites for history, fotos of city/pueblos and areas
of interest Dream Trip.

YAHUALICA 105 kms (66miles) from Guadalara, Jalisco,
Mexico

http://www.yahualica.net/paisanor.html

Jeff Legato's home page /Yahualica, Jalisco, Mexico

http://www.legatofamily.com/yahualica.htm
click Albums:

Historia de Yahualica;

http://www.yahualica.org/historia/yahualicah.php

©Juan Antonio Rubalcava 2002-2006
Septiembre 22, 2006

MEXTICACAN:
Mexticacan (mesh-tee-kah-KAHN), town (1990 pop.
3,152), Jalisco, central Mexico, 13 mi/21 km SW of
Teocaltiche; 21°13'N 102°43'W.
Grain, vegetables; livestock.

NOCHISTLAN:
http://www.las-animas.com/Fotosdenochistlan.htm
digital fotos tour of Nochistlan.

TEOCALTICHE:
Teocaltiche (te-o-kahl-TEE-che), city (1990 pop.
19,627) and township, Jalisco, central Mexico, on
interior plateau, near Zacatecas border, 40 mi/64 km
SW of Aguascalientes on Mexico Highway 25; 21°26'N
102°34'W. Elev. 5,653 ft/1,723 m. Agr. center (grain,
alfalfa, beans, chickpeas, fruit; livestock).

http://www.mapas-de-mexico.com/jalisco-state-mexico/jalisco-state-mexic…
Map of cities of Teocaltiche, Yahualica de Gonzáles
Gallo, and others

AGUASCALIENTES
Brief history of Aquascalientes: major cities,
pueblos and History of Zacatecas.

http://www.mexicotravel.in/mexicocities/aguascalientes/

Places to see in Aguascalientes.

Aguascalientes City, capital city of the State of
Aguascalientes, is located 537 km northwest of Mexico
City on Federal Highway 57 / 45 in Mexico. The
Colonial City of Aguascalientes is situated in the
central part of Mexico and is rich in colonial period
architecture. Some of the most renowned structures
are:

The Government Palace with its
Neoclassical facade of redtezontle stone
The Municipal Palace built out of pink quarry
El Jardin de los Palacios (Palace Gardens), where you
can admire a fountain built to honor the artist Jesus
F. Contreras. Contreras is the creator of two relief
sculptures decorating the square. These sculptures
represent: "Camaxtli", the God of Hunting and
"Centeotl", the God of Abundance
La Plaza Patria, where you can view an iron tower
built in 1808
Legislative Palace

Other interesting sites well worth visiting are:
http://www.tourbymexico.com/aguascal/aguascal/aguas.htm

Rincon de Romos.
1. Rincon de Romos is located 41 km north of
Aguascalientes City on Federal Highway 45 in the State
of Aguascalientes, Mexico. Attractions in Rincon de
Romos are: crafts, cattle exhibitions, regional
dances, bullfights, cockfights, and large farms.

2. LOS CUERVOS:
http://www.mapas-de-mexico.com/ags/15-penuelas-aguascalientes-mexico-ma…

Mapa del Estado de Aguascalientes, Mexico, S. Seccion
15/16

Este mapa muestra la ciudad de: Peñuelas.
El mapa muestra las poblaciones de:
Ex Hacienda Agostaderito, Tanque de Guadalupe, Villa
Lic. Jesús Terán, La Tinaja, La Soledad de Abajo, El
Duraznillo, Los Duran, Catarina, Bajío los Vázquez,
LOS CUERVOS, Montoro, Refugio de Peñuelas,
Providencia, San Antonio de Peñuelas, El Turicate.

3. SAN JOSE DE GARCIA

http://www.tourbymexico.com/aguascal/snjsegci/sanjose.htm

The main attractions found here are:
Presa Plutarco Elias Calles

North to Zac., Zac.
http://www.tourbymexico.com/zaca/zaca.htm

Zacatecas Vacation Guides & Tourism
627km (392 miles) NW of Mexico City; 198km (124 miles)
NW of San Luis Potosí; 322km (201 miles) NE of
Guadalajara; 298km (186 miles) SE of Durango
Zacatecas, like Guanajuato, owes its beauty to the
wealth of silver extracted from its mines. The
farthest flung of the silver cities, it is a jewel in
the rough. High over the town center looms a steep
mountain that's accessible by cable car.

Places to visit in Zacatecas State

Chalchihuites, Sombrerete, *Chicomostoc
Archaeological Zone, Tepetongo, Fresnillo,
Tlaltenango
Guadalupe, Villa Garcia, Jerez de Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas ? Capital City

*La Quemada
http://www.planetware.com/zacatecas/la-quemada-mex-zac-qmd.htm

http://www.mexicofile.com/southofzacatecas.htm

Wishing you a blessed filled New Year.
Are you ready for more researching? Maybe finding a primo/a here at Nuestros Ranchos? It has been exciting to read of your triumphs.

As for me - I just called the local FHC, and films I ordered in mid-Nov are finally in - so I hope to view them soon. FYI - I have the following films: # 1164728 (Reg. Parroquiales, la Purisima, Valparaiso, Zac., Bautismos, 1870-1876); and #1164741 (same location, Informacion Matrimonial, 1878-1892). It has been quite a while since I have looked at films - and I wonder if you have some tips to share about the BEST way to RECORD INFORMATION from the films, and the BEST way to COMPILE the information. Please share your RESEARCH ideas/methods that work - I am always looking for ways to work smarter (not harder). Y'all take care

Natalie Castro Coleman, in Virginia
Researching: CASTRO, DUENAS, DURAN, GARCIA, LOPEZ, MARTINEZ in El Astillero, San Miguel, and San Mateo (Valparaiso Dist., Zacatecas); and Sain Alto and Sombrerete, Zacatecas

I'd like to introduce myself. I am Dara Jones and am an adoptee researching
my biological father's ancestry line. The family has an extensive history on
my grandfather's family spanning several cetruries. However, I know hardly
anything about my grandmother's line. Unfortunately her life and family are
shrouded in secrectry for some reason and so I know a very few facts.
_http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15444_ (http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15444)
Her name was Dolores Santana and she was born in Jalisco and later, some or
all of the family moved to Los Angeles. I have been told that her father was a
pistelleta in the army and that she was part of Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana's
relatives. _http://www.answers.com/topic/antonio-l-pez-de-santa-anna_
(http://www.answers.com/topic/antonio-l-pez-de-santa-anna) I am rather new at
researching outside of the USA and would love any kind of advice on some avenues
to explore in order to find some family connections.

Great to be on board.
Regards
Dara Jones

I am researching Gallegos in Calvillo. Willing to exchange information.

John Schmal

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JUANA MARIA LOERA
Daughter of Andres Loera and Juana Maria Velasco
Born: March 9, 1812

In the Parish Church of San Jose de Huejucar on the 16th of December of 1811, Father Rafael Yzursun, lieutenant priest, baptized solemnly and poured holy oil and sacred chrism on two children named Maria Yasana de los Dolores, Españoles, who were born in Ojocaliente today at 4 in the morning, legitimate daughter of Don Andres Loera and Dona Juana Maria Belasco.
Abuelos Paternos: Don Jose de Loera and Dona Rosalia Romo
Abuelos Maternos: Don Jesus Belasco and Dona Josefa Lopez
Padrinos: Don Florentino Lopez and Dona Merenciana Loera and for the other: Jose Maria de Loera and Dona Rosa Muños

ANDRES LOERA: Son of Jose Esteban Loera and Rosalia Romo de Vivar
Marriage of Jose Andres Loera and Juana Velasco
On the 23rd of May, 1803, I, Father Benito de Medina Camara, examined them in Christian doctrine and married Jose Andres Loera,, Español, originally from this jurisdiction in the post of Ojo Caliente, legitimate son of Jose Loera and Doña Maria de San Juan, already deceased, with Doña Juana Velasco, Española, legitimate daughter of Don Jesus Velasco and of Doña Josefa Lopez, already deceased.
Padrinos: --- de Loera and Rosalia Muños

JUANA MARIA VELASCO
Daughter of Jesus Velasco and Josefa Lopez
Born: September 28, 1787, Calvillo, Aguascalientes

JOSE MARIA DE JESUS VELASCO -- Son of Jose Velasco and Maria San Juan Delgado -- MARRIED Feb. 9, 1774 in Calvillo to Maria Josefa Lopez de Nava... Film 0635886

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A great big WELCOME John,

I have been trying to connect Candelario Alvarado from Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon to any of the Alvarados' from Zacatecas . What I have on him is this :
Candelario Alvarado married Maria Concepcion Garcia married November 8, 1833 . I have been unable to find anymore on him , there are other names in my line that do come from Zavcatecas ( Saldivar ) but so far I have had no luck with GOOD OLE CANDELARIO .

Once again welcome ,
Welester G. Alvarado

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I have just found a 1906 Valle de Guadalupe baptism that lists my maternal grandfather-in-law and mother-in-law as sponsors and gives me some info about them, but I need a little help. The microfilm is poor and flowering script is almost driving me mad. Here is what I think it says .....padrinos Julian Alviso casada labrador de cuarenta an~os originario de San Miguel y su esposa Catarina Jauregui de veinte y ocho an~os de edad originaria del hijo de Ayaca y vecinos de Mexcala......

I am pretty sure it states Julian is married, a farmer and 40 years old from San Miguel, and his wife, Catarina Jauregui is 28 years old. But then it says Catarina is a "son of Ayaca"? The word hijo is questionable as the h and i are looped together at the beginning which looks like a large "o" with a small "o" inside, but the "jo" at the end is definite. I tried to find Ayaca out on the Interent, but I could not find the place name even in the little site listed from a previous Nuestros forum topic. Is anyone familiar with the term or place Ayaca? I have found it referenced as a type of tree. Also, why would Catarina be listed as a hijo and not a hija? The place Mexcala is the Ranch where most of the younger children were born.

Thanks again for any help!

Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,

I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine
Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our
African legacy. Please check this out Welester while the exhibit is still there
(right across the street from the state capitol building). It is beautiful
and very enlightening, particularly for those of us with limited information
of our African legacy in Mexico.

I have shared many of my resources with my district's curriculum director.
However, Joseph, I have two CD's about this (African legacy in Mexico), plus
an enormous amount of wonderful photos I took. Please let me know how I can
share with the group. The CD's have music and voice to them...I have some
beautiful photos of Santiago...I believe another member of the group mentioned
they have family from there. In addition, I was fortunate enough to speak
personally with Santiago's historian..anyone with questions, let me know.

Perhaps one of the nicest things I got to do was to interview an elder from
this side of the family in Monterrery- I learned some additional information
that would normally not be shared...additionally, I got a photo of my great
great aunt whose last name was Elizondo Elizondo - she was not only beautiful,
but I was amazed how much our gene pool skips first generation and resembles
2nd and 3rd generation. I was able to take a photo of the painting...

Also, I attended my mom's funeral shortly after I returned from Mexico.
There were originally 10 siblings, now there is only one. This is the reason
why I was unable to contact the group earlier. My mother and an aunt are the
last of the Luna/Herrera's 2nd generation that came from my grandparents
(Manuel Luna Herrera and Norberta Herrera Luna were the 1st generation) that were
born in the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. I took pictures of the family during
this occasion, I can certainly forward them to the group as well. Perhaps one of
you might look one of us?

Alicia, you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of
us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I suspect
many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there)
because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the discrimination we
felt in this country. I also think that many people in Mexico "saben las
movidas", and don't necessarily rely on formalized groups to share information.
But like many of this group, I feel it is important to share, because we all
share a similar disenfranchised past. Connecting the dots makes us all feel
part of a family, and hence part of a larger group such as nuestros ranchos.

Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful
memories and a shared family past.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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Subject: Somos Primos January 2007 Table of Contents L4
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 00:38:33 -0500 (EST)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spjan07/spjan07.htm
Click here: Somos Primos

Dear friends and family . . . As we start a new year, Somos Primos is
expanding its' international networking. Angel Custodio Rebollo, our
columnist from Spain, is coordinating a new _International Networking_
column.

Somos Primos contacted over thirty historical and genealogical societies
from Spanish/Portuguese speaking countries. Angel will compile the
information from the queries each month. This issue we have surname
contact requests from Venezuela, Peru, Mexico, and Brazil.

May 2007 be your best year for gathering family records and honoring the
lives of your grandparents.

Sincerely, Mimi

*United States *
_Action Item_
A Legacy of Valor Display
A Memorial to a Hero, Guy Gabaldon
National Museum for the Latino Community

_National Issues_
Looking at crime and immigration
Blood and Sweat in the Meat Industry
Call for Papers: New Directions in Race Research
Extract: Diabetes Inflicts a Dangerous Toll on Hispanics in the US
National Internet-based Menopause Study
Preparing a Family Health History
WellPoint Launches Online health Assessment in Spanish
Blue Cross of California Launches NuestroBien.com:
Diccionario Biográfico Médico Hispanoamericano
*New Book*: The Journey to Latino Political Representation by John P. Schmal
Migrant Workers in Michigan: 1969 Field Notes

_Education_
The Supreme council of the Mexican-American Movement
Work begun on Valadez Middle School
Ruling: Classes divided by race
Book Inspires Student Displays On Bilingual Education History
Teaching of English and Latinos in America: Where do we go from here?
Latino College-Bound, Tech Savviest Among Peers, Missing Parental Help
Recommended websites for parents
Badillo Lashes Latinos, Rips Hispanic Values

_Culture_
Starting Your Own Family Search
SHHAR invites you to become a member
International Networking
Self Identity: Hispanic/Latino Widely Accepted, but Multiethnic is Used
Introduction to the History of Mexican-Americans, Wikipedia
Goya Producciones
"My Roots Run Deep" by Bobby LeFebre

_Business_
National Latina Business Women Association
Mexico Creates Network of U.S.-based high tech Migrants

*Anti-Spanish Legends*
The Price of Empire *
*Setting History straight should be the aim of every Hispano or Latino....
Reactions to Herman Badillo’s Book, One Nation, One Standard
*
Military & Law Enforcement Heroes
*Comforting Embrace
WW II Pilot Hector Santa Anna
Retired AF General Robert "Bob" Cardenas
Reminiscences of a Naval Aviator, Daniel L. Polino
Medal of Honor Series by Tony (Marine)
Wounded Warrior Project
Cold War Museum
Family Fact of the Week: Veterans
Military Records Flesh Out Family Histories
Navy Color Guard 4-minute Video

*Cuentos
*Part-time Slave, Beneath the Shadow of the Capitol by Ramon Moncivais
Una Historia de Luis Murillo, translated by Frank Sifuentes
Stories from the Barrio and Other Hoods by Margarita B. Velez
Growing Pains in the Barrio by Heradio Luna
My Gift from Santa Claus by Ben Romero
Carrie Books

*Literature *
The Funerals for Carlos V by Vicente Riva Palacio, translation by Ted
Vincent
S: Done Vienen La Ranitas? Children's story by Frank Sifuentes

*Surname
*Surnames identified in the Surname Column, 2000-2006
Two new FTDNA surname projects: Tarin and Zambrano
Successful Networking for Finding Primos means sharing information

*Spanish Sons of American Revolution *
Louisiana Society of the Sons of the American Revolution
El Regimento de La Luisiana/The Spanish Louisiana Regiment, 1781*/
/*Spaniards who went to the Philippines in the 1700 to 1800s.
Buenos Aires Patriots of the American Revolution, M-Z

*Orange County, CA
**January 27th SHHAR Quarterly Meeting, Open to Public, Free
*"O.C. Historical Update"
Gualberto Valadez, Beloved community member dies at 93
Vicki Ruiz Preserves the Stories of Latinas in America
The Road Home for the Holidays is Paved with Extortion

*Los Angeles, CA*
Tracing your Native American Heritage
Latino Rights Pioneer from Orange County dies at 91
L.A. Wallflower: Hidden for Decades Mural is Being Restored

*California
*California’s Heritage Discovery Center
To Whom it may Concern
Traces of Spain in the National Parks & Monuments of the U.S.
Save the Juana Briones House
Jan 12, Mini-Festival of Latino Arts* *
El Central Union High School, Class of 1950;

*Northwestern United States*
Northwest Immigrant Rights Project

*Southwestern United States
*Book: Tio Cowboy
The Western Connection
Improbable Discovery in New Mexico
Hace 'apenas' 347 años, Cuidad Juarez/El Paso

*African-American*
Black People - Slavery
Freedman's Savings and Trust CompanyCreating Racial Identities:
The Free-Colored Militia in Colonial Mexico
Slave Rebellions in the State of Virginia (1800, 1831)

*Indigenous*
Gibson's Film is far from a Tribute to the Maya
Maya say Gibson movie portrays them as savages
*New Book: * Ajq'ijab by Jean Molesky-Poz* *
*
Sephardic*
History of Sephardic Groups (1915-1985) in New York City

My Grandfather is Pedro Gonzales Jauregui he married Maria Ruano. They were both born in La Estancia De Los Delgadillos.
My grandfathers parents are Rosalio Jauregui and Pomposa Gonzales. Rosalio's parents are Salvador Jauregui and Catarina Vidaurri.
My file is in the group: http://www.nuestrostanchos.com/node/15431

Yolanda Caudillo-Wilkerson
http://www.childcareexpress.org/members/busybeedaycare/index.htm
Busy Bee Day Care
NAFCC Accredited

Queen PIMA
of the
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>

Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some children of Diego Tevino and
Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino Fernandez Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
--
Esther A. Herold

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>
> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>
> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the Banuelos family.
> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much information
> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll email you off
> the group so we can exchange information.
>
> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as her 5th
> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are related and
> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>
> Rosalinda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco
>
> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>
> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Ba

Maureen,

I think that most every municipio had an Ojo de Agua and maybe even several Ojos de Agua so it may be a hard thing to pinpoint. Also don't put too much emphasis on Ojo de Agua because people moved around from one rancho to another. For my grandfather I have seen about 5 different names of different ranchos when his children were born. One would say originario del Caquiste another would say originario de La Noche Buena another El Salitre and another would say Rancho Las Pilas and so on. According to mom and my aunts and uncles he did not live in all of these and mostly lived in El Rancho del Caquiste and was born in El Salitre.

So yes there are ojos de agua everywhere...........enjoy the search process and learn in the process.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif.

----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:49:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ojo de Agua all over the place

Dear Linda and Emilie,
I think there are more ponds in Mexico than there are in Northwest Indiana! I think the most likely Ojo de Agua is the one just south of Tepatitlan, but I could be wrong. I still have 5 more years to look at on the microfilm, so after the holiday I will be able to finish viewing the film and maybe it will give me more clues. Catarina's brothers Vicente and Julian and her sisters Ambrosia and Trinidad were also in Valle de Guadalupe so much of the family had relocated to Valle de Guadalupe. Someone is bound to have a more descriptive baptism.

My mom is from England and her relatives from England and Australia refer to the Atlantic Ocean as the Big Pond. Now just think, hundreds of years from now, future generations are going to read some of those letters and will be trying to figure out what exactly was the Big Pond!