Nuestros Ranchos Site

Emilie Garcia:

En la Geografía e Historia de Aguascalientes aparece “Morcinique”, que
probablemente es una deformación de una palabra Nahuatl. En antiguos
escritos del S. XVII, aparece como vocablo con diversas deformaciones
(Mozilic, Morsenique, Cosilique). Está referido a un río que lleva aguas
desde la sierra de Guajolotes hasta el valle de Aguascalientes en donde se
une el Río San Pedro. En cartografía antigua no he encontrado una estancia
con ese nombre (Estancia de Morcinique), pero sí una muy antigua denominada
“Estancia de los Tiscareños” que, hacia el S. XVIII, lindaba con la gran
propiedad de la hacienda Jesuita de “Cieneguilla”. Sobre ese río, que es
poco caudaloso y temporal, se encuentran poblaciones muy antiguas que
crecieron en trorno a la Hacienda de Gracias a Dios, Hacienda de Guadalupe,
Hacienda de San Ignacio y Hacienda Nueva. Poblaciones en las cuales se
registró una intensa vida social de familias muy localizadas como los Ruiz
de Esparza, Esparza, Tiscareño, Díaz de Tiscareño y Pedroza, entre otras.
Felipe Reyes Romo

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My recent research into my husband's ancestry has taken me farther afield from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco where I found his grandfather, great-grandfather ---- back to his gggg-grandfather. Now I am in unfamiliar territory.

I have four baptisms where the children were baptized in Encarnacion de Diaz, but one (a Garcia Calzada) was born in what looks like "Mariquitas" (1797) another (a Gonzales Angel) was born in "Santa Maria" (1790), another (a Servantes Rovalcaba) born in "esta Villa Valleron [?]de Sn. Diego" (1800), and one (a Servantes Rovalcaba) born in "San Diego" (1795).

Another baptism has the child (a Duron Esparsa) baptized in Aguascalientes, Aguas. but born in Asientos and "vecino de este Partido en Santiago".

Finally there is one (a Gonzales Magdaleno) baptized in Lagos de Moreno, but born in San Matias.

My questions are these:

Where was/is Mariquitas?

Current maps have several Santa Marias in Jalisco, also several San Diegos and Santiagos. Which ones were they referring to?

What does "vecino de este Partido en Santiago" mean in relation to Asientos? (I found Asientos on a map).

I can't find a San Matias anywhere close to Lagos de Moreno. Was there one in Jalisco, or elsewhere?

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Alice,

I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.

You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?

Let me know what you think.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------

> thanks for your answer.
>
> I

John, I know exactly how you feel. I've recently started my genealogy research and hit nothing but brick walls! For whatever reason--political or family squabbles, it appears my mother: an intelligent, professional woman from a once prominent family (Onate), was misinformed as to where she was born! I thought I had hit the jackpot when I received the FHC microfilm for Villa Garcia, Zac. for the years before and after her birth, and she's not there! Neither are her two brothers. I've checked the town's 1930's census--no Onate's whatsoever. This family, like many others, lost their fortunes and family records, if any, in the revolution. Now I've ordered an Aguascalientes El Sagrario (the church where my ggrandfather is entombed) microfilm that covers 300 years. I wonder how long it's going to take to get through that one, working only a couple hours a week (the evening operating hours of my FHC)? I haven't contributed much to the site, not for lack of effort, but lack o
f any su
ccess. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Alice B. Blake

--- john9ten@pacbell.net wrote:

From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven't been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
John Robles

Emilie Garcia wrote:
I am with you all the way, Linda. I just cannot understand the reluctance on the part of some to share their genealogical research. I have made so many new contacts with people that have helped me after I posted my information to WorldConnect via Ancestry World Tree or to the many message boards available. (Although if I knew how to upload gedcoms on my own I could have posted directly to WorldConnect thus bypassing Ancestry.com).
Ancestry.com allows me to use their online genealogy program Family Tree which is user friendly, and I don't have to buy a program for my computer where it could crash, etc.

I have given some folks new information (new to them) and vice versa, just as we have seen happen in this group. We help each other fill in the blanks and break down the brick walls, and it furthers the enthusiasm for this kind of work. I have instilled in many younger people the interest and passion for this. We are not going to live forever, so if I can help others this way, I consider I have done my part for posterity.

There are very few people who, after I have spent days doing their research at no charge whatsoever, don't at least e-mail me back to thank me and let me know they got and appreciate the information. I don't care. At least I feel gratified by the majority who do thank me, and who I know will continue the search. The agradecidos even hold family reunions and share all the info I gave them; I have reunited many clans this way. Some folks have lived in the same town for generations and never knew they were related.

How many instances have we seen where someone has done so much work, hoping to "one day" compile it into a copyrighted book, only to get ill and die before they accomplish it and have all that work languish in boxes in uninterested relatives' homes or where all that research is just destroyed? By uploading all my info to WorldConnect and to Nuestros Ranchos, I have left my work in a safe repository where no disaster in my home or to my computer or to me can touch it. I have not ever "stolen" anyone's information, only reviewed it for links to my ancestors. When I find a possible link, I do all the subsequent research myself by reviewing and obtaining copies of the actual records in order to be sure of the correctness of the info.

Thank you Joseph, Arturo, Linda, Jessica and all of you who do the best you can to put those names and places online (however skimpily) for the benefit of everyone.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial

I think it's a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I'm sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I've posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I'm okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I'm just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

Leticia, Thank you. With your ears up and my antennas, I'm optimistic! ABB

--- marionicia@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Oñate de Alice
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:48:05 -0500 (CDT)

thanks for your answer.

I´ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am used to do. He´ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure I´ll tell.

AliceBB escribió:
Hi Leticia, My mother's maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis Onate and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother was estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40 years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took us to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her father/my ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed. Unfortunately, I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I wasn't much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo informed my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather Rosalio and ggrandmother Petra
Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with the Onate's. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices' parents: ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande, Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And that's about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the only mention of a Santelices. It's been a brick wall ever since! There are lots of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don't know which ones to follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake

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I'm confused by all this that has been posted with reference to not knowing
or not having the time... I have found that all one needs to do is post a
message requesting help... and the flood gates open up, sending helpers
rushing to one's aid...

Maybe if we knew who the members were that needed help we/the group could
help.
Is it possible to make a listing of the individuals that have not submitted
"at least something," ie: the names of their parents, the known area of
research, any information that initially lead them to believe that
NuestrosRanchos was the list group for them. If a pedigree is not posted
how are we to know who needs help or even if there's a possible common
ancestor.
Sorry if I'm going in circles with this posting, or even being my outspoken
self, but I feel that if an individual found this list group; went through
the process of contacting the moderator and then following the instructions
on how to beable to access the various files, they must have had some
knowledge and desire to learn about their Mexican ancestors.

Pat Silva Corbera

I wonder if anyone can help me with a place name in Aguascalientes.

I have a baptism record here for my husband's ggggg-grandfather, baptized in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes in 1748, but he was born in a place that looks like "Marinique". I don't find that place in the Diccionario Geografico, but when I Googled it, I came up with a "Marinique Resort" in Aguascalientes. However, when I entered the website, I couldn't find it listed. (It is a travel website).

Has anyone encountered this place name before and/or have any idea where in Aguascalientes or other state it may have been in?

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

As of 09/23/2006 the Nuestros Ranchos group has started a new policy.
The group is experiencing tremendous growth and that growth has forced
the policy change.

From now on to be a member of the group you must first send in a
genealogy report showing your connection to either Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. After I receive the report I will activate your
account.

If you are unsure about sending in your report I would suggest that you
read through the message archives and see if this group is right for you.

Sincerely,

Joseph Puentes - originating Moderator

ps: Those of you that were subscribed to the list before 09/23/2006 will
be allowed to stay with the same deadline of 01-31-2007 to get your
genealogy submitted. However I would very very much enjoy and be
appreciative it you would just go ahead and send me a report in either
"Word" or just in an email with your "representative" tree.

I'll need the following info from you:

1) your name and Username and subscription email address (please don't
email me from a different address and not identify yourself)\
2) The specific name of the file you are sending
3) The specific Ranchos in our target area of research that the file is
associated with

please don't forget that and please do try to get those to me soon, but
as I said you really do have until 01-31-2007

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in October, November, December,
and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably around the
24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

Joseph, The film I searched was Villa Garcia Vault Intl Film 2053580 which includes nacimentos 1914-1917, and didn't find any Onates in those years. Yes, she had two brothers, but no Onates or Santelices (in case the mother's maiden name was used)showed on that film. We don't know her brother's names; upon my grandparents separation, the oldest son was taken to live with the Onates, and the other died a young man. There are also no Onates in the 1930 census for Villa Garcia, et al. Thanks for your suggestions. ABB

--- makas@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Oñate's from Villa Garcia
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:32:54 -0500

So what have you found from the Villa Garcia, Zacatecas film? Have you
had a search of this film yet? Nacimientos
1908-1910,1912-1913,1918,1919-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090103 ] it
seems that 1915 is missing doesn't it? Well you might have to go
searching for your family on these films. Did your mother have siblings?

joseph

Title
Registros civiles del municipio de Villa García, 1862-1996

Authors
Villa García (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo General de Gobierno del Estado
de Zacatecas.
Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
Registros civiles del municipio de Villa García, Zacatecas, México.
(Incluyen registros de los pueblos de Montesa, El Lobo, Los Campos y San
Marcos)
Civil registers of births, marriages, and deaths from the municipality
of Villa García, Zacatecas, Mexico.(Includes records from the towns of
Montesa, El Lobo, San Marcos and Los Campos)

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Villa García - Civil registration

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1973, 1998

Physical
30 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Nacimientos 1864,1867-1868 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090097 ]
Nacimientos 1870-1879 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090098 ]
Nacimientos 1880-1886,1888 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090099 ]
Nacimientos 1889-1894 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090100 ]
Nacimientos 1895-1897,1899-1900 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090101 ]
Nacimientos 1901-1907 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090102 ]
Nacimientos 1908-1910,1912-1913,1918,1919-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [
1090103 ]
Matrimonios 1862,1867-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090104 ]
Matrimonios 1870-1872 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090105 ]
Matrimonios 1873-1879 - FHL INTL Film [ 1089258 ]
Matrimonios 1881-1884 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089259 ]
Matrimonios 1885-1888 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089260 ]
Matrimonios 1889-1893 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089261 ]
Matrimonios 1894-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089262 ]
Matrimonios 1899-1900 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089263 ]
Matrimonios 1901-1903 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089264 ]
Matrimonios 1904-1906 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089265 ]
Matrimonios 1907-1908 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089266 ]
Matrimonios 1909-1910 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089267 ]
Matrimonios 1912-1914,1918-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089268 ]
Defunciones 1864,1867-1868,1870-1875 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089269 ]
Defunciones 1876-1886 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089270 ]
Defunciones 1887-1892 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089271 ]
Defunciones 1893-1897,1899-1900 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089272 ]
Defunciones 1901-1909 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089273 ]
Defunciones 1910,1912-1914,1918-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089274 ]
Nacimientos 1914-1917 (Montesa, Lobo, San Marcos, Villa Garcia),
1921-1930 (Villa Garcia) -- Matrimonios 1921-1936 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053580 ]
Matrimonios 1937-1950 -- Defunciones 1921-1970 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053581 ]
Defunciones 1971-1998 -- Nacimientos (Montesa) 1921-1930 -- Defucniones
(Montesa) 1921-1924, 1926-1981 - VAULT INTL Film [ 2053604 ]
Defunciones (Montesa) 1982-1995, 1997 -- Defunciones (Los Campos) 1954,
1956-1997 -- Nacimientos (San Marcos) 1921-1922, 1924-1930 --
Defunciones (San Marcos) 1921, 1924-1931 (Incluye nacimeintos de Montesa
1923) -- Nacimientos y defunciones (El Lobo) 1921, 1923-1924 --
Matrimonios y defunciones (Ville García) 1914-1917 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053605 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

AliceBB wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

Most of us don't have a clue as to what it takes to be a moderator. If you are overwhelmed by the work, we don't blame you for wanting to cut down on the work, and you have to do what you have to do.

I think perhaps in future, it should be a steadfast rule that in order to be approved for the group, one must first submit at least a basic family tree, and if not, they should be able to tell what they know about their ancestors and what they hope to achieve. Surely everyone can do that, and they know enough about who some of their ancestors were and where their ancestors originated or they would not be desiring to join a genealogy group specific to Jalisco, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas (that formerly comprised most of Nueva Galicia).

It is great that you got the help of the most able Mr. Ramos to help you. Maybe you need an assistant moderator. I wish I was more computer literate, so I could help you. As it is, I spend so many hours a week at the local FHC and on the computer doing my own research and that of others that I sometimes feel overwhelmed too. Metimos la pata, as my husband would say.

I think the three points for qualification to membership in the group that you set down are fine.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

I need some help. I have a position open for a Moderator Assistant. The
job entails about 1-4 hours of work a month. Actually once you get the
idea (easy) you should definitely be pushing the window toward the 1
hour per month direction.

Here is the job description to be accomplished after careful tutoring:

1) look at the list of new applicants for membership

2) when 15 days have passed from the time the applicant first applied
for membership send out a form email to that person.

3) when 30 days have passed from the time the applicant first applied
for membership send out a different form email to that person.

4) send me a list of persons you have sent out the 30 day form letter to.

anyone interested in helping?

thanks,

joseph

Hi,

After reading you "Right now the group is hovering around 160 member" in order to save you time I decide to have you remove me now. I am alway busy on the road going to different archives and genealogical groups that I can understand your situation.
I am resquesting to be removed from you site and e-mail list. Thank you for your time and the great job you do.

Take Care

Patsy Castro de Ludwig
Ludwig-paz@sbcglobal.net

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3. Re: Recording George Ryskamp (Josie T. Trevino)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:20:38 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 31 January 2007 Reminder
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, announce@nuestrosranchos.org,
research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <45128396.8010006@nc.rr.com>
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Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in October, November, December,
and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably around the
24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

------------------------------

Is it safe to say that "these individuals," have been individually notified
and have replied with a ' yes' or 'no' to continue?

Is it ok to edit/delete an individual record from one's own GEDCOM, or does
that also need to be done by the moderator?

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

A reminder about the Hispanic Conference in Salt Lake City on October 13th &
14thth......

the seminar schedules in both English and Spanish are posted at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14949

I spoke with George Ryskamp last night and he agreed for us to record any of
his seminars for Joseph's Podcast project.....Joseph, he sends his regards!

If anyone has any questions regarding anything about the conference (which
is free to the public) or about the hotels available, please feel free to
ask.......I will be glad to post the information again if anyone needs it!
There are still a couple of rooms left at the Plaza Best Western Inn ($82.00
plus tax for two persons) right next door to the library and more rooms
available at the Howard Johnson Express Inn ($35.00 plus tax for a single &
$49.00 plus tax for two persons) a couple of blocks away.

The telephone number to call to order your VAULT film in advance is:
1-801-240-2334. If you tell them you are part of a group coming from out of
state to do research they will let you order ANY AMOUNT of films that you
need......otherwise the limit is five films per request.

Please let me know if you need any other assistance.....

Josie in San Antonio

Hello, I need the name of parents, if any, and padrinos on these marriages items

¿some one could extract them from the film in permanent loan? the film is subscribed in the films section of the group

I certanly appreciate this favor, thank you

Mexico

1054. NAZARIO COS Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 14 MAY 1884 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1055. JOSEFA COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 02 OCT 1883 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1056. MELECIO COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 27 APR 1882 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1057. FRANCISCA COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 27 APR 1882 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1058. JESUS COS Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 MAY 1884 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1059. MARIA DEL PILAR COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 11 JUL 1883 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1060. ANTONIO COSILEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 MAY 1871 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch M604434 matrimonios Arandas, Jal 1870-1885

Film 0279678

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 21-sep-2006 15:08
Subject: Re:
To: jorge luis ramirez gomez

Hola Jorge Luis:

Aqui te pongo lo poco que tengo de los Gutierrez Coronado,
espero te sirva de algo:

*

Descendants of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado
*

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Generation No. 1
*

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1.
*Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado was born Aprox. 1618 in Ocotlán, Jal.. He married
María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera 13 Dic 1643 in Ocotlán, Jal., daughter of Pedro
Navarro-Gaitán and María de-Cabrera. She was born Aprox. 1626 in Ocotlán,
Jal., Méx..

Notes for María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera:

El Jue-2-Ene-2003, busque en el IGI encontre estos datos como sigue:

Batch# F867916, Sheet# 034, Film# 1396254. Aqui dice que Maria Cabrera nacio
alrrededor 1596.,

y que sus padres son Martin Casillas y Mencia González de Cabrera. y el
listado de sus hijos.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado and María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera:

Marriage: 13 Dic 1643, Ocotlán, Jal.

Children of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado and María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera are:

2. i. Juan2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1645.

ii. María Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Feb 1647, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About María Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 20 Feb 1647, Ocotlán, Jal.
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iii. Petronila Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Ene 1649, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About Petronila Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 28 Ene 1649, Ocotlán, Jal.
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iv. Antonia Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Dic 1661, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About Antonia Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 05 Dic 1661, Ocotlán, Jal.
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v. Nicolasa Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Oct 1663, Poncitlán Pueblo, Jal..

More About Nicolasa Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 01 Oct 1663, Poncitlán Pueblo, Jal.
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3. vi. Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1666.

4. vii. Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1670.
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Generation No. 2
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2.
*Juan2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1645. He married Juana de la Mora Zamora Aprox. 1671 in Ocotlán, Jal.,
daughter of Fernando de la Mora and María Zamora. She was born Aprox. 1652.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora:

Marriage: Aprox. 1671, Ocotlán, Jal.

Children of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora are:

5. i. Juana3 Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1674, Ocotlán, Jal..

ii. Juan Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1692, Ocotlán, Jal.; m.
Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez, 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.;
b. Sep 1699, Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 04 Sep 1699, Tepatitlán, Jal.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora and Justa-Lugarda de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
*

iii. Francisco Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, m. Antonia de Alba Bocanegra
Glez, 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.; b. Jul 1690, Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About Antonia de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 20 Jul 1690, Capilla de Mezcala, Tepatitlán, Jal.

More About Francisco Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora and Antonia de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
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3.
*Felipe2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born
Aprox. 1666. He married Francisca Glez de Hermosillo Renteria Aprox. 1693 in
Jalostotitlán, Jal., daughter of Melchor González de Hermosillo and
Francisca Renteria Mojica. She was born Aprox. 1675.

More About Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria:

Marriage: Aprox. 1693, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

Children of Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria are:

i. Felipe3 Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1694,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

ii. Melchor Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 24 Oct 1747.

iii. Miguel Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1697,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 03 Sep 1766.

iv. Antonio Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1702,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

v. Tomás-Joaqu Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1707,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 08 Oct 1747.

vi. Juan-Fco Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1714,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

6. vii. José-Bonifa Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo.

*

4.
*Jóse2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1670. He married Mariana Hermosillo Camarena Aprox. 1695 in Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Miguel González de Hermosillo and María
Camarena. She was born Aprox. 1674 in Jalostotitlán, Jal., and died 10 Ago
1716.

More About Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena:

Marriage: Aprox. 1695, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Children of Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena
are:

i. María3 Gutiérrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696, Jalostotitlán,
Jal.; d. 01 Jun 1763; m. Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas, 12 Nov
1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.; b. Aprox. 1685,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

More About Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas and María Gutiérrez
Coronado Hermosillo:

Marriage: 12 Nov 1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.
*

I wrongly submited a film for Atemajac De Brizuela, please erase from the list, the number is 0279529, I already summited it in the place it belongs which is Arandas, Jalisco.

[Can someone Translate this for me?]

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in September, October, November,
December, and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably
around the 24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

[Can someone Translate this for me?]

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in September, October, November,
December, and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably
around the 24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

Disculpen, solo es una pequeña parte de la Genealogia de
los Gutierrez de Mendoza, sobre los que llegaron a vivir primero
a Pegueros, esta en el Boletin no. 1 del Grupo, al final,
creo que en la penultima hoja, esta en formato PDF.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

2006/9/18, eddy gutierrez hermosillo :
>
> SALUDOS TOMAS OYE DONDE ES DONDE MENCIONA GENEALOGIA DE GUTIERREZ DE
> MENDOZA EN LA PAGINA QUE MENCIONAS? , ESTUBE BUSCADO Y NO LO ENCONTRE
>
>
>
> *Atte:* *Eddy Gtz. H.*
>
>

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

----- Original Message ----
From: enrique legaspi
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distances: Teocaltiche, Nochistlan, Mexticacan & Aguascalientes

The towns are almost a stone's throw from each other. Today, driving time is 10-15 minutes. As a kid I rode a bicyle and it took me 1 hour to 1 1/2 hour. The same goes for Mexticacan, but in the opposite direction from Teocaltiche. (including La Estancia).

Muchas Gracias Enrique,

I will keep this in mind for our Dream Trip to the Los Altos region next year.

Enrique, maybe you can also give us some tips on where to go for our dream trip to study and learn about the histrory of the region. We would also like to play and have some fun, a little Mariachi night music will help us to unite with our ancestral spirits.

Jose Muños of northern Calif has agreed to do some research on places to visit on our 7-10 day dream trip. Anyone who is interested in going, now is your chance to give some input to him as to places of interest to each of you.

I think we definitely should include Guadalajara and Aguascalientes. And of course I would like to go to my ancestral town of Nochistlan. Enrique, does Nochistlan have a town historian who could give us a historical tour, taking into consideration that this was the first and original Guadalajara?

Ok, this is what I propose, we fly into Guadalajara have a carro de sitio ready or tour bus depending on how many people will be coming. We can then drive to Yahualica and spend the night there as they have adequate hotels. Next day onto Mexticacan then to Nochistlan. If we can get a historian for a tour then we can have lunch or dinner in Nochistlan at my cousin's family restaurant el pollo loco which is very good, maybe with a little Mariachi. From Nochistlan onto Teocaltiche where we can spend the night. Does anyone know what we can do as in places of interest in Teocaltiche?

After Teocaltiche we can drive to Aguascalientes where there is much to see and do. I would like to look for Rincon de Romos, Los Cuervos and San Jose de Gracia. If you can make other suggestions for Aguas, speak up now. We can spend the day and night in Aguascalientes.

From Aguas, we decide if we want to go north to Zacatecas, Zacatecas the state capital or if we want to go southeast or northeast as in Totatiche, Tepechitlan, Colotlan, Momax, Jalpa, Jerez, Fresnillo etc. It's our dream trip so we can make it anything we want, of course within reason. Speak up now if you're interested and give Jose Muños your input so we can help him with our needs and wants for this fabulous trip.

Our last place to stay, visit, study and play should be Guadalajara for at least 1 day if not more.

Para los que viven en Guadalajara y sus alrededores, quizas nos pueden orientar hacia puntos de interes historico y tambien nos pueden acompañar en nuestra jornada por la region. Los que vamos de afuera no estamos al tanto del ambiente local o los lugares de interes genealogico. Se les agredeceria su ayuda con sugerencias para este viaje que se llevara acabo el 2007, lo mas probable seria en los meses de Julio o Agosto cuando hay mas oportunidad de tomar vacacion.

Atentamente;
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

Today the drive to Aguascalientes from Nochistlan is 1 hour. Starting in Nochistlan, the road to "Aguas" as the locals call it, will take you past La Estancia, Apulco, through Teocaltiche, past the fork in the road to Jalostotitlan and Lagos de Moreno and finally Aguascalientes.

Hola a Todos:

Para los interesados en la Genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco:

Acabo de encontrar esta pagina de Pegueros, Jalisco,
en la seccion de boletines mensuales trae genealogia sobre
todo de los Gutiérrez de Mendoza que conformaron en gran
medida esta Poblacion que pertenece a Tepatitlán de Morelos
Jalisco, trae el indice de las revistas que publican, donde
estoy seguro trae mas genealogia, lastima que solo publiquen
el inmdice de articulos, deberian tambien poner las revistas
en pdf, seria grandioso.

El link es el siguiente:

http://www.clubpegueros.com

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

I wanted to thank-you, Joseph for helping me get my messages into digest
mode. It was really easy with your directions. Thanks!

Corrine

A majority of eastern jews are type J2. A J2 classification suggested my husband is of Jewish heritage.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Alicia Carrillo : --------------

> Esther,
>
> Can you please tell this dummy what it means to be classified as J2 in your DNA?
>
> Thanks,
> Alicia in San Jose, Ca
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:13:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog