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What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group? What is going on with the groups quietness?
Do miss hearing from you all.

In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez, I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.

Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above mentioned line.

On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820. Very interesting...

Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
Saludos, Helyn

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Did you get a chance to read my message about not having the usernames and passwords for DreamHost or the FTP login anymore because my drive crashed?

I remember that the username for FTP is lafamilia... but that is about it.

Are the films that are listed under the "film," tab, without a batch number, does that denote that a batch is not available for that given film?
Pat

1123 Cuando se convalida un matrimonio para el fuero externo, o es declarado nulo, o se disuelve legítimamente por una causa distinta de la muerte, debe comunicarse esta circunstancia al párroco del lugar donde se celebró el matrimonio, para que se haga como está mandado la anotación en los registros de matrimonio y de bautismo.

>From the Codigo Canonico ---

Has anyone ever seen an "anotacion" in a marriage record that the marriage was later nullified (annuled)?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Mark Guerrero & Radio Aztlan, my nine piece band, will be
performing this Saturday afternoon, June 24th, from 4:30 to 6:30 at the
L.A. County Museum of Art (LACMA), outdoors in the park. It's part of a
summer concert series called "Latin Sounds." We'll be doing two sets of
my music, with two Lalo Guerrero songs in each set. It's free to the
public! For more info visit the following page on lacma's website:
http://www.lacma.org/programs/MusicPrograms.aspx#latin. Scroll down to
the Latin Sounds section. Hope to see you there. Address and contact
info of LACMA:
LACMA
5905 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles , CA 90036
323-857-6000
323-857-0098 (TDD)
www.lacma.org

www.fallingrain.com/world

This site even found the ghost town Bavicanora, Sonora, Mex where my father was raised. I have been to this ghost town 30 years ago and there was nothing living there, just a closed up mine. This privately sponsored gazetteer searches for places by nation or by letter of the alphabet.
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The previous site I sent is more complicated to get in IF you Log-on as a registered user. To find your towns neighbors, just go into the
"Select your location from our huge database" from the Anonymous Users link.

If you are interested in Stars and Satellites, then register. It is free.

Kitty Cortez
Rocklin CA
Lat Lon Ele
38.791 -121.235 78m

www.heavens-above.com

Found this website in Melinda Kashuba book "Walking With Your Ancestors" A Genealogist's Guide to Using Maps and Geography. She was our speaker at our June Roseville Genealogical Society meeting.

This is a privately maintained place-name database that adds an unusual twist: It can list the nearest neighboring town to a given location. The site request that you register, but you can use it anonymously. Once you have found your specific location in the database, request the nearest towns and the results will include the distance in kilometers, the name of the region they are in, the latitude and longitude and the elevation. The place-names included in this database appear to be modern and officially recognized. This is a terrific little tool to use to locate nearby towns that might have vital or church records for your ancestors.

Have fun

Kitty Cortez
Rocklin

I'm glad to hear there is a language option.

But if I missed it and I speak the language consider how difficult it might be for someone who doesn't read English.

Many sites have a button on the home page to choose from:

(((English)))) (((Espanol)))

For Ernie Alderete,

An old post of yours about Petronila MOCTEZUMA mentioned Anna VALADES Masias who married Jose Manuel ROMO DE VIVAR.
Could she be Anna MASIAS Valades, born btw 1710-1720 probably in Aguascalientes? I've come across this MASIAS-Valades or Balades combination occasionally in the records, sometimes as MASIAS-Valdez.

"My" Anna MASIAS Valades married Joseph Marcial MARQUES Trillo 14 Feb 1740 in Ags. It was his second marriage, he was born Jul 1705, also in Ags.

Hope this leads to a connection.

Gloria D.

"Triumphs and Tragedy," A History of the Mexican People, by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz is an excellant publication that features "the epic history of Mexico's tumultuous origin and development - from its Olmec, Aztec and Mayan heritage to its present-day." "One long tragedy intermittently punctuated by triumph." Professor Ruiz is a professor in the history department at the University of California - San Diego at La Jolla. Copyright 1992 by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz ..ISBN 0-393-03023-7 W.W. Norton & Company, Inc.
Ramom Eduardo Ruiz also has publications written in Spanish, one being The Great Rebellion: Mexico 1905 -1924 ( La gran rebelion: Mexico 1905-1924) .

Hi Prima,
The insurgentes were the Cristeros who were fighting for the
Church against the Government.
Irma

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Zacatecas Films (Patricia Corbera)
2. Re: Zacatecas Films (Arturo Ramos)
3. Insurgente (MARIA E GUTIERREZ)
4. Re: Zacatecas Films (Patricia Corbera)
5. Re: Zacatecas Films (Santos Luna)
6. Re: Insurgente (Alicia Carrillo)
7. Re: Places (Gloria)
8. Re: DNA Testing (Santos Luna)

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:24:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patricia Corbera
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Films
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Santos, with viewing the films for Tlaltenango, do you recall seeing a
reference to Iglesia de Santo Tomas Apostol de Momax? My
father-in-law's birth record has the following information, but I've
been unable to locate the film for this parish so that I can located
birth records of his siblings.

Time frame: 1894
Rancho de Los Pintos...
En la Capilla de Momax, ayuda de Parrouquia de Tlaltenango.

Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank You,
Pat Silva Corbera

Santos Luna wrote:
I have just added my name to some of the existing film numbers for
Momax, Jerez, Atolinga, and Tlaltenango which I have on long term.

Since I live within walking distance (not that I would walk it!!!) to
the Family History Center I would be happy to make hard copies of any
records members would find with "batch numbers", and send you the copy.

I have about 21 films for Tlaltenango, 9 for Momax, and 1 each for
Jerez, and Atolinga.

I have 6 films of death records, and 3 baptisms without batch numbers
for Tlaltenango. If I am able to find those batch numbers, then I will
add these films to the list.

Currently, I am at a "brick wall" with my research so, if I can be of
assistance, please do not hesitate to ask.
Saludos, Helyn

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I would like to invite all the members of the group to visit the Albums section of our site. There are very interesting and beautiful pictures in the albums. If you have not had a chance to visit this section yet, I suggest you plan to visit it the next time you find some free time (who 's got that?) to explore ALL of the albums. Consider adding your favorite pictures to the collection for the benefit and enjoyment of the group.

I posted a few pictures in the "Albums" section a few weeks ago. (with Joseph's help). If you are interested in: Santo Toribio in Santa Ana, Teocaltiche, Arandas, Rancho Los Portales in Jalostotitlán and coins of Nueva España, please visit: John Gonzalez's Pix album.

The best way to see the pictures in their finest detail, is in their full size. I am sure some of you already know how to do that. If you are a newcomer or have never visited the "Albums" section follow these simple instructions:

1.-Log in to the Nuestro Ranchos site.
2.-Select the "Albums" tab
3.-Select "Ranchos y Ciudades" Here, you can start with the first album, look at all the pictures in it, and then work through the rest of the albums in sequence to make sure you get to see them all.
4.-Click on a picture
5.- Click on the same picture again. You will see the picture in a clean screen, i.e. without the menus on the right side.
6.-Place your mouse cursor over the picture and hold it there for a couple of seconds. A button will appear at the bottom right side, click on it to see the picture in its finest detail. If the picture is bigger than your screen, you'll see the vertical and horizontal standard bars to move it.

There is a big difference in looking at small picture and looking at it full size to appreciate its finest detail, it is an "eye opener". (check out the ones fron Zacatecas)

Note: Not all of the pictures will expand to fill your screen.

Enjoy.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Hi, primos y primas. I've loaded a few new photos to my photo album if you want to take a peek. I'm particularly upload challenged...I've tried uploading stuff before and I'm sure it's whirling around in the stratosphere somewhere and destined never to alight anywhere. Just me, Marge:)

I hope our Mexican relations know that most of us Pochos do NOT share the hostility displayed by our elected officials, and vigilante posses towards undocumented immigrants. If it was up to me, I would grant a full and complete blanket amnesty.

My mother was a smuggler as a young girl. She crossed the border at El Paso almost every day. The border guards told her “we know you are smuggling something, but we just can’t figure out what!” She was smuggling in clothes. She would buy half a dozen dresses in El Paso, put them all on, one over the other, buy a bicycle, pedal back across the border and sell the bike and dresses all in the same day. She was never caught!

Of course, it helped that she was a very beautiful young woman. I call her the Mexican Lana Turner because she can turn the tears on, and off on cue.

It would be my hope that the Nuestros Ranchos software could be modified so that people could choose their language, Spanish or English. To make it more accessible to our friends, and family.

I’m on the Genealogia de Norte Mexico site, and it is hard for me to navigate because it is all in Spanish. Yet, I can keep up with the posts.
Benicio tells me that site can be accessed in English, but I have not been able to do so. I don’t see any instructions in my primary language.

I know income is a big bone of contention between our people. And of course the United States is wealthier than Mexico. But there are poor and rich on both sides of the border, and I think it’s a mistake to consider all gringos rich, and all Mexicans poor. Its simplistic, and just not correct.

In my family we all are in the middle class on either side of the border. My relatives own Pastas Porras in Torreron, Nuevo Leon, which my great grandfather founded in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua a century ago. He crossed the border and went to Chicago to have the machinery made for his factory, all to his design.

My grandfather who was mayor of Hidalgo del Parral, as was his father in law, my great grandfather, went to college in St. Joseph, Missiouri. The border works both ways.

My relatives also own Muebleria Bautista in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, as well as several other businesses.

Where I live in Los Angeles, perhaps the majority of people are undocumented immigrants, predominantly from Mexico, but also large numbers from Central America, and beyond.

I make every effort to get along regardless of nationality.

Buena suerte, buena salud a todos. Somos familia. La sangre no se cambia.
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Has anyone on the NuestrosRanchos list had a Y-DNA or mtDNA test with
FamilyTreeDNA or other testing facility?

I've had my Y-DNA results for the Romero Surname and they are
unusual. I am interested if anyone whose ancestors are from the
Jalisco area has been tested. I am looking for comparisons and
possibly connections back to Spain and the Mediterranean area.

Linda

What is the definition of a Criollo/Criolla?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

For Stuart and others interested in the origens of the pueblos of Aguascalientes, I've just posted two pages in Reference materials on the foundation of the pueblos of Aguascalientes. Included are San Jose de Gracia and Rincon de Romos.

Gloria Delgado

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/aguascali…

This site has lots of information on the political and social changes in Aguascalientes.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Arturo,

Are there any filmed records of annulments in Mexico? Would they be called anulaciones? I know that annulments have to be approved by upper levels of the Catholic hierarchy, and that the process took a long time, unless the man had money to pay. It seems a man could get an annulment from the Catholic church for himself or for his children if he was rich enough. Women could only get them in certain cases.

I have a case where a lady at the turn of the last century had a child and when the father wanted to go back to Mexico City where he came from or where he wanted to live, she refused to go. I never found a record of her marriage in the city where she had told her family she was married, nor have I found a record for the birth of her child, or for herself. However, I did find a marriage record for her husband to another woman that was recorded exactly one year after the birth of his child with the first woman, and in the same church she said she had been married to him.

I know that divorce would not have been allowed in a Catholic country around 1912, but could the man have gotten an annulment in order to remarry in the church one year later, and are there records of such things?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Another question I have is during the religious wars in Mexico during the 1920 through 1927, they referred to some of the people fighting as insurgentes. Who were the insurgentes? Where they the people fighting for Catholicism or were they the people that were for the government?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Joseph,
Here is the last one I can't think of anything else to ask.

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

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From: Josie T. Trevino [mailto:josiett3@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:28 AM
To: 'ranchos@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Films

Hi Arturo!

By all means......lets collaborate! I will be trying to focus on finding
ANYTHING regarding my ancestor Juan Antonio Liendo (el mayor) and his wife
Catalina de la Rosa who were from Zacatecas. That is all I know on this
couple......and this info is from a testamento of their son, Juan Antonio
Liendo (el mozo) when he was dying in Coahuila. We can work together on
this. I will leave it up to you to set up a work plan, ok? :-) Thanks!
I just knew you would volunteer!!! :-)

Josie

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:23 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Films

Josie:

I am definitely going to try to make it to the Hispanic conference in
October as well. I have been meaning to look through the same films you are
going to be researching. Since the informacion matrimonial is not indexed,
I imagine you will be scanning through the films or do you have approximate
dates of marriages that you will be looking up?

I think that those films are the source of the ever-elusive information that
I am looking for on the marriage of Isabel de Covarrubias and Jacinto
Talamantes since Jaime Holcombe writes that they were vecinos de Zacatecas
and the man he cites as Isabel's father would have been working as a
familiar de la Santa Inquisicion in Zacatecas when she was born and married.

Can we possibly collaborate on searching through these films? I am sure
there is tons of information on a lot of the old Zacatecas families on those
films.

I wanted to wish all the Fathers in the the group a Happy Fathers Day.. What a wonderful gift you're giving your children and future generations of your line by working so hard to give them a history and foundation to build on.. I'm sure the ancestors are proud, happy and humbled to be remembered.

Linda in Everett

Do you have a relative that served in the following conflicts: World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afganistan, or Iraq?
If so, please read about the VETERANS HISTORY PROJECT of the Library of Congress. LOC is attempting to collect FIRST-HAND accounts of those who served in these conflicts. LOC would also like first-hand accounts of those who participated in support-services such as: war industry, USO, or medical volunteer. Alas, my three uncles who served in WWII (one who was career Navy and served in Korea and Vietnam, too; and whose PARENTS were BORN in ZACATECAS) have died, and are unable to provide their first-hand accounts.
I would urge you to look at this LOC site for further information: www.loc.gov/vets/kit.html
Then, if you have relative who can provide a first-hand account, have them provide that story to the LOC, especially those WWII vets - who won't be with us much longer.

Natalie Castro Coleman

Marge -

I showed my husband your message about the theaters in El Paso. He too went to the same theaters, and he waxed nostalgic. He told me:

"I remember in the early forties walking into the El Alcazar theater and the 'unbearable stench of being' hitting my nose immediately. In those days before air-conditioning in most theaters, and the weather outside around 110, and the young men that frequented the theater sporting flannel socks and tennis shoes (not Nikes or sneakers, but the real tennis shoes, two strips of canvas that laced up the ankles), you had the makings for a real 'pot boiler'. We dubbed the theater "El Calzetin".

"One memory that sticks in my mind regarding the 'Colon" theater was that every time we would see some guy hitting on a girl, we would yell 'dejala -----on [an expletive that starts with an 'h'], dale tu toston, pa' que se vaya al Colon!".

"The best movie I have ever seen, or will ever see, was at the El Calzetin. It is titled 'Maria Candelaria' and features Dolores Del Rio and Pedro Armendariz. This movie is real in essence, emotional at heart, and spiritual to the core. There will never be another movie like this, international or otherwise." [It is obviously his favorite movie of all time].

This past September on the TMC channel, Robert Osborne hosted several classic Mexican movies, and I recall that Maria Candelaria was one of them. How I wish my husband had taped them. They showed a different movie every Tuesday and Thursday throughout the month. My personal favorite was a very allegorical one set in the Mexico of the 18th century, about a poor serf who had sacrificed all his life to support his family, and he never had enough to eat to satisfy him. So one day his wife stole a turkey from her master and cooked it for him to eat all by himself and he took it to the hill near his house, and when he was about to devour the turkey a stranger approached. What happens then is fantastical. That one to me is a must see. My husband can't remember the name of the movie, but I loved it. It really moved me. It had so much to say about Mexico and its people. Also, I found it amazing that in the 18th century, the rich espanoles dressed up just like George Washington
, with b
reeches and white wigs, etc. and rode around in beautiful carriages with matching horses to pull them. I guess the upper classes in all Europe and the colonies kept up with the same styles in dress, lifestyles, penmanship, etc.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----