Nuestros Ranchos Site

Enrique Legaspi Frias' GEDCOM has been moved from the Files section into the GEDCOM database so it is now viewable and searchable directly from the site with no need to download it. The file includes hundreds of names from Nochistlan, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche, El Tuiche, Toyahua, La Estancia.

With this addition, our database is up to nearly 30,000 names. Anyone else who is interested in putting their genealogy into this searchable database (available only to members), please contact me.

If anyone is interested in using the database as their genealogy software, you are more than welcome to do so. I use it as my primary database, allowing me to enter and change data from the Family History Center or National Archives or wherever it is I am working. In addition, I recenly had a hard drive crash and lost everything on my laptop. Luckily my most recent genealogy data was not there, but on a web server somewhere in California. I back up my GEDCOM to a PAF file and a CD every month or so from the server, but the online database is nevertheless my main tool. Check it out.

I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.

It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.

For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a "Ph" rather than an "F," before around 1700. That's why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).

In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.

It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.

Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.

Yoli,

I found your great grandparents marriage record today at my local family history center as this film is on permanent loan. LDS Film # 0226733. They were married 3 May 1871. Rosalio Jauregui, soltero de veinte un años, 21 years of age, originario y vecino de La Estancia, meaning Rosalio was from La Estancia, legitimate son of Salvador Jauregui who was living and Carina or Corina Vidaurre who was deceased. Pomposa Gonzales, celibate 16 years of age, also from La Estancia, legitimate daughter of Nicomedes Gonzales & Anastacia Saldivar both of whom were still living. Their padrinos were Leon Vidaurre and Francisca Jauregui. Witnesses were Antonio Ballin & Sixto Duran.

Now you know who your great great grandparents are and the more documents you find the more your will know. Maybe you can begin by ordering this film number from your local family history center at the Mormon Church.

Good luck in your continued search,
Alicia

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

There have been many new podcasts made available to the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. A great collection of
Oral History stories by Frank Moreno Sifuentes including his translation
of the Pablo Neruda poem, "It Remains Prohibited." But two new poets
(Jim Moreno and Diego Davalos) to the podcast have by far taken center
stage with their poetry. Have a listen to Jim Moreno's "Lowrider" poem
and Diego Davalos' "Reclamando La Linea" and "Cesar."

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/poetry.html

There is still much work to be done in getting the word out to the
community about the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Please
consider joining the planning committee for the project at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/ Any questions or comments can be
directed to Joseph Puentes: NFU@JosephPuentes.com

yes i am having a little trouble posting , and i will be more careful. i
just need some time to figure out this site. i will be calling my aunt carmen to
try and get some information about my family. i have sent for my spouses
ggrandparent SSN via mail. they are from Serbia. my children have a colorful mix
of heritage this is why i am researching to someday pass it to them.
researching the viramontes side is a little more difficult, i just want to get it
right thanks you to everyone whos been helping me, and for the warm welcomes.
again sorry for the mistakes, i hope this one is right. jovana

Jose:

I saw the posting of your genealogy and I think you and I are probably related. I see you gave Del Real, Gonzalez and Mayorga all in your maternal ancestry going back to Atolinga. You list as your oldest maternal ancestors as:

Salbador Gonzales b. ca 1800 in Guadalajara, Jalisco?
m. Gertrudis Vayozga

However, seeing the combination of surnames, I had a suspicion and checked the towns where my Del Real, Mayorga and Gonzalez lines were in 1800 and I believe that I struck something. It looks like you have the wife's name a bit off, but otherwise it matches and makes sense given than the descendants were in the Tlaltenango and Atolinga area later on.

I am pretty certain that your Del Real lineage goes back to Juan Martin del Real who immigrated from Spain in the early 1700s and who is an ancestor of a number of us here in the Nuestros Ranchos group... He is mine in two different ways.

SALVADOR GONZALES
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA GERTRUDIS MALLORGA
Marriage:
25 FEB 1805 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

You make a great deal of excellent points.

I've seen all the errors you've enumerated.

I heard the National Arcives in Washington D.C. were flooded today:(

my grandfather was born in jalpa. from what i was told he had a brother named ramerio viramontes. i am not sure if he was older or younger. thanks for the info on the name change i will send for a copy of his ssnumber, I don't know why i didnt think of that.

Yolanda:

Welcome to the group. It seems that you have ancestor information that goes back far enough where the resources we have available through this site and LDS will be useful. I am posting this on the research list as this is really a research-related question.

One good thing to do is to figure out what modern day municipality the "rancho" or hacienda that you are researching is in. This is necessary because records are organized this way in the LDS catalog and on this site. For example Estancia is in modern day Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

A quick search in on familysearch.com comes up with the following, which I believe is your great-grandfather. It looks like these names match your granparents. You should order the film to see who their parents were.

ROSALIO JAUREGUI
Marriages:
Spouse: PONPOSA GONZALES Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1871 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch: M606264 Film: 0226733

If so, these would be your grandfather's siblings:

1. JOSE MARTINIANO JAUREGUI GONZALES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1873 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

2. JOSE SIMON JAURIGUI GONSALES
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1874 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

As far as yout other set of grandparents, the last name RAUNO does not seem to come up in the LDS databases. Are you sure you have this name correct? There are a number of Maria Ulloas married in the late 1800s in Nochistlan but none of them to anyone by a name similar to RAUNO.

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Lyman Platt has a series of publications that more or less track the development of ecclesiastical and political divisions in Mexico:

http://www.infowest.com/personal/l/lplatt/platt.html

Vol. 2 Mexico, General Guide:Political Divisions.$14.95. Soft cover, taped binding, 8½ x 11.

This 85-page volume includes a detailed historical analysis of the development of political boundaries in modern Mexico, and those areas of the United States that used to belong to the Viceroyalty of Mexico. All known civil jurisdictions are identified from the first colonial divisions up until the organization of municipalities in the independence era, and then only the development of the various states is discussed. A complete index of these divisions at the end of the book allows the researcher to trace where ancestral homes might have been located based on this development. This understanding would permit the researcher to find records important to their genealogy.

Vol. 3 Mexico, General Guide: Ecclesiastical Divisions $34.95. Soft cover, taped binding, 8½ x 11. 256 pages, revised.

This book, available in both English and Spanish, includes a brief ecclesiastical history of Mexico, including a study of diocesan and archdiocesan development for all of Mexico up through 1912. The major portion of the book treats individual parishes for all of the ancient Viceroyalty of Mexico, including Alta California, Arizona, Nuevo Mexico, and Texas. The Federal District is divided by its various delegations and includes a comprehensive, first-ever analysis of the parishes of Mexico City proper.

In the history section there are some new entries:

Here On Earth did a great podcast that is available only with Real
Player which can be downloaded free:

Here On Earth (http://www.wpr.org/HereOnEarth/)

Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment

===> http://clipcast.wpr.org:8080/ramgen/wpr/hoe/hoe050501j.rm (Real
Player Only)

===========================

And again if you haven't listened to the podcast in Spanish: "En La
Historia" there are quite a few podcasts available in the history section:

===> "33. Juegos de azar y algo más...EN LA HISTORIA. Parte II"

===> "32. Juegos de azar y algo más...EN LA HISTORIA. Parte I"

===> "31. La ciudad y la noche...En la historia"

===> "30. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un espejo de
cantera y arte (3)"

===> "29. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un espejo de
cantera y arte (2)"

===> "28. La Catedral Metropolitana de la Ciudad de México, un reflejo
de cantera y arte (1)"

===> "27. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (3)"

===> "26. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (2)"

===> "25. Personajes de la historia y los secretos de un palacio:
Nuestro Palacio Nacional (1)"

===> "24. De Tlacopan a Tacuba, la historia de algo más que una calle.
Segunda parte."

===> "23. De Tlacopan a Tacuba, historia de algo màs que una calle.
Primera parte."

===> "22. Otro rostro de nuestra historia: el arte culinario del
virreinato."

===> "21. Un kilómetro de oro y cinco siglos de historia: la calle de La
Moneda"

===> "20. Historia, música y tradición en una sola palabra: Guelaguetza"

===> "19. Pablo Benito Juárez García: el hombre"

===> "18. CARNAVAL O CARRUS NAVALIS"

===> "17. La historia de un imperio en Mesoamérica: Tenochtitlan"

===> "16. Un escudo, tres colores y una interesante historia: La bandera
Nacional."

===> "Una semilla milenaria que brinda alegría: el amaranto."

===> "Y el amor - ¿es puro cuento?"

===> "Los secretos de una excitante bebida: el café"

===> "De cantera gris y tezontle rojo. El Zócalo y su historia."

===> "Historia ¿para qué?."

===> "De reyes, sabios y magos. Una de las tradiciones más bellas EN LA
HISTORIA."

===> "Los festejos para un nuevo año EN LA HISTORIA"

===> "La navidad EN LA HISTORIA"

===> "De José Guadalupe a Salvador Rivera"

===> "Del pulque al vino tinto, sin olvidar la taberna"

===> "La Delicia de cada Noviembre"

===> "Día de Muertos"

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Have a listen to the "Low Riders" poem by Jim Moreno in the Poetry
section of the NFU podcast:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/poetry.html

------------------------

While in the Poetry section listen to a Pablo Neruda poem translated and
read by Frank Moreno Sifuentes, "It Remains Prohibited"

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/poetry.html

=======================

also there follows many new Cuentos de Kiko in the Oral History area:

Some new podcasts by Frank Moreno Sifuentes:

===> "Las Lagrimas de Mama Grande Juanita - 1938" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Mama Grande Lupe - Influenza" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "1915 - Mexican Immigrant" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Immigrantes Mejicanos" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Day Roosevelt Died - 1944" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "With Due Respect to Erma Bombeck" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Black Squad - 1948" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "From Drive By Shootings to Toxic Clouds" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "My Unusual Birth - 1932" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Three Musketeers" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Early School Memories - 1938" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Chrismas Memories - 1943 - Losers Weepers Finders Keepers" by
Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "El Lote Grande de Nuestra Vecinidad" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Shoe Shine Boy in a White Man's Barber Shop - 1945" by Frank
Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Canicas Con Stella by Starlight" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Pedro Chaisse - Mexican Immigrant 1924" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Canicas Con Connie Castillo - Christmas 1947" by Frank Moreno
Sifuentes
===> "My Personal Resolve - Korean War Revisit" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Halloween Night - 1944" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "It Remains Prohibited" by Pablo Neruda
===> "Japanese Love Goddess - 1951" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "La Calle Ancha Del Pasado" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "La Nieve" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Las Cucarachas" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Las Lindas Mujeres" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "My Testimony To The 9-11 Event" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "Puppy Love At A Distance - 1945" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes
===> "The Bean Contest" by Frank Moreno Sifuentes

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:37:50 EDT
> From: Latina1955@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea....we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn't inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality....I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango....but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:47:39 -0600
> From: "Jose Aguayo"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
> To: , "Alicia Carrillo"
>
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>
> Hola Sra. Carillo:
> I am a new member of the group with special interest in the Zacatecan
> cities
> you noted in your dream tour. I would be interested in going if someone
> organizes such a tour. Keep me informed if your plans grow legs.
> Jose Aguayo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alicia Carrillo"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Albums
>
>
> > Vamonos Helyn,
> >
> > And anyone else in the group. Helyn and I were dream
> > talking..........while dream talking we were putting together a group
> tour
> > to Mexico. We would hire a group van and driver to take us to our
> > collective ancestral cities or towns such as Tlaltenango, Momax,
> Colotlan,
> > Jalpa, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Teocaltiche, Nochistlan etc etc.
> >
> > When we went for my brother's wedding in Guadalajara in 1997, my husband
> > hired the van driver at the airport. The driver hired someone to take
> his
> > place for those 7 days. We rented a suburban, came back, picked him up
> > allowing him time to pack his bags and notify his family that he would
> be
> > away for 7 days.
> >
> > While most of the time was spent either in or close to Guadalajara, we
> did
> > go to Tonala, Nochistlan, Tlachichila and Zapotlanejo. We paid for his
> > meals and lodging if outside of Guadalajara, if in Guadalajara he went
> > home for the evening.
> >
> > So you see this dream talking has legs, it is doable if we think this is
> > something we might want to do.
> >
> > The dreamer,
> > Alicia
>

Alicia,

I would be most available during the last two weeks of July, early August (I
am a teacher who takes classes and am assuming some leadership
responsibilities within our district throughout early summer). This trip would fulfill my
dreams not only personally, but professionally as well (particularly if
Esteban Valedez does indeed commit to the group).

Most importantly, I get to meet "la prima Helyn" and the rest of this
wonderful, supportive cyber space community!

Esperanza Villarreal Luna
Chicagoland area

I have run into a few ancestors who moved to the Totatiche area from Gutierre de Aguila in the early 1700s. I remember discussing with someone that the name of this town had changed to Villanueva (Zacatecas). I was looking through the films for Villanueva and it seems that the early years of that parrish are missing... the only films available appear to be informaciones matrimoniales.

Has anyone looked at Villanueva films? Am I correct that is the modern name of Gutierre de Aguila? What other jurisdiccions might people have been baptized in if they were born on an Hacienda in the region of Gutierre de Aguila?

http://www.youtube.com/v/tAq3hWBlalU

not sure if you'll be able to access this funny video without a high
speed connection but its pretty funny and interesting how they adapted
this to a Spanish song.

joseph

ps: isn't the accordian orignally a Jalisco or Zacatecas instrument? Or
was it Aguascalientes? hmmm I guess you can see what is involved in
making a message go from out in space to being even just a little bit
related to the subject.