Nuestros Ranchos Site

I think this one has let me in?

~~glo~~

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It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees--Emilano Zapata

Does anyone have access to the dispensation records for people married in
Tepetongo-Parish of Jerez) around 1829? 
 
I have a marriage record for the brother of my ggg-grandfather, Jose
Valentin Olague.  The brother's name is Dionisio Olague, and he married a
Ma. Juliana Valdes on 7/26/1829 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.  He was born in
Salitrillo in 1809 and she was born in Aguichote (sp?) in 1813.  His
parents were Paulin Olague and Espiridiana [Maria del Espiritu Santo] Mata, her
parents were Jose Maria Valdes and Dionisia Zuniga.  The padrinos were
Anto. Olague and Tomasa Olague, the witnesses were Don Antonio Gomes and
Fernanda Vaes.
 
In the body of the marriage record there is a statement that I roughly
translate to: "required dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity").  I
would like to see the dispensation record.
 
thanks all,
 
Emilie Garcia,
Port Orchard, WA ---

Hi
everyone!
 
I am getting over my
jet lag......finally!   I arrived in Switzerland almost a week ago but
it takes me quite a while to get back to normal!  :-)
 
I had an e-mail from
Kitty Cortez asking which cities will be researched while we are in SLC in
October.  Kitty and Rich have offered to get the films ready for us but
they need to know which film you will need. 
 
TO THOSE
WHO ARE INTERESTED IN GOING ON THE TRIP TO SLC IN OCTOBER: 
Please  check over your research that you will be doing and let
us know which places you will need film for.   It is possible that
Kitty and Rich already have that film at the FHC and this will certainly speed
things for you.
 
I know it is still
quite a few months until October but it is not to early to get prepared. 
So please look over the work you will be doing in SLC and give us an idea of
which places you will need film for......Thanks!
 
Josie

Linda,
what I found is that when I posted my info on Ancestry.com's website,
soon after, the info I had provided was being offered for sale.
I have a cousin who had the same experience.
Therefore, I have learned: do not give ancestry.com ANY info: they will sell it back to you and to anyone else they can.

Maria Anna

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I haven't been able to figure out a way to share my research records so I posted them on Ancestry.com and put the list of names from the index into my file account in Nuestros Ranchos. When opening it warns of "Macros" bu I have no idea what that is, can someone inform me of the meaning? I'm always happy when someone contacts me to say they are just starting their seach for ancestors and my files helped them. I share them because I have the time and resources that many others may not. I find it hard when someone contacts me and then says they don't want family records online since they are public domain on Familysearch.. Has anyone else had any of these problems in doing research and sharing records? How did you resolve the issue?
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett Wa.

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Linda,
what I found is that when I posted my info on Ancestry.com's website,
soon after, the info I had provided was being offered for sale.
I have a cousin who had the same experience.
Therefore, I have learned: do not give ancestry.com ANY info: they will sell it back to you and to anyone else they can.

Maria Anna

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:15:50 -0800 (PST)
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I haven't been able to figure out a way to share my research records so I posted them on Ancestry.com and put the list of names from the index into my file account in Nuestros Ranchos. When opening it warns of "Macros" bu I have no idea what that is, can someone inform me of the meaning? I'm always happy when someone contacts me to say they are just starting their seach for ancestors and my files helped them. I share them because I have the time and resources that many others may not. I find it hard when someone contacts me and then says they don't want family records online since they are public domain on Familysearch.. Has anyone else had any of these problems in doing research and sharing records? How did you resolve the issue?
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett Wa.

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I've finally added material to the Coyote section of the podcast. I"ve
linked to a lecture from Dr. David Kalivas' podcast on the "Age of
Discovery."

Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother

Dr. David Kalivas, Ph.D. "Age of Discovery"

===> Click To Hear "Age of Discovery" part 1

===> Click To Hear "Age of Discovery" part 2

The "Age of Discovery" lecture makes the distinction between
Discovery and Conquest. The lecture also gives background into the
bringing of Slaves to the New World.

David M. Kalivas is Professor of History at Middlesex Community
College. He also serves as coordinator of their global studies program.
Dr. Kalivas is Senior Editor of the H-Net list H-World, which serves as
the primary listserve for discussion of world history and is affiliated
with the World History Association (WHA). He has over two decades of
teaching experience at Middlesex Community College and has been an
innovator in online social science curriculum development. He also has
experience with the history of Russia and Central Asia, having traveled
in and taught about both regions. Dr. Kalivas lectures on international
affairs, with an emphasis on Central Asia and the Middle East. He has
lectured widely, from invited speaker to the University of Maryland's
Humanities lecture series, to the Peabody Essex Museum, Stockholm School
of Economics in Latvia, Moscow Pedagogical University, the University of
Plymouth, Primary Source, and other areas/organizations in his region.

Dr. Kalivas' "World History Podcast" can be found on and subscribed
to via iTunes. Here is the RSS feed for the podcast:
http://online.middlesex.mass.edu/podcast/kalivas/lectures.txt

============== ============== ==============

Related to the above lecture please listen to the third item in this
Archaeology podcast "Isotope analysis reveals earliest African slaves in
New World"

30 January - 05 February 2006

News items read by Laura Kelley include:
# GPR reveals puzzle buried in Georgian Civil War cemetery (details
)
# Context of ancient Egyptian royal statue head comes into question
(details
)
# Isotope analysis reveals earliest African slaves in New World (details
)
# Canary Island crypt reveals its past (details
)

===> Listen to the News for Week of 30 January - 05 February 2006
Podcast

============== ============== ==============

Coyote, Mulatto, Negro

The Indigenous* community need go no further than the baptism records of
the late 18th century and early 19th century to find that a significant
percentage of the population was Black. The scribes had many terms to
describe the percentages of a persons racial lineage:

1. Mestizo: Spanish father and Indian mother
2. Castizo: Spanish father and Mestizo mother
3. Espomolo: Spanish mother and Castizo father
4. Mulatto: Spanish and black African
5. Moor: Spanish and Mulatto
6. Albino: Spanish father and Moor mother
7. Throwback: Spanish father and Albino mother
8. Wolf: Throwback father and Indian mother
9. Zambiago: Wolf father and Indian mother
10. Cambujo: Zambiago father and Indian mother
11. Alvarazado: Cambujo father and Mulatto mother
12. Borquino: Alvarazado father and Mulatto mother
13. Coyote: Borquino father and Mulatto mother
14. Chamizo: Coyote father and Mulatto mother
15. Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother
16. Ahi Te Estas: Coyote-Mestizo father and Mulatto mother

My eyes were opened widely when I found out my paternal GGG-Grandmother,
Maria Benita del Refugio Miranda (dob: January 7, 1801) from the
Tepetongo, Zacatecas area was called a "Coyote." Then I discovered
others from this area were referred to as Mulatto and Negro. On my
maternal side I found that my Mt-DNA halogroup was L1a which also
pointed me to this description:

"This haplogroup dates to approximately 40,000 years ago, and is
detected in highest frequency in sub-equatorial Africa."

We as people of the Indigenous* race need to open our eyes and realize
that a significant percentage of us should look on members of the Black
Race not only as our fellow brothers in the human race, but also as
possible "Primos" as common blood courses through our veins.

Coming soon to the Nuestra Familia Unida Podcast Project will be poetry
and educational material of the highest possible level to discuss the
African presence and life in Colonial Mexico and Latin America.

*(as in Latina/Latino, Hispanic, Chicana/Chicano, Mexicana/Mexicano, and
all other descriptors identifying the peoples of the America's and
Western Hemisphere.)

I've also just linked to parts 5 and 6 of the "history of Peru" from the
"History According to Bob" podcast

have a listen:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/history.html

History According to Bob

==> http://www.summahistorica.com/

If you love history you'll love this podcast. Bob Packett makes history
come alive. I would encourage you to subscribe to the "History According
to Bob" podcast. Here is the show's RSS Feed:
http://www.summahistorica.com/podcast/rss.xml

From the Summahistorica webpage we have the following description:

"Join us for a Podcast Journey through History.
Professor Bob tells fascinating stories of historical people, places,
and customs.

I've finally added material to the Coyote section of the podcast. I"ve
linked to a lecture from Dr. David Kalivas' podcast on the "Age of
Discovery."

Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother

Dr. David Kalivas, Ph.D. "Age of Discovery"

===> Click To Hear "Age of Discovery" part 1

===> Click To Hear "Age of Discovery" part 2

The "Age of Discovery" lecture makes the distinction between
Discovery and Conquest. The lecture also gives background into the
bringing of Slaves to the New World.

David M. Kalivas is Professor of History at Middlesex Community
College. He also serves as coordinator of their global studies program.
Dr. Kalivas is Senior Editor of the H-Net list H-World, which serves as
the primary listserve for discussion of world history and is affiliated
with the World History Association (WHA). He has over two decades of
teaching experience at Middlesex Community College and has been an
innovator in online social science curriculum development. He also has
experience with the history of Russia and Central Asia, having traveled
in and taught about both regions. Dr. Kalivas lectures on international
affairs, with an emphasis on Central Asia and the Middle East. He has
lectured widely, from invited speaker to the University of Maryland's
Humanities lecture series, to the Peabody Essex Museum, Stockholm School
of Economics in Latvia, Moscow Pedagogical University, the University of
Plymouth, Primary Source, and other areas/organizations in his region.

Dr. Kalivas' "World History Podcast" can be found on and subscribed
to via iTunes. Here is the RSS feed for the podcast:
http://online.middlesex.mass.edu/podcast/kalivas/lectures.txt

============== ============== ==============

Related to the above lecture please listen to the third item in this
Archaeology podcast "Isotope analysis reveals earliest African slaves in
New World"

30 January - 05 February 2006

News items read by Laura Kelley include:
# GPR reveals puzzle buried in Georgian Civil War cemetery (details
)
# Context of ancient Egyptian royal statue head comes into question
(details
)
# Isotope analysis reveals earliest African slaves in New World (details
)
# Canary Island crypt reveals its past (details
)

===> Listen to the News for Week of 30 January - 05 February 2006
Podcast

============== ============== ==============

Coyote, Mulatto, Negro

The Indigenous* community need go no further than the baptism records of
the late 18th century and early 19th century to find that a significant
percentage of the population was Black. The scribes had many terms to
describe the percentages of a persons racial lineage:

1. Mestizo: Spanish father and Indian mother
2. Castizo: Spanish father and Mestizo mother
3. Espomolo: Spanish mother and Castizo father
4. Mulatto: Spanish and black African
5. Moor: Spanish and Mulatto
6. Albino: Spanish father and Moor mother
7. Throwback: Spanish father and Albino mother
8. Wolf: Throwback father and Indian mother
9. Zambiago: Wolf father and Indian mother
10. Cambujo: Zambiago father and Indian mother
11. Alvarazado: Cambujo father and Mulatto mother
12. Borquino: Alvarazado father and Mulatto mother
13. Coyote: Borquino father and Mulatto mother
14. Chamizo: Coyote father and Mulatto mother
15. Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother
16. Ahi Te Estas: Coyote-Mestizo father and Mulatto mother

My eyes were opened widely when I found out my paternal GGG-Grandmother,
Maria Benita del Refugio Miranda (dob: January 7, 1801) from the
Tepetongo, Zacatecas area was called a "Coyote." Then I discovered
others from this area were referred to as Mulatto and Negro. On my
maternal side I found that my Mt-DNA halogroup was L1a which also
pointed me to this description:

"This haplogroup dates to approximately 40,000 years ago, and is
detected in highest frequency in sub-equatorial Africa."

We as people of the Indigenous* race need to open our eyes and realize
that a significant percentage of us should look on members of the Black
Race not only as our fellow brothers in the human race, but also as
possible "Primos" as common blood courses through our veins.

Coming soon to the Nuestra Familia Unida Podcast Project will be poetry
and educational material of the highest possible level to discuss the
African presence and life in Colonial Mexico and Latin America.

*(as in Latina/Latino, Hispanic, Chicana/Chicano, Mexicana/Mexicano, and
all other descriptors identifying the peoples of the America's and
Western Hemisphere.)

I've also just linked to parts 5 and 6 of the "history of Peru" from the
"History According to Bob" podcast

have a listen:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/history.html

History According to Bob

==> http://www.summahistorica.com/

If you love history you'll love this podcast. Bob Packett makes history
come alive. I would encourage you to subscribe to the "History According
to Bob" podcast. Here is the show's RSS Feed:
http://www.summahistorica.com/podcast/rss.xml

From the Summahistorica webpage we have the following description:

"Join us for a Podcast Journey through History.
Professor Bob tells fascinating stories of historical people, places,
and customs.

Yes I realize that these daily messages have been a bit of a pain. .
.believe me they are a pain for me too. But I feel the need to make sure
that no one has any excuse for not understanding THAT on 31 March 2006
the Yahoo Ranchos group will be closing to email distribution
communication.

I expect that some will not make the move over to the new site. . .call
it a self removal from the group. I've emailed everyone in the list that
wasn't moved over so I feel comfortable that no leaf has been left
unturned. Then again shortly after the 31st I expect some to "suddenly"
wake up and say, "what happend to Ranchos?"

If you are currently a member of Ranchos you are automatically a member
of the Nuestros Ranchos group. It is not like you need to apply for
membership you're already in. If someone doesn't know about the closing
yet here is the information you need to get yourself a password so you
can log in:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

Please DO NOT create a new account. Your account is already set up with
your YahooGroups userid but you will have to request a new password in
order to log in. The new password will be sent to the email registerd on
your YahooGroups account and once you receive your password you can log
and change it to whatever they like. In order to do this:

1. From the main page, click on "Request New Password" just below
the login area.
2. Enter your YahooGroups username or the email address registered on
YahooGroups ranchos.
3. Click on e-mail new password.
4. You will receive an email with your new password.
5. Log on with your YahooGroups username and the password received in
the email.
6. Click on "My account" (Second or third sidebar menu item)
7. Click on the "Edit" tab and enter new password (in both fields
provided) and click submit.
8. Review other information in the Account Settings category. Change
your language, time zone, etc. as necessary. Please do NOT change
your email address. During the transition, the email addresses
registered on this site and on YahooGroups must match or messages
will be rejected by one site or another. This restriction will be
lifted once the transition is complete.
9. Review the information in the Personal Information category. Enter
your name, location and geographic areas and surnames of research.
10. Review the Mailing Lists settings, and subscribe to the mailing
lists per the instructions below. This is very important. If you
do not sign up for the mailing lists, any messages that you post
will not get distributed to the group!

Instructions for signing up for the mailing lists is as follows:

1. Click on the mailing lists menu option on the right hand menu or
click on the mailing lists menu item when editing your account in
step 8 above.
2. Click on the type of subscription you would like for each of the
three mailing lists. You must initially subscribe to receiving all
email or daily digests. Once you have gone confirmed your
subscription (next step) you can change back your settings to "No
Email" which allows you to send messages to the list but not
receive any messages from the list, i.e. you will be able to read
messages only by going onto the website.
3. You will receive a message asking for confirmation of your email
address for each of the mailing lists to which you subscribe. If
you sign up for all three, you will receive three separate
messages. Simply reply to each message to confirm your subscription.
4. Once you have registered for a list, the messages that you post
will get distributed to the group. You can post in any of the
three Forums or via email to any one of the three lists and the
messages will automatically get posted to the website and get
distributed to those signed up for the new Nuestros Ranchos list
as well as the old YahooGroups list. The posting addresses are
general@nuestrosranchos.org, research@nuestrosranchos.org, or
announce@nuestrosranchos.org.

For instructions on navigating and posting content click here
.

Yes I realize that these daily messages have been a bit of a pain. .
.believe me they are a pain for me too. But I feel the need to make sure
that no one has any excuse for not understanding THAT on 31 March 2006
the Yahoo Ranchos group will be closing to email distribution
communication.

I expect that some will not make the move over to the new site. . .call
it a self removal from the group. I've emailed everyone in the list that
wasn't moved over so I feel comfortable that no leaf has been left
unturned. Then again shortly after the 31st I expect some to "suddenly"
wake up and say, "what happend to Ranchos?"

If you are currently a member of Ranchos you are automatically a member
of the Nuestros Ranchos group. It is not like you need to apply for
membership you're already in. If someone doesn't know about the closing
yet here is the information you need to get yourself a password so you
can log in:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

Please DO NOT create a new account. Your account is already set up with
your YahooGroups userid but you will have to request a new password in
order to log in. The new password will be sent to the email registerd on
your YahooGroups account and once you receive your password you can log
and change it to whatever they like. In order to do this:

1. From the main page, click on "Request New Password" just below
the login area.
2. Enter your YahooGroups username or the email address registered on
YahooGroups ranchos.
3. Click on e-mail new password.
4. You will receive an email with your new password.
5. Log on with your YahooGroups username and the password received in
the email.
6. Click on "My account" (Second or third sidebar menu item)
7. Click on the "Edit" tab and enter new password (in both fields
provided) and click submit.
8. Review other information in the Account Settings category. Change
your language, time zone, etc. as necessary. Please do NOT change
your email address. During the transition, the email addresses
registered on this site and on YahooGroups must match or messages
will be rejected by one site or another. This restriction will be
lifted once the transition is complete.
9. Review the information in the Personal Information category. Enter
your name, location and geographic areas and surnames of research.
10. Review the Mailing Lists settings, and subscribe to the mailing
lists per the instructions below. This is very important. If you
do not sign up for the mailing lists, any messages that you post
will not get distributed to the group!

Instructions for signing up for the mailing lists is as follows:

1. Click on the mailing lists menu option on the right hand menu or
click on the mailing lists menu item when editing your account in
step 8 above.
2. Click on the type of subscription you would like for each of the
three mailing lists. You must initially subscribe to receiving all
email or daily digests. Once you have gone confirmed your
subscription (next step) you can change back your settings to "No
Email" which allows you to send messages to the list but not
receive any messages from the list, i.e. you will be able to read
messages only by going onto the website.
3. You will receive a message asking for confirmation of your email
address for each of the mailing lists to which you subscribe. If
you sign up for all three, you will receive three separate
messages. Simply reply to each message to confirm your subscription.
4. Once you have registered for a list, the messages that you post
will get distributed to the group. You can post in any of the
three Forums or via email to any one of the three lists and the
messages will automatically get posted to the website and get
distributed to those signed up for the new Nuestros Ranchos list
as well as the old YahooGroups list. The posting addresses are
general@nuestrosranchos.org, research@nuestrosranchos.org, or
announce@nuestrosranchos.org.

For instructions on navigating and posting content click here
.

I just got some valuable information that has allowed me to definitively connect a couple of my lineages to the Escobedo clan of Francisco Escobedo, founder of Monte Escobedo. This family married into nearly all of the prominent families in Jerez, Zacatecas so I have been persuing around the web and have come up on a couple of useful resources.

One is an online exposition of the genealogical research of someone whose roots are in Jerez... so there is tons of genealogical information on those old Jerez families: Carlos y Godoy, Llanos y Valdes, Escobedo, De Avila, De la Torre, etc.

Heraldica y Genealogia Cabral Valdes
http://cabral.galeon.com/

The other is the history of the foundation of Jerez written by Leonardo de la Torre Berumen. I have posted this in the Books and Articles files section. It has the names of the first settlers in Jerez, which are many of the same names in the previously mentioned website.

I just got some valuable information that has allowed me to definitively connect a couple of my lineages to the Escobedo clan of Francisco Escobedo, founder of Monte Escobedo. This family married into nearly all of the prominent families in Jerez, Zacatecas so I have been persuing around the web and have come up on a couple of useful resources.

One is an online exposition of the genealogical research of someone whose roots are in Jerez... so there is tons of genealogical information on those old Jerez families: Carlos y Godoy, Llanos y Valdes, Escobedo, De Avila, De la Torre, etc.

Heraldica y Genealogia Cabral Valdes
http://cabral.galeon.com/

The other is the history of the foundation of Jerez written by Leonardo de la Torre Berumen. I have posted this in the Books and Articles files section. It has the names of the first settlers in Jerez, which are many of the same names in the previously mentioned website.

As the countdown gets closer to zero, I want to emphasize to everybody how important it is to sign up for the new mailing lists. In a few days the Yahoo!Groups ranchos list will no longer distribute any messages and unless you have signed up for the new mailing lists on the Nuestros Ranchos site you will no longer receive emails with new postings AND you will NOT BE ABLE TO POST to any of the new lists.

I know that Joseph has moved over a number of people to the site and in the process signed them up for the mailing lists, but the process requires that the person who is signed up respond to the confirmation emails they receive. This is to ensure that the email address is valid and that the person ideed requested to be signed up for the lists.

If you do not reply to these messages, you are NOT signed up for the lists, even if it shows that you are on the Nuestros Ranchos website. If you cannot find the confirmation messages that you received initially, please log on to Nuestros Ranchos and click on "Mailing Lists" and unsubscribe yourself from the lists, click "Submit" and then go back into "Mailing Lists" and re-subscribe yourself. You should receive a new set of confirmation messages in a few minutes. All you need to do is click REPLY in your email program and send off the message... simple as that... but if you don't complete this step your sign up process in NOT complete.

Please email me privately at arturo.ramos@verizon.net if you need help or have questions.

We are also putting together a detailed user guide for the new website. It is far from complete but there is some valuable information there already. You can find it in the "Reference Materials" section of the Files area of Nuestros Ranchos.

As the countdown gets closer to zero, I want to emphasize to everybody how important it is to sign up for the new mailing lists. In a few days the Yahoo!Groups ranchos list will no longer distribute any messages and unless you have signed up for the new mailing lists on the Nuestros Ranchos site you will no longer receive emails with new postings AND you will NOT BE ABLE TO POST to any of the new lists.

I know that Joseph has moved over a number of people to the site and in the process signed them up for the mailing lists, but the process requires that the person who is signed up respond to the confirmation emails they receive. This is to ensure that the email address is valid and that the person ideed requested to be signed up for the lists.

If you do not reply to these messages, you are NOT signed up for the lists, even if it shows that you are on the Nuestros Ranchos website. If you cannot find the confirmation messages that you received initially, please log on to Nuestros Ranchos and click on "Mailing Lists" and unsubscribe yourself from the lists, click "Submit" and then go back into "Mailing Lists" and re-subscribe yourself. You should receive a new set of confirmation messages in a few minutes. All you need to do is click REPLY in your email program and send off the message... simple as that... but if you don't complete this step your sign up process in NOT complete.

Please email me privately at arturo.ramos@verizon.net if you need help or have questions.

We are also putting together a detailed user guide for the new website. It is far from complete but there is some valuable information there already. You can find it in the "Reference Materials" section of the Files area of Nuestros Ranchos.

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Sorry . . . it appears that
the file was not attached to the previous email.  Sorry

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Dear Somos Primos readers. 



Other than Somos Primos notification, this is the first time that I
have sent out a letter to readers. I do this because of the importance
and potential of finally giving good historical
visibility of our Hispanic/Latino heritage in Washington, DC.



Attached is information concerning a Commission to Study the Potential
Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino Community Act of
2005.



It will be voted on March
30th.



It was sent by Rep. Javier Becerra, Democrat from California. 

Historical inclusion is a nonpartisan issue. 



The creation of a National Museum of the American Latino would finally
present out history where awareness is critical, in Washington, D.C.



Please contact the Representatives from your
state and send this information to all your friends, organizations,
co-workers, etc.  Ask them all to contact their representatives.  The
list of co-sponsors are included. 



Please act quickly.  Let your Representative
know that your history, our history. . . .  matters.



Hopeful for positive changes  . . .   Mimi

   

The Yahoo Group: Ranchos will be closing on 31 March 2005



After that time the message email distribution functionality for the
YAHOO group will be discontinued. In it's place is the beautiful site
that Arturo Ramos, our webmaster, has built: http://nuestrosranchos.org



If you haven't requested a password for the site go here and follow the
following instructions:



http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

Please DO NOT create a
new account. Your account is already
set up with your YahooGroups userid but you will have to request a new
password in order to log in. The new password will be sent to the email
registerd on your YahooGroups account and once you receive your
password you can log and change it to whatever they like. In order to
do this:

1. From the main page, click on “Request New Password” just below
   the login area.
2. Enter your YahooGroups username or the email address registered
   on YahooGroups ranchos.
3. Click on e-mail new password.
4. You will receive an email with your new password.
5. Log on with your YahooGroups username and the password received
   in the email.
6. Click on “My account” (Second or third sidebar menu item)
7. Click on the “Edit” tab and enter new password (in both fields
   provided) and click submit.
8. Review other information in the Account Settings category.
   Change your language, time zone, etc. as necessary. Please do NOT
   change your email address. During the transition, the email addresses
   registered on this site and on YahooGroups must match or messages will
   be rejected by one site or another. This restriction will be lifted
   once the transition is complete.
9. Review the information in the Personal Information category.
   Enter your name, location and geographic areas and surnames of
   research.
10. Review the Mailing Lists settings, and subscribe to the mailing
    lists per the instructions below.
    This is very important. If you do not sign up for the mailing lists,
    any messages that you post will not get distributed to the group!

Instructions for signing up for the mailing lists is as
follows:

1. Click on the mailing lists menu option on the right hand menu or
   click on the mailing lists menu item when editing your account in step
   8 above.
2. Click on the type of subscription you would like for each of
   the three mailing lists. You must initially subscribe to receiving all
   email or daily digests. Once you have gone confirmed your subscription
   (next step) you can change back your settings to “No Email” which
   allows you to send messages to the list but not receive any messages
   from the list, i.e. you will be able to read messages only by going
   onto the website.
3. You will receive a message asking for confirmation of your
   email address for each of the mailing lists to which you subscribe. If
   you sign up for all three, you will receive three separate messages.
   Simply reply to each message to confirm your subscription.
4. Once you have registered for a list, the messages that you
   post will get distributed to the group. You can post in any of the
   three Forums or via email to any one of the three lists and the
   messages will automatically get posted to the website and get
   distributed to those signed up for the new Nuestros Ranchos list as
   well as the old YahooGroups list. The posting addresses are
   general@nuestrosranchos.org, research@nuestrosranchos.org, or
   announce@nuestrosranchos.org.

For instructions on navigating and posting content click here.

I found these old coins while on vacation in Teocaltiche and Jalostotitlán, Jalisco last year. I think this is one important subject that we have not talked about in the forum, MONEY! The coins are located in the John Gonzalez file.

-------- Original Message --------

I have now added the film database to the new Nuestros Ranchos website.

The functionality is still in the works. Users cannot yet add films to the database themselves, but that functionality is on its way... I will try to get to it this weekend.

However, I wanted to get people to try the database as it stands now and give me some feedback.

You will notice that for the films where we have batch numbers, you can simply click on the IGI button and the entire contents of that film available on IGI will come up. You can then refine the search however you like, such as putting in a father's first name or a mother's last name, etc.

As Victor had mentioned, if you are searching on a batch specific basis you can basically enter as little information as you want... so if you have a rough idea of when and where someone was born or married you can search through a couple of batches with very little information and find the person even if the name is misspelled, etc.

Please give it a try and let me know what you think as well as what additional functionalities you would like from this film database. I cannot promise anything but I will try to meet your needs.

TESTAMENTOS Y AUTOS DE BIENES DE DIFUNTOS DE ZACATECAS (1550-1604)

by Enciso Contreras, José

@Arturo,

I tried adding the URL above in the Links section but couldn't find a way to do it. If you think the resource is useful please add it yourself.

Victor

Okay I just know that some of you are going to want to either try it
yourself or let one of us move you. The Yahoo Group is closing in
exactly two (2) weeks. After that time the group will be be closed to
email delivery and everyone's subscription will be set to "No Mail."
That means that to participate in the group you'll have to post to the
new group.



Make your decision today. If you want to try
yourself fine and you'll have a few more days to give it a try, but if
you want one of us to move you I would like to know now. just email me privately
at makas@nc.rr.com and say "move me." [See bottom of email for the info
I need if you want me to move you].



Please make your decision. (see bottom of email for that form letter
with the two choices)



so far these are the folks (33 out of 109 members) that have taken the
plunge and decided one way or the other. . .so if your name is not on
this list you need to send me a private
email at makas@nc.rr.com and make your decision:

On the 31 March 2006 the Ranchos Yahoo group will cease to function as a
group.

At this point we have roughly 40%-50% of the group members moved over
(this is not good news).

So after that date any messages you post to the email address
(ranchos@yahoogroups.com) will not work

After 31 March 2006 all messages to the Ranchos group need to go through
the Nuestros Ranchos website email distribution lists:

research@nuestrosranchos.org (for
messages strictly related to genealogical questions and inquiries)

general@nuestrosranchos.org (for
messages of a historical general nature or of the culture of the region)

announce@nuestrosranchos.org (for
announcements or messages related to events of interest to group members)

Here are some great instructions by Arturo that can be found at the website:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

Instructions for transition of account from YahooGroups

Please Do NOT create a new account. Your account is already set up with
your YahooGroups userid but you will have to request a new password in
order to log in. The new password will be sent to the email registerd on
your YahooGroups account and once you receive your password you can log
and change it to whatever you like. In order to do this:

1. From the main page, click on "Request New Password" just below
the login area.
2. Enter your YahooGroups username or the email address registered on
YahooGroups ranchos.
3. Click on e-mail new password.
4. You will receive an email with your new password.
5. Log on with your YahooGroups username and the password received in
the email.
6. Click on "My account" (Second or third sidebar menu item)
7. Click on the "Edit" tab and enter new password (in both fields
provided) and click submit.
8. Review other information in the Account Settings category. Change
your language, time zone, etc. as necessary. Please do NOT change
your email address. During the transition, the email addresses
registered on this site and on YahooGroups must match or messages
will be rejected by one site or another. This restriction will be
lifted once the transition is complete.
9. Review the information in the Personal Information category. Enter
your name, location and geographic areas and surnames of research.
10. Review the Mailing Lists settings, and subscribe to the mailing
lists per the instructions below. This is very important. If you
do not sign up for the mailing lists, any messages that you post
will not get distributed to the group!

Instructions for signing up for the mailing lists is as follows:

1. Click on the mailing lists menu option on the right hand menu or
click on the mailing lists menu item when editing your account in
step 8 above.
2. Click on the type of subscription you would like for each of the
three mailing lists. You must initially subscribe to receiving all
email or daily digests. Once you have gone confirmed your
subscription (next step) you can change back your settings to "No
Email" which allows you to send messages to the list but not
receive any messages from the list, i.e. you will be able to read
messages only by going onto the website.
3. You will receive a message asking for confirmation of your email
address for each of the mailing lists to which you subscribe. If
you sign up for all three, you will receive three separate
messages. Simply reply to each message to confirm your subscription.
4. Once you have registered for a list, the messages that you post
will get distributed to the group. You can post in any of the
three Forums or via email to any one of the three lists and the
messages will automatically get posted to the website and get
distributed to those signed up for the new Nuestros Ranchos list
as well as the old YahooGroups list. The posting addresses are
general@nuestrosranchos.org, research@nuestrosranchos.org, or
announce@nuestrosranchos.org.

For instructions on navigating and posting content click here
.

====================

If anyone has any problems whatsoever email me Privately at
makas@nc.rr.com and I'll work with you to get moved over to the new group.

thanks,

joseph

Recently there's been some discussion about Nueva Galicia and whether the group should admit topics other than those related to Jal., Zac. & Ags. (which I think we already do anyway) so I thought this was interesting because it shows some illustrations of what originally was considered Nueva Galicia.

nayarita.com

Saludos,
Victor

what does the phrase "Abuelos seigneron fueron padrinos ..." mean in a baptism document. Are they both abuelos and padrinos? I would have attached the document, but I don't see a way of doing that. With the email system it was easy to do. Well, that's progress.

And thanks for the discussion on wildcards. It has really helped.By the way, I have a marriage document where the bride's father is no conocido, but later he is listed as abuelo on the baptism of one of the children. There is always hope.

George

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ranchos group:

Nueva Galicia: Would Opening the Membership up to All of
Nueva Galicia adversly affect your membership in the Ranchos
group? [note: This is not a vote to change but a poll to get
an understanding of how you all feel about this subject].

o Yes, Please don't do it
o Somewhat, but Whatever the majority decides
o Si y No
o Quien Sabe: Where is Nueva Galicia Anyway?
o NO! Absolutely Not: Where have you been? Open the doors to all of NG!!!

To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/surveys?id=1927268

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

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