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Hello my name is Anisabel Santamaria. I should really be doing research on my family in Sonora, (i'm kind of stuck now) however, my husband's paternal & maternal side has been interesting and fairly easy to find, of course until you hit a wall and don't know where else to go. I am looking for information from El Tuito, Jalisco on the Rubio, Castillon, & Avalos families. I did go all the way back to 1815 on the Castillon family and thought I had a connection until about 1830 defunciones, it skips about 10 years, where is probably where my answers are. The pages are consistent but somehow those 10 years are missing.

As for my husband's paternal side, Santamaria, Salgado & Preciado are from Tomatlan. His great grandfather Pablo Santamaria was supposedly a "huerfano" and it turns out they were wrong. I called the church to find out information on Pablo's brother, Enrigue Santamaria and found his baptism and their father, who is Gabriel Santamaria. Well until I find out some dates to break it down I hate to call the church without good information. I have been unable to find the marriage of Clara Salgado with Pablo Santamaria. I found census information on the entire family on both maternal and paternal side but the Santamaria leads me to a dead end without any more dates. I was told the church in Tomatlan had burned down or something but if I continue to listen to his family (BTW....it looks like I know more information on his family than they do :) they will detour me the wrong way.

This research is both tiring yet exciting when I find a link. I did make a connection to a child Maria Susana Castillon in El Tuito died 1819 and her father's name was Onofre Castillon, which is what my mother in laws grandfather's name is so I'll assume that this Onofre is the main patriarch of the clan from the 1700's. I believe the info I found on this death entry shows that they are indeed from Spain, which we all know most of them are but having something actually in writing is where all your research rewards you.

Well since I am new I hope I did this right and haven't left our or added too much on this forum. I would appreciate any information that you might have. BTW...is familysearch.org going to add Tomatlan to their database? I would love to help index for Jalisco, if we are allowed to chose the location. Thanks.

Anisabel Santamaria

Hello,
I'm very excited about becoming a member of the Nuestros Ranchos
group. I'm been doing research for about a year (whenever I have a free
second). Both my parents are from Atolinga, Zacatecas, so this is where I
started my search. According to my Family Tree Maker file, I now have 1,546
people and 16 generation on my family tree! Up to now, I have done most
of my research on familysearch.org and recently bought two of Arturo Ramos
Pinedo's books: Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango and La Familia Ramos
Gutierrez y su herencia jalisciense y zacatecana. I have found that we
have some ancestors in common, so it has been wonderful to read some of the
history and other information in these books.

*My paternal grandparent's surnames are:*
Castaneda
Carols de Godoy
Rendon
Castro

*My maternal grandparents surnames are:*
Serrano
Castaneda
Haro
Castaneda

*Other surnames in my family:*
Covarrubias
Gonzalez
Miramontes
Llamas
Sandoval
Perez Texada
Rodriguez

*Locations of my research so far*:
Atolinga, Zacatecas
Los Cerritos, Zacatecas
Cerrito Pelon, Zacatecas
El Durazno, Zacattecas
Laguna Grande, Zacatecas
Tepechitlan, Zacayecas
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Others in same area

Technology is not always my friend... Understanding how to upload,
download, covert files, etc... doesn't come easy to me, so please be
patient. I will hopefully get my files up on the site soon.

I'm looking forward to collaborating with all of you.

Alicia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AliciaCastaneda
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com

Welcome to the group.. is your El Durazno part of Jerez?
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

________________________________
From: Alicia Castaneda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] new member

Hello,
I'm very excited about becoming a member of the Nuestros Ranchos
group.  I'm been doing research for about a year (whenever I have a free
second). Both my parents are from Atolinga, Zacatecas, so this is where I
started my search. According to my Family Tree Maker file, I now have 1,546
people and 16 generation on my family tree! Up to now, I have done most
of my research on familysearch.org and recently bought two of Arturo Ramos
Pinedo's books: Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango and La Familia Ramos
Gutierrez y su herencia jalisciense y zacatecana. I have found that we
have some ancestors in common, so it has been wonderful to read some of the
history and other information in these books.

*My paternal grandparent's surnames are:*
Castaneda
Carols de Godoy
Rendon
Castro

*My maternal grandparents surnames are:*
Serrano
Castaneda
Haro
Castaneda

*Other surnames in my family:*
Covarrubias
Gonzalez
Miramontes
Llamas
Sandoval
Perez Texada
Rodriguez

*Locations of my research so far*:
Atolinga, Zacatecas
Los Cerritos, Zacatecas
Cerrito Pelon, Zacatecas
El Durazno, Zacattecas
Laguna Grande, Zacatecas
Tepechitlan, Zacayecas
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Others in same area

Technology is not always my friend... Understanding how to upload,
download, covert files, etc... doesn't come easy to me, so please be
patient. I will hopefully get my files up on the site soon.

I'm looking forward to collaborating with all of you.

Alicia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AliciaCastaneda
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com

Hi, I bought a t-shirt in Jerez with that map on it!
My family lived in El Durasno, I was there in 2003 for a visit, my Dad had not gone there since he was 16 in 1936.. His parents, Epitacio Castanon and Juana Sanchez were both from El Durazno/Durasno. They left during the revolution in 1916.
Can you tell me what surnames in El Durazno you are related too?
Family surnames in el Durasno:
Castanon
Caldera
Sanchez
Reveles
De la Cueva
Cortes
Tovar
Garcia
Alcala
thank you.. Linda Castanon-Long

________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Durazno

Linda, it is part of Jerez.  Here on the map it's about an inch straight above Jerez.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14890

Laura Gonzalez

Hello Linda and Laura,
You're correct there is "El Durazno" in "el municipio de Jerez". However
there is another small "rancho" by the same name in "el municipio de
Atolinga". It is between Atolinga and Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. My
grandmother, Rosa Haro's family was from there. I also have Castaneda
ancestors that are from this "El Durazno".
Alicia

--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this is my EMAIL (
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com).
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez

There is also an area (town? neighborhood? former rancho?) in Yahualica,
Jalisco by the named El Durazno.
Raquel Ruiz

Hello Everyone,

My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site. I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees. I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012. However, I am determined to get back into my research. I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search. Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching. My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side. I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.

My paternal side is the Fabian/Torres. On this tree, most branches are from the de la Torre side of the family. They are de la Torre, Medina, Hernandez, Ruiz de Esparza leading me to Lope Ruiz de Esparza, Maldonado Sapata, Gentil, Lopes de Elizaldi, Sotelo, Jaen, Montanes, Sotomayor, Ruelas, Sandi, Macias, Avila, Rubalcava, Esquibel, Acosta, de la Cadena, Carillo and Sanches. Also Huerta, Ximenez, Gonzales, de los Reyes, Garcia, Collazo, Guerrero and Chaves. Most of my ancestors are from Aguascalientes, Pinos, Zacatecas, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The Fabian, Perez, Jaques, Ruelas, side of the family are from San Miguel de Mezquital (Miguel Auza), Zacatecas. These records only go into the mid-1800’s. Much of the information that I have on the Martin I and Lope Ruiz de Esparza I, I obtained from various genealogical sites including this site, and I am still not sure who the originator of this family is as I have seen two different versions, such as Simon Ruiz de Esparza and Sancho Ruiz de Esparza. A lot of the information on Juan Montanes I got from an article written by Mary Lou Mantagna’s for a Somos Primos newsletter, which was helpful in both verifying my own research and helping me to get this family straight.

The Sandoval/Aguilera tree are mostly from Nochistlan, Zacatecas and surrounding areas such as Cuquio and Mexticacan, and other towns in that area. This tree is very interesting and confusing as there are many branches descending from Diego Delgadillo/Petrona de Islas. There are six branches that descend from this one family on this tree. All leading back to Bernardino de Islas, Moscoso Sandoval, and into LeBasares, etc. There is another branch that descends from Luis Delgadillo. This tree also has Yanes, Perez de Frias, Ballin, Aguayo, Duran, Casillas, Gonzales, Marin, Penaflosa, Ruiz, Ximenes and Felis. This tree also connects with families in the Fabian/Torres tree through Sotomayor and Montanes.

In the Orozco/Alvarez tree most ancestors are from Lagos de Moreno. This is also an interesting tree that stems from the Alvarez side of the family, as the Orozco side did not go far. The Alvarez does not extend so far either, but there was an Alvarez married to a Villalobos, which made the search interesting. Beginning with Avalos, Cervantes, Villasenor, Retamosa, Cardenas Avila, Macias Valadez. Also, Martin de Campo, Vallin, Lopez de la Cruz, Tiscareno and leading back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza through a different branch. It is very interesting how these three trees tie back to the same founding families.

My maternal side is the Frausto/Lozano’s. This tree is from Leon, Guanajuato and I have not gotten them further back than the early 1800’s, but some ancestors go back to Tepic, Narayit and then to Guadalajara and then into San Francisco del Rincon and Leon and Silao. Surnames are Aguirre, Fuentes, Nunes, Torres, Castillo, Urrutia, Velasques, Lopez, and Sanches. I know this is not the field of interest for this site, but I thought that I would mention it here, as it is my fourth tree. So, these are my areas of research and hope to be able to connect with anyone who also shares some of these surnames and areas of research.

Rose Mary,

In going through your post I was trying to decipher whether you had done your own research or whether the information you had was from other people's research you had found on -line.

I can tell you that for me personally, while I love to find and read on the internet other people's findings, I don't include it as factual in my research until I personally go through and one by one, identify each person from the actual records and place each individual in their respective place on the family tree and have a record of the document that can corroborate the findings as shown on the family tree.

Not saying that you haven't done that, just saying that it's my method to ensure that I'm on the right track and that it is indeed my family I'm tracking and identifying as mine.

Good luck in your search and re-search and thanks for the introduction.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: RoseMary Fabian
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member

Hello Everyone,

My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site.  I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees.  I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012.  However, I am determined to get back into my research.  I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search.  Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching.  My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side.  I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records.  I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints
on family relations and through logical timelines.

My paternal side is the Fabian/Torres.  On this tree, most branches are from the de la Torre side of the family.  They are de la Torre, Medina, Hernandez, Ruiz de Esparza leading me to Lope Ruiz de Esparza, Maldonado Sapata, Gentil, Lopes de Elizaldi, Sotelo, Jaen, Montanes, Sotomayor, Ruelas, Sandi, Macias, Avila, Rubalcava, Esquibel, Acosta, de la Cadena, Carillo and Sanches. Also Huerta, Ximenez, Gonzales, de los Reyes, Garcia, Collazo, Guerrero and Chaves.  Most of my ancestors are from Aguascalientes, Pinos, Zacatecas, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  The Fabian, Perez, Jaques, Ruelas, side of the family are from San Miguel de Mezquital (Miguel Auza), Zacatecas.  These records only go into the mid-1800’s.  Much of the information that I have on the Martin I and Lope Ruiz de Esparza I, I obtained from various genealogical sites including this site, and I am still not sure who the originator of this family is as I have seen
two different versions, such as Simon Ruiz de Esparza and Sancho Ruiz de Esparza. A lot of the information on Juan Montanes I got from an article written by Mary Lou Mantagna’s for a Somos Primos newsletter, which was helpful in both verifying my own research and helping me to get this family straight. 

The Sandoval/Aguilera tree are mostly from Nochistlan, Zacatecas and surrounding areas such as Cuquio and Mexticacan, and other towns in that area.  This tree is very interesting and confusing as there are many branches descending from Diego Delgadillo/Petrona de Islas.  There are six branches that descend from this one family on this tree. All leading back to Bernardino de Islas, Moscoso Sandoval, and into LeBasares, etc.  There is another branch that descends from Luis Delgadillo.  This tree also has Yanes, Perez de Frias, Ballin, Aguayo, Duran, Casillas, Gonzales, Marin, Penaflosa, Ruiz, Ximenes and Felis.  This tree also connects with families in the Fabian/Torres tree through Sotomayor and Montanes.

In the Orozco/Alvarez tree most ancestors are from Lagos de Moreno.  This is also an interesting tree that stems from the Alvarez side of the family, as the Orozco side did not go far.  The Alvarez does not extend so far either, but there was an Alvarez married to a Villalobos, which made the search interesting.  Beginning with Avalos, Cervantes, Villasenor, Retamosa, Cardenas Avila, Macias Valadez.  Also, Martin de Campo, Vallin, Lopez de la Cruz, Tiscareno and leading back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza through a different branch.  It is very interesting how these three trees tie back to the same founding families.

My maternal side is the Frausto/Lozano’s.  This tree is from Leon, Guanajuato and I have not gotten them further back than the early 1800’s, but some ancestors go back to Tepic, Narayit and then to Guadalajara and then into San Francisco del Rincon and Leon and Silao.  Surnames are Aguirre, Fuentes, Nunes, Torres, Castillo, Urrutia, Velasques, Lopez, and Sanches.  I know this is not the field of interest for this site, but I thought that I would mention it here, as it is my fourth tree.  So, these are my areas of research and hope to be able to connect with anyone who also shares some of these surnames and areas of research.

RoseMary Fabian

I was astonished at your email “welcoming” me to Nuestros Ranchos. I trust most members are not so confused as you seem to be.

Your message insinuates that I substitute other people’s findings for my own research. Let me assure Nuestros Ranchos members that nothing could be further from the truth.

I do my own research as I stated in the first paragraph of my introduction. Perhaps I could have been clearer, but I state it again here, “I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.”

I have found that the only way to do research is to trace your family by verifying data. How else would you know if you are following your own family line? It would be absurd to use information from other sites and place them on my tree without verifying if they are indeed a branch of my family line and to verify that fact by searching for those baptisms and marital information.

That is not to say that once you get back to the late 1500’s and early 1600’s where records are less informative or less available that you can get hints from reading books, visiting Family History Libraries, and looking at other genealogical sites to get information to guide you in your research. And even then that does not mean that what you find is necessarily the truth, as expert genealogists have been known to make mistakes. But there are some very good genealogists out there who share their knowledge and experience.

It is unfortunate that you chose this medium, sent to all Nuestros Ranchos members, to air your confusion. A personal email would have been appreciated.

My apologies Rose Mary,

You are probably correct, most members would most likely not be as confused as I am.

From what you state in this message, you conduct your own research to verify all your data. So sorry if this was hurtful and embarrasing to you, this was not my intent to make you feel bad, especially when this was your introduction to Nuestros Ranchos and someone questions your methods.

One of the reasons we send to all is because sometimes we learn from the postings to all and sometimes those who are new to research believe that everything that's out there has been verified and this does not appear to be the case with you. You are just new to Nuestros Ranchos but not new to researching and that you have excellent research skills.

Again, I apologize if I was disrespectful to you, it wasn't my intent.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response

RoseMary Fabian

I was astonished at your email “welcoming” me to Nuestros Ranchos.  I trust most members are not so confused as you seem to be. 
Your message insinuates that I substitute other people’s findings for my own research.  Let me assure Nuestros Ranchos members that nothing could be further from the truth.
I do my own research as I stated in the first paragraph of my introduction.  Perhaps I could have been clearer, but I state it again here, “I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records.  I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.”

I have found that the only way to do research is to trace your family by verifying data.  How else would you know if you are following your own family line?  It would be absurd to use information from other sites and place them on my tree without verifying if they are indeed a branch of my family line and to verify that fact by searching for those baptisms and marital information.

That is not to say that once you get back to the late 1500’s and early 1600’s where records are less informative or less available that you can get hints from reading books, visiting Family History Libraries, and looking at other genealogical sites to get information to guide you in your research. And even then that does not mean that what you find is necessarily the truth, as expert genealogists have been known to make mistakes.  But there are some very good genealogists out there who share their knowledge and experience. 
It is unfortunate that you chose this medium, sent to all Nuestros Ranchos members, to air your confusion.  A personal email would have been appreciated.

RoseMary Fabian

Alicia,

I appreciate your message and apology. I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me. I don't think that genealogy is rocket science. It is detective work and logic. It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.

The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.

I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began. Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well. This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books. As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly.

I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.

I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.

RoseMary.. I'm sure you will be a great addition to our ranks of researchers who are willing to share information in order to reclaim our heritage for ourselves and future generations.
Welcome
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nev
researching,  Jalisco, Zacatecas and where ever else the records take me!

________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response

RoseMary Fabian

Alicia,

I appreciate your message and apology.  I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me.  I don't think that genealogy is rocket science.  It is detective work and logic.  It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.

The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.
I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began.  Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well.  This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books.  As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly. 
I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.

I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.

Rose Mary.

We are glad you joined and we hope that you are also glad you joined and that you get something from the group who is always so giving of their time and of their expertise.

Buena Suerte,
Alicia

________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response

RoseMary Fabian

Alicia,

I appreciate your message and apology.  I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me.  I don't think that genealogy is rocket science.  It is detective work and logic.  It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.

The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.
I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began.  Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well.  This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books.  As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly. 
I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.

I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.

Welcome, RoseMary! I am searching a different part of the target areas for this group, but I just wanted to welcome you-- there is an amazing wealth of information here, both on the site itself and its members. Good luck to you!

Rosalinda

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Hello Everyone,

My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site. I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees. I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012. However, I am determined to get back into my research. I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search. Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching. My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side. I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.

Hello,
My name is Pauline and I am new to this group. I am now an official "serious" researcher.
I am researching the names Alvarez, Diaz, Orozco, Marioner & Magallanes. The towns are Momax, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, La Playa, Tabasco-Zacatecas. I do not know the ranch but I do know that one existed in the 1870's location unknown and again in the 1930's in La Playa. I am particularly interested in my maternal grandfather's birth record and lineage as for some reason he was a very secretive man and would not discuss his heritage, birth place or family. My mother in her entire life only met one of his first cousin's (Maximo Diaz) and his cousin's father (his uncle) Erculano Diaz. My mother tells me (information from his 2nd wife) that his grandfather (Gregorio ?) came over as part of Carlota's army- when Maximillian was killed- he fled and went into hiding. Rumor has it that he stole several cantarros of money and lived his life in fear. This Gregorio died in Tabasco and only spoke French. My grandfather immigrated to the US in 1917 but frequently went back and forth
having lived in Mexico in the 1930's, 1940's (Zacatecas) and again from 1960-s through the mid 1970's (Chapala, Jal). He married my grandmother Elvira Lopez in Los Angeles in 1931, later divorcing her and marrying Opal Kinney in the late 1950's in Chihuahua. My grandfather also used several dates of birth in his border crossings.
I would appreciate any advice on where to begin and if any of the following people and dates ring a bell:
ALVAREZ FAMILY
Delfino Orozco Alvarez (My grandfather)
Born: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman 9/27 or 9/16 of 1910 0r 1906
Death: Los Angeles, CA 4/9/1990
Parents:
Mariana Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- Jul 3, Circa 1890
Death: Los Angeles- March 25, 1928
Marcus Alvarez (Orozco ?)- No information
Born: Tlaltenango- Circa 1880's-1890's
Maternal Grandparents:
Felicitas M. (Last name unknown)
Born: Zacatecas- Circa 1870's
Cirilo Alvarez
Born: Zacatecas-Circa 1870's
DIAZ FAMILY
Maximo Diaz Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- May 5, 1914
Death: Los Angeles, -1990'
Parents:
Erculano Diaz and Luisa Alvarez-Born: Circa 1890's
This is all I have-I appreciate any help. Should I send this in Spanish?
Thanks,
Pauline

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