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Hola Primo ,how are you ? Well I hope. I wanted to know which Escoto y Tovar Line do you descend from. I descend from Ygnacio Escoto y Tovar( and Beatriz Morales). Ygnacio Escoto is the son of Antonio Escoto y Tovar and Inez Ortiz de Rodas. Ygnacios son Juan Escoto (and Maria Ramirez(Arias de Valdez)are my connection. MY question is Ygnacios Escoto y Tovar's wife Beatriz Morales related to Ygnacios Escotos y Tovar sister in law Maria Morales (wife of Juan Escoto y Tovar Ygnacios brother) ?

Thank you for your time

Tu Primo mil veces

Ronnie Reynoso

I need 10 people to send me an email to joseph@nuestrosranchos.org and just
says if you DID or DID NOT receive an email with this subject line:

"Hospitals near Cuquio"

Remember send that message DIRECTLY to me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Recently I asked if anyone had any info on the following line, but there were no takers...I am resending my earlier post, in the hopes that some someone could shed me some light on this lineage:
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Estimados colegas,
Suplico su ayuda sobre una rama que no he podido vincular.

Últimamente he estado revisando y arreglando datos sobre dos parejas con nombres muy parecidos: Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y de los Ángeles) y Mariana de Villalobos (y Carrillo de Sandi) & Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y Tiscareño) y María de Villalobos (y Martín del Campo/López de la Cruz). Veo que en mi genealogía tengo precisamente a dos antepasados con estos apellidos, pero sin vínculo a su tronco principal.
Mi rama de Romo de Vivar, hasta que tengo investigada, proviene de Jalostotitlán y San Juan los Lagos. Se trata de DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR y MARIANA DE VILLALOBOS (mis octavos abuelos), nombres parecidos a los arriba mencionados, pero sin parentesco comprobado. No he podido superar más allá de Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos. No sé donde nacieron…solo tengo fechas aproximadas. Tampoco he tenido suerte buscando entre las dispensas, porque sus descendientes se casaron con personas de Jalos y San Juan que no eran parientes.

Diego Romo de Vivar nació hacia 1688 y Mariana de Villalobos nació hacia 1692, ambos posiblemente en Teocaltiche o Aguascalientes. Se casaron hacia 1709. Tengo documentados a siete hijos, bautizados principalmente en Jalostotitlán y en San Juan de los Lagos, con la excepción de la hija #2 Beatriz, bautizada en Teocaltiche. Este bautizo, por supuesto me hace suponer que Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos obviamente son de Teocaltiche, feligresía de origen de sus familias respectivas. En resumen sus siete hijos:

1. Diego Ignacio Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1710 en Teocaltiche?, Jalisco, México
..... +Juana-Lauredia de Alba Nació: 4 Feb 1708 en Tecameca, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 15 Jun 1732 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Joseph de Alba - & - Madre: Águeda Casillas y González
2. Beatriz Romo de Vivar Nació: 10 Oct 1712 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México
..... +Francisco Xavier Álvarez Reynoso Nació hacia 1713 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 14 Feb 1735 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
Padre: Juan-Manuel Álvarez - & - Madre: María de Reynoso y Rentería
3. [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar Nació: 3 May 1717 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Fue bautizado: 3 May 1717 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
. *1ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Marcela de Velasco Nació hacia 1720 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron hacia 1739 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
Padre: Manuel de Velasco y Orantes - & - Madre: María de Palafox y Mendoza
. *2ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Inés Muñoz de la Barba Nació: 15 Jun 1712 en La Laja, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Fue bautizada: 30 Jun 1712 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 22 Sep 1741 en Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Lázaro Muñoz de la Barba - & - Madre: Tomasa de Jesús Sánchez de Hermosillo
. *3ª esposa de [1] Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar:
..... +Petronila de Islas Nació hacia 1735 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 2 Ene 1760 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
4. Polonia Estefanía Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1720 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
5. María-Margarita Romo de Vivar Nació hacia 1723 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
6. Anna Juliana Romo de Vivar Nació: 3 Oct 1726 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
..... +Juan-Joseph de Aceves Nació hacia 1724 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Se casaron: 3 Feb 1745 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México
Padre: Joseph de Aceves - & - Madre: María-Teresa Gutiérrez
7. Mónica Gertrudis Romo de Vivar Nació: 29 May 1729 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México

Disculpen que no incluya fuentes documentales en este resumen, y además los datos son de antes que los Microfilms fueran digitalizados. En el ir y venir de la vida, he estado revisando los Microfilms en línea poco a poco, buscando los documentos e integrando las fuentes cuando disponga de tiempo.

Yo desciendo de Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar (Aparicio Romo) y de su segunda esposa, Inés Muñoz de la Barba (Inés Barba). Cuando se casaron el 22 de septiembre de 1741, en Jalostotitlán, Inés era viuda de Joseph Ramírez Cornejo.
Sebastián de Aparicio Romo de Vivar e Inés Muñoz de la Barba tuvieron cuatro hijos, de los cuales yo desciendo a través de Anna-Juliana Romo de Vivar [Juliana Romo], bautizada el 24 de abril de 1747, en Jalostotitlán [nacida el 11 de abril en el Puesto de Jerusalén, Jalos]. Se casó con Antonio Gervasio Díaz de León y Trujillo [Antonio Díaz-Trujillo] el 2 de mayo de 1770 en Jalostotitlán. Antonio Gervasio [nacido el 18 de junio de 1732, en La Estancia Vieja, Jalos, y bautizado el 6 de julio de 1732] fue hijo de Felipe de Santiago Díaz de León y Trujillo (y de Loza) y de María Xaviera González Rubio (y de Araujo Mayorga).

¿Alguien sabe algo sobre Diego Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos? ¿No me pueden siquiera orientar?

Gracias de antemano...
Steven Francisco Hernández López

Did you come across anyone named Juan Anselmo Pinedo? He's my 5th GGF and lived in Jerez, Zacatecas at the time of your ancestors. He had a son named Bartolo or Bartolome Pinedo, who is y 4th GGF. Thanks, 

Chris Pineda

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  1. marriage dispensation for Maria Florencia Pinedo    and her 2nd
      husband Gervacio Rodarte (josecarlos1944@hotmail.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:46:40 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage dispensation for Maria Florencia
    Pinedo    and her 2nd husband Gervacio Rodarte
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Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht's research; she found this dispensation.  It was an important link because Maria Florentina Pinedo (my 4th GGM),  widow of my 4th GGF Jose Juan Fernandez, and her second husband Gervacio Rodarte.  It included a Family Trunk and named 3/4 generations pedigree.  Most importantly it identified Celedonio Fernandez my 5th GGF.  That connection enabled me to connect Erlinda Castanon-Long as my cousin.  And Erlinda's research was a fountain of connections to other cousins!  In the past two weeks I've increased my cousin count by hundreds! Some I've traced to present day.  I still have hundreds more to add.

This is the website Katy Brecht found:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-25043-16?cc=1874591&wc….

BTW, the only 2 browsers that work are either Google Chrome or FireFox Mozilla.

Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht and to Erlinda Castanon-Long!

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Testing

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Everything OK at Campezina's.

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Grandmother Guadalupe Davila/Avila, 1/Oct 1902, Villa Del Refugio,ZAC.(married to Angel Villegas) was one of 10 daughters born to Nicolasa Flores, 20 Dec 1885, Plateado and Librado Avila, 7 Nov 1881, Santiago, ZAC who was killed during the Revolution. She came to the USA as a teenage mother and her family remained in Mexico. I can not locate information about these sisters except for her oldest sister Francisca, 16 Apr 1901, Villa Del Refugio. What sources might provide information on the other 8 sisters? Thanks. Evie

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Canuta Padilla Gallo (adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx)

Saludos a Ezequiel y Adrian,

Con mi primo, Ezequiel ya he comunicado varias veces. Yo tambien soy bisnieta de Benigno Gutierrez Padilla, hijo de Maria Canuta Padilla Gallo y Jose Ana Gutierrez Gtz. Podremos compartir imformacion si gustan. A los Gutierrez del Aguila, La Estancia Vieja y los Padilla los he estado estudiando desde hace mucho.

Irma Gomez Gtz
California

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Adri?n M?rquez Padilla

Me gustaria confirmar si tu bisabuelo Benigno Guti?rrez Padilla, era hermano de Norberto Padilla Guti?rrez, esposo de Librada Gutierrez, de ser asi me gustaria contactar contigo para intercambiar datos.

Saludos

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] benigno gutierrez padilla
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Hola Adrian gusto en saluarte, y te confirmo que mi bisabuelo benigno gutierrez y Norberto Gutierrez si fueron hermanos, y como bien tu dices Norberto caso con Librada Gutierrez y aunque tal vez ya tienes esta informacion te la doy por si acaso no fuera asi. Norberto es de el 7 de junio de 1865 y caso con Librada el dia 12 de febrero de 1890 en jalos. ella era hija de Evaristo Gutierrez y de Maria Melquiades Gonzales. Y como informacion complementaria te platico que esta Maria Melquiades Gonzales era hermana de mi bisdabuelo Juan Gonzales por el lado materno de mi papa. saludos y con gusto compartiere lo que poseo de informacion Adrian cuando tu gustes saludos

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I am looking to find the names of towns which had hospitals (near Cuquio) that were around in the 1930's.

Many thanks!

Ok

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1. Re: Received test messages 1 and 2 (Juan Correa)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:52:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Juan Correa
To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
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Received test message

? ?Juan Carlos

On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:36 AM, Linda wrote:

Received test messages 1 and 2

Everything A-OK here.

Linda

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:55 -0600
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
??? for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
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I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: George and Rosalva Jordan
To: "Announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Announce Test 3: for Joseph
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Test
Y-DNA: J2b1b (Formerly J2e2/J2b2)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1a
FTDNA Kit: 48584
YSearch: PEEH3
Mitosearch: WFSBR

Armando,

I just went through the link you cited. Its helpful . I better get going getting test for my parents as they are both only children.
Thank you,
Gilbert Arguelles

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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: $99 DNA test (Gilbert Arguelles)
> 2. Re: $99 DNA test (Armando)
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>I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
>mentioned on the list.
>
>Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria through
>the
>test?
>
>Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it be
>a
>clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?
>
>
>Message: 2

>Hello Gilbert, in order to know if you, Joseph, and Gloria having
>autosomal
>markers in common they would also have to get a Family Finder test.
>Even if
>they get the test there is no guarantee they are going to show as
>matches
>even if they truly are related to you. Not all markers are passed down
>from
>all of your ancestors. If they do show as matches then they are
>possibly
>related to you. Having other people with some of the ancestors showing
>up
>as matches on the same segment of a specific chromosome will help raise
>the
>likelihood being related through the line that is in common in all of
>you/
>
>See the following article for an example.
>
>http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
>
>Having your parents test could help prove which side of the family your
>matches are related to you. If you, one parent and a third person all
>have
>markers in common in a certain segment of a certain chromosome then it
>is
>that side of the family that you are likely related to the third
>person.
>It's a process of elimination with the help of known relatives and
>others
>with shared trees and all getting the Family Finder test that help show
>an
>extreme likelihood of being related.
>
>Saludos,
>Armando
>
>> Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria
>through the
>> test?
>>
>> Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it
>be a
>> clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?

Recently, Alice Wissing was telling me that NONE of her posts are ending up on the Posts Forum for a very long time now. That happened to me last night.

She emailed me this information, and requested if I post it on her behalf...Aquí está.

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The book, "Genealogical Fictions- Limpieza de Sangre, Religion and Gender in Colonial Mexico" by Maria Elena Martinez has information on Dr. Santiago de Vera, who is mentioned in Mariano Gonzalez-Leal's "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" as being a progenitor of the Padilla Davila line. Leal's book contains a diagram of a Padilla tree that leads to Dr. Santiago de Vera.

Dr. Santiago de Vera's father, paternal grandparents, and paternal great grandparents are revealed in the "Genealogical Fictions" book. The Inquisition investigated Dr. de Vera's ancestors when he applied to work as an advisor for the Holy Office in Mexico. Although he arrived in Mexico with many documents stating he and his wife were of pure background (probanzas stating no stain of Moorish or Jewish blood), an investigation was launched that showed his family had a long history with the Inquisition.

Dr. Santiago de Vera
Father: Juan de Santiago
Paternal grandparents: Diego Hernandez and Isabel de Cazalla (her parents tried by Inquisition and reconciled)
Paternal great grandparents: Juan de Sevilla and Violante Ruiz (both tried for crypto-Judaism and reconciled with church)
Paternal great-great grandparents: Names not mentioned, but it says Juan Sevillas' parents were tried by the Inquisition and reconciled, and Violante's parents were condemned for heresy.

In summary: His paternal great grandparents Juan de Sevilla and Violante Ruiz were both tried for crypto-Judaism and reconciled with the church. Juan de Sevilla's parents were also tried by the Inquisition and reconciled.Violente Ruiz's parents were condemned for heresy. Isabel de Cazalla's parents were, according to witnesses, also tried by the Inquisition and reconciled.

Dr. Santiago de Vera's wife was Isabel Rodriguez. Her parents and grandparents descended on all lines from Conversos, according to witnesses questioned during the investigation.

Dr. Vera was described by the Inquisition as, "confeso, descendant of people condemned and reconciled for following the Law of Moses." This information makes me wonder if other ancestors from Los Altos had converso lineage, as well. For those who aren't familiar with the term "converso", it means a Jew who converted to Catholicism, most likely under duress. This makes our family trees very interesting.

Alice Wissing

¿Por qué no aparecen mis envíos recientes? Desde ayer yo puse dos comentarios y envié un tema nuevo al foro, pero no aparecen. ¿A caso, hay límite a la cantidad o el tamaño de envíos que se pueden realizar?

Why don’t my recent posts appear? Since yesterday I posted two commentaries and sent a new topic the group, but they don’t appear. By chance, is there a limit to the size or number of posts that can be posted?

SFHL

Hello Everyone,

I have been actively searching for information on my Villalobos,Romo de Vibar and Martin del Campo ancestors. Specifically for the two couples Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar from El Agostadero de Mecatebasco Zactecas and Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo from Aguascalientes but I have encountered a brick wall.

Let me start with Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar.

Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar are parents of my 6th great-grandmother Maria Antonia de Jesus de Villalobos chris on 21 Feb 1756 in Santa Maria Macatabasco Villa del Refugio,Zac. Maria Antonia married Juan Jose de Esparza (son of Ysidro de Esparza Martin del Campo and Maria de Gertrudis Lozano Delgado)on March 28 1781 in Calvillo,Aguascalientes.

Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria de Villalobos other children:

Name: Maria De La Luz Billalobos Romo
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Dec 1770
Christening Place: SANTA MARIA MECATABASCO,VILLA DEL REFUGIO,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

Name: Joseph Geronimo Villalobos Romo
Gender: Male
Christening Date:16 Oct 1760
Christening Place:SANTA MARIA MECATABASCO,VILLA DEL REFUGIO,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

and Maria Ygnacia Villalbos who married Marcos Muñoz Landeros and died in Aguascalientes on July 7, 1848.

Now, Juan Jose de Esparza (husband of Antonia de Villalbos)is son of Ysidro de Esparza Martin del Campo and Maria de Gertrudis Lozano Delgado and grand-child of Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo through his father's side, and of Cristobal Lozano and Beatriz Delgado Lopez de Lizalde through her mother's side.

Ysidro de Esparza and Gertrudis Lozano married in Aguascalientes on 26 Dec 1730.

I have traced Gertudis Lozano's ancestry to the Delgado,Lopez de Lizalde,Ruiz de Esparza,Tiscareño de Molina and other Spanish families from Aguascalientes, but I can't go any further from Ysidro de Esparza's parents Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo, I encounter a brick wall, as well as for Francisco de Villalbos and Maria Romo de Vibar's. I have looked through most of the dispensas and padrino's information, but with no success.

I am wondering if these family lines (Villalobos,Romo de Vibar,Martin de Campo)go back to the early Spanish families in Aguascalientes of Romo de Vibar,Martin del Campo and Villalobos. I would assume they must have some connection since their children and grandchildren married into prominent families of Aguascalientes like Delgado and Lopez de Lizalde.

I would greatly appreciate your help!

Thank you!

Roberto Rosales Villalpando
Riverside,CA

Received test messages 1 and 2

Everything A-OK here.

Linda

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:55 -0600
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: George and Rosalva Jordan
To: "Announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Announce Test 3: for Joseph
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Test
Y-DNA: J2b1b (Formerly J2e2/J2b2)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1a
FTDNA Kit: 48584
YSearch: PEEH3
Mitosearch: WFSBR

I want to thank Daniel Mendez for his hard work checking and rechecking records especially when they are shared records. Due to his work I found I have a serious error on my/our Mendez line when I connected them to the Rolon line in Jalisco. I really thought I had checked and double checked but Daniel found a marriage dispensation for our ancestor Jose Guadalupe Mendez married and widowed with Francisca Valencia, in his second marriage to Altragracia Figueroa she states that Francisca Valencia was her aunt. when their lineage was shown her Mother was not the Josefa Figueroa I thought she was...

I am going to miss the Rolon family even though Daniel had found he is related to them through another line.. they no longer belong to me. Lot's of corrections to be done to my files on Rootsweb.com since I list who family is..
Daniel thank you again
Linda Castanon-Long in Boulder City, Nv

Mi familia es de Femat de Aguascalientes y uno de mi bisabuelos Antonio Fermin Femat se caso con Monica Vivar de Romo 16 Oct. 1715 en Aguascalientes.  Los papas de ella Mariana or Maria Ana Villalobos y Nicolas Romo de Vivar y se casaron 31 Dec 1685 en Asuscion,, Aguascalientes,  No entiendo Maria Ana y Mariana Villalobos son dos personas?   Los papas de Nicolas eran Diego Vivar de Romo y Maria de los Angeles Reyes?  Me puede ayudar con estas preguntas?  Helen Fisher

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   1. Re: Leonor Guti?rrez de la Vega (xalos68@hotmail.com)
   2. Gracias por las aclaraciones...y algo sobre los G?mez Rend?n.
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Message: 1
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2014 16:18:45 -0800 (PST)
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Hay documentacion que diga que Maria Rubio, esposa de Pedro Hern?ndez, fue hija de Francisco Gutierrez Rubio y Ana Gonzalez Floridad?

Sergio Gutierrez

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias por las aclaraciones...y algo
        sobre los G?mez Rend?n.
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Primeramente, gracias por indicarme el error sobre la ascendencia de Nicol?s Romo de Vivar, casado con mi t?a Mar?a Antonia del Carmen Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y G?mez Rend?n.  Es algo enredoso distinguir cuales hijos corresponden a cada una de las dos parejas con nombres tan parecidos, Nicol?s Romo de Vivar y Mar?a de Villalobos y Nicol?s Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos.  Con estas similitudes se confundir?a cualquiera.  ?De veras que enredo!  Por eso gracias a ti, Armando, a tus valorables investigaciones, y las de Bill Figueroa y todos, sobre este linaje.  Yo NO soy ning?n experto sobre estos linajes?Uds. s? lo son. Ahora ya, poco a poco, estoy desenredando y arreglando los errores provocados por esta situaci?n complicada.

[Pr?ximamente, les preguntar? sobre DIEGO Romo de Vivar y MARIANA de Villalobos.  Ellos son efectivamente una pareja distinta con nombres distintos viviendo en lugares distintos a los matrimonios de los otros dos Nicol?s Romo de Vivar, y sus respectivas esposas Villalobos.  Desde 1709-1710 m?s o menos hasta 1729, Diego y Mariana tuvieron por lo menos 7 hijos en Teocaltiche/San Juan de los Lagos/Jalostotitl?n. Sus descendientes se avecindaron en San Juan de los Lagos y Jalostotitl?n.  No logro vincularlos.  Se los dejo de tarea?]
Obviamente, toda la genealog?a de Los Altos de Jalisco es nuestra genealog?a?la compartimos todos, y est? basada tanto en nuestros propios esfuerzos, como en los trabajos de los que nos han ayudado y los que nos han antecedido?los logros tanto como los errores.  Est?n los trabajos de Jaime Holcombe y Mariano Gonz?lez como punto de partida para todos.  En cuanto salieron sus trabajos geneal?gicos, comenz? la ?Cacer?a de Ratas [Cacer?a de Erratas]? como me dijo Don Mariano una vez en broma, refiri?ndose a la encuentra de errores.  Todos cometemos errores, y todos los hemos hecho en nuestras notas.  Pero hacemos lo mejor que podemos, esperando que con el tiempo alguien nos ayude a aclarar las cosas.  Gracias.

Regresando al tema de los Gonz?lez de Hermosillo de Teocaltiche/Ayo el Chico/Arandas, parece que por la coincidencia de personajes y lugares que se han manifestado, estamos de acuerdo que Don Juan Antonio Gonz?lez de Hermosillo, el que cas? con Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n, ?tuvo que ser? nieto de Diego Alonso Ram?rez de Hermosillo y Luisa Mu?oz de Nava.  Las posibilidades se han quedado en que:

Opci?n A)  Juan Antonio era hijo de Melchor Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y Mar?a Rangel, cuyo nombre "real" era Mar?a Tiscare?o Romo de Vivar, hija de Juan Tiscare?o de Molina y de Isabel Romo de Vivar, nieta de Lorenza Ru?z de Esparza y Luis Tiscare?o de Molina.  
Opci?n B)   Juan Antonio era hijo de Juan Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y de Antonia ?lvarez Tostado y Luna.  Me pregunto yo? ?Qu? tal si le pusieron Juan por su padre y Antonio por su madre?  Solo una pregunta que me hice.
Opci?n C) Juan Antonio era hijo de Francisco Mu?oz de Hermosillo y de Margarita de Tiscare?o, varios de sus hijos y descendientes utilizaron el apellido Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y de avecindaron principalmente en Aguascalientes.
Opci?n D)  Juan Antonio era hijo de Andr?s Mu?oz de Hermosillo y de Lorenza Tiscare?o, hermana entera de Mar?a, hijas las dos de Juan Tiscare?o de Molina y de Isabel Romo de Vivar.  Varios de sus hijos y descendientes utilizaron el apellido Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y de avecindaron principalmente en Aguascalientes.

Tristemente, por m?s que quisiera, no tengo el v?nculo con Juan-Antonio verificado, ni el de su esposa Gertrudis.  Por eso estoy aqu??sacando mis SOSPECHAS y OPINIONES al aire libre para ver qu? opinan al respecto.
Juan Antonio puede ser hijo de una de estas parejas aunque todas ya ten?an un hijo llamado Juan, el que buscamos se llamaba Juan-Antonio, y es posible que hayan tenido un Juan y un Juan-Antonio por hijos.  He visto casos donde hab?a hermanos con nombres muy parecidos (uno llamado Juan a secas, otro Juan-Joseph, otro Juan-Manuel, otro Juan-Antonio, etc.), cosa que claro complica nuestro caso aqu?.  Es m?s probable que Juan-Antonio sea hijo de Juan Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y Antonia ?lvarez Tostado y Luna, ya que tambi?n por esta familia puede existir otro v?nculo?por lo ?lvarez Tostado y Luna.

Como sabemos Juan Antonio Gonz?lez de Hermosillo se cas? con Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n.  El apellido G?mez Rend?n es algo inusual en Teocaltiche, y seg?n lo que he visto, parece indicar que hab?an venido de San Luis Potos? o Guanajuato, y algunos se pasaron a Zacatecas y a Nuevo Le?n.  Yo sospecho que  Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n fue hija de Francisco G?mez Rend?n y Mar?a ?lvarez Tostado y Luna, pero para esto cierto existe la posibilidad que Juan Antonio Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n eran parientes.  Eso a?n queda por verse?si es que llega a ser verdad.  Hasta el momento esto es lo que tengo sobre los posibles padres de Gertrudis, Francisco G?mez Rend?n y Mar?a ?lvarez Tostado y Luna, y su familia:

Francisco G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: ca. 1647 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                        
Padre: Francisco G?mez Rend?n         Madre: Catarina de Arriola
..                +Mar?a ?lvarez Tostado y Luna        Naci?: ca. 1662 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                Celebr? nupcias: ca. 1680 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico        
Padre: Marcos ?lvarez Tostado        Madre: Mar?a de Luna

1.         Juana G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: 1 Jul 1682 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                                
2.         Nicolasa G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: 13 Oct 1684 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                
3.         Mar?a G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: 20 Jul 1687 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                
.....                +Lucas de Gaona        Naci?: ca. 1685 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                Celebr? nupcias: ca. 1710 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, M?xico                
4.         Francisca G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: 18 Nov 1689 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                
.....        +Francisco P?rez Maldonado        Naci?: 1686 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                Celebr? nupcias: 1711 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico        Dispensa Matrimonial: 15 Abr 1711, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico.  Fueron dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual.
Padre: Luis P?rez Maldonado        Madre: Gertrudis Mor?n de Ledesma
5.         Juana G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: ca. 1695 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                                
6.         Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n        Naci?: ca. 1699 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                        
.....                +Juan-Antonio Gonz?lez de Hermosillo        Naci?: ca. 1695 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico                Celebr? nupcias: Antes de Sep 1724 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, M?xico        
Padre: N. Gonz?lez de Hermosillo        

La hija #4, Francisca G?mez Rend?n, recibi? dispensa matrimonial, al casarse con Francisco P?rez Maldonado.   La dispensa, con fecha de 15 de abril de 1711, indica que ten?an un parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual del cual fueron dispensados.  Esta dispensa aparece en el libro ?Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia?? por Mar?a de la Luz Montejano Hilton (M?xico, D.F. : 1999), p?gina 177, No. 971. Y tambi?n en https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-11648-76?cc=1874591&wc…
Tu parentesco se resume as?:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . [Antonio de Ibarra = Mar?a Escobar]
. . . . . . . .  Antonio de Ibarra . . . . 1 . . . . . Catarina de Ibarra
. . . . . . . . . .Mar?a de Ibarra . . . . . 2 . . . . . Catarina de Arriola
Gertrudis Mor?n de Ledesma . . . 3 . . . Francisco G?mez Rend?n
. .Francisco P?rez Maldonado . . . 4 . . . Francisca G?mez Rend?n
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (?Hermana de Gertrudis G?mez Rend?n?)
Fuente original - Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Di?cesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1653-1829   [Images 447-453 of 625].
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-11648-76?cc=1874591&wc…

I have been unable to find my grandmother's, Enriqueta Medina Alva, birth record, although her marriage and death record shows she was born on April 24, 1880, in Jerez, Zacatecas. Some records show her grandmother as Refugio Avila and as Refugio Alba. Her father, Faustino, died right before my grandmother's birth. Have unable to find any of his records, also. I estimate that Faustino was born about 1860 in the Jerez area. Help!! Raul Cristerna Luna

I'm doing research on my great granmother Gumecinda Dominguez Born 13 Jan 1900 Either in Jalisco or Zacatecas, Died 14 Jan 1993 in San Jose California (about 1 1/2 Years now). I have her Texas marriage record to Maximino Martinez stating she was from Cadio Zacatecas (No Place Exist) but my Grandfather stated that she was from Jalisco. I have not yet found any records of any sort stating either place of birth. Gumecinda parents were Ventera(o) Dominguez y Hilaria Martinez, No records on them either.

If anyone has any information on Gumecinda and her parents I would be much appreciated for the help.

Thank You!

I'm Trying To Look Into Further Information on My Great Grandfather Celso Aguilar, Born 27 Apr. 1908 In Jerez Zacatecas. To The Parents of Pedro Aguilar Y Mariana De Jesus Barrios. My Great Grandfather Looks To Be Afro-Mexican but Cant Find Any Records
Stating So. I Went As Far As My Great Great Great Great Grandparents on Both of Celso's Parents, Majority All Records States Espanola...If Anyone Has Any Information I Would Greatly Appreciate It.

Here's A Little More Information (All From Zacatecas)

I'm Trying To Look Into Further Information on My Great Grandfather Celso Aguilar, Born 27 Apr. 1908 In Jerez Zacatecas. To The Parents of Pedro Aguilar Y Mariana De Jesus Barrios. My Great Grandfather Looks To Be Afro-Mexican but Cant Find Any Records
Stating So. I Went As Far As My Great Great Great Great Grandparents on Both of Celso's Parents, Majority All Records States Espanola...If Anyone Has Any Information I Would Greatly Appreciate It.

Here's A Little More Information (All From Zacatecas)

-Juan Aguilar - Francisco Aguilar
Celso Aguilar (F.) Pedro Aguilar Ysidra Contreras

-Guadalupe Escovedo - Luiz Escovedo
Luciana Garcia

-Perfecto Barrios - Lugardo Barrios
(M.) Mariana Barrios Benita Espinosa

-Valenta Salazar - Roman (Romon) Salazar
Josefa Duran

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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has come across an Encarnacion Mendoza from the Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco Mexico area? I have reached a roadblock in my searching and am now going page by page in the baptismal records. I know that he has a brother named Salvador Mendoza. Encarnacion is the Father of my Great Grandfather Zenon Mendoza. I will continue to search but any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all and good luck in your searches as well. Let me know if there is anything I might help you with.

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