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Feliz Navidad to all my online family and friends!
Pat and Tino Corbera

There's a lot of discussion on the merits of various DNA tests here, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort through and make sense of it all. So, I'm appealing for a simple answer - if that's possible.

Irrespective of cost, which test is, in everyone's opinion, the most thorough/definitive/comprehensive test available for a woman? My abuelita is 95 and I want to grab this while I can.

Thanks all!

Annette

I was wondering if anybody has any information about the history of this pueblo in Jalisco. The research that I have done all points to Ocotlan as being the church that my ancestors were baptized and married in. My specific names that are related to me are Mora, Cabeza de Baca, Villaroel,Godines, and Villanueva. If anybody has ancestors form this pueblo can you please reply.

Hello David,

Paso de Cuarenta (correct spelling is with a C) is in the jurisdiction of
Lagos de Moreno. Matanzas was once also part of the jurisdiction of Lagos
de Moreno.

The border crossing of Ruperto Mendoza shows that he was born in Lagos de
Moreno on 27 March 1897. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X2NH-YM7

The year is probably a mistake. I found a Ruperto Mendoza born in Lagos de
Moreno on 27 March 1887 and baptized on 30 March 1887.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF5Y-B96

The original is on the top right of the following image -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-118099-96?cc=1874591&w…

I can't find any records on the paternal grandparents.

The maternal grandparents were Domingo Acosta and Vicenta Silva married 20
Jan 1858 in Lagos de Moreno.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCXF-K62

The original is in the top right of the following image -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-42306-35?cc=1874591&wc…

Vicenta Silva was baptized 5 April 1841

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18569-51765-37?cc=1874591&wc…

The Mendoza that wrote that he was born in Tiunfo, Baja California might
not be related to you. It might be just another person with the same name
as your ancestor. You have to be careful about not confusing people that
happen to have the same name. What other info is on that border crossing?

Regards,
Armando

Is anyone able to tell me if Tomasina Velasco y Quevedo, married to Matias Lara Xiron, and Tomasina Velasco who was married to Francisco Beltran Cuevas is the same person?

For Tomasina Velasco and Matias Lara Xiron I have that their daughter, Josefa Xiron, was born in Tecolotlan, Jalisco in 1675:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-61547-42?cc=1874591&wc…
and that she was married in 1700:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-61547-42?cc=1874591&wc…

For Tomasina Velasco and Francisco Beltran Cuevas I have the burial of Francisco in 1684:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=…
This couple had two sons that I have been able to locate:
Francisco Cuevas born 1682 in Tecolotlan

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-60477-43?cc=1874591&wc…
and another son, Juan Beltran Cuevas, who married Juana Mora in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
in 1711
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-11684-37?cc=1874591&wc…
Thank you for your help
Deedra Corona

Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht's research; she found this dispensation. It was an important link because Maria Florentina Pinedo (my 4th GGM), widow of my 4th GGF Jose Juan Fernandez, and her second husband Gervacio Rodarte. It included a Family Trunk and named 3/4 generations pedigree. Most importantly it identified Celedonio Fernandez my 5th GGF. That connection enabled me to connect Erlinda Castanon-Long as my cousin. And Erlinda's research was a fountain of connections to other cousins! In the past two weeks I've increased my cousin count by hundreds! Some I've traced to present day. I still have hundreds more to add.

This is the website Katy Brecht found:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-25043-16?cc=1874591&wc….

BTW, the only 2 browsers that work are either Google Chrome or FireFox Mozilla.

Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht and to Erlinda Castanon-Long!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Diego de Velasco o Diego de Fernández de Velasco, Diego de Velasco alcalde
de tomiño España

Muchos de Nosotros desde Zacatecas hasta Texas somos descendientes de Diego
de Velasco, pero al menos en lo que investigue en el archivo de pares de
España e investigaciones de gentes conocedores o de renombrados
genealogistas, no define quienes son sus padres

Navegando por internet me refiero a los inicios de mi trabajo fines del
años 1999 en encuentro un gedcom de los duques de Frías donde marca a
*Bernardino
Velasco Fernández* : *María Sarmiento Enríquez*

en México en el archivo de la iglesia de Jesucristo de los santos de los
últimos días dice

Cuauhtémoc González LOPEZ

Benicio Samuel Sánchez GARCIA

ellos lo tienen como *Bernardino Velázquez Fernández* : *María Sarmiento
Enríquez*

Family Tree Maker Reports and Trees

*en esta pagina también son mencionados como ancestros*

*Lucas Eduardo Villarreal*

*Mariana Vela*

*Lucia González*

Francisco Antonio de la Garza Martínez

También los menciona Luis Dessommes Zambrano

Bernardino FERNANDEZ DE VELASCO. María ENRIQUEZ y SARMIENTO DE MENDOZA

también en una recopilación de John inclan se menciona

y en mi pagina aprecian pero como Bernardino Fernández de Velasco y María
Enríquez Sarmiento, quizás ese fue mi error el de los apellidos invertidos,
pero el gedcom encontrado en 1999 no lo reviso a fondo tan solo extraigo
cerca de 1000 ancestros todos relacionados con los Fernández de velalasco
los duques de frías de aro y un sin fin de títulos proporcionados por el
rey de esa época, revisando después el internet me encuentro esta pagina en
wipedia aparece: Bernardino Fernández de Velasco y Tovar (1609 - 1652). Hijo
del anterior. Casó en 1629 con Isabel María de Guzmán con quien tuvo a Íñigo
Melchor y a Francisco Baltasar. Casó posteriormente con María Sarmiento de
Mendoza sin obtener descendencia. que también en otros documentos aparece
como María Enríquez Sarmiento de Mendoza pero son casi 100 años de
diferencia

en otra información aparece en http://wapedia.mobi/es/Ducado_de_Fr%C3%ADas

Bernardino Fernández de Velasco y Tovar (1609 - 1652). Hijo del anterior.
Casó en 1629 con Isabel María de Guzmán con quien tuvo a Íñigo Melchor y a
Francisco Baltasar. Casó posteriormente con María Sarmiento de Mendoza sin
obtener descendencia.

en libro que sale en google

Parroquias madrileñas de San Martín y San Pedro el Real

Escrito por Matías Fernández García

que Bernardino se cas el 17 de septiembre de 1648 con maría Enríquez
Zúñiga Sarmiento de Mendoza , pero que no tuvieron descendencia.

En el diccionario biográfico del Occidente novohispano de Thomas Hillerkuss
aparece los siguente solo se tomaron fragmentos donde se menciona a Diego de
Velasco o Diego Fernandez de Velasco

Diego de Velasco, alcalde de la villa de colima (para el año de 1557 ó
1558)

Don *DIEGO*

Probablemente indígena guachichil. Seguramente era cabecilla de un grupo de
indios nómadas. El 3 de enero de 1593 se hallaba en el nuevo pueblo de San
Luis Potosí. Durante una ceremonia, a él y a 114 indios más, todos
pacificados recientemente, el teniente de capitán general Don Diego Fernánde
* EGUELGALA*

Probablemente indígena guachichil. Descrito como capitán tuerto. Era
cabecilla de un grupo de indios nómadas. El 3 de enero de 1593 se hallaba en
el nuevo poblado de San Luis Potosí y durante una ceremonia, a él y a 114
indios más, todos pacificados recientemente, el teniente de capitán general
Don Diego Fernández de Velasco los repartió regalos (Powell, 1980: 273s).

*FARFÁN*, Domingo

Teniente de Don Rodrigo de Vivero y Aberrucia, gobernador de la Nueva
Vizcaya entre 1600 y 1603. Durante el juicio de residencia, fue sentenciado
por juegos prohibido; por no haber cobrado el alcance que tuvo Francisco
Negrete -depositario de bienes de difuntos, nombrado por Don Diego Fernández
de Velasco, gobernador hasta 1600- y por no haber pagado la fianza debida.
Sin embargo, a fin de cuentas salió con sentencia absolutoria, pronunciada
por el Consejo de Indias en 1606 (Porras Muñoz, 1980: 441-445).

*FERNÁNDEZ DE VELASCO*, Don Diego

Gentilhombre de la casa real. También conocido como Don Diego de Velasco.

Según Enciso Contreras (2000c: 155-158), que varias veces lo confunde con su
homónimo, el hijo del conde de Nieva, Don Diego nació en Burgos como hijo de
Juan de Velasco. Durante la década de 1570 tuvo el cargo de teniente de
gobernador de la Florida. Salió mal librado como resultado de una visita; se
le condenó a la suspensión del oficio y al destierro de las Indias. En 1579
solicitó al rey le fueran levantadas las penas impuestas, petición que le
fue concedida el 11 de julio del mismo año. Aceptado para ocupar el cargo de
alguacil mayor de la ciudad de México, con fecha del 20 de marzo de 1580.

*FERNÁNDEZ DE VELASCO*, Don Diego

Hijo legítimo de Don Diego López de Zúñiga y Velasco, conde de Nieva y IV
virrey del Perú entre 1561 y 1564, y de Doña María Enríquez de Almansa,
hermana legítima de Don Martín Enríquez de Almansa, IV virrey de la Nueva
España.

Descrito como minero, fue elegido, por fin, alcalde ordinario de primer
voto, para el año de 1592; además, también fue teniente del nuevo
corregidor, Don Diego Fernández de Velasco -por lo menos hasta septiembre de
1593-; tampoco dejó su cargo como obligado. No participó en la elección del
nuevo cabildo para el año de 1593. Fiel y veedor de las carnicerías de
Zacatecas, nombrado para el mes de septiembre de 1595.

Aún estaba en la región en 1592 y 1593. El 14 de enero de 1594, se había
trasladado a Zacatecas, para recibir del capitán general Don Diego Fernández
de Velasco, más de 376 pesos por varias cosas que entregó al capitán Miguel
Caldera, para su campaña pacificadora en las sierras de San Andrés, en 1592
(Powell, 1980: 179 y 279; Sego, 1998: 109).

Regidor del cabildo de la villa de Colima en 1561. Juez de comisión, junto
con Juan Ramírez de Alarcón, el 22 de mayo de 1562 en la villa de Colima,
para un pleito sobre ganados entre Andrés de Segura, tutor de Gonzalo de
Cáceres, y Diego de Aguilar del Castillo. Apoderado, junto con Diego de
Velasco, de Melchor Pérez de la Torre y Juan Fernández Ladrillero, para
tomar posesión, el 11 de noviembre de ese año, en la huerta de Xicotlán, de
las partes compradas, con 21,941 *casas* de cacao.(Powell, 1980: 273s).

Lo mismo sucede en el archivo de pares en España donde salen documentos del
gobernador de Yucatán también Diego

Con esto me quedan mas dudas y pienso que estoy eqivocado respecto a los
ancestros de Diego de Velasco mi ancestro también por lo cual quite de
internet lo que pude del tema

Espero no aburrir con el tema

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SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja )
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-19433-37?cc=1874591&wc…

i'm not sure how he relates to the miramontes de aro family of tlaltenango, but not sure how yet.

hola a todos
alguien sabe como puedo encontrar el testamento
de francisco de sotelo esposo de clara jaen?

o alguien tiene los padres de francisco sotelo?

que relacion tiene francisco sotelo con los moctezuma?

My two cents, Xbtobal in my family turned out to be Cristobal.

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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miramontes Connection between Lorenzo and
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> her marriage record with "X Miramontes" 02 Jul 1704 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roma records her parents The record image :
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> Name X. De Miramontes Birth Date Birthplace Age Spouse's Name Brigida De Miramontes Spouse's Birth Date Spouse's Birthplace Spouse's Age Event Date 02 Jul 1704 Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico Father's Name Mother's Name Spouse's Father's Name Lorenzo De Miramontes Spouse's Mother's Name Ana De Santiago Race Marital Status Previous Wife's Name Spouse's Race Spouse's Marital Status Spouse's Previous Husband's Name Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60713-9 System Origin Mexico-ODM GS Film number 443968
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> The "X Miramontes" is probably a gross error; I'm 90% sure it is Xptobal Gonzales because of his daughter Maria's baptism in 02 Oct 1707 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roma to which Evie refers to Maria Gonzales's marriage 23 Jan 1735 to Rafael Pinto De Avila. see both IGIs below
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> spouse: Xpttobal Gonsales
> child: Maria Gonsales Miramonttes
> Name Maria Gonsales Miramonttes
> Gender Female
> Christening Date 02 Oct 1707
> Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
> Birth Date
> Birthplace
> Death Date
> Name Note
> Race
> Father's Name Xpttobal Gonsales
> Father's Birthplace
> Father's Age
> Mother's Name Brigida De Miramonttes
> Mother's Birthplace
> Mother's Age
> Paternal Grandfather's Name
> Paternal Grandmother's Name
> Maternal Grandfather's Name
> Maternal Grandmother's Name
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number C60089-3
> System Origin Mexico-ODM
> GS Film number 443801
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> Name Rafael Pinto De Abila
> Birth Date
> Birthplace
> Age
> Spouse's Name Maria Getrudis Gonsales
> Spouse's Birth Date
> Spouse's Birthplace
> Spouse's Age
> Event Date 23 Jan 1735
> Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
> Father's Name Marcos Pinto De Abila
> Mother's Name Rosa Maria De Placensia
> Spouse's Father's Name Xpstoval Gonsales
> Spouse's Mother's Name Brigida De Miramontes
> Race
> Marital Status
> Previous Wife's Name
> Spouse's Race
> Spouse's Marital Status
> Spouse's Previous Husband's Name
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60713-9
> System Origin Mexico-ODM
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> my connection to him is that his great granddaughter Petra Regalada Raigoza married my 5th great granduncle Juan Ydelfonso Mayorga in 19 Feb 1753 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico.
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> My primo Joseph Puentes reccomends that I should share with Nuestros Ranchos my Lorenzo Miramontes data, this is what I have found so far:
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> 1 Lorenzo de Miramontes b: 26 JUL 1638
> + Maria Ana Diaz de Santiago b: MAR 1649
> 2 Margarita Miramontes b: SEP 1670
> 2 Miguel Miramontes b: FEB 1696
> 2 Getrudis Miramontes b: JUN 1692
> 2 Brigida de Miramontes b: ABT 1675
> + Francisco de Raigoza b: ABT 1675 d: BEF 1704
> 3 Jose Cayetano Raigoza b: JAN 1703
> + Catarina Sandoval b: ABT 1703
> 4 Petra Regalada Raigoza b: ABT 1733
> + Juan Ydelfonso Mayorga b: MAY 1720
> 5 Francisca Romana Mayorga b: MAR 1757
> 5 Maria De Jesus Mayorga b: MAY 1769
> 5 Jose Maria Mayorga b: JUL 1763
> 5 Antonia Lugarda Mayorga b: APR 1755
> 5 Juana De Dios Mayorga b: MAR 1761
> 5 Maria Rosalia Mayorga b: JAN 1754
> 5 Jose Antonio Mayorga b: MAR 1766
> + X Miramontes b: ABT 1675
> 2 Ysidro Miramontes b: ABT 1689
> + Bernarda De Avila b: ABT 1689
> 3 Maria Antonia Miramontes b: ABT 1733
> + Hipolito Macias Balades b: ABT 1733
> 3 Ysidro Miramontes Jr b: APR 1721
> + Sebastiana Faustina De Campos b: ABT 1726
> 3 Ana Manuela Miramontes b: JUL 171
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] updated my Family Tree
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> because my Family Tree is too large (over 16,000 individuals) I cannot load it here at Nuestros Ranchos.
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> Instead I have it on RootaWen.com. This is a FREE site for everyone. The name of my tree there is " jalisco_families "
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> and the website for it is:
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Hello everyone, my name is David Mendoza. I am looking for any information regarding these two target areas of research concerning the Mendoza family name. My grandfather Ruperto and his brothers and sisters came to the United States over 100 years ago in the early 1900's. Sadly, the history and family relations/ties stayed behind in Mexico. I am hoping to find information to connect myself to the country of my paternal ancestors. I found that my Great-Grandfather was buried in Matanzas, Jalisco, Mexico and that he was married to Rosa Ramirez. On one of his visits to the U.S he scribbled his place of birth as Triumfo, L.C, Mexico? I cannot locate this place to continue my search. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Good evening!

This is my first, introductory e-mail to this group, so I thought it good
to start with my most recent connection the pueblos of Jalisco. My
grandfather, Primitivo Vargas, was born in San Nicolas, Jalisco, on 9 June
1905. He was the fifth of six children born to Jose Genaro Vargas and
Maria Delgadillo. My grandfather migrated to the USA, arriving in El Paso,
Texas on 15 July 1916 at the age of 11. He traveled with his mother,
Maria, his brother, Rodrigo, and 2 sisters, Modesta and Francisca. They
also had an older brother, Jesus, that appears to have stayed in Mexico at
that time. One additional sibling, Jose Gabino Vargas, was born 16 Oct
1895, but died as a baby on 10 June 1896.

Once in the United States, the family made its way to California, where
Primitivo lived out the rest of his years. He married Maria Micaela
Garcia, who was a native of Velardena, Durango. She was born 29 Sep 1913.
Her father, Esteban Garcia traveled with her to the United States, arriving
10 June 1920, when she was only 6 years old, also arriving via El Paso
Texas. His border crossing documents indicate that he originated in
Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas. He appears to have traveled to several
towns in Durango during his young life finding work in the mines of the
area. Once living in California, he worked on farms as a migrant worker.

My research recently has led me to the Pueblos around Lake Chapala in
Jalisco. I have been able to find family throughout the region, most
notably in San Nicolas (de los Ibarras), Ocotlan, Poncitlan, Jamay, and
other smaller areas in the region. I will be posting more information
about my various family ties and the research I have been conducting of
late. Thank you for adding me to the group. I look forward to sharing
more information in the future.

Sincerely,
David Vargas

Busco ancestros de CARMEN PEREZ de la ROSA PIMENTEL, en Sain Alto Zac. nace 1849 en Sain Alto Zac.

hola a todos
alguien me podria ayudar donde puedo encontrar algunas dispensas de los siguientes matrimonios :

juan antonio mireles y maria encarnacion guerrero
matrimonio el 10 mayo 1717 en san felipe guanajuato (nose mencionan alos padres)

tomas ortiz y maria trinidad zamarripa
matrimonio el 24 mayo 1716 san felipe guanajuato (no se menciona los padres)

miguel morillo esparza y juana efigenia reina
matrimonio el 19 febrero 1719 san matias pinos zacatecas

o alguine que me pudiera ayudar a seguir continuando con estas lineas
gracias
saludos

I came across a dispensation record for Antonio Peralta and Manuela Munoz dated March 16, 1787. Manuela is the daughter of my 5th great grandfather. There seems to be a lot of drama associated with this document. I think I have the jest of it, but unfortunately my Spanish (even with the help of my on line translator) isn't good enough to be absolutely certain I understand the issue.

I'm not looking for a complete translation, but if someone can take a look at it and tell me what this was about, I would appreciate it. I'm particularly interested in the testimony of Refugia Munoz and Rafaela Munoz. Thanks.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-37383-96?cc=1874591&wc…

Hello Everyone, I wanted to pass on some exciting news. I have recently discovered and confirmed I am a descendant of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, he is my 10th grandfather.

All this could not have been possible without the help of Armando Antunano, I am forever grateful to him for all of his efforts and patience with my questions.

My family is from "La Villa" San Jose de Bazarte, near Tepatitlan, here is my line from my Grandfather on.

I look forward to meeting my extended family and am having a great time researching Guadalcanal, it looks like a beautiful place.

Best,

Robert~

Generación 1
1 - Francisco González Casillas 1902
Generación 2
2 - Gregorio González Casillas 1868
3 - Teodicia Casillas Alonzo
Generación 3
4 - Encarnación González Jimenez ca 1835
5 - Josefa Casillas Gómez
Generación 4
8 - Martín Luciano González Tostado 1776
9 - Antonia Jimenez Gómez
Generación 5
16 - José Julián González de Hermosillo y Anda Altamirano 1721
17 - Juana Francisca Álvarez Tostado y Macías Valadez
Generación 6
32 - Juan González de Hermosillo y Rentería Mojica ca 1680
33 - Juana de Anda Altamirano y Morán de Ledesma
Generación 7
64 - Melchor González de Hermosillo y González de Ruvalcaba 1643
65 - Francisca Rentería Mójica y Arias de Orozco
Generación 8
128 - Melchor González de Hermosillo González Florida ca 1620-
129 - Beatriz González de Rubalcava y Rodas 1616-
Generación 9
256 - Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz ca 1591-ca 1666
257 - Ana González Florida ca 1594-1672
Generación 10
512 - Juan González de Hermosillo †
513 - María Muñoz †

I am curious as to how much or how far education reached in our villages? Our ancestors would have had to register themselves when they attended schools. So I am curious if there are any archives on school registry to track down what schools our ancestors went to during the colonial period?

Juan Avila (abt 1690) married Josepha Ximenes (1693) and had children between 1714 and 1734. In the marriage documents of his children, he is listed as Juan De Avila Maldonado. However, the only Maldonado/Avila connection I can find is 3 generations earlier when a Juan De Avila De Salazar married a Maria Maldonado and had children between 1620 and 1644. Is there any possibility of a connection between these generations?

because my Family Tree is too large (over 16,000 individuals) I cannot load it here at Nuestros Ranchos.

Instead I have it on RootaWen.com. This is a FREE site for everyone. The name of my tree there is " jalisco_families "

and the website for it is:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Josrph de Leon

Dear Members,

I need your assistance to locate records of my ancestors in Zacatecas during the 1800's. I have names from baptismal records and once I've cross into the 1700's I find records on Family Search. Where do I go to receive information of the 1800's?

I'm also hitting a wall once I'm into the late 1600's. I would so appreciate information on how to proceed.

In chilly Colorado,
Carolyn

Hola compañeros, alguien de ustedes sabe quienes son los padres de Cornelia Ruiz de Velazco, mujer de Cristóbal Becerra (1647 aprox. Jalostotitlán). Hoy encontré que desciendo de esta pareja por su hija Catarina Ruiz de Velazco, quien casó el 05 de febrero de 1698 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México con Nicolás Barajas de Oleas, hijo de Juan Barajas y Juana de Oleas.

Tampoco tengo mas datos de Juan Barajas y Juana de Oleas; ¿Alguno de ustedes tiene mas información?

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Hi,
I just got my Geno2.0 results and my ethnic percentiles are similar to those from US citizens of Mexican descent. My Y-DNA haplogroup was reassigned as R-CTS4065 (R-P310 according to FTDNA) and my direct paternal line comes from Coahuila, although according to one source this Navarro family may have originated in Jalisco.
I tried to convert the Geno2.0 data in order to analyze it with DIYDodecad but I guess I'm doing something wrong since when I try to run the program I get an error message. I have previously run it with FamilyFinder files with no problem. Has anybody tried this successfully?
Best regards,
VN

I have read interesting information about the history of the earliest Tlaltenango inhabitants. I believe the Avilas were also among the earliest settlers so I am most curious as to their place of origin. Puebla? Mexico City? This information could help me in my research. Thank you.

Dear friends:
I have been researching my lineages from Lope Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes for a couple of years now.
I have one lineage descending from Salvador R. de E. and Maria Vielma, and one descending from Luis TIscareño and Lorenza R. de E. Sadly, neither of these is my name-bearing lineage.
I can trace my name-bearing lineage back to a man named Antonio Paulin Esparza Macias, who was married to Costansa Pedroza Acosta in Aguascalientes on 14 April 1733.
I have their marriage documents from Aguascalientes. According to these, he is the illegitimate child of Getrudis Macias and either Ygnacio Esparza (marriage record) or Antonio Esparza (marriage information). I tend to think that Ygnacio is correct, while the reference to "Antonio" Esparza is an error on the part of scribe. Antonio Paulin appears to go by the name Paulin Macias in these documents. In later documents, principally the baptism records of his children, he is listed as Antonio Paulin Esparza. Both his parents are listed as deceased at the time of the marriage.
I cannot find a baptism record for Antonio Paulin, so I do not have a birth date. Costanza Pedroza was baptized on 4 April 1700, and was a resident of Hacienda San Bartolome.
Being illegitimate, I realize that Antonio Paulin's baptism record may be difficult, if not impossible, to find. A search of the FamilySearch.org database produced no results. I have been reading through the baptism records for Aguascalientes hoping to find an orphan named Antonio Paulin, so far without luck.
So if anybody has ever worked in this area of the family tree, I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have on the subject.
There at least 3 potential Ygnacios, that I can find, to be Antonio Paulin's father. One, the son of Martín R. de E., was married in 1651, which would put him in his 70s when Antonio Paulin was likely born. Another, the son of the former Ygnacio's brother, Martín R. de E., was married in 1685, but didn't die until 1738, after the marriage of Antonio Paulin and Costansa in 1733, when the records say that Antonio Paulin's father was already deceased.
The third possible Ygnacio Esparza was baptized 4 April 1681, the son of Tomas Esparza and Maria Montañes Carrillo. He married Maria Regla on 1 February 1707.
I can find no baptism or marriage record for Tomas Esparza, so cannot really hazard a guess as to what branch of the Ruiz de Esparza clan he might belong.
Two of Maria Montañes Carrillos' siblings also married Ruiz de Esparzas:
Geronimo Montañes married Luisa R. de E. (1669) (she goes by "de los Angeles"). She is the daughter of Manuel R. de E. (1634) and Maria Romo de Vivar Rangel. Manuel is the son of Salvador R. de E. (1595). Geronimo Montañes and Luisa R. de E. happen to be direct ancestors of mine through another lineage.
Ana Vicente Montañes married Manuel R. de E. in 1687. Manuel (b. 1664) is the son of Martín R. de E. and Francisca Sotelo Jaen. Martín R. de E. is the son of Martín R. de. E. (b. 1600) and Maria Lopez de Lisardi.
The situation is much the same with Getrudis Macias, which turns out to be a rather common name in Aguascalientes.
Thank you all for any possible information you can give me. I'm pretty desperate to find any kind of hint!
Feliz Navidad!
-Scott

I am trying to determine whether two Juan de Miramontes who were having children in the first half of the 17th Century in Tlaltenango are the same person or not... Any help would be greatly appreciated... The mothers of the two sets of children may be different (or have to be since the second set appear to be 30 years younger than the first set) but the father could certainly be the same, which is the question here. At his death, the first Juan de Miramontes had three living sons and one living daughter. It appears Ynez died young since I have no marriage or children for her, so the daughter could have been Juana Maria... the missing son Antonio, since Alonzo Perez appears to have been illegitimate and unrecognized and therefore would not have been accounted for in the death registry.

1 Juan DE MIRAMONTES d. 1661 (son of Juan de Miramontes and Maria de Haro y Saucedo)
Brigida ORTIZ DE URRUTIA
2 Lorenzo DE MIRAMONTES b. 26 Jul 1638
Ana DIAS DE SANTIAGO b. 29 Mar 1649
3 Brigida DE MIRAMONTES
3 Juan DE MIRAMONTES
3 Angela DE MIRAMONTES
3 Beatriz MIRAMONTES b. 27 Jul 1667
3 Margarita MIRAMONTES b. 2 Sep 1670
3 Gertrudis MIRAMONTES b. 5 Jun 1692
3 Miguel MIRAMONTES b. 28 Feb 1696
3 Nicolas DE MIRAMONTES
3 Ana DIAZ DE MIRAMONTES
2 Juan MIRAMONTES ORTIZ URRUTIA b. 12 Apr 1647
2 Manuel MIRAMONTES ORTIZ URRUTIA b. 29 Dec 1649
2 Ynez MIRAMONTES URRUTIA b. 1 Apr 1651

1 Juan DE MIRAMONTES
2 Antonio DE MIRAMONTES d. 1671
Maria DE ESQUIBEL
3 Antonia ORTIZ DE MIRAMONTES O ESQUIBEL
3 Antonia MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 21 Apr 1635
3 Balthazar MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 13 Jan 1639
3 Juan MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 25 Jun 1641
3 Isabel DE MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 1643 d. Antes 1690
3 Andrea ORTIZ DE MIRAMONTES b. 15 Dec 1648
3 Maria MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 30 Sep 1652
3 Cristobal MIRAMONTES ESQUIBEL b. 25 Mar 1656
2 Juana Maria DE MIRAMONTES
Juan DE VERA
3 Nicolas DE VERA
3 Ana VERA MIRAMONTES b. 1636
3 Juana DE VERA MIRAMONTES b. 15 May 1640
2 Alonzo PEREZ
Agustina MIRAMONTES
Ysabel GONZALEZ

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Montejano Hilton, Maria de la Luz, 546, Partida 2725 (Reliability: 2).
Fresnillo, Zacatecas, 29 Sep 1690. Dispensa de segndo con tercero grado de afinidad por copula licita. Diego Ortiz, espanol de 23 anos de edad, vecino de la felihresia del Real y Minas del Fresnillo, natural de la feliresoa de Tlaltenango, hijo legitimo de Pedro Ortiz y de Ana Vasquez, con Agustina de Miramontes, mulata libre, al pareceer de 30 anos de edad, natual y vecina de dicha feligresia de Tlaltenango, hija de Pascuala de los Reyes, negra libre y de padre no conodico, viuda de Alonso Perez, mestizo. Declaracion de Luis de Luna, espanol de 76 anos de edad, casado con tia carnal del pretenso. Que conocio a Alonso Perez, ya difunto, a quien Antonio de Miramontes, vecino que fue de esta jurisdiccion, trajo del Real y minas de Mazapil, dandole nombre de hermano y que pregunatandole este testigo que que hermano se habia pepenado, respondio dicho Antonio de Miramontes que era criollo del pueblo de Tocatic hijo de Juan de Miramontes, padre tambien de dicho Antonio, que siendo mozo dicho Alonso Perez, se habia ido de esta jurisdiccion y que conociendolo en dicho Real y minas de Mazapil, lo habia traido y siempre se trataton como hermanos y dicho Juan de Miramontes padre de los susdichos fue hermano carnal de Hernando de Aro, y este tuvo por hijo a Pedro Ortiz, padre del contrayente.

Tlaltenango Marriages 1629-1704, Utah Genealogical Society (Reliability: 3).
Enterre a Juan de Miramontes espanol casado con Brigida Ortiz de ?? Administrele todos los sacramentos. No hizo testamento. Dejo cuatro hijos barones y una hija.