Orozco Villasenor Sisters in 1600s Jalostotitlan & Tepatitlan

Hi all,

I’m hoping to start some conversation about two Orozco-Villasenor sisters and a possible third who seem to have lived around Jalostotitlan and Tepatitlan in the early 1600s.

The first is Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas Mendoza el Mozo. They are the progenitors of the Ornelas-Villasenor family. A 1716 dispensa for her great-grandson Juan Antonio Ornelas Pastra cc Feliciana Sanchez Camacho identifies a sister for Petronila.

The tree looks like this:

Petronila de Orozco -1- Maria de Orozco
Nicolas Ornelas -2- Lucas Sanchez de Mendoza
Pedro Ornelas -3- Feliciana Sanchez (pretensa)
Juan Antonio Ornelas (pretenso) -4- (N/A)

This Maria de Orozco Villasenor was married to Jose Sanchez de Mendoza, the son of Maria Sanchez de Mendoza and grandson of Juan Sanchez de Lara and Martha Sanchez de Mendoza. They had a number of children who lived around Jalostotitlan and San Juan de los Lagos.
Another dispensa from 1761 may identify another sister. It is a dispensation for Manuel Geronimo Cervantes Leonel and Micaela Antonia Vanegas. The only problem is the tree as given seems to be missing a generation. Here is the tree as given by Dn Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza, 56 years old:

Jose Sanchez -1- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -3- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -4- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6L9X-SN?i=135&cc=18745…

Comparing this tree with other records of this family, things don’t seem to add up. For one Jose Manuel Vanegas was the son of Gaspar Vanegas de Torres cc Maria Sanchez de Orozco and Jose Cervantes I was the son of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco. I did not know the parents of Maria Sanchez de Orozco, but it does not make sense that her father is the child of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco.

It seems to me that the testigo made the two primos hermanos just hermanos (lucky for us, since a parentesco en quinto grado doesn’t need a dispensa). I would argue that it makes more sense, then, to place Jose Sanchez (the father of Maria Sanchez de Orozco) as the son of Jose Sanchez de Mendoza and Maria de Orozco Villasenor. The revised tree would look like this:

Maria Orozco -1- Leonor Orozco
Jose Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -3- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -4- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -5- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

That would make Leonor Orozco cc Leonel de Cervantes a sister of Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas and Maria de Orozco Villasenor cc Jose Sanchez de Mendoza. What do you all think? With all that said, does anyone have any idea who the parents of Petronila, Maria, and possibly Leonor might be? I am also interested in any other information about Leonel de Cervantes that anyone might have.

Thanks!
Richard

Maria Ignacia Corona Guevara

Hello!

I am looking for assistance locating the baptismal information for my 3x great-grandmother, Maria Ignacia Corona Guebara. She was married to Jose Reyes, who was likely baptized in 1789 at the church in Chapala, with the name Eustaquio, on 28 Oct 1815. According to the marriage information taken at the time, they were both Españoles. He was originally from and living in La Labor, single, 26 years old, and the legitimate son of Vicente Reyes and Maria Josefa Salazar; she was originally from Tizapan el Alto and living in Ocotlan for the last 14 years, single, 17 years of age, and the legitimate daughter of Miguel Corona and Maria Josefa Guebara.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XH9R-WT

I went to search for baptismal records for the church in Tizapan el Alto around 1798, as that would be about the time she was born. But it looks like the church may have been built after that time. Does anyone know which church may have been frequented by residents of Tizapan el Alto at that time? I've done search of surrounding localities, with no luck so far. Any help that anyone can give is appreciated.

Thanks!

Translation help!

I would like for someone who understands Spanish better than I do to look at a document and tell me what it is about. It is about my ancestors Pedro and Juan Casillas. I believe it’s their baptism document, but the abbreviation also make translating these documents harder for me.

Thanks in advance!

Kimberly

Pedro de Anda I and Isabel Gutierres de Altamirano

Hola Primos.
I am having a hard time on my Anda Altamirano line. I had to walk away from it 2 months ago as it was frustrating to me as there are many similar names- Pedro, Esteban, Juan, Luis, Fernando etc., many have different alias and it’s been difficult to find documentation of parents for some. I have spent countless hours reading over NR threads, reading various books, searching documents etc. and I cannot confirm who the parents of Isabel Gutierres de Altamirano (1535-?) are?

I would be most appreciative if anyone has any info to help me.
Here are my ancestors:

Pedro de Anda I (1530-1619) and most notably, Isabel Gutierres de Altamirano (1535-?)
These are their descendants, my ancestors:
Tire son:
Pedro de Anda Altamirano II (1551-1619)-Beatriz González de Castañeda (1556-1573)
Thier son:
Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano (1595-1632) Married Juana Ruiz de Nava (1593-1667. She is the daughter of Maria lopez de Nava and Alonso Lorenzo Guerra)

Their son:
Juan de Anda Altamirano (1627-1683). He married Isabel Martinez de Alarcon Rubacalva (1635-¿) She is the daughter of Josefa Bautista Ruvacalba and Miguel Martinez de Alarcon.

Their daughter:
Maria de Anda Altamirano (1662-1715) Married Diego Miramontes Ortiz (1658-1715)

Mil Gracias,
Pauline (maven200)

Antonia de Anda Altamirano wife of Pedro Mexia

One of my sets of 10th great grandparents were Antonia de Anda Altamirano (allegedly de Viduarre) and Pedro Mexia (Mejia). Antonia and Pedro were married on 11 Dec 1650 by Father (licensiado) Don Alejo de Viduarri with the assistance of Juan de Contreras (y Fuerte ?). Pedro Mexia was the son of Marcos Mexia and Agustina de Medina; while Antonia de Anda Altamirano was the daughter of Pedro de Anda y Altamirano

.

The witnesses were Juan Saes de Viduarri, his son Diego Ortiz Viduarri, and Juan del Castillo. No padrinos are listed.

Pedro de Anda Altamirano married Catalina de Viduarre on 28 Jul 1648, ergo Catalina de Viduarre cannot be Antonia de Anda y Altamirano's mother.... Who is her mother?

El comendador Diego de Orozco

El día de hoy hallé a los padres de don Diego de Orozco, abuelo materno del conquistador Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco.
Veo que hasta el momento se desconocía la ascendencia del comendador así que comparto lo que encontré.

La filiación se describe en el pleito de hidalguía de Francisco de Orozco, viejo alguacil del Santo Oficio y quien a la sazón era vecino de Mazarambroz en Toledo.
El pleito inicia el 8 de agosto de 1537 y finaliza favorablemente once meses después: "por ser persona noble e de buen linaje, syn ninguna raza de conversos, a e tiene la vara de alguaçil en la çibdad de Toledo del Santo Ofiçio de la Ynquisición, que es ofiçio de tal calidad que los ofiçiales della no son syno personas nobles e hidalgo limpios".

Se declara que sus padres fueron Diego de Orozco y Guiomar Gutiérrez (Guiomar de Sandoval) vecinos de Torrubia del Campo. Además de Francisco fueron padres también de otro Diego de Orozco quien era padre del alcaide de Uclés Francisco de Orozco.
Este Diego "el mozo" tuvo la tenencia del castillo de Uclés y fue comendador en Pozorrubio de Santiago (Cuenca) como su padre.
Es decir, tanto Diego el mozo como Diego el viejo fueron comendadores en Pozorrubio.

Abuelos fueron Gonzalo de Orozco y Margarita García de Cornado. De Gonzalo decían que "era el mejor hidalgo que había en todo de Quenca".

Así quedaría la relación familiar:

1.- Gonzalo de Orozco cc Margarita García de Cornado.

Hijos:

1.1- Diego de Orozco y Cornado, comendador de Pozorrubio; con Guiomar Gutiérrez o de Sandoval tuvo a:

a) Diego de Orozco, comendador de Pozorrubio al igual que su padre. Tuvo en NN al alcaide de Uclés Francisco de Orozco.
b) Francisco de Orozco, alguacil del Santo Oficio en Toledo.
c) Guiomar de Orozco, esposa de Diego de Villaseñor, padres del conquistador Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco, de su hermano Diego y de Francisco.

1.2.- Jaime de Orozco y Cornado, comendador de Santiago.

Un testigo menciona que Francisco de Orozco el que litigaba tenía otro hermano que se decía Horozco, hidalgo notorio, quien servía en la casa de Luisa de Acuña y Portugal, condesa de Paredes de Nava y en la de su hijo el sexto conde. Título que está en poder de mis parientes diviseros por García-Sancho, los Travesedo.

Aquí lo comparto para quien esté interesado en los Villaseñor.

Saludos,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

REGISTRO DE EJECUTORIAS,CAJA 512,23. R.C.V.

El Solar de la Piscina

El año pasado presenté a la Diputación de la Junta de la Divisa del Solar de la Piscina mi expediente de ingreso para que me tenga, considere y reciba como Señor Divisero, Hijodalgo y Cofrade de esa Divisa, Solar y Cofradía de la Probática Piscina de Jerusalén fundada según la tradición por el infante Ramiro Sánchez y su esposa Cristina Rodríguez, hija del Cid Campeador.
Por la situación que desafortunadamente enfrentamos todos ante la pandemia muchos recibimientos se han visto retrasados y estoy a la espera de serlo. De verme beneficiado con la respuesta de la Junta este sería el tercer Solar en el que soy recibido.

El 7 de octubre de 2012 fui recibido como señor de Tejada por el Antiguo e Ilustre Solar de este nombre al ser quinto nieto de María Dolores García-Sancho y Moreno de Tejada, señora de Tejada, primera esposa del gobernador de Jalisco José Palomar y Rueda, y tía de Ventura García-Sancho e Ibarrondo, primer conde de Consuegra y duque consorte de Nájera; mi quinta abuela fue recibida el 11 de octubre de 1827.

También este año en el Antiguo e Ilustre Solar de Valdeosera gracias a la sentencia No. 133/19 del 13 de junio de 2019 del juzgado de primera instancia de Logroño y con buena suerte, recibido en la Probática Piscina de Jerusalén. Para este último es necesario descender de un divisero previamente recibido que en mi caso fue Juan de Puelles y Sanz quien obtuvo Real Carta Ejecutoria de Hidalguía en 1571 cuando era vecino de la villa de Ampudia, amén de lo anterior es mandatorio probar la hidalguía y legitimidad del apellido paterno (Reynoso, en mi caso).

Sé que existen varios descendientes de los Puelles en Nueva Galicia así que consigno lo anterior para quien descienda de Juan de Puelles y Sanz. Desconozco si seré el primer descendiente de Juan recibido en el Solar de la Piscina puesto que mi querido amigo Mariano González-Leal estaba preparando su expediente de ingreso (de Busto y Puelles) pero espero que el antecedente mío, o de Mariano sirvan a otras personas descendientes de Juan de Puelles para ingresar.

Un cordial saludo,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

Hacienda del Corro, Zacatecas

En el acta de nacimiento (extemporánea) de María Encarnación Valera y García de la Cadena, que se encuentra en

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRKP-HV3?i=2341&cc=192…

dice que nació a las 6 seis horas del día primero de Julio del año de 1872 mil ochocientos setenta y dos, en la Hacienda del Corro, Estado de Zacatecas y que fue la segunda hija legítima de los finados Ciudadano Ignacio Valera y Señora María Encarnación García de la Cadena de Valera, que fueron originarios de Nieves, Zacatecas y Rio Grande, Zacatecas, respectivamente.

Ahora bien, no he encontrado ninguna referencia que indiqué en dónde está la mencionada "Hacienda del Corro". ¿habrá alguien que pueda ayudar?.

Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes (married to Juana de Avila Carlos de Godoy)

Hello,
I'm researching the line of Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes (married to Juana de Avila). I found some information online that mentions that his parents are Juan de LLanos y Valdes and Maria de Comparan from Michoacan. I located some children from this couple and the couple's marriage in 1642 in Morelia Michoacan.
I also know that there is another Juan Joseph llanos y valdes married to Mariana Ramos and Juana Silva who was living in Jerez around 1680's, But I know that he is not my guy.

Dos anyone have any information regarding Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes from Michoacan(?) who was living maybe in Colotlan (married to Juana de Avila)? I need a source to link him to the family of Michoacan.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

saludos

sus leniski

Chirriaga "Echerreaga"

Hello,
I'm looking for any information about PEDRO DE CHIRRIAGA (ECHERREAGA?) married to LUISA DE ORTIZ (sometimes she used Gonzales, Anda). The couple had at least one daughter Maria Luisa de Chirriaga who got married in Aguascalientes,in 1662 with Pedro del Muro Salas. I would assumed the couple had more children.
The couple was in the census of Aguascalientes in 1648, Pedro died in 1671, Luisa died in 1687
I know that there was an Echerreaga family in Zacatecas, Zac (presbitero Nicolas Echerrega), but I don't know if they were part of the same family.
Any information I would appreciated
Saludos

Sus Leniski

La Villa de Zamora: de Bejar, Lupiana, Corona de Anaya, Lopez de Fuenllana and Ruiz families potential relationships

Hello forum.

There is a very interesting document, a suit filed by Nicolas Ruiz against his father Br. Jose Ruiz in 1672.

This is a very long document plenty of dozens of declarations of witnesses, some of them closely related to Jose and Nicolas Ruiz.

1.- Jose Corona de Anaya and Jose Ruiz are first cousins (see image 362/795).

Many of the witnesses give Jose ruiz's mother's name: Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana.

The names of Jose Corona de Anaya's parents are given in this document, they are Garcia Alvarez Corona and Juana Lupiana.

This is my guess, the mothers of the two of them are sisters, the daughters of Alonso de Lupiana and Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana. This couple is mentioned in this other thread, Catalina is one of the sisters of Diego de Fuenllana and Beatriz Lopez de Fuenllana.

2.- Gregorio de Bejar, resident of Tinguindin, 47 years, 6 months and 18 days old, says his father and Jose Ruiz are 2nd. cousins (see image 296/795).

This Gregorio de Bejar is the grandson of Gregorio de Bejar and Juana de Sandoval. According to Guillermo Padilla Origel "Arbol genealogico de los Bejar de Tinguindin", Juana de Sandoval is the daughter of Gonzalo de Sandoval and Isabel Perez.

The said relationship is true if Juana de Sandoval (Gregorio de Bejar's grandmother) and Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana (Jose Ruiz´s mother) are first cousins.

The names of the parents of Juana de Sandoval are Gonzalo de Sandoval and Isabel Perez according to Guillermo Padilla Origel.

Gonzalo de Sandoval died before 1585 and Isabel Perez was the owner of some houses in Zamora (see Gregorio Torres Quintero / Genaro Hernandez Corona "Tesis Pedagogicas", p. 158).

One more of the sisters of Diego de Fuenllana and Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana (proposed Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana's mother) is "Isabel del Castillo mujer de (Jeronimo) Orozco".

This is my guess, could Isabel (Perez), the widow of Gonzalo de Sandoval and Isabel (del Castillo), the wife of Jeronimo de Orozco, be the same person?. If it is this way, the mother of Juana de Sandoval (Isabel Perez/del Castillo) and the mother of Isabel Lopez de Fuenllana (Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana) are sisters.

Any help proviing/disproving the aforementioned relationships is greatly appreciated.

To Be Able To View Documents of Aguascalientes Archive

To view documents in the aguascalientes archive. You probably have to download the "microsoft silverlight" app which is a blue icon that appears when you click on a file to look at and the computer is taking awhile to try to open the file. It asks you if you want to download microsoft silver light. And it works in Internet Explorer.

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

username: sigue.publica
password: publica

Cristobal and or Rodrigo Cristobal Olivares

I have recently bought and checked out several great books for my research on my paternal side. But, the latest book I bought has me questioning the help and information I have taken from previous books and online searches.
I am researching the couple Manuel Gomez and Catalina de Mendoza in los altos de Jalisco (Jalostotitlan). I have them as the parents of Juana Gomez de Mendoza, who was married to Domingo Lomelin. Anyway, I originally had Catalina's father and mother as Rodrigo Olivares and Maria Hurtado de Mendoza. Quite a few books seem to point in that direction. However, if I am reading it correctly, this newer book seems to say that Catalina's parents were actually Cristobal Olivares and Mariana (Maria) de Mendoza. AND that the Maria de Mendoza that was married to Rodrigo de Olivares was actually A SISTER of the Catalina de Mendoza.
If I am reading it correctly, the author of this second edition mentions that he too also believed that Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de Mendoza were the parents of Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza (who is another SISTER of Catalina), married to Francisco Gutierrez Rubio,
so that would have made them Catalina's parents too. BUT after being presented with a testimony located in San Luis Potosi, he now believes that Francisca's (and therefore Catalina's parents) are Cristobal Olivares and Mariana (Maria) de Mendoza.
Has anyone else come across this issue?
Sandra

Studies of specific ranchos?

I am new to this group and grateful to you for being here. Has anyone done studies of the history of specific ranchos? As part of my research into my grandfather's family (surname Angel, from Jesus Maria), I wonder if anything has been written about the families who lived on the ranchos of El Capulin de Chavez, Las Cruces, El Pandillo, and/or La Mesita de Ornelas? Who owned the ranchos, what did they produce, and who worked there?

Soy nueva en este grupo y estoy agradecida a ustedes por su colaboracion. Alguien ha hecho estudios de la historia de ranchos especificos? Como parte de mi investigacion sobre mi abuelo (apellido Angel, de Jesus Maria), quisiera saber si haya algo escrito sobre las familias que vivian en los ranchos de El Capulin de Chavez, Las Cruces, El Pandillo y/o La Mesita de Ornelas? Quienes eran los duenos, que produjeron, y quienes trabajan alli?

DNA connection between Nueva Galicia and New Mexico

Dear all,

I am relatively new to Nueva Galicia genealogy and glad to be joining this community. Hopefully some of you may have not only similar questions but answers.

Across all the different DNA testing platforms, there is a recurring segment of some 25 cM that unites me and all my tested relatives on my paternal grandfather's side with a whole swathe of distantly related people who all descend from New Mexico's founding families. They and their trees have names like Lujan, Archuleta, Montoya, Baca, etc., which were so intertwined by endogamous marriages during the colonial period, that lines are difficult to untangle. This endogamy (combined with the one in our own ranchos) makes any predictions of degrees of cousinship based on shared DNA very problematic, which in turn means that the common ancestor with these New Mexico cousins could be any number of generations ago.

I descend from the Ruiz de Velascos of Ayo el Chico, so I can account for my ancestry in the Altos/Cienega region many generations back across multiple lines, which only makes this more of a mystery. Was there some renegade GG-uncle who fled to settle in the frontier? Y-DNA results compared with the New Mexico FTDNA projects suggest that the link is not through the direct paternal line. Someone from the New Mexico project who had worked on Jalisco connections looked at my results and tree and was also at a loss.

There are only two surnames in my tree that seem to overlap with the New Mexico entangled trees: Herrera and Moya. But the Herrera and Moya founders who settled New Mexico arrived in the mid 17th century. I cannot account for my ancestors in that two surname lines that far (yet). And the New Mexico genealogies (which are very developed) don't really trace these founders far before their arrival to the territory.

Does anyone have a possible explanation or suggestion? Or share these surnames and have New Mexico matches? Or not?

Thank you,
Guillermo

Sobre los Machicao

Buenos días,

Dejo lo siguiente para los interesados en la familia Machicao o Bachicao, antepasados por línea cognaticia de Lorenzo de Padilla-Dávila y Machicao.

En el archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid (Registro de Ejecutorias. Caja 0026.0036) encontré lo siguiente:

Fernando de Machicabo pleiteó su hidalguía el 4 de Febrero de 1489, el pleito finalizó el 12 de diciembre del mismo año y obtuvo confirmación de su nobleza y privilegios el 5 de Mayo de 1495.

En 1489 Fernando de Machicabo o Machicao era vecino de la villa palentina de Boada de Campos habiendo sido natural de la de Revilla. Como caballero acudió a los llamados de los cercos de Toro y Zamora (1 de Marzo de 1476 - Batalla de Toro).

Dice que sus padres fueron Ruy Sánchez Machicabo, natural de la villa alavesa de Bachicabo y vecino de la palentina de Revilla de Campos. Contrajo nupcias con María Sánchez y obtuvo confirmación de su nobleza en Palencia.

Su abuelo fue Juan Ruiz, natural de Bachicabo el cual asistió a la guerra de Almazán en la que fue preso Fadrique Enríquez de Castilla, Duque de Arjona (1388-1420).

No puedo confirmar al momento de forma documental que este Fernando de Machicao que obtuvo ejecutoria de su hidalguía, sea el mismo que pasó a Canarias donde contrajo nupcias con Constanza de Hervás y Mirabal, hija de Pedro de Hervás y nieta del genovés Diego de Ervás pero habiendo casado Hernando de Padilla-Dávila y Pérez de Gallegos (Gallegos de Vera) con Leonor de Machicao y Rivas en 1515 es posible que sean la misma persona, aunque al momento sea solo por coincidencia de nombre, apellido y fecha.

Un saludo,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

Here 1648 Valparaiso, Zac Census Need help on ownership of property in 1648

I have a 1648 Census of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico which is 20 leguas from Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

As well as a census of Rancho Carboneras, which is 5 leguas from Fresnillo. Zacatecas, Mexico.

Attached is the census. Can someone help me on my ancestors "Joan Angon" who is listed first on the list of the Valparaiso Census in regards to why is he listed as first on the list and did he own a ranch right there?

His son Esteban Angon is listed first on the Rancho Carboneras ranch that is 15 leguas away from Valparaiso.

Ok...so here in familysearch file of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico is a 1632 - 1700 Cofradia archive. I already read it and it is like a diary of Joan Angon's ranch starting in 1632 where there is a Cofradia called, "La Purisma de La Limpia Concepcion." Midway through the archive is then shows Esteban Angon owning a Estancia "Rio Chico." Today Rico Chico is at the spot where Rancho Carboneras would had been in 1648.

My question is about Joan Angon? Did he own a rancho at Valparaiso or did he "own" Valparaiso in 1648? Today at the plaza of Valparaiso there is a church called "La Purisma De La Concepcion." I wonder if that was the Cofradia that was a Joan Angon's rancho as mentioned in the 1632 - 1700 archive? Can someone help me about ownership in 1648 at Valparaiso?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FSS1-7G?wc=3JHM-C66%3A…

Note: One Legua = one hours walk by foot. By car today that would be 8 - 10 minutes.

FRANCISCO DE LUNA Y MARIA DE TAPIA

Hola buenas tardes

E estado averiguando el origen de los de Luna en los altos de Jalisco , de los cuales es Sebastián de Luna casado con Josefa Lozano , de la cual desciende la los de luna que vivieron en la meseta de los altos de jalisco por lo que e revisado esta pareja vivió en Jalpa hoy perteneciente al estado de Zacatecas, Y por lo que también e podido revisar este puede ser hijo de Luis De Luna y Josefa Ortiz de Esquivel, conocida como Ortiz de Haro o López también hija de Hernando (Fernando de Haro o Miramontes ) esta pareja casados el 18 de abril de 1649 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Román en el estado de Zacatecas, otra pareja hijos de Francisco De Luna y Maria Tapia , hermano del citado Luis de Luna llamado Bartolomé De Luna Tapia caso con Lorenza Miramontes Haro hermana de la citada Josefa en el año 1658 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Román en el estado de Zacatecas menciona que tienen un cuarto grado de consanguinidad y hay una dispensa matrimonial para poderse casar si alguien la tiene o sabe donde la puedo conseguí lo agradeceré mucho para poder avanzar un poco mas en esta linea de mis ancestros

saludos

Introduction- Coahuila, Zacatecas and Jalisco

Hello everyone. My name is Kimberly, I live in Colorado and I was born in America. I'm happy to be a part of this group. I enjoy history, so researching will be fun.

The family I am researching is Cesario Jimenez family line he’s my great grandfather on paternal side. He is from Torreón, Coahuila, Mexico. He was born 27 Aug 1903 to Estanislao Jimenez and Ignacia Martinez born 31 Jul 1875 in Mexico. His grandfather was Jose Dolores Jimenez born about about1844 in Pinos Zacatecas, Mexico City and Tomasa Rodriguez about 1847 in Mexico. He had siblings, but the one i’m most familiar with is his sister named Simona Jimenez (Serna) she married Marcelino Serna. I have only been able to trace back as far as their great grandparents.

Maria Anguiano Najera my grandmother and was married to Cesario Jimenez. She was born 1903 in Mexico and passed away 10 Jun 1952 in La Junta, Colorado. Her parents were Marcial Ysavel Gardea Najera born 30 Jun 1873 in San Isidro de las Cueves, Chihuahua, Mexico, and Praxedis Magallanes Anguiano 22 Jul 1882 in Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas, Mexico.

I am also researching Domingo Casillas (Casias) and Juana Ana de la Rosa family line. This is my 10th great grandparents. Domingo was born in Tonalá, Jalisco, Mexico, and Juana was born in Tonala, Chiapas, Jalisco, Mexico. According to records I’ve found they were Indians. All their kids baptism records say the same for their race. They were all born in Jalisco also. I don’t have an exact birth date for Domingo but it’s around 1690 and Juana about 1695.

I have managed to trace back the least in the Jimenez line. I am interested in researching the following surnames in the Coahuila, Zacatecas and Jalisco.

- Jimenez
- Casillas (Casias)
- Najera

Santos Leon and Ma. Nepomucena Garcia

Hello,

After a few months of trying and retrying to push past this brick wall I was hoping that maybe any one of you may have some insight on Santos Leon and Ma. Nepomucena Garcia. I figured that with their unique names finding them should not be an issue, but I have been having trouble.

Here is what I know:

I have identified two children-

Maria Leon b. appx. 1835 and d. on 10 Jul 1920, in Jesus Maria, Jalisco. She was the widow of a Torres.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GP2D-91ZD?cc=1918187&wc=MG…

Maria Gumercinda Leon b. appx. 1851, m. appx. 1872 to Jose Ma. de Jesus Lozano.

Gumercinda and Jose Ma. have a son Miguel c. 27 Sep. 1869 in Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato.
The rest of their children are in Jesus Maria and then later in Arandas. Santos Leon and Nepomucena Garcia are listed as the grandparents on all the baptismal records.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GB3F-W1?cc=1874591&wc=3JXM… (Miguel Lozano's baptism)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GBSS-C1?cc=1874591&wc=3J61… (Jose Lozano's baptism)

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60400/004841123_00376/5931764?back… (Virginia Lozano's baptism)

Thanks in advance!

Any tips?

Monte Grande Zacatecas

Hello,
I'm looking for people that lived in Monte grande around 1662-1689 (Spaniards). I looked for them in records from Pinos (defunciones- Church San Matias) and I couldn't find anyone from Monte Grande (at least Spaniards in the early records).
Any ideas what location they could be at?
Any info would be greatly appreciated

thanks
Susana