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Group Help on Methodology Required,
I need to know the correct methodology because for the first time I'm researching surnames that are plentiful:  Sepulveda and Morales.  And to complicate things, these surnames intermarried alot in the same time periods and locations. 
 
From film research, this is the last thing I am certain of: 
Maria Luisa Sepulbeda married Juan Fermin Santelices
02/27/1793 in Dolores Hidalgo, GTO
Her parents are named: Gregorio Sepulbeda and Manuela Morales.
 
I can't find either definite baptismal entries, so I go their marriage.
 
I found a Joseph Sepulbeda married Ma Manuela Morales 12/07/1774 in Snta Barbara, Chichuachua.  
 
A Joseph Sepulbeda married Ma Barbara Morales 07/08/1777
in Chichuachua, Chichuachua.
 
A Valentin Sepulbeda married Ma Eulogia Morales 10/04/1756
in Cuidad Victoria, Tamauliapas.
 
My immediate reaction was to go with the first couple because it's the best match, but am I correct in assuming this?  It didn't specifically mention Gregorio, just Joseph Sepulbeda, but knowing how interchangeable they were with their names, on the other hand, it did have Ma Manuela Morales. 
 
When is enough evidence, enough.  Or how would you suggest finding more to support my assumption.  Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks so much,   Alice
 

Off the top of my head, I am looking for the parents of my ggggrandmother,
Urzina Hernandez. She was probably born in the 1830's or 1840's as she is the
second wife of Cayetano Borjon who was born in abt 1825. I am related to the
following families from this area: Borjons, Rincons, de Leons, Guererros, Ricos,
Montellanos, Betancourts, Arias',Mesas,Lunas, Garcias, Mergils, Buenos,
Magallanes',Amaros, Gonzalez',Hernandez',Carrillos, Laras, Villavencencios,
Amayas, Santos', Roldans, and last but not least Barrios'. I believe she may
have been born in Sauceda, Zacatecas or San Mateo, Zacatecas.  I have checked
LDS listings but have been unsuccessful.  Any suggestions on how to continue
when one has hit a brick wall?

Thank you for your interest.

Christopher Barrios de Leon

Hi all -

I have adding the census taken in 1679 in Jalostotitlan & San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It also contains records for families living in seven other pueblos in the surrounding area, most notable for their indigenous population.

LINK: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18950

I extracted the pages from the book titled "Historia de Nuestra Senora de San Juan de Los Lagos," which was published in Mexico in 1903 and is available at books.google.com. I though it would be convenient to post only the pages that contain the census.

It is hard to find ancestors unless you already have a substantial database of family groups with names from that period. I found it useful in confirming marriages and mother-father relationships that I had suspicions about, but had no concrete proof.

Please note that the letters "esc." after a name designates "slave/esclavo(a)" - kind of hard to take, but that's the way things were in those days. The census was finalized on May 6 of 1679.

Happy hunting.

The website address is www.Geneall.net. I have used this website for years when researching my Portuguese ancestry.

Once on the main page of Geneall I selected Espanol, by clicking on Base de Dados, on the left hand side of the page, one will find a listing of all the names that appear.

I tried searching for the Gonzalez surname that John mentioned and I came up with hundreds of individuals with Gonzalez surnames.

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: esther1998@yahoo.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:30:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Linda - Re: Geneanet. org

I am absolutely NOT posting an ad. I was merely posting an inquiry to my fellow genealogists as to the validity of this site.

As I mentioned before, I stumbled across it by accident and thought it was too good to be true. It seemed extremely easy (too easy), yet beneficial. Being the skeptic that I am, I was hoping to gain some feedback from anyone that might have used the site before offering any of my own research.

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

I began researching my ancestry at the Family History Center of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I know all my grandparents names and birthdates. But I was interested in tracking my paternal grandfather and also knew the name of my great grandfather which helped.

I found my grandfather's baptismo in the archives and instantly gave the names of his parents and grandparents.

When I did my research, I would spend Wednesday nights and Saturdays scrolling through rolls of films and backtracked to around the 1720's.

But that was back in the 90's when there was no internet and no website like this to meet other people to share information.

I have not done any more scrolling through films lately.

I also want to mention, I have a loved one that worked in the Archives of Zacatecas, Mexico. She told me that some people would steal some of the books or rip out pages.

Watch out for treasure or relic hunters

Compañeros:

Mi ciudad natal está cumpliendo dos centurias y media de su fundacion, y con tal motivo, el cronista de la ciudad ha publicado una pagina con datoas bastante interesantes acerca de la historia de estas tierras y sus primeros pobladores. (en especial los articulos 4 y 7 me han aportado varios datos genealogicos històricos) Los invito a visitarla:

http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/index.html

Below are the entries from Geneanet on my Olague ancestors from Zacarecas. All nine trees were posted by Salvador Cabral, a member of this group and the one who was instrumental in helping me build my tree where we share many common ancestors from way back.

I had to scroll past a long blank space to get to these results. Don't know why that is.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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Contact
Nb
Surname
Year
Place
Country/Region
Type

salvadorcabral
1
DEL RIO de OLAGÜE ETULAIN
1681 - 1681
Jerez de Garcia Salinas,Zacatecas
Mexico, Mexico

salvadorcabral
1
OLAGUE
1906 - 1906
Jerez,Zacatecas
Mexico, Mexico

salvadorcabral
4
OLAGUE
1866 - 1878
Salitrillo,Zacatecas
Mexico, Mexico

salvadorcabral
1
OLAGUE
1864 - 1864
Zacatecas,Mx
Zacatecas, Mexico

salvadorcabral
1
OLAGUE
1882 - 1882
Zacatecas,Mx.
Zacatecas, Mexico

salvadorcabral
1
de OLAGUE Y ETULAIN

Zacatecas
Zacatecas, Mexico

salvadorcabral
2
de OLAGUE
1582 - 1727
Jerez de Garcia Salinas,Zacatecas
Mexico, Mexico

salvadorcabral
2
de OLAGUE
1732 - 1732
Hacienda Ojo de Agua Jerez de Garcia Zacatecas
Zacatecas, Mexico

salvadorcabral
1
de OLAGÜE ETULAIN
1582 - 1582
Zacatecas
Zacatecas, Mexico

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Surname: GONZALEZ - Place: ZacatecasOnline Family TreeCollaborative Data46 resultsArchiveOriginal Records & Transcripts hosted by GeneaNetNo results found!LibraryDigitized Books, Magazines and Roll of Arms2 resultsOther SourceIndexes, Misc Online Data, etc.26 results

John, I found the above results for trees and Misc Online Data in Geneanet for Gonzalez surname. Didn't you say that you didn't find anything on Gonzalez in Geneanet? You have to enter the surname AND a place, then scroll down past a long blank space to the bottom to see the results.

When I typed in "Jalisco" as the place, I found hundreds of trees and other resources for Gonzalez.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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> It was a simple process of signing up for a free account (of
> course, premium services are also available) in order to access
> trees of other members. So far, I have found a large amount of
> information that pertains to my family line. It takes a while to
> learn your way around, but it seems easy enough to use. I haven't
> yet done so, but you are also able to share your family tree with
> other genealogists.
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> Any comments would be appreciated, especially from those who have
> used this site before.
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While looking through the NY Times on-line, I came across this article by a Frugal Traveler. Glad to see Zacatecas in the NY Times.

http://frugaltraveler.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/a-helping-of-mexican…

Who is traveling to Zacatecas in the next 18 months?

Any one researching HUIZAR PLEASE contact me!!!! thehuizarfamily@yahoo.com

I just stumbled across this website while doing some research. Has anyone else used it before?

It was a simple process of signing up for a free account (of course, premium services are also available) in order to access trees of other members. So far, I have found a large amount of information that pertains to my family line. It takes a while to learn your way around, but it seems easy enough to use. I haven't yet done so, but you are also able to share your family tree with other genealogists.

Any comments would be appreciated, especially from those who have used this site before.

Here is a message from Kitty about her and Rich's plans:

Hi Joseph
Can you make an announcement thru Ranchos that Rich and I will be
researching at the Family History Library this coming Mon Tues and Wed.
We would look forward to meeting them. Give them our e-mail address
(kitty@cortezfamily.net) so we can make contact

Rich and Kitty
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Pregunta.....en donde se registraban los bautizos de los niños que nacían en Sain Alto, Zac.....ya que ese municipio no viene en el family search del estado.

Hello Group,
this is more of a history question, but it pertains directly to genealogy. I'm curious what books are available that talk about the process/journey that the Spanish immigrants took when they first arrived, then settled where they did? In others, where did they embark from Spain? Who were the people that immigrated (they weren't all Dukes and wealthy landowners!)? Where did they land in Mexico? Did they already have a destination in mind or did they have to make their own way? What was the role of the Spanish crown/government (such as for soldiers and landless folk?).

If anyone can recommend some books that answers some of these questions, I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, I guess I should mention that I can't really read Spanish beyond an elementary level.

Saludos,
Arturo

A Fiesta Mexicana will be held on Wednesday, Sep 15 from 6 PM - 10 PM at the Kennedy Center South Plaza Stage, (Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts) Washington, DC. The celebration and performances are free, but require reservations.
See the announcement here:
http://fiesta15september2010.eventbrite.com/

nc colemlan

Alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar la fecha de boda con Mariano Gordoa, y donde se casaron, Evarista fue hija de Juan Jose Nestor Castañeda y Crecencia Ruiz de Esparza y Romo de Vivar, fue bautizada en Jesus Maria Ags.

Wondering if anyone can help me tie in these people with Juan Silva Ramirez 1901 - 1994, hijo de Pedro Silva and Angela Ramirez. We had a family reunion this weekend and these names popped up and that Simon Saldivar Ramirez was primo de Juan Silva or Saldivar Ramirez. I am not sure if they are in true related, but seems close.

Any idea? This is a brick wall. That Juan Silva never knew his parents family. His mother died when he was six years old and can't recall what happened to his father. If I recall he died before or right after his mother.

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Husband

SIMON SALDIVAR PEREZ Pedigree

Birth: 24 MAR 1868 Llano De La Milpa, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening: 27 MAR 1868 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Marriage: 1888 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
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Wife

JUANA RAMIREZ GOMEZ Pedigree

Birth: 1870 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening: 1870 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Marriage: 1888 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico

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Children
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1. ALTAGRACIA SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1898 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening:
Death: 1928 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1928 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
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2. MARIA GUADALUPE SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1900 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening: 1900 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 1977 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1977 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico

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3. HERMINIO SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
Male
Birth: 1902 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening: 1902 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 1970 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1970 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico

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4. PEDRO SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
Male

Birth: 1906 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Christening: 1906 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Death: 1979 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
Burial: 1979 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico

Is anyone working on the Joaquin Mejia/Ma. Cayetana Castaneda line in the district of Jerez Zacatecas?
My question is if Esteban and Sebastian are the same person. In doing the marriage dispensations from la Sagrada Mitra on the pilot program I keep finding them listed as the same person..
Esteban sometimes referrred to as Sebastian was married to Petra Tovar and their children are from 1769 to 1780.

Sebastian Mejia was married to Juana de Jesus Caldera. All their children are born from 1790 to 1820

Linda in Marietta

Does anyone Know if there are records of Mezqutic Jalisco, from 1950-1930 pertaining to baptisms and/or birth certificates. I know the town burned down in 1927 and well I dont know if its just that LDS has not gotten to those specific records or if the Cristeros burned down all of that information. Thanks!

Pregunto si alguien no sabe si todavía exista alguna información de bautismos o actas de nacimiento de Mezquitic, Jalisco perteneciendo a los años 1915-1930. Sabiendo que los Cristeros quemaron al pueblo de Mezquitic en el ano de 1927, no estoy tan seguro que la información que necesito exista. Gracias!

Ruben Marquez

Last year, there was a post about the LDS websitepilot.familysearch.com which has limited online indexed records and images for and non-indexed images for Baptisms, Census, Marriages and deaths - and now has image only access to Catholic church records for Aguascalientes but not Jalisco or Zacatecas.

What is the current status? Are they going to upload the Zacatecas Catholic Church records? Is anyone on this list working on indexing?

Thanks!

Anita

Mexico Catholic Church Records Valparaiso -La Purisima Concepcion

Image#
1. Cover
2. Certification of Records
3. Indice 1883-1886 A-B
4. Indice cont. B-Ch
5. Indice cont. Ch-G
6. Indice cont. G-M
7. Indice cont. M-P
8. Indice cont. P-S
9. Indice cont. S-Z (on left)
Birth records May 20, 1908-September, 1908
10. September 1908 -

(Skipped ahead)

32. October 1881 - Nobember 1881
I plan to read all of them and to post some
very brief cheat sheets. LDS Family Search Images If anyone else is working on these records, please feel free to add similar descriptions.

In the Family Group Sheet for Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabay, Jaime Holcomb cites the following reference:

"Documentos proporcionados por el Licenciado Luis Lopez Martinez: Prueba de Nobleza y Limpieza de Sangre hecho por el esposo en Aguascalientes con su ascendencia en Espana varias generaciones, historia familiar y muy escueta genealogia de la esposa--dice que la madre de la esposa fue nieta del ultimo emperador Azteca, Moctezuma."

Does anyone have a copy of this, or know where a copy may exist?

George

Hi all, on Sunday after Church we had a fireside and had the honor
to speak with the head of the Latin America division committee of
Family Search. For about 3 hours he gave a presentation on how
to start our genealogy for the all levels of expertise. He's the guy
in charge on the order of records are released online (at least
the Spanish speaking countries.) He stated because of constant
asking for Zacatecas it would be one of the next states to be released
we could be seeing with in later this year possibly for Zacatecas
church records online which would be good for all of us! He also
stated it matters what people want, if no one says we want say Guanajuato
then he'll just wait. The reason why Chihuahua was released was because
his ancestors are mostly from Chihuahua, ha ha ha. We as Nuestros
Ranchos should sign and write up a letter to release Jalisco soon!
I think with the body of dedicated genealogist we have it would leave an
impression. Eventhough he said Mexico City (DF) and Jalisco would be
one of the last ones to be realeased. Because They both were capitals of their
own audencias in Colonial Times. Nueva Galicia and Mejico. It also helps
if we leave feedback on the pilot site, they actually do check it believe it
or not. I hope this gives us hope! I know I cant wait for Zacatecas and Ill
explode when Jalisco is finally released!
-Daniel Mendez Camino

Sorry I have a mistake,
Miguel Munguia de Coria was born en 1750

Perdon, Me equivoque en el anterior

Miguel Munguia de Coria nacio en 1750