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Edit: Double post.

Not sure if our ancestors could be related, but I do have a Jose Maria Rojas in my family tree that was in Jerez during that time, although he married a Pinedo. Both my Pinedo and Rojas lines go back one more generation from there, but that's all I have the names without any places or dates.

As an interesting side note, I think the first governor of Zacatecas in the Mexican Republic was called Jose Maria Rojas. Not sure if there is any relation.

This was actually one of the topics that I wanted to get to as soon as I became a member on here. I noticed that you had asked in a post months ago for a list of regiments from Zacatecas. To note, it is possible many of our Zacatecas ancestors served in the state militia or national guard as Zacatecas touted a rather large force during the era of President de Santa Ana, at its height in the 1830's it is estimated to have stood at 17,000 men.

I have not found any particular Zacatecas national guard or militia unit that served during the Mexican-American war, considering no fighting took place near Zacatecas. However, there were numerous engagements for Zacatecas during la guerra de la reforma during the late 1850's and once again during the French intervention in the 1860's.
I have yet to find the specific regiments of this era though.

hello,
I live in México City, and it sounds quite interesting, please foward me the
response and I will gladly translate it to you and maybe look for your
photo if I am allowed.

Regards.
Patty

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Chris Pineda wrote:

> I wanted to thank the person who suggested that we email the following
> email (archivo@mail.sedena.gob.mx) for information about relatives who
> served in the Mexican military. I sent an email on July 31 and got a
> response back today that indicated they do have such information on my
> ancestor.
>
> While my Spanish isn't that great, I think the letter says that it
> authorizes me to see the actual records in Mexico city, and take a digital
> photo of them, but not a photocopy because they are too delicate. Did
> anyone else get a response like this? While I'm excited about this new
> potential source of information because I thought the trail on my Pineda
> line had gone cold, I'm not really in a position to fly to Mexico city just
> to look at these documents. Any suggestions?
>
> In case anyone else is interested, the person in question is named Pedro
> Pineda, my great-great grandfather in or near Tlaltenango, Zacatecas; he was
> born about 1851. I think the letter says he was a major in the Mexican
> military. Thanks!
>
> Chris Pineda, MPP, JD
>
>
>

Hi Chris ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado , no thanks are requiered it was my pleasure to pass on this information glad it was of use l

.

Have you tried to ask them to make you a copy and mail it to you ? Or ask them if there´s anyone that they may know who can take the foto maybe for a small fee .

Good luck ,

Welester

> I wanted to thank the person who suggested that we email the following email (archivo@mail.sedena.gob.mx) for information about relatives who served in the Mexican military. I sent an email on July 31 and got a response back today that indicated they do have such information on my ancestor.
>
> While my Spanish isn't that great, I think the letter says that it authorizes me to see the actual records in Mexico city, and take a digital photo of them, but not a photocopy because they are too delicate. Did anyone else get a response like this? While I'm excited about this new potential source of information because I thought the trail on my Pineda line had gone cold, I'm not really in a position to fly to Mexico city just to look at these documents. Any suggestions?
>
> In case anyone else is interested, the person in question is named Pedro Pineda, my great-great grandfather in or near Tlaltenango, Zacatecas; he was born about 1851. I think the letter says he was a major in the Mexican military. Thanks!
>
> Chris Pineda, MPP, JD
>
>
>

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I think its "Padre no conocidos" which means the son of uknown people....it is possible he was fromsomewhere else where the priest did not know. Did you check informacion matrimonial too?I have had some cases with this and it usually means dead end. Its also very common withnative american ancestries based on my researched in early aguascalientes films.
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Segun este libro
Aguascalientes, guía para visitar la ciudad y el estado Escrito por Alejandro Topete del Valle
Fallecido Martel, pasaron estos dos últimos solares a poder de sus padres, Luis
González y Beatriz Gallegos, quienes tenían una deuda de ...

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Accidentalmente tropese con esto.  Que probablemente ya lo tengas.
 
Martel Hernando.
The son of Pedro de Huerta and Maria Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba. His parents were residents in the juridiction of teocaltiche, Jalisco in 1603.
 
Martel Hernando.
The son of Pedro Gonzalez y Maria Frias. He married Beatriz de Villegas on 22 Oct 1634 in Aguascalientes. The witnesses were Diego Sanchez y Gabriel Lopez.
 
Martel Juana.
The daugheter of Pedro Gonzalez and Maria de Frias. She married Miguel de la Sierra on 19 Sep 1613 in Aguas..  The witnesses were Bautista Conte and Luis Gonzalez and Juan Ximenez.
 
pag. 135  del libro de Ross-Hardy  " San Gabriel Valley Families of Nueva Galicia".
 
......espero te ayude.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:

From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernando Martel, fundador de Lagos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:49 PM

Hola compañeros,

Busco información de HERNANDO MARTEL, originario de Sevilla, quien fuera regidor y alcalde ordinario de Guadalajara y fundador de Lagos. Me interesa saber quienes fueron su esposa e hijos, pero cualquier información será de utilidad. Saludos a todos y de antemano muchísimas gracias.

BILL FIGUEROA

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Parrafo 1172, pagina 219.
 
Aguascalientes, Ags. Febrero 12 de 1721.- Dispensa de tercer con cuarto grado de consanguinidad.- Juan Gonzalez, español de 27 años de edad, vecino de esta Villa de Aguascalientes en el Barrio de Triana. hijo legitimo de Salvador Gonzalez, difunto y de Catharina Ramirez; con Juana Luera, española de 22 años de edad, vecina de esta villa en dicho barrio, hija legitima de Jacinto de Luera y de Theresa *Martel*. Declaración del pretenso:  Luis Gonzalez, padre de mi padre y abuelo mío, fué hermano carnal de Hernando o Fernando Martel, bisabuelo de la contenida Juana de Luera. Se otorgo la dispensa en la Villa de Xerez, en 19 de Febrero de 1721.  12 fojas.
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Teresa Martel. En el Archivo Histórico de Aguascalientes se encuentra un documento adjunto a los fechados en 1679 que menciona a Nicolas Gutierrez y a Theresa Martel su legitima mujer quienes venden unas tierras que heredaron del padre de Theresa, Hernando Martel a el Bachiller Diego de Quijas Escalante, tierras contiguas a las de Juan Gonzalez. Archivo Histórico de Aguascalintes, Caja 78, No. 42.   Pagina 214 del libro de las Genealogias de Nochistlan. Por Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:

From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernando Martel, fundador de Lagos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:49 PM

Hola compañeros,

Busco información de HERNANDO MARTEL, originario de Sevilla, quien fuera regidor y alcalde ordinario de Guadalajara y fundador de Lagos. Me interesa saber quienes fueron su esposa e hijos, pero cualquier información será de utilidad. Saludos a todos y de antemano muchísimas gracias.

BILL FIGUEROA

Hola Bill, no se si este Hernando Martel sea el mismo del que tu estas hablando, pero en el Libro de Genealogias de Nochistlan por Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias en la pagina 214, estan los Hijos de este personaje, si acaso es el mismo.
Padres Hernando Martel y Beatriz de Villegas.
Hijos:
Miguel Martel, fue bautizado el 18 Oct 1645 en Aguascalientes y caso el 28 Feb 1673 en Aguascalientes con Mariana de Morales ( o de Acosta).
 
Maria Martel, bautizada 31 May 1648, Aguascaleintes.
 
Teresa Martel. Bautizada 23 Feb 1651.En Aguscalientes.
 
Fernando Martel. Posible hijo de este matrimonio. El 3 de Junio 1690 en Aguascalientes.
Hay mas detalles en esta misma hoja, espero que te ayude. 
celestino villalobos.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:

From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernando Martel, fundador de Lagos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:49 PM

Hola compañeros,

Busco información de HERNANDO MARTEL, originario de Sevilla, quien fuera regidor y alcalde ordinario de Guadalajara y fundador de Lagos. Me interesa saber quienes fueron su esposa e hijos, pero cualquier información será de utilidad. Saludos a todos y de antemano muchísimas gracias.

BILL FIGUEROA

En libros de
Google teclea el nombre y se encuentra el nombre de un hijo Hernando Gallegos
Espero sea Hernando Mare que Buscas
In Aguascalientes lived the marriage of Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos. She died 4 Oct 1643 and he was buried 16 Dec 1658. Don't know who were their parents. Have their children, several of whom married.
A son of theirs was Hernando Martel the only offspring that used the surname. Born c.1612, his matrimony was 22 Oct 1634 to Beatriz Macías Valadés (also named Beatriz de Retamosa and Beatriz de Villegas in some of the records), the daughter of my ancestors, Pedro Macías Valadés y Retamosa and Luisa de Villegas. Her christening was 2 Jan 1619 and her burial 8 Nov 1669-"no testó por pobre." Hernando still lived in April of 1685. Eight children (six wedded) used the surname Martel with variations, such as Martel y Retamosa, Martel de Villegas. The González from the paternal grandfather was shelved, or locked up in the trunk. They didn't revert to the Gallegos either.

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

In fact it is so.

Pioquinto Carmona and Lorenza Lopez had at least:

1. MARIA LUCIA CARMONA LOPES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 OCT 1827 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
2. APOLONIO CARMONA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 APR 1830 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
3. PRUDENCIA CARMONA LOPES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 APR 1822 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
4. JUAN NEPOMUCENO CARMONA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 MAY 1825 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Name: Juan Nepomuceno Carmona Lopez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 May 1825
Christening place: La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Birth date:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Pioquinto Carmona
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Lorenza Lopez
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name: Rafael Carmona
Paternal grandmother's name: Maria Cruz Manual
Maternal grandfather's name: Luciano Lopez
Maternal grandmother's name: Maria Guade. Ernandes
Batch number: C60269-7
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 1155174
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Miguel Beltran

Looking at the Pilot program, put in Reyes for the last name and Felis for the father's first name and enter Jalisco, Mexico in the location field

I found a Paula and the same parents have another daughter married to a Mariano Romo
Hmmmmmm? I would suspect this might be the right family. But it needs further research

Groom's name: Estevan Silva
Groom's birthdate: 1839
Groom's age in years: 36
Bride's name: Paula Reyes
Bride's birthdate: 1845
Bride's age in years: 30
Marriage date: 06 Jan 1875
Residence: Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Marriage place: Encarnación De Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Groom's father's name: Antonio Silva
Groom's mother's name: Juana Landin
Father of bride's name: Felis Reyes
Mother of bride's name: Gregoria Ornelas
Bride's marital status: Widowed
Batch number: M60269-5
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 1155499
Collection: Mexico Marriages 1700-1900

Groom's name: Mariano Romo
Bride's name: Leocadia Reyes
Marriage date: 05 Nov 1863
Residence: Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Marriage place: Encarnación De Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Groom's father's name: Felis Romo
Groom's mother's name: Leocadia Oliva
Father of bride's name: Felis De Reyes
Mother of bride's name: Gregoria Orneles
Batch number: M60269-5
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 1155499
Collection: Mexico Marriages 1700-1900

Rose
Fresno

Nora Cossyleon
I would like to write a letter to the Genealogical Society in Utah re: extracting records from Zacatecas. I think everyone needs to be proactive!

Maria,

Lo mismo nos paso con mi papa. Lo bueno fue que encontramos el partido de
bautizo. Pero por lo civil el no existe.

-Angelina-

Hola tengo Francisco y Dorotea en mis datos. Ellos se casaron 3 sep 1718. No he

investigado much en esta rama pero he tenido el sospecho que Juana de Ornelas

es hija de Geronimo de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendoza y su esposa Maria Rubio.

No lo tomos por seguidad pero es que he pensado. Al momento tengo muchos

otros proyectos que estoy llevando a cabo. Ojala que ten ayua. sABES SI ERAN

ESPANOLES? SI ESTO ES EL CASO, ES PROBLAMENTE SON LOS MISMOS. CASILLAS CABRERA

YA QUE YA ESTABAN ESTLABECIDOS EN AYOTLAN. -DANIEL

tAMBIEN TENGO ESTO

Bartolo Roman

Sex: M

Event(s):

Christening: 24 Aug 1738

Place: Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

Parents:

Father: Francisco CASILLAS

Mother: Figenia de la Cruz

Source Information:

Batch Number: C603872

Source Dates: 1698 - 1739

Film or Fiche Number: 38586

Collection Details: San Jose de Analco; Catolica

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Please forward me the Emails Daniel.. thanks!!

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From:
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:12 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Response for Zacatecas/ Jalisco Records

> Hi all, I got a reply saying we need to contact The Genealogical Society
> of Utah so we can be granted an Extraction access
> program. Costa Rica and Peru were granted where instead of only viewing
> images we can extrct then the record can be searched using a search bar
> instead of searching page by page, would make genealogy a lot faster. We
> as Nuestros Ranchos
> need to write up a letter if we even want to be considered, I know one
> person wont make the cut. Does anyone want to oversee this whole thing? I
> can forward you the email.
> -Daniel Mendez Camino

Daniel - do you know what would be involved in overseeing this project? I'm considering it but I want to get a better idea of the commitment needed before I agree to take on such a project.

-Angelina-

I feel the exact same way as Raquel!

Thank You!

Sofia

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Hi prima,
I hope this email finds you and your family well. I just found out that my
great tia Juaquina Gutierrez (Maiden) sister of Norberto Gutierrez died in
So Cal. Do you know where I can find her obit and picture? I searched the
San Diego Obits but could not find it. I'm not sure what her married name
was or her surviving family names. Thanks in advance!
Rosa

thanks for your intro and your participation in the group. I'm at a
disadvantage since I'm not an Alteño, but then again I do have a
Miramontes GGGGG grandmother from the Tlaltenango area (not Los Altos).
I thought that Steven Hernandez said that the Miramontes were originally
Alteños. Well I'm probably mistaken. I wrote to welcome you to the group
and to leave you in the hands of the Strong SIG group within the
Nuestros Ranchos group that are from Los Altos.

joseph

Jose Humberto Suarez wrote:

>Hello:
>
>I´m José Humberto Suárez Villarreal. I´ve been doing some research on my family, for almost 10 years or so I focused mainly in my maternal side (Villarreal De La Fuente Zertuche Rodríguez - from Nuevo León and Coahuila). But a couple of years ago I started with my paternal lines (Orozco, Moreno). Later I found interesting links of this families with the "Familias Alteñas" that were in Nueva Galicia since the times of colonization.
>
>I will be posting the info I´ve got, although its not much because I mainly go just directly to my ancestors without having discovered much about the colateral branches of the family. But of what I have seen in this last week in this website there is tons of information that just need some analysis to be linked.
>
>I recently went to Lagos de Moreno and to La Union de San Antonio to visit for the first time my paternal grandfather´s birthplace. It was a wonderfull trip in which all the time I imagined my ancestors walking the same streets alongside a church or a downtown plaza.
>
>My grandfather José Suárez Orozco who was born in 1918 in La Unión de San Antonio (still living), was one of the 75 grandchildren of José Ignacio Orozco González "Papa Nacho" and of Zenaida Moreno Gómez. The aunts, uncles and cousins or our family has mainly focused in the descendants of this couple, we are a reallly big family, but I have always been curious about the ancestors of earlier centuries. The parents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were: José Ramón Tello de Orozco y González Rubio from San Miguel El Alto and María Josefa González del Castillo y Ortiz de Parada. José Ignacio was born in La Hacienda La Sandía, Adobes (Unión de San Antonio), Jalisco. He married Zenaida in la Parroquia del Señor de la Misericordia, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, México and she was born in Hacienda La Tuna Alta, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, her parents were Juan de Diós Moreno y Maldonado and María Higinia Gómez de Portugal y González.
>
>The grandparents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were:
>José Ignacio Tello de Orozco y Gutiérrez de Mendoza and Rita González Rubio y Márquez.
>Fermín González del Castillo y González de Rubalcava and Francisca Ortíz de Parada y González de Rubalcava.
>José Antonio Melquiades Moreno (de Ortega) y Moreno and María Manuela Maldonado y Moreno.
>José María Gómez de Portugal Hermosillo and María Ana González Moreno.
>
>The great grandparents of José Igancio and Zenaida were:
>José Luis Tello de Orozco y Jiménez de Castro and María Rosa (Francisca?) Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Gutiérrez.
>Juan de Diós González Rubio and Mariana Márques

ThNKA for this great resource! I have found several family members already! A notableone were the Aguilar Solorzano family who settled Aguascalientes, who are from Colima.
-Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:24:31 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andariegos y Pobladores de Nueva Galicia y Nueva Espana
>
> José Miguel Romero de Solís of the Colegio de Colima has published a seminal work with biographies of the earliest settlers of the town of Colima in the 16th Century. The biographies are compilations of primary source materials found in the Colima Archive. The book is available online at:
>
> http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf
>
> From the book I have been able to compile three generations of ancestry of Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, who was married to Maria de Esquivel. The couple lived in Tlaltenango at the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th centuries and, mainly through their daughter Cecilia Lopez, are one of the principal early Spanish families from which people in the region descend.
>
> ==ESPANOL==
> José Miguel Romero de Solís del Colegio de Colima ha publicado un trabajo seminal con las biografías de los primeros pobladores de la Villa de Colima en el siglo 16. Las biografías son compilaciones de materiales de fuentes primarias que se encuentran en el Archivo de Colima. El libro está disponible en línea en:
>
> http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf
>
> A traves del libro he podido recopilar tres generaciones de antepasados de Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, quien fue marido de María de Esquivel. La pareja vivía en Tlaltenango al final del siglo 16 y comienzo del siglo 17 y, sobre todo a través de su hija Cecilia López, fueron una de las principales familias españoles de la region de las cuales descienden innumerables personas de la región.

Thank you natalie---great site, and also the one she links to: http://www.teenageglutster.blogspot.com/

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: nc_coleman@yahoo.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Culture

This is more culture related that genealogy related - but la familia is about culture lived in the past and transmitted through the generations. And a lot of family culture has been passed around the dinner table.
I came across this mention of food in Zacatecas - I hope you enjoy reading it.

http://tazadechocolate.blogspot.com/2010/01/family-jewels.html

natalie, in VA

PS - do you have a favorite recipe or dish that was passed down from your immigrant Zacatecas ancestor?

Hola Jose , I went to Familytreemaker and tried to find Pablo Alvarez Tostado posted line,but nothing . I am computer illiterate. I too have Alvarez tostado.

Ronnie Reynoso

: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:14:33 -0600
> From: delatorrefamilytree@gmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 47, Issue 11
>
> Hi Daniel,
> Thanks for the tip! My grandmother was born in Aguascalientes, AGS but it
> turns out she is descended from the Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado line! I found a
> genealogy tree for the Alvarez Tostado line posted on familytreemaker.com,
> by Pablo Alvarez Tostado. He even had my father and all my aunts and uncles
> listed there!
> Jose
>
>
> > -----------------------------------
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:34:48 -0800
> > From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> > To: Patty Hoyos
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] introduction - de la Torre-Berumen
> > Uribarren
> > Message-ID:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the Group!
> >
> >
> >
> > You stated My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
> > who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
> > grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
> > research.
> >
> >
> >
> > Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado.
> >
> >
> >
> > Was your grandma from Los Altos de Jalisco? Alvarez y Tostado
> >
> > is a family in Los Altos: you might want to start on this line?
> >
> > This family has been researched extensivly, You could probably
> >
> > easily trace it back to its patriatch Lorenzo.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Daniel
> >
> >
> >