Nuestros Ranchos Site

I have the following limited information regarding these two names. My grandfather, Manuel Chavez (DOB 2 June 1904)is the son of Enrique Chavez and Genobeba Romero. Enrique's parents are Jacinto Chavez and Guadalupe Ruiz Esparza. All I have for Guadalupe is Father Ruiz and Mother Esparza. Enrique was born in 1868 and died in 1960. He lived and was laid to rest in Gomez Palacios which is in Durango. I have a photo of Guadalupe with her son Enrique.

Zacatecas is close to Durango, but it may be a stretch.
Henry Chavez

Arturo,

Is it a requirement that you be an LDS member? If it is, this would most likely exclude many of us.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:30:06 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexico Projects Upcoming on FamilySearchIndexing.com

I just received a message from the manager of Indexing Operations of FamilySearchIndexing in Salt Lake City and he has informed me that they have Mexico projects on their docket for the online indexing project they have started.

I have asked him for more information and will try to keep abreast of when the projects go online and notify the group. I know that there are several members that have already done some indexing, but for those who have not and think this might be a worthwhile project for which to volunteer, please go to:

htttp://www.familysearchindexing.com

You can download the software and try indexing some census pages to give the system a trial run in preparation for the Mexico project. It would be great if we as a group could make a significant contribution to a project like this.

Hi Elvira ,

I´ll try and see what I can find out and send it to you , wish me luck .

Welester
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> Hello, Mr. Alvarado.
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> Yes, I am interested in Concepcion del Oro, especially in Cienega de Rocamontes, Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas.
> I am interested in finding information about the Evoras, Eboras, Evora, Ebora, d'Ebora, d'Evora family from Cienega de Rocamontes, Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas.
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> Thanks for whatever you can find out or put me in touch with.
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Angel,

Unfortunately, Jaime Holcombe passed away in 1995. He published a few
articles and exchanged letters with other genealogists, but didn't publish
any books. Earlier this year, members of his family in Mexico informed
someone in the group their intention to publish a book he left unfinished,
but no firm date was announced. Hopefully it will have some information on
the Cervantes Negrete.

BILL FIGUEROA

I don't see a name on this posting, who are you and what family lines are you researching in Jerez?

I went to Jerez in 2003, I found it almost impossible to get records, they were understaffed and had no copy machine at the church or the civil office.  I actually found the records on familysearch and not in Jerez.  I did get to see and visit the places the records taught me abt and enjoyed every minute of the trip.  I took a small notebook because I found lots of family names but could not connect them because I did not have my laptop with me.  I did take photo's I had collected and was able to give them to people from those families. I took notes every day because it's impossible to remember everything.  We found the bus systems to be wonderful.  We flew into Guadalajara and traveled by bus to the different towns in Jalisco where my Mothers family were from, Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman then on to Tamazula and then to Zacatecas City and then on to Jerez with visits to some smaller cities like El Durazno where my Castanon/Caldera family is
from.

You will love every minute of your trip but remember it's a different country with different traditions and customs.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, jcdl1944@hotmail.com wrote:

From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:41 PM

In the spring 2010 (after Easter) I'm going to my ancestors' birthland.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good way to plan this?

Hello - I did the same thing 5 years ago and I took my mom with me. What a wonderful trip it was. We went to Ayo El Chico and Atotonilco El Alto. Prior to that my mom had never been to Mexico as she was born in Anaheim California.
1. Take a video camera and videotape the towns and churches you are researching.
2. Take a camera also so you can take plenty of photos.
3. If you are driving yourself and if you can, use GPS. You could also use a Guia Roji
4. Take copies of your records with you for reference.
Other people might have ideas that I haven't mentioned.
Good Luck and have a great trip!
Yolanda

________________________________
From: "jcdl1944@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 8:41:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.

In the spring 2010 (after Easter) I'm going to my ancestors' birthland. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good way to plan this?

Yolanda,

My condolences. I lost my mother too from ovarian cancer in 1987 at age 84, and I still miss her. There is nothing better than a good mother. Try to remember her at her best and happiest, and not how she was at the end. I am sure she had a good 83 years.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: SiemprePIMA@sutv.com
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Carmen Jauregui Passing

I wanted to let people that are related to me that my mother Carmen Jauregui passed away yesterday. She fought hard again Cancer. But it won.
Carmen is the daughter of Pedro and Maria Jauregui. Pedro is the son of Rosalio and Pomposa.

It's sad we only have two Aunt left of the Jauregui family. My Aunt live in Santa Ana, and Los Angles. We live in Kansas. It will be hard not to have them near. But our love for out Aunt will be sent to them always.

We come from a great father with wonderful closeness. My mother was 83 years old.

Sorry I didn't mean to ramble. I miss my mother so much and she has only been gone one day.

Yolanda Ks

Mary Lou Caraveo

My deepest sympathy for your mother, I am sure she was a special person in your life and the fact that you miss her so much as of yesterday tells me that you both had a great relationship. I find that very heartwarming. May God help day by day to enlighted all the positive times in your life with your very special person.

Yolanda and family, I was sorry to hear of this dear loss of your
courageous mother RIP. I stand with you as a sister loosing our mothers
to this disease and several of my dear friends who are fighting this
battle now. May your heart feel peace as prayers come your way.

Susan in San Francisco area
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Dear Yolanda,
My sincerest condolences go out to you. Know that you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Alice B. Blake

--- SiemprePIMA@sutv.com wrote:

From: SiemprePIMA@sutv.com
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Carmen Jauregui Passing
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:52:15 -0700 (PDT)

I wanted to let people that are related to me that my mother Carmen Jauregui passed away yesterday. She fought hard again Cancer. But it won.
Carmen is the daughter of Pedro and Maria Jauregui. Pedro is the son of Rosalio and Pomposa.

It's sad we only have two Aunt left of the Jauregui family. My Aunt live in Santa Ana, and Los Angles. We live in Kansas. It will be hard not to have them near. But our love for out Aunt will be sent to them always.

We come from a great father with wonderful closeness. My mother was 83 years old.

Sorry I didn't mean to ramble. I miss my mother so much and she has only been gone one day.

Yolanda Ks

I am so sorry for your loss, my prayers go out to you and your family and I'm sure the good memories will help sustain you through this time.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, SiemprePIMA@sutv.com wrote:

From: SiemprePIMA@sutv.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Carmen Jauregui Passing
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:52 AM

I wanted to let people that are related to me that my mother Carmen Jauregui passed away yesterday.  She fought hard again Cancer. But it won.  Carmen is the daughter of Pedro and Maria Jauregui.  Pedro is the son of Rosalio and Pomposa. 
It's sad we only have two Aunt left of the Jauregui family.  My Aunt live in Santa Ana, and Los Angles. We live in Kansas. It will be hard not to have them near. But our love for out Aunt will be sent to them always.

We come from a great father with wonderful closeness. My mother was 83 years old.

Sorry I didn't mean to ramble. I miss my mother so much and she has only been gone one day.

Yolanda   Ks

Hello Patty, I'm also interested.

------Original Message------
From: JOSE AGUAYO
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio de Aguayo Testamento
Sent: Sep 28, 2009 4:21 PM

This posting is intended for Patty Haro. I misplaced your e-mail address, so I couldn't communicate with you directly. I am just wondering if you have completed your recent investigations in the Mexican National Archives and whether or not you were able to find Antonio de Aguayo's Last Will and Testament.

Jose Aguayo

Hello Patty, I'm also interested.

------Original Message------
From: JOSE AGUAYO
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio de Aguayo Testamento
Sent: Sep 28, 2009 4:21 PM

This posting is intended for Patty Haro. I misplaced your e-mail address, so I couldn't communicate with you directly. I am just wondering if you have completed your recent investigations in the Mexican National Archives and whether or not you were able to find Antonio de Aguayo's Last Will and Testament.

Jose Aguayo

mulatto means half white and half black.
espanol could be mean peninsular or criollo there wasnttwo much of a difference in terms for espanol. Its justpeninsular means borb in the peninsula.

Fourth means they were third cousins.
Espanol was used as white, we know that there were portuguese, irish, germans, italians english etc in Colonial Mexico, and all would have been listed as espanol regardless of european origin. Espanol (which means of Spanish descent) would be used as equivalent to Caucasian today.
-Daniel
_________________________________________________________________

Rosie:

Yes, a mulato would normally be the child of an español and a negra, though in latter years of the colony, the term came to mean many different mixes of black and European, which were earlier known as:

1. De Español y d'India; Mestisa
2. De español y Mestiza, Castiza
3. De Español y Castiza, Español
4. De Español y Negra, Mulata
5. De Español y Mulata; Morisca
6. De Español y Morisca; Albina
7. De Español y Albina; Torna atrás
8. De Español y Torna atrás; Tente en el aire
9. De Negro y d'India, China cambuja.
10. De Chino cambujo y d'India; Loba
11. De Lobo y d'India, Albarazado
12. De Albarazado y Mestiza, Barcino
13 De Indio y Barcina; Zambuigua
14. De Castizo y Mestiza; Chamizo
15. De Mestizo y d'India; Coyote
16. Indios gentiles (Heathen Indians)

As far as the term "español" in these certificates, it merely means that the person was of European descent, not necessarily born in Spain and in latter years, it could actually be someone who was of mixed race but appeared to be of European descent as the caste system seemed to be less accurate over time. Someone who was born in Spain would be referred to as "peninsular" or specifically "de los Reinos de Castilla" or whatever other country they were from and such a person would require a special permit to marry since it had to be ascertained that they were not married in their country of origin. You will definitely know when you stumble upon such a non-Mexico born ancestor.

Hello Leticia

Here is the other information I have found on your family. SOrry there are no photos.....not everyone was photographed, when crossing the border.

Name: Juan Leon
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1935
Age: 53
Birth Date: abt 1882
Birthplace: Jesus Maria
Birth Country: Mexico
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Mexican (Latino)
Port of Arrival: Nogales, Arizona, USA
Accompanied By: Wife Enedina Felix Leon; Child Juan Jr.; Child Salvador; Child Miguel; Child Hernando; Child Enrique; Child Josefina; Child Ruben
Departure Contact: Brother Nicolas Leon
Arrival Contact: Friend Gregorio Lopez
Record has photo?: No

Name: Salvador Leon
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1935
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1913
Birthplace: Jano Maria (Jesus Maria, Jalisco)
Birth Country: Mexico
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Mexican (Latino)
Port of Arrival: Nogales, Arizona, USA
Accompanied By: Father Juan Leon
Departure Contact: Uncle Nicolan Leon (Nicolas Leon)
Arrival Contact: Friend Guyoier Lopez (Gregorio Lopez)
Record has photo?: No

Name: Enrique Leon
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1935
Age: 11
Birth Date: abt 1924
Birthplace: Santa Maria (Santa Maria, CA)
Birth Country: USA
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Mexican (Latino)
Port of Arrival: Nogales, Arizona, USA
Accompanied By: Father Juan Leon
Record has photo?: No

Name: Ruben Leon
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1935
Age: 7
Birth Date: abt 1928
Birthplace: Santa Maria (Santa Maria, CA)
Birth Country: USA
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Mexican (Latino)
Port of Arrival: Nogales, Arizona, USA
Accompanied By: Father Juan Leon
Record has photo?: No

Name: Fernando Leon
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1935
Age: 14
Birth Date: abt 1921
Birthplace: Vintman (Ventura, CA)
Birth Country: USA
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Mexican (Latino)
Port of Arrival: Nogales, Arizona, USA
Accompanied By: Father Juan Leon
Record has photo?: No

Rose
Fresno, CA

Esperanza,
Another source you may want to consider is Social Security Administration
(SSA). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm I would love
it if you would share your findings with all of us.
Rosa

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
KanakaLele@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:36 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17

Hi Esperanza,
It took about 2 months for Los Angeles County to get back to me with an
official death certificate for my great grandmother who died in 1929. It
was
frustrating in that there was no birth date and her birth year was given by
her son who was unsure. Review your documents carefully as it may give
you clues to other sources of information. The mortuary my family used is

still in business today and they were kind and helpful. They gave me the
service date, burial date and place as well as the name of the church (who
I
have yet to contact). Also, if your family was/is Catholic the Los Angeles

Archdiocese web site is helpful. If you knew their address at the time
(from family members or census records) you may be able to figure out what
parish they attended and then you can review their records. Good luck!
Sherri Mora-Bass

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:48:41 -0600
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <118443767.20090922184841@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: TERI ROMERO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <768902.55599.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt
had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being
sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and

even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also,

my sister did die but probably from something else!

Teri Romero

________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Esperanza,
Another source you may want to consider is Social Security Administration
(SSA). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm I would love
it if you would share your findings with all of us.
Rosa

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
KanakaLele@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:36 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17

Hi Esperanza,
It took about 2 months for Los Angeles County to get back to me with an
official death certificate for my great grandmother who died in 1929. It
was
frustrating in that there was no birth date and her birth year was given by
her son who was unsure. Review your documents carefully as it may give
you clues to other sources of information. The mortuary my family used is

still in business today and they were kind and helpful. They gave me the
service date, burial date and place as well as the name of the church (who
I
have yet to contact). Also, if your family was/is Catholic the Los Angeles

Archdiocese web site is helpful. If you knew their address at the time
(from family members or census records) you may be able to figure out what
parish they attended and then you can review their records. Good luck!
Sherri Mora-Bass

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4. Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (epallana@sonic.net)
5. Re: Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (y b)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:48:41 -0600
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <118443767.20090922184841@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: TERI ROMERO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <768902.55599.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt
had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being
sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and

even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also,

my sister did die but probably from something else!

Teri Romero

________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Does anytone know if Oropeza is a common name in Aguascalientes for specific in Calvillo? I have and Oropeza thats ends ca. 1800. And it gets cold. -Daniel
_________________________________________________________________

for Nestor date I not found his cristening date eighter, but if you check in Eugenio's date cristening at pilot familysearch you will see the grandparents is the first file I sent to you18 nov 1840 San Jose Calvillo Aguascalientes.. it was the attachment or my e-mail at your personal adress.. Lety

>
> I have the marriage information for Encarnacion Calvillo Oropeza and Ysidora Ramires (6 Feb. 1840) but have not found his christening date. Would like some help regarding this search. Thank you. Noe B. Calvillo

Maria:

You are going to have to order the film from a family history center since whomever extracted the records did not list the grandparents' names in the children's baptism records nor the parents' names in the marriage records.

You should get in the habit of reading the actual records regardless (even when the information is online). You will be surprised how often the information is transcribed incorrectly or better yet how much more information there is in the actual record, such as padrino's names, short tidbits of information about the people, etc. which will not be in the extractions online.

Maria, I also had the same situation. I went to Advance Search....then entered the batch
number in Vital Records...and was able to
secure the information.
Hope this works for you...

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

From: maria.cortes@trin.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:33 AM

Need help with Pilot Search.

Family History Center "Under Pilot Search"  I am searching for Andres Tinajero and Macsimiana Huerta.  when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose Evaristo Tinajero" his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are the parents which is good however....it does not lists Andres parents.  Then I go to Family History and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it brings up a list of people but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull up.  Shouldn't they pull up.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Here is the info I got from Pilot Search.  please help

Record Info.

Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
Male
Nov 7 1844
San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
Andres Tinajero
Macsimiana Huerta
C04152-5
Mexico-Easy
644385

The record in the film indicated often sometimes list the Paternal and
Maternal Grand Parents so you need to always look at the film for additional
information. You can also find notes in the margins that might lead you to
more sources.

When the extraction took place from whence the data comes from often the
Grand parents names were omitted even though they were on the record.

Good luck Maria,

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:33 AM, wrote:

> Need help with Pilot Search.
>
> Family History Center "Under Pilot Search" I am searching for Andres
> Tinajero and Macsimiana Huerta. when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose
> Evaristo Tinajero" his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are
> the parents which is good however....it does not lists Andres parents. Then
> I go to Family History and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it
> brings up a list of people but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull
> up. Shouldn't they pull up.
>
> Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
>
> Here is the info I got from Pilot Search. please help
>
> Record Info.
>
> Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
> Male
> Nov 7 1844
> San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
> Andres Tinajero
> Macsimiana Huerta
> C04152-5
> Mexico-Easy
> 644385
>

What is your grandfathers full name and the names of both his parents, as well as his siblings that you know of? And do you know what part of Los Angeles they lived?

Keep up the good work

________________________________
From: "epallana@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:25:30 AM
Subject: [NuestrosRanchos] LosAngeles Birth & Death: Torres

Hello All,
I have reached a road block with some of my research. I cannot find a birth record for my grandfather or the death record for his mother. The family story is that shortly after my grandfather was born in LosAngeles County in April 1926, his mother (Francisca Garcia) passed away August 1926. We do not know what from.

We have no records for her (death) or for him (birth). We do not know at this point where our great grandmother is even buried. There are confused records in the LDS. A member appears to have submitted incorrect data and the trail is lost until we find documentation tracing back to the correct location in Mexico. I do have a church marriage record for her but it has very little info on it.

For my grandfather, I've located one record of birth for a sibling born before him in L.A. by midwife. But he was not ever able to get his own.

I've made requests to the LosAngeles County and am also waiting to hear back from the state. Does anyone have any tips for how else I might find a lead? Is there a reason why records from 1926 in L.A. might be spotty?

Thank you,
Esperanza

If you want Eugenio's grandparents, have you looked at the actual record on Labs? I doubt he was an only child this was very rare, a lot of people had many children during these years. Keep looking through the baptisms, the 1800s arent complete records on familydearch it usually tends to be the 1600s that are well documented and the early families. -Daniel

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Are there any libraries close to Ledesma, that would have newspapers archived on microfilm?

Rose
Fresno

Maria is the daughter of JACINTO Ruiz de Esparza AND JUANA lOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Original Message ----- Jacinto de son of Lope mother Francisca Gabay
From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] María Ruiz de Esparza

I am trying to figuer out who this María was

María Ruiz de Esparza
Nicolás González
22 Dec 1659 (se velaron 27 Nov 1660).in Aguas.

The time frame makes her a grandaughter of Lope I Ruiz de Esparza. There are a handful of María Esparza during the early Aguas period, does anyone know any info on this couple? It could be andrés' daughter but there isnt any proof. I need to look into it more. any help? -Daniel

I noticed the Tlaxcala civil records were available at the Pilot site, which means they are not listing each states records in alpha order. I sent an email at the family search pilot site under "feedback" asking them when they would be making Jalisco and Zacatecas records available. I did not receive a response. I'm thinking that if enough people e-mail them asking the same question under "feedback", they will see there is a large interest in these records and we could possibly have access to them sooner.

Rose
Fresno

Where was it uploaded to? I couldn't find it.

Armando

Nadams que este esta casado con Catalina Lopez de Portugal
Jaime Holcombe
María García de Arrona, his widow, still lived on 2 July 1652, when she was the Godmother of a grandchild that was baptized. She was about 80 years old. Don't have her death record.
The heirs are listed in the order in which I imagine that they became additions to the family:
1. Catalina López de Portugal was a namesake of her paternal Grandmother, Catalina López, which is why she used that surname, followed by "de Portugal." She wed Captain Esteban de Anda Altamirano before the 1608 document, where he's listed as Diego's son-in-law. Esteban was a son of Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano and Beatriz González de Castañeda. Have five children for the couple, who reached adulthood. When a son, Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano married Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra on 28 July 1648, Catalina was deceased. Esteban lived still in 1652.

A few tips. One of Juan's first offspring was a Priest, licenciado Alejo Vidaurre aka Vidaurri. He performed the marriage, on 28 July 1648, of his sister, Catalina, to Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano. The groom's parents were Esteban de Anda Altamirano and Catalina López de Portugal. The mother was deceased. A child of the wedded couple, Luis, was baptized on 7 September 1653 and the "padrinos" were "Alejo Vidaurri y Luisa de Saavedra, su madre."

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Nadams que este esta casado con Catalina Lopez de Portugal
Jaime Holcombe
María García de Arrona, his widow, still lived on 2 July 1652, when she was the Godmother of a grandchild that was baptized. She was about 80 years old. Don't have her death record.
The heirs are listed in the order in which I imagine that they became additions to the family:
1. Catalina López de Portugal was a namesake of her paternal Grandmother, Catalina López, which is why she used that surname, followed by "de Portugal." She wed Captain Esteban de Anda Altamirano before the 1608 document, where he's listed as Diego's son-in-law. Esteban was a son of Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano and Beatriz González de Castañeda. Have five children for the couple, who reached adulthood. When a son, Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano married Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra on 28 July 1648, Catalina was deceased. Esteban lived still in 1652.

A few tips. One of Juan's first offspring was a Priest, licenciado Alejo Vidaurre aka Vidaurri. He performed the marriage, on 28 July 1648, of his sister, Catalina, to Captain Pedro de Anda Altamirano. The groom's parents were Esteban de Anda Altamirano and Catalina López de Portugal. The mother was deceased. A child of the wedded couple, Luis, was baptized on 7 September 1653 and the "padrinos" were "Alejo Vidaurri y Luisa de Saavedra, su madre."

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES