Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hi Emilie,

If you can contact the family that would be great.

Carlos Yturralde

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
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----- Original Message -----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: cyturralde@cox.net
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.


Hi, Carlos,

I have contacted Jaime's son in Mexico City, and so has Arturo, our webmaster. The son also is supposedly a member of this group. The son told me he is going to publish his father's last project that he was working on when he died, but that he and his siblings are not interested in genealogy to the extent that their father was, and they are tied down earning a living. What was sad to hear was that his father's papers are all molding and bug-ridden in a storage room in his wife's house somewhere. I will try and find that e-mail address I had for the son, I think his name is Jaime also, and send it to you later.

Thanks much,

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: cyturralde@cox.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros. I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions. He pass on before he could get back with me. If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia > wrote:
> I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>

Jaime

Luis de Avila and Clara de Amaia had three children that I have been able to document so far (which I would expect you also know):

Josepha, who you mentioned, who married 26 Apr 1643, Phelipe Ortiz (Aguascalientes film 299421, image 272)
Maria, who married 11 Mar 1646 (velados 10 Aug 1646), Pablo de Montes de Oca Sanches (same film, images 283 and 284)
Nicolas, who married 6 Feb 1647, Getrudis de Luebana (same film, image 286).

All three of these records name all the parents.

I have not researched further on descendants Josepha de Avila and Phelipe Ortiz.

I have seen some posted genealogies that place Luis de Avila (who married Cathalina de Grijalva) in this family also, but I do not have documentation of this.

In my review of the Informacion Matrimonial, there is an entry for Juan Ramires, son of Phelipe Ortis and Josepha de Avila, and Maria Garcia (also names first wife, Luisa Ruis de Esparza). See the volume for 1678/81, image 137 (16 Feb 1676. I did not find amarriage for them in Aguascalientes.

There is also an entry for Catalina Ortiz, daughter of Juan Ortiz and Luisa Ruis de Esparza, and Salvador Gonzales (9 Aug 1687). (1676/1710, image 134). This film is currently off-line, so I cannot verify the record. I checked my hand-written notes, and it says Juan not Phelipe, but it should be verified.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Jose florencio Romero Viyagrana hijo de Julian Romero y Geronima Viyagrana (nace 26 feb 1825 Huejucar) tambien hermano de Juan Jose de la Trinidad Romero Viyagrana

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Nicolas Flores hijo de Damasa Carrillo Frutos ( hija de Leonardo Carrillo y Carmen frutos B: 15 dec 1855) y de Bruno Flores ( hijo de Rafael Flores y Maria Luz Zesati casados el 28 sep 1861 film 0445147 batch M602986)

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Gorgonio Haro Villegas (13 sep 1858) Huejucar hijo de Francisco de Haro y Dolores Villegas (quienes de casan el 28 nov 1857) y hermano de Maria Leonarda de Haro Villegas ( 7 nov 1860) Huejucar

Francisco de Haro es J´se Francisco Roman de Haro Flores hijo de Navor de Haro y Maria ana Flores aveces cono Anita Flores nace 13 mar 1825 huejucar, tambien hermano de Jose Domingo Haro Flores ( B:15 may 1832) y de Fulgencio (14 mar 1830)

> Gorgonio ( Gregorio así aparece en algunos registros) de Haro married Maria Vicenta Romero M: 21 sep 1883 huejucar, jalisco , she born 19 jun 1868 daugther of (Florencio Romero y Maria del Refugio Santiago casados el 26 nov 1853 ) Vicenta es hermana de Eulalio Romero Santiago nace 17 feb 1862 Batch C606011
>
> they are also parents of Ma. Leonides Haro Romero (b:15 aug 1884)
>
> Ma. Felix de Haro Romero ( 27 nov 1888) film 115201
>
> Felipe Haro Romero 01 jun 1886 film 445097 and 1158201 everybogy in Huejucar
>

Lety Reynoso

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your Haro side:

Gorgonio ( Gregorio) de Haro married Maria Vicenta Romero M: 21 sep 1883 huejucar, jalisco , she born 19 jun 1868 daugther of (Florencio Romero y Maria de Santiago)

they are also parents of Ma. Leonides Haro Romero (b:15 aug 1884)

Ma. Felix de Haro Romero ( 27 nov 1888) film 115201

Felipe Haro Romero 01 jun 1886 film 445097 and 1158201 everybogy in Huejucar
Lety Reynoso

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Los registros de Parras de la fuente de la iglesia catolica
santa Maria de las Parras y
Santa Maria
se encuentran en linea los libros
solo se ncesita ubicar el año y el libro sale
esta es la direccion http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1502401;t=brows…

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One step closer to the answer to this question... there is documentation showing that Spanish women crossed the Atlantic to Hispaniola (Santo Domingo) as early as 1497, perhaps as early as 1494:

El propio Cristóbal Colón, en la Carta de Relación del segundo viaje, dice que entregó un niño indígena «a una muger que de Castilla acá benía» (Antonio Rumeu de Armas, Manuscrito del Libro Copiador de Colón, Madrid, ed. del autor, 1989, p. 450.)

By 1497 there were a large number of spanish women in Hispaniola:

En un documento fechado 1497 Ávila aparecen trescientos de los más de seiscientos pasajeros que participaron en el segundo viaje colombino y, entre ellos, figuran mujeres como María de Granada y las comerciantes Catalina Vázquez y Catalina Rodríguez. (General de Simancas, Sección Contaduría Mayor de Cuentas, Primera Época, Legajo 98)

Los Reyes Católicos autorizaron al almirante a llevar trescientos hombres y treinta mujeres en su siguiente travesía (1497-98). Entre esas treinat mujeres estaban Catalina de Sevilla (mujer de Pedro de Salamanca), Gracia de Segovia (prostituta) y
Catalina y María de Egipto (dos gitanas acusadas de homicidio). (Real Cédula de 23 de abril de 1497 y Amadeo Julián, Bancos, ingenios y esclavos en la época colonial, Santo Domingo, Editora del Hogar, 1997, p. 65)

Geronimo de Aguilar was a Franciscan friar, and while shipwrecked and captured by the Maya in the Yucatan in 1511, he did not father any children (at least not any that he would admit to since that would prove that he had broken his vows of chastity).

He was shipwrecked with Gonzalo Guerrero, who bacame a war leader for Nachan Kaan, married a rich Maya woman and fathered Mexico's first three mestizo children sometime in the 1510s.

When Cortes sent a message to ask Aguilar and Guerrero to join him in his conquest of Mexico in 1519, Aguilar went, but Guerrero told Aguilar:

"Hermano Aguilar, yo soy casado y tengo tres hijos. Tienenme por cacique y capitán, cuando hay guerras, la cara tengo labrada, y horadadas las orejas. ¿Que dirán de mi esos españoles, si me ven ir de este modo? Idos vos con la bendición de Dios, que ya veis que estos mis hijitos son bonitos, y dadme por vida vuestra de esas cuentas verdes que traeis, para darles, y diré, que mis hermanos me las envían de mi tierra."

He later led the Maya in campaigns against Cortes and his lieutenants like Pedro de Alvarado and the Panamanian governor Pedrarias. One of Alvarado's orders in his Honduras campaign was to capture Guerrero and he supposedly died in 1536 near Chetumal.

There is a statue of him and his mestizo children in Quintana Roo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Guerrero

If my history is correct and I think 99.9 will be, but without checking my sources I have to say that there was contact with the Mayas from three sailors that were marooned of the coast of Yucatan, they procreated children becoming the first mestizos in the Americas.
(Just as soon as I can I will do some research and let every one know the names of those soldiers.) It might have  been Jeronimo de Aguilar.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, conrique1@earthlink.net wrote:

From: conrique1@earthlink.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] First Mexican Criollo
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:06 PM

Estimados Colisteros,

On this day in 1587, Virginia Day became the first child of English parents to be born on American soil in what is now Roanoke Island in the State of North Carolina.

Is it known when the first descendant of Spanish parents was born in what is now Mexico?   ... and who that child was?

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

The first child of Spanish parents born in the Americas was likely in Hispaniola (Dominican Republic), where the Spanish had permanent colonies since 1496. I am not very familiar with the microhistory of Santo Domingo from that era to figure out who exactly it might have been but I would be willing to bet a criollo was born there before a child of Hernan Cortes was born in the 1520s.

The first Spaniard to be born in America "In the sense of all America not USA" was don Luís Cortés y Hermosillo, child of Hernán Cortés and doña Elvira de Hermosillo, relative of the Hermosillos of Los altos. Not sure how though? I was always told this, I guess we have another task on the plate.

-Daniel

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Trata de localizar el informe Matrimonial de Tus ancestros en los fil de la iglesia mormona de dos a 6 meses antes del matrimonio, y en los municipios que esten cercanos de la Barca
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Joseph:

To add information to the GEDCOM database all you need to do is request that a tree be set up for you on the database. Then you should be able to either upload a GEDCOM file that you have created in some other software (you can use the free PAF software) or simply use the database as your genealogy repository and manually enter data directly into the database on the website. This is explained in an email that all members get when they first use the GEDCOM database.

As for viewing other members Word file attachments, Microsoft gas a free Word viewer you can download that allows you to view but nit create or edit Word files.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657ce88-7cfa-…

The Open Office software that was mentioned is another option. It is free as long as you download it as opposed to order a disk.

I do not know how to contribute to the GEDCOM section, so that's a question for someone else.

However, I do know that files that are in Microsoft Word format can be opened by Open Office, which can be downloaded free at OpenOffice.org

-Patti

----- Original Message ----
> From: "jcdl1944@hotmail.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:27:10 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NuestrosRanchos GEDCOM and FILES
>
> OK, I've almost given up on this GEDCOM "thingee". Although I can read them (as
> a guest); how can I be a contributor on it. PLEASE don't tell me I have to buy
> different software. My Family Tree software is fully capable to convert to
> GEDCOM files at a mouse-click.
>
> In addition, I cannot read other people's FILES because I don't have MicroSoft
> Word; please don't tell me I have to buy it for a few hundred bucks.
>
> Access should be avaiable to ALL NuestrosRanchos members. Are you reading this,
> Primo Joseph Puentes?

. HERMINIA AURORA ARIAS ESPINOSA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1873 La Asuncion, Pachuca De Soto, Hidalgo, Mexico hija de Jesus Arias y Benita espinosa o Spinola

Faustino Reynoso Casado con Maria Maciel el 14 Jun 1875 en Santa Catarina Martir México D:F M619075 film 003634 (no tengo padres de ambos)

Jose Carlos samuel Contreras 05 aug 1900 Tequipehua D.F. Batch I014600 film 36490

Juan Alfonso Contreras arias. 24 jun 1899 Asunsion Parish Pachuca de Soto Hidalgo batch I028839 film 266527 sui mamá es Herminia y su papa es Juan E Contreras pero

no tengo a sus abuelos.. busco a los papas de Juan E Contreras y los abuelos de Herminia Aurora

alguien que tenga la manera de ver quienes eran los abuelos? alguien que vaya por los films o algo? estaré agradecida siempre candil de la calle oscuridad de mi casa apenas son mis abuelos y de los 4 lados de tres lados no tengo nada snif, snif, snif...

Muchas Gracias... Lety Reynoso

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Gracias Salvador,

Saludos, Daniel

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Es que de Vicente ya no encontré nada más por eso ya no te contesté, a mi no me es posible ver los archivos directamente, sólo através del familysearch..sino hay que ir al archivo..saludos Lety R

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Es una pregunta o afirmación?

Are you asking a question or are you making a statement? I am interested in
Petronila de Moctezuma, like many in this forum.

Thank you.
John Gonzalez.

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From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:53
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Achivo General de la Nacion

> ALguien ya pudo ver el contenido de las dos coincidencias de Petronila
> Motezuma que estan en Regio Patronato Indiano
>

I did not know that they had already loaded digital images onto the AGN website. When I was there a couple of years back I was told that they were in the midst of a digitiaztion project but you know how those things go, particularly in Mexico, but I agree with Salvador that the tool works very well...

Just pilfering through there I found a "limpieza de sangre" of this couple which I believe are the ancestors of many Ranchos members. Unfortunately it is not one of the documents for which the digital image has been loaded on the site.

Archivo General de la Nación/ Instituciones Coloniales/ Inquisición/ Inquisición (61)/ Volumen 491/

Título: Expediente 2
Fecha(s): AÑO 1627
Nivel de descripción: Unidad documental compuesta (Expediente)
Volumen y soporte: Fojas: 72
Productores: (Pendiente)

Alcance y contenido: INFORMACION DE LA GENEALOGIA Y LIMPIEZA DE LINAJE DE FRANCISCO MARTIN GALLARDO Y TERESA DE RODAS, SU MUJER, PARA FAMILIAR. GUANAJUATO.

Hola Salvador:

Estoy interesado en esa pagina sobre los Batchs de Jerez Zacatecas especialmente antes del año de 1700.

Serias tan amable en proporcionarmela. Y tambien si sabes algun batch sobre la Ciudad de Zacatecas de antes de 1700.

De antemano muchas gracias.

Jose Luis Felix

Perris CA.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: cabval@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:42:10 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] barch Jerez Zacatecas
>
> me encontre una pagina que habla sobre los Batch de Jerez Zacatecas
> que tiene nuestros ranchos y son poquitos, yo encontre los que no tienen letras y en esa pagina solo tienen uno yo tengo como 20

Alice,

"Preb." or better yet "Pbro." is an abreviation used for "Presbítero"
meaning "Sacerdote" or "Cura". As a "padrino" he did not need to be told
what his spiritual obligation was because he knew it well.

Bill Figueroa

que yo sepa quiere decir Presbitero o sacerdote

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Estimado Jorge:
 

Estimado Jorge:
 
Si, efectivamente coincido contigo en que aunque hay trabajos y árboles genealógicos sobre al familia Ybarra que se desarrollaron a principios y mediados del siglo XX, no hemos llegado al soporte documental sobre muchos de los hechos citados en ellos.
 
Estuve este fin de semana en San Juan y un tio me comentó que platicó por telefono con el CP Chavez Aranda que es de Encarnación pero vive en Guadalajara y que ya tiene más datos fidedignos sobre la rama de la familia Ybarra. Quedó mi tío de pasarme los datos del Cp Chávez para contactarlo.
Desafortunadamente no puedo viajar en este momento, pero en Noviembre próximo, Rick Rodriguez y tu servidor tenemos planeado visitar diferentes fuentes de información sobre los Ybarra y los Camarena.
 
En cuanto tenga algun dato mas concreto, de inmediato te lo hago saber.
 
Saludos cordiales,
 
Juan José Ramírez Ibarra
--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:

From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Ibarra de San Juan de los Lagos.
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 3:38 PM

Gracias Juan José, sabría que tu ibas a contestarme el mensaje. Si, muchas veces se ha dicho eso pero en que se basan para decir que descendemos de Miguel Ibarra, ese es el problema, que no encuentro docuemto alguno que lo demuestre.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Hola Jorge, gusto en saludarte:
 
De la información que he podido recabar, investigadores de San Juan, Union de San Antonio y Encarnación que estudiaron a principios y mediados del siglo XX la rama de los Ibarra o Ybarra que se asentaron en los altos de jalisco, coinciden en que descendemos de Miguel de Ybarra. Tengo informacion desde Nicolas de Ybarra como primer Ybarra que se estableció en San Juan de los Lagos. Puedes ver mi información en Nuestros Ranchos.
 
Saludos,
 
Juan José Ramírez Ibarra

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:

From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Ibarra de San Juan de los Lagos.
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:23 AM

Hola amigos, mucho se ha dicho que los Ibarra de San Juan de los Lagos descienden del conquistador Diego de Ibarra o de su hermano Miguel de Ibarra, pero no si es verdad dicha suposición. El último Ibarra que tengo registrado de mis ancestros Ibarra originarios de San Juan de los Lagos es a Juan de Ibarra casado con Gertrudis de Siqueiros o López de Siqueiros, padres de Nicolás de Ibarra, casado en Guadalajara el 20 de febrero de 1694 con Isabel Enríquez del Castillo. No se de quien es hija Isabel, pero me imagino que es descendiente de Hernando Enríquez del Castillo y Mariana Díaz de Pangua.

En una ocasión escuché que Juan de Ibarra y Gertrudis de Siqueiros eran vecinos de Culiacán, Sinaloa; pero que era difícil seguir la investigación en dicho pueblo que porque los registros parroquiales estaban muy dañados por el paso de los años, la humedad y no se cuantos factores.

¿Alguno de ustedes tiene alguna pista de quienes fueron los padres de Juan de Ibarra, Gertrudis de Siqueiros e Isabel Enríquez del Castillo?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Son los que tengo,
pero un Truco, cuando encuentre uno de Mazapil o de concepcion el oro, juege con los numeros , por ejemplo K600714 le cambia el ultimo numero o soa, tambien la letra, y salen asi los consegi yo

1745-1750
K600714
J600714
1750-1762
K600715
J600715
1762-1771
C600716
1770-1776
K600717
J600717
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Lo siento, no poder ayudarla
pero me comentaron, no me acuerdo bien , pero los batch de Zacatecas,Jalisco, y Aguascalientes se encuentran aqui en el foro, no se si en la seccion de archivos o en la seccion de rollos,
disculpas
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Ricardo,

When will you be in Salt Lake?

Jonathan

Good morning, Rick...

I recently searched a microfilm at our local LDS Family Center and I was
able to download images onto a USB flash-drive by using one of their viewers
that was connected to a PC running windows and their software...

Most likely you should be able to do this in Salt Lake City also...

Sincerely,

Gilbert Keas...
Researching: Rodriquez, Aguilera, Vidaurri & Yniquez in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]On
Behalf Of Rick Rodriguez
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:11 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

...

I would also like to ask anyone knows if it’s now possible to download data
to a USB thumb drive or to any other format. All info and suggestions are
appreciated.

...

Ricardo:

Candy's suggestion about knowing what films you will be looking at ahead of time is a great piece of advice. If you notify them a week ahead of time of the dates of your visit and the numbers of any films that are listed as VAULT instead of FHL in the film catalog, they will get them to the library for you. Wonderful service.

You should definitely take a USB thumb drive. You can also burn CDs from the scanner computers. There are very good digital scanners on every floor and you can book them for only an hour at a time so it is good idea to mark up everything you want to scan ahead of time (put little slips of paper in the film as you view it to keep track of where your record is). You can also jump from floor to floor if you want more time on the machine.

There is a restaurant that is decent in the Plaza Hotel just next door to the library where you can get a decent lunch, but the hotel is just so so. It used to be better but the cleanliness and service was bad last time I went in March of 2007. There are a number of other hotels just down S West Temple about five blocks away on the 500 to 600 block.

Look up Pilar Manriquez, who I believe is still a volunteer at the library. She is originally from Mexicali and is very amicable. She knows many of us Rancheros. I believe there are also a number of other Ranchos members who live in or around Salt Lake City.

If you like Thai food, this is one of the better places I found to eat near the library:

Lemon Grass Thai Cuisine
327 W 200 S
Salt Lake City, UT 84101-4207
Phone: (801) 596-1778

Sometimes the films a person wants are not located in the library. The patron has to fill out a rrequest to have them transferred. Sometime this can take 2 or 3 days.

It is best if you go through the Family History Library catalog before you leave so you can decide films you want to see. You can make a list and then fax or mail it to the library. If there is a series of films (even if you don't think that you will all of them), it's best to get them all. Give them your arrival date so the films will be there when you want to start using them.

> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:11:01 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> I want to ask everyone in this group if they have visited the LDS Family
> Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. I am planning to go this month and since
> this is my first time, I need some tips and advice so I don’t feel lost
> there.
>
> I would also like to ask anyone knows if it’s now possible to download data
> to a USB thumb drive or to any other format. All info and suggestions are
> appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hola a todos,
>
>
>
> Quisiera preguntarles a todos los del grupo que si han visitado el Centro
> Familiar LDS en Salt Lake City, Utah. Estoy planeando ir este mes y como es
> mi primera vez, necesito tips y consejos para no sentirme perdido.
>
> Tambien quisiera preguntar si alguien sabe si ya se pueden descargar
> información a una memoria USB o algún otro formato. Toda información y
> sugerencias es muy agradecida.
>
>
>
>
>
> Su primo y servidor,
>
> Ricardo Rodriguez
>
> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
>

Rick,

Here is a link to lots of info about visiting the FHC in Salt Lake. Hope you have at least a week. There is lots to see and do there, and they have great restaurants. Downtown in undergoing a lot of new construction.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/slc.htm

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Hello everyone,

I want to ask everyone in this group if they have visited the LDS Family
Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. I am planning to go this month and since
this is my first time, I need some tips and advice so I don't feel lost
there.

I would also like to ask anyone knows if it's now possible to download data
to a USB thumb drive or to any other format. All info and suggestions are
appreciated.

Hola a todos,

Quisiera preguntarles a todos los del grupo que si han visitado el Centro
Familiar LDS en Salt Lake City, Utah. Estoy planeando ir este mes y como es
mi primera vez, necesito tips y consejos para no sentirme perdido.

Tambien quisiera preguntar si alguien sabe si ya se pueden descargar
información a una memoria USB o algún otro formato. Toda información y
sugerencias es muy agradecida.

Su primo y servidor,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

I have not been there Ricky.

Rick Rodriguez wrote: Hello everyone,

I want to ask everyone in this group if they have visited the LDS Family
Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. I am planning to go this month and since
this is my first time, I need some tips and advice so I don’t feel lost
there.

I would also like to ask anyone knows if it’s now possible to download data
to a USB thumb drive or to any other format. All info and suggestions are
appreciated.

Hola a todos,

Quisiera preguntarles a todos los del grupo que si han visitado el Centro
Familiar LDS en Salt Lake City, Utah. Estoy planeando ir este mes y como es
mi primera vez, necesito tips y consejos para no sentirme perdido.

Tambien quisiera preguntar si alguien sabe si ya se pueden descargar
información a una memoria USB o algún otro formato. Toda información y
sugerencias es muy agradecida.

Su primo y servidor,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

George,

The cross or plus sign in early records of Aguascalientes is merely a check
mark to indicate whether the person was "español" and not of mixed race.
The explanation is noted in one of the first record books, I don't remember
which one. The cross was used for several years, until the priest or his
assistant started noting the race or caste as "espl." "indio" "mestizo"
"negro" "mulato" etc. In some baptismal records the priest wrote "que dicen
ser español", probably because the color of the child's skin indicated
otherwise, but in general the priest knew his parishioners and probably
their racial background. I have no doubt that some errors were made, but in
general the markings are accurate.

Bill Figueroa

Salvadorc,
I am very much interested in some of the information you have just posted. My grandmother was Juventina Luna, the daughter of Francisco Luna and Dolores Marquez. She (Juventina) married Matilde Mejia Huerta (or perhaps Matilde Huerta Mejia). However, I can find no information on Matilde, his marriage or his birth. Do you have any additional information on these individuals? Thank you.
Eric Mejia

Ester Genaro Villarroel nace el 13 jul 1869 C603593 film 0280865 en Ocotlan hijo de Antonio Villarroel y Maria Lopez, casados ( Antonio y Maria el 07 agosto 1850) Ocotlan...M603599 film 0280897 at u correo personal te mande los links que me han mandado Tomas y Paty sobre el tema mi suegro está emparentado con esta familia

hermanos de tu Antonio hijos de Genaro son además Maria Guadalupe 31 mar 1908

Maria Merced 25 jul 1898, Ocotlan sigo aqui buscando.. Lety reynoso un beso, sigo muy agradecida porque me hayas encontrado mis cabrera..nada mas buscas esta Rama de los Villarroel o lo que me mandaste es todo lo que tienes? saludos

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