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Hi Sofia,

I sell both of the Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. How many do you need?

Rick

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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Sofia
Enviado el: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:41 AM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos books/libros

Hello Everyone............especially my new found primos :)

I have been looking like crazy for "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia" por Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal and "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y los Altos de Jalisco" por Professor Martha Duron Jimenez.
Are they not in print anymore?

Thank you for any help in advance!

Sofia

Hola Jorge Luís, Bernardina debería ser nieto de don Álvaro de Ornellas y la doña Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, ya que el apellido comenzó en 1623. -Daniel

Realmente no he escuchado de ésta Bernardina?

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Hello Irma, I was not aware of the reunion 4 years ago, maybe this group got the idea from that one. I understand the one last year was quite large over 500 people
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Gutierrada

I've heard of La Gutierrada, and wonder if it's the same one that was
held about 4 years ago in Jalos? I knew of a couple that attended. The
husband is also a descendant of Jose Sotero & Ma de Jesus Romo--they are
his 2nd G Grandparents, but I recall that it was held in Jalos that
time. Does the locale change? Since you say it's the 2nd, then their's
must have been a smaller Gtz reunion, but they referred to it in the
same manner. My dad's Gonzalada also has a reunion in Ags. during the
Summer months.
Ricci, you must also be a relative of mine, however more distant than
you are to Miggy? Jose Sotero was brother to my G Grandmother, Tomasa
Gtz. Santo Toribio, was my father's 3rd cousin--distant too.
Irma Gomez Gtz

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:23:21 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunions 2009 -
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Last year , the same day August 2, 2008 in Guadalajara there was the
first reunion known as the Gutierrada. The families of the Jose Sotero
Gutierrez and Maria de Jesus Romo from el Rancho de la Escondida near
Jalostotitlan had a successful reunion. By coincidence I believe they
are planning their second reunion this year also the same day August 2,
2009 .

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Hola a todos!

Busco a los padres de:

Antonio Navarro (y los de) casado con Ana Gertrudis Villarruel el 29 Nov 1751 en Ocotlán Jalisco, su familia radicó en Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco

los de Jose Manuel Franco (y los de) casado con Salvadora Jesús Ramirez cerca de 1771 en tepatitlán, Jalisco

los de Rafael Peres casado (y los de) con Teresa Acevez en atotonilco, padres de Maria Apolonia Peres de Acevez esposa de José Manuel Sisto Navarro Franco (m:13 jul 1825) y los de

Marciano Gonzalez (y los de) casado con Guadalupe Mendes padres de Pragedis Gonzalez Mendes, casada con Vicente Navarro Peres éstos últimos padres de Leonardo Navarro gonzalez nacido el 6 Nov 1846 en el ayo el chico, Jalisco

Gracias por su ayuda, Leticia Reynoso

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Welester,

I still don't know who the parents of Alvaro Carrillo were but I'm working on it. Here is some of the information I found so far:

On page 94 of his book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" Guillermo Garmendia Leal states that Ana Alvarez de Sandi, wife of Hernan Flores de la Torre, was the daughter of Alvaro Carrillo and Maria Alvarez de Sandi. He also says that María Alvarez de Sandi was the daughter of Capt. Lorenzo Alvarez, "uno de los conquistadores deste reyno." I also found the record for the wedding of Capt. Lorenzo Alvarez and Agustina de Viera, which took place at the catholic church in Santa Maria de los Lagos March 4, 1585. You can find the record in LDS Film #0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 and 1605-1638 Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México.

What puzzles me is that in his final will and testament, filed in Juchipila on 12 October 1645, Hernan Flores declared "Soy casado con Ana de Sandi, hija legitima de Alvaro Carrillo de Sandi, natural de la villa de los Lagos". This statement can be found on page 91 of Garmendia Leal's book.

It seems to me that the correct name for Alvaro Carrillo should be Alvaro Carrillo de Sandi, and that the correct name for his wife should be Maria Alvarez de Viera. I have found many records of people with the compounded surname Carrillo-de-Sandi, including Maria Carrillo de Sandi, born ca. 1600 and married to Juan Marin de Peñaloza from Teocaltiche. And as far as María Alvarez is concerned, she had a brother named Juan Alvarez y Viera who married Beatriz Tostado. They are the originators of the well known Alvarez-Tostado surname from Teocaltiche.

Do you have any information to clear up the name?

Bill Figueroa

Jaime/Richard

Maria y Antonia Yssazi son dos hermanas que se casaron el mismo dia. Inclusive se encuentra casi toda la informacion en la misma pagina 221512, Tomo 1, pagina 32. Solo hay un poco de informacion del matrimonio de Antonia que se encuentra en la siguiente pagina. Les voy a mandar las photos que tome por correo electronico.

I'll look them up tomorrow. A couple of days ago I came across a somewhat similar situation. The marriage was recorded twice within a few records of the first. The only difference was the change in the witnesses, testigos. Someone must have arrived late to the marriage, gotten upset. In your case maybe someone wrote the wrong name and had to re-write the information. I guess we will see, do not assume.

Thanks, Jaime. I didn't think it was Italian. There were very few Italians in Mexico at that time, but lots of Basques.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)

Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.

Jaime

Alessandro,Steve
Gracias por compartir su tiempo y la informacion del censo. Mira mi abuelo pateno se llamaba Paulino, pero hasta alli termina mi rama de los Sevillas,pues no si comose llamo mi bisaabuelo, Exequia Morgutia fue la esposa de Paulino, de ella tengo mas informacion. Mis abuelos maternos fueron Jose Apodaca y Florencia Ocampo y de ellos tambien tengo informacion.

Steve, no se si pudiste abrir el adjunto con las fotos que te mande.

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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Steve Apodaca and Francisco Sevilla....... news
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> Thank you for the information about Mr. Mariano´s Book.
> Wish the best for him and a good recovering since the
> surgery.
>
>
>
> Steve y Francisco:
>
>
>
> Les mandio un caluroso saludo desde Vallarta y les comento
> lo siguiente.... En estos dias he estado revisando todas las
> paginas del Censo de Poblacion de Mexico de 1930,
> especificamente de Santa Catarina, y me encontre ahi unos
> Sevilla y unos Apodaca. Fue inevitable recordarlos a ustedes
> claro, y además, vi unos de apellido MORGUITA. No recuerdo
> quien de los dos estaba buscando a esta familia (creo que
> Francisco si mal no recuerdo) y segun yo guarde las paginas
> para mandarselas a ustedes. pero cuando cerre el programa
> trate de ver los archivos que guarde con esa informacion y
> resulto que no son compatibles. Tengo que buscar la manera
> de poderselos mandar y que los vean si estan interesados.
> Solo necesito saber si les interesa tenerlos o si ya los
> vieron o ya los tienen.
>
>
>
> Ahi mismo, en el censo, estuve sacando MUCHOS de mis
> antepasados por los Toscano principalemente. Ya termine de
> revisar los documentos de Santa Catarina y voy a comenzar en
> estos dias a ver los de Zacoalco (son 208 paginas) de los
> cuales sacaré miles de datos lo mas seguro. Si necesitan o
> les puedo ayudar en algo solo diganmelo por favor.
>
>
>
> Estamos en contacto, por favor no se pierdan y escriban
> pronto.
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> LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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Alice,
Wikipidia has a good summary of the historical and current usage of Don and Dona n several countries, go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_(honorific)
Today, in many Latin American countries the usage is diverse, but most commonly as a sign of respect to elders, clients, or on the basis of socioeconomic or intellectual status. This usage as you will read in Wikipedia, the usage was restricted to nobility. In many records, you will that both male or female would be referred to as Don and Dona, but only when they actually were entitled to the honorific by descent.

Hope this is useful

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "AliceBB"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, alicebb@netscape.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:46:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes

Hello All, Thought I'd put this out again. I got no response the first time and since I'm relatively new to genealogy, I was hoping that someone could shed some light on this. I come across these prefixes so often, I'd like to know who was entitled to use them. Thanks again, Alice BB

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:31:37 -0800

Good Evening Group: Could someone please explain the 19th Century or "modern" criteria as to how one acquired, maintained, or lost the "Don" and/or "Dona" prefix? Thanks so much, Alice BB

--- rricci@lausd.net wrote:

From: "Ricci, Richard"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:49 -0800

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From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Marge Vallazza
Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 12:53 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons

That same sort of stuff is on the Sagrada Mitra book because it's in
the official record, so no big deal in those cases. In those days,
lots of people couldn't read so they didn't have the privelege of
trumpeting all the juicy gossip everywhere. We call one person in
this area around here "Channel 5" because like the tv station, she's
the first in "Breaking News." And I think it would be a great idea to
write the documented stories on NR, if Josef permits. Marge:)

On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:

Hi Alicia and Richard! I agree with Alicia, I have found out so many
'interesting stories' (scandals, hatred, love stories, murders,
betrayals) Maybe I can post some on Ranchos one day. MY goodness it
sounds like novela on "el catorce." But really if its something really
bad, I still want to know its part of who you are and your family
history. Like one would be my cuarto bisabuelo don Estevan López had
an affair with a younger women Gorgonia de Mendoza and had two kids.
Apparently only some certain confidants he had knew about it, one was
his son-in-law's two brothers Viviano and Manuel del Camino. And some
others. his wife didnot find out until these two kids were about 12 or
so. By then he Estevan had long been dead when his two hijos naturales
were 6 and 7. Lets say Estevan wasnt the faithfulest man on the
hacienda! On there records baptisms ( they have the last name López
but "de padre no conocido" y Gorgonia de Mendoza" Everyone knew he was
the father except his wife and his other family. THe list goes on of
escándolos. Thought I just share this part of Alteño history in my
family. -Daniel

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Alessandro, in the past, somebody in the group, mention that Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal was making a new edition that is going to have 8 or 10 books, and that their were going to be finish, the end of november or the begining of december 2008.
I am interested in buy it, I only have Vol I and Vol II.
I ask like you.
Does anyone know is the new edition is ready?
Thanks

También debes tener en cuenta si se casó o fue madre soltera, ya que si pudo haber tenido hijos, pero sin casar y a la hora de morir en el acta asentaban que era soltera, lo se porque tengo un caso así.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Definitivamente decirle a una viuda soltera no es lo normal segun los registros que he estado investigando, los registros parroquiales son muy claros en ese aspecto, siempre el termino Viuda o Viudo se ponia claro en los registros parroquiales para designar a quien ya habai perdido a su conyuge, y esto se nota claramente en los registros de las personas que volvian a contraer matrimonio o cuando registraban la muerte de un hijo.
A si que investiga muy bien tus registros para que quede todo claro, saludos.

Jaime yo dije que don es una abreviación de las palabras de origen noble.

Si los romanos llamaban a los propietarios dueños es otra cosa, no le busque las etimologías, ese es el origen del término.

Usted es libre de pensar lo que guste.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:20:14 +0000
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña
>
> Perdoneme Rodolfo pero la etimologia de Don , NO es de las siglas De Origen Noble. De acuerdo al Diccionario de la Real Academia Española, viene de el Latin dominus (proprietario o señor). De acuerdo con la Enciclopedia Britanica, en la epoca romana se utilizaba dominus para el dueño de propriedad y esclavos. Fue de echo el emperador Diocleciano (284 to 305 DC) el primero en utilizarlo y sus sucesores fueron conocidos como dominate ( dominatus ).
>
> Ahora, estoy de acuerdo que su uso original era reservado para el trato de aquellas personas de noble origen, independientemente del titulo nobilario que ostentaban. Tambien estoy de acuerdo que el uso actual en ciertos contextos aun es reservado para referir a personas de abolengo, independientemente de su abuso. De echo en Argentina se usa como equivalente de fulano.
>
> Respetuosamente
>
> Jaime Alvarado
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez"
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:16:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña
>
>
> Perdón pero estan en un error.
>
>
>
> Don y Doña son el trato que reciben aún hoy en día las personas de abolengo sin importar la edad, lo mismo un niño recién nacido que una anciana de 100 años.
>
> El trato de Don y Doña sólo se les dá a personas que pertenecen a la realeza, la alta, media y ba´ja nobleza y a sus descendientes hasta en la tercera generación, a personas que pertenecen a órdenes militares o on cargos en el gobierno real y que el Rey les otorga un escudo de armas.
>
>
>
> Esto pasó en el virreinato y aún en el siglo XIX en México y casi toda Latinoamérica.
>
>
>
> Los indios nobles también recibian el trato de Don y tenian pribilegios de español como el uso de caballos, casa a la española, uso de armas, caminar por las banquetas, uso de carruajes, etc.
>
>
>
> El uso de don y doña se extendió como una manera de respeto o trato especial, de tal modo que hoy en día en México cualquier pelado es Don o Doñita.
>
>
>
> Don es la abreviación de 3 palabras. Significa: De Origen Noble. DON.
>
>
>
> Para poder usar ese título era necesario ser de origen noble y contar con blasónes o escudo de armas.
>
>
>
> Recordemos que los títulos te los dan los demás. Es totalmente incorrecto referirse a uno mismo cono "soy el señor ...." o "atentamente: Don..... ", o "soy el Licenciado fulano de tal" .... eso va contra cualquier protocolo.
>
>
>
> En México algunas instituciones sobre todo las religiosas se referían a Don o Doña ya sólo a las personas con poder económico sin importar la genealogía, Don y Doña son títulos para distinguir a la gente entre nobles y plabeyos, en las Repúblicas el uso de los títulos esta prohibido, se cambió por el de Ciudadano.
>
>
>
> Espero les haya servido la información.
>
>
>
> Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:23:59 -0800
> > From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña
> >
> > Alice,
> > In today's time it's still used, the Don y Doña. In our family it's a form of respect or for the eleders. Don Jose, Doña Maria etc. Now that we are older the younger generation sometimes refers to us as Don Juan or Doña Alicia.
> >
> > Many people don't use it and some of us who are old fashioned still do.
> > I suppose that for archival records it was influential people who were addressed in this manner, people with money, those who were in public office and the elders.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Alicia,
> > San Jose, Calif
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: AliceBB
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@netscape.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:46:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes
> >
> > Hello All, Thought I'd put this out again. I got no response the first time and since I'm relatively new to genealogy, I was hoping that someone could shed some light on this. I come across these prefixes so often, I'd like to know who was entitled to use them. Thanks again, Alice BB
> >
> > --- alicebb@netscape.com wrote:
> >
> > From: AliceBB
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Prefixes
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:31:37 -0800
> >
> > Good Evening Group: Could someone please explain the 19th Century or "modern" criteria as to how one acquired, maintained, or lost the "Don" and/or "Dona" prefix? Thanks so much, Alice BB
> >
> > --- rricci@lausd.net wrote:
> >
> > From: "Ricci, Richard"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:49 -0800
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Marge Vallazza
> > Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 12:53 PM
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
> >
> >
> >
> > That same sort of stuff is on the Sagrada Mitra book because it's in
> > the official record, so no big deal in those cases. In those days,
> > lots of people couldn't read so they didn't have the privelege of
> > trumpeting all the juicy gossip everywhere. We call one person in
> > this area around here "Channel 5" because like the tv station, she's
> > the first in "Breaking News." And I think it would be a great idea to
> > write the documented stories on NR, if Josef permits. Marge:)
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alicia and Richard! I agree with Alicia, I have found out so many
> > 'interesting stories' (scandals, hatred, love stories, murders,
> > betrayals) Maybe I can post some on Ranchos one day. MY goodness it
> > sounds like novela on "el catorce." But really if its something really
> > bad, I still want to know its part of who you are and your family
> > history. Like one would be my cuarto bisabuelo don Estevan López had
> > an affair with a younger women Gorgonia de Mendoza and had two kids.
> > Apparently only some certain confidants he had knew about it, one was
> > his son-in-law's two brothers Viviano and Manuel del Camino. And some
> > others. his wife didnot find out until these two kids were about 12 or
> > so. By then he Estevan had long been dead when his two hijos naturales
> > were 6 and 7. Lets say Estevan wasnt the faithfulest man on the
> > hacienda! On there records baptisms ( they have the last name López
> > but "de padre no conocido" y Gorgonia de Mendoza" Everyone knew he was
> > the father except his wife and his other family. THe list goes on of
> > escándolos. Thought I just share this part of Alteño history in my
> > family. -Daniel
> >
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Hello Luis,
As I previously mentioned I've only researched 2 years 1857/1858 on the Aguas, Aguas. pilot site--entry by entry--and I've come across so many last names I've never heard of before, and my mother is from there. Including an entry 10/22/1858 that reads: "en la Calle de la Carcel: hijo legmo. de D.Amacio Martel y Da. Dolly Levy!" Anyway, don't despair. I've been searching for about two years now with no luck locating/connecting my Onate's, Santelice's, Balderrama's, and Candelas, all from the Zacs, Aguas, and Jalisco areas. All very illustrous names, but no connections. Buena suerte, Alice BB

I'm interested how you found this out because I'm in the same situation with my dead end ancestor, Jorge JAIME (de Xaime) "Espanol, nacido de padres no conocidos." I assume that someone knew who his parents were in El Puesto de San Miguel DE LOS ALBA because he's clearly labeled an "Espanol" and also given a (somewhat rare) surname, which doesn't exist in Ags. in that time period when he was baptized...

thanks,
Luis

Luis Jaime

Daniel,

On one of your posts you said
"On there records baptisms ( they have the last name López but "de padre no conocido" y Gorgonia de Mendoza" Everyone knew he was the father except his wife and his other family. THe list goes on of escándolos. Thought I just share this part of Alteño history in my family. -Daniel"

I'm interested how you found this out because I'm in the same situation with my dead end ancestor, Jorge JAIME (de Xaime) "Espanol, nacido de padres no conocidos." I assume that someone knew who his parents were in El Puesto de San Miguel DE LOS ALBA because he's clearly labeled an "Espanol" and also given a (somewhat rare) surname, which doesn't exist in Ags. in that time period when he was baptized...

thanks,
Luis

Luis Jaime

 With knowledge comes responsibility. I personally have chosen to be quiet about things learned that would affect family members who are still living. My information is not gathered to cause pain or split families. The things I've learned from the records of the past are another story, those I will report accurately. I have heard more than once that is was not uncommon for the men of Mexico to have more than one family or to have a family plus a "carida". My Father told me on his vist to Jerez in 1936 his elderly uncle took him to meet his "carida" and told Dad as long as she knew her place and it was never put to his wife and he could afford to support both so it was acceptable. His marriage had been arranged as many were in old Mexico. His marriage was more of a partnership so you wonder if this was the way to find love in those days. I don't think it would have been allowed for women but for the men it seemed to happen many times. I did try
to find the children of this relationship but don't know her name and have to assume the children wer of "father unknown. The secrets that would cause pain to those still living will stay secret for my life time but will be in my records for future generations. Rape, incest, murder and intrigue happen in the best of families.Linda in Everett

I am fairly new to this group but really appreciate how much I have
learned already. I enjoyed reading people's reasons why they are doing
their family genealogy. I am doing my own because of the skeletons in our
closest and the weird inaccuracies that have formed because of secrets. By
now family members don't know how they are related, where we come from
(other than just Mexico), and why. We have nearly lost the important
stories of our family. This is of particular importance to me as I have
pursued graduate education. My education has been at times uncomfortable
for family members. I have one family member that likes to say "we come
from people with dirt floors" as a reminder that we were not meant for
much. A very sad message to pass on.

In doing genealogy I have in fact learned that I had family members that
were university educated (one was a lawyer) and were able to enjoy
luxuries. None of these families had dirt floors when they were in Mexico.
It was only when they came to the U.S. during the revolution that they had
to start from nothing. Some succeeded. Some did not.

Knowing where I come from and that I am not swimming upstream but rather
carrying forward the pride and integrity of a successful hard working
family has been deeply meaningful for me.

-Esperanza

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Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: R.A.Ricci
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco ? Suazo

Can somebody read the attached marriage recording and figure out what the middle name is?

George,

Thomas Alejo de Villalpando married twice:

1. María de Vargas (aka María de Heredia) on 7 Oct 1677 in Aguascalientes. They had four children, all baptized at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes:

i. Antonio chr. 07 Oct 1682 baptized when he was1 month old.
ii. Maria chr. 25 Apr 1684 (22 days old)
iii. Maria (second with that name) chr. 5 Dec 1685
iv. Thomas chr. 29 Mar 1687

María de Vargas died 18 Mar 1687 of childbirth complications, 11 days before the baptism of her fourth child. Thomas de Villalpando remarried three years later at Parroquia de la Asunción.

2. María Ruiz de Esparza (aka María Sotelo, aka María de Jaén) on 12 Mar 1690. She was the daughter of Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza and Elena Sotelo de Jaén, and the great-granddaughter of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabai. Thomas de Villalpando and María de Jaén had the following six children:

i. Juan Manuel chr. 27 Dec 1690
ii. María Theresa chr. 10 May 1693
iii. María Antonia chr. 04 Apr 1695
iv. Juan Antonio chr. 23 Aug 1701
v. María de la Salud chr. 22 Mar 1704
vi. Francisco Antonio m. Petra de la Candelaria Luévana Contreras 8 Jul 1729 at Ntra. Sra. de Belén, Asientos, Ags.
vii. Felipa m. Andrés Macías 3 May 1718 at Ntra. Sra. de Belén, Asientos, Ags. I believe Andrés was the son of Leonardo Macías García and Juana López de Elizalde.
vii. Elena Lorenza m. Salvador de Santiago Escobar 24 Feb 1727 at Ntra. Sra de Belén, Asientos, Ags. He was the son of Juan de Santiago Escobar and Gertrudis Ruiz de Esparza.

I haven't found baptismal records for Francisco Antonio, Felipa and Elena Lorenza, but I'm still checking LDS Film 299423. Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "gpf13"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas de Villapando

Does anyone have information on the Villalpando family of Aguascalientes?

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George

Hola Bertha,

Yo tambien desciendo de los ACEVES de Tepa, originalmente de la Capilla de Guadalupe, de Don Antonio Faustino el "Amo" Aceves, fundador de la Capilla. Si hay algo en que te pueda ayudar me dices, y tambien de algunas familias NAVARRO de Tepa y Capilla.

Puedes revisar esta parte de mis ancestros en
http://miarbolfamiliar.com/familias/rodriguez-camarena/bot08.htm

Hasta luego,

Ricardo

I have found the name Lara to extensive throughout the area of Jalpas de Canovas, formerly known as Hacienda Jalpas de Canovas, Guanajuato, which at one time was owned by the Braniff family who intermarried into Mexican families. Incidentally, the same Braniff Air line family. My grandmother was a Lara from this area and my grandmother spoke affectionately of Aguascalientes. She told my father what indigenous group she belonged to but he did not remember. My research is in this area and in Arandas, Jal. and Ayotlan, Jal has been on the Cano line.

From: Jen Derby
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member-surnames Lara, Guardado in Lagos de Moreno and AguasCalientes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 4:45 PM

Hello,
 
I am doing genealogical research--my family comes primarily from the Lagos de
Moreno area with many of them being 'indios' from the Pueblo de Moya
which is now a neighborhood in present-day Lagos de Moreno. One branch of the
family then moved to Aguascalientes from the Lagos area. I've been in touch
with an historian in Lagos who believes many of the indios from Pueblo de Moya
were Tlaxcala indians from the South who helped in the conquest and I have a
little bit of info. regarding the founding of Pueblo de Moya--many who carry my
family names but I have not yet made the connection. I will be happy to share
any informaton that I have and hope to find someone researching lines similar to
mine. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17463

 
Thank you
 
Jennifer Lertwachara